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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:59 PM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders Is Making Surprising Gains With Less Affluent Whites




Bernie Sanders’s coalition once looked very familiar: He had strong support among well-educated and affluent liberal white voters of the sort who backed Barack Obama, Bill Bradley and Jerry Brown. He struggled among less affluent voters.

But his coalition has evolved over the last few months. He now fares much better among less affluent whites than Mr. Obama did eight years ago, suggesting he’s attracting a group that traditionally supports more moderate establishment candidates, someone like Hillary Clinton. If confirmed in the voting, it would vindicate his hope of building a progressive coalition based more on class than the coalitions put together by liberal predecessors.


(snip)

In a compilation of New York Times/CBS News surveys since November, Mr. Sanders leads Mrs. Clinton, 47 percent to 39 percent, among white voters who make less than $50,000. If anything, these figures may understate Mr. Sanders’s strength; he has gained in state, national and New York Times/CBS News surveys over the period.

(snip)

On the other, I assumed that Mr. Sanders’s initial weakness among black and less affluent white voters was ultimately about the same phenomenon: the longstanding tendency for idealistic liberal outsiders to underperform among less affluent, less ideological groups. This is almost certainly still a part of Mr. Sanders’s weakness among nonwhite voters, but it’s a lot harder to defend that it’s the entire explanation now that Mr. Sanders has shown as much strength as he has among less affluent white voters. And it suggests that the assumption that Mrs. Clinton will easily maintain her strength among nonwhite voters may be shakier than once thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/upshot/bernie-sanders-is-making-surprising-gains-with-less-affluent-whites.html

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Bernie Sanders Is Making Surprising Gains With Less Affluent Whites (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 2016 OP
Howard Deans guys with Confrderate flags... bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #1
This is a major reason as to why Bernie stands the best chance of defeating Trump. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #2
Do you really believe that? JRLeft Jan 2016 #3
Yes they are and will as Bernie's message takes hold and evolves. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #4
I'm talking about racists figuring out being racist effects them. JRLeft Jan 2016 #5
Yes the first barrier was in bringing class warfare against the poor and middle income to light and Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #6
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #7
I'm sorry as a black man I don't see it. JRLeft Jan 2016 #8
Here is one. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #10
I said "many" one writer isn't a lot, but I respect your opinion and his JRLeft Jan 2016 #11
Here's another video with a longer speech in front of the W.E.B. DuBois Department of Afro-American Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #12
The professor was straight on, the only thing is I don't see JRLeft Jan 2016 #14
That's Bernie's job and I believe he has already started it, beginning around the 1:50 mark and Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #16
Recommend. nt Zorra Jan 2016 #9
If Bernie isn't the nominee, Trump IS winning their support through authoritarian populism w4rma Jan 2016 #13
Those union had better remember that the last time they jwirr Jan 2016 #17
That's my belief as well, w4rma. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #19
This working class rural gun-toting redneck supports Bernie! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #15
Well ... yeah. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #18

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
1. Howard Deans guys with Confrderate flags...
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jan 2016

On their pickup trucks. And yes, I think it's a very good thing. These people will not vote for Clinton--they will vote for an FDR populist like Sanders.

This is not an endorsement of the Confrderate flag though of course some will
Claim it is.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
2. This is a major reason as to why Bernie stands the best chance of defeating Trump.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jan 2016

As less affluent whites are waking up to how racism damages them too.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
6. Yes the first barrier was in bringing class warfare against the poor and middle income to light and
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

how the people are getting screwed by the 1%.

The second part is in bringing to light how our divisions are used against us.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
8. I'm sorry as a black man I don't see it.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

Go Bernie, but I doubt you will find many black people believing that.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
10. Here is one.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jan 2016


http://www.mediaed.org/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=420

HOW RACISM HARMS WHITE AMERICANS
With John H. Bracey Jr.

Distinguished historian John H. Bracey Jr. offers a provocative analysis of the devastating economic, political, and social effects of racism on white Americans. In a departure from analyses of racism that have focused primarily on white power and privilege, Bracey trains his focus on the high price that white people, especially working class whites, have paid for more than two centuries of divisive race-based policies and attitudes. Whether he's discussing the pivotal role slavery played in the war for independence, the two million white Americans who died in a civil war fought over the question of slavery, or how business owners took advantage of the segregation of America's first labor unions and used low-wage, non-unionized black workers to undercut the bargaining power of white workers, Bracey's central point is that failing to acknowledge the centrality of race, and racism, to the American project not only minimizes the suffering of black people, but also blinds us to how white people have been harmed as well.



There is a video on the link.
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
11. I said "many" one writer isn't a lot, but I respect your opinion and his
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jan 2016

like I said Go Bernie.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
12. Here's another video with a longer speech in front of the W.E.B. DuBois Department of Afro-American
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jan 2016

studies at Umass.



Thank you and I respect you as well but my question is do you disagree with his assertions?
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
14. The professor was straight on, the only thing is I don't see
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jan 2016

evidence of racists whites understanding how being racist cost them. If they knew how many wouldn't care, because they rather live in a shack than help POC.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
16. That's Bernie's job and I believe he has already started it, beginning around the 1:50 mark and
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

specifically at the 2:13 mark, it just needs to be fleshed out more.





Peace to you, JRleft.
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
13. If Bernie isn't the nominee, Trump IS winning their support through authoritarian populism
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

Clinton would be a DISASTER of a Democratic nominee:

Unions Lean Democratic, but Donald Trump Gets Members’ Attention
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/business/donald-trump-unions.html

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. Those union had better remember that the last time they
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016

deserted the Democratic we got raygun. How easy they forget.

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