Rec If You Truly Believe Bernie Won The Iowa Caucus

[scottie55]

I am convinced he got a substantial majority of total votes, and even won their funky caucus.

[PoliticAverse]

1. I don't know, but I'd like an accurate count to find out for sure. n/t

[daleanime]

4. +1

[roguevalley]

29. The sole attendee of one saw the total reported as 1 for hrc

[CountAllVotes]

7. Yeah really, no more "coin tosses"!!

Time to ... CountAllVotes!!

[Cassiopeia]

122. Really

It's not even about who won those coin tosses, how they were done, or how they were reported.

The fact that a coin toss is involved in an election at all is fucking ridiculous.

[saidsimplesimon]

135. I agree. One man, one woman, one vote

Long ago, before the American Revolution, our nation was but an infant learning the concept of democracy. The fights in the Continental Congress, from reports written by actual participants, were an every day occurrence. They had to compromise, not as a betrayal of principle, for the greater good. It was the only way forward to achieve independence from a foreign power. We built a rocky alliance that has lasted for over 200 years.

The Constitution is a living legal document. It is not the b-i-b-l-e. As Christ said, "Render therefore that which is Caesar's unto Caesar and that which is Gods...."

[eridani]

123. ^^This^^ Sometimes it isn't possible to know for sure

If you are trying to measure 1/16 inch intervals with a ruler that only has 1/4 inch markings, you can't reqlly do it accurately.

[Bernblu]

124. They are crowd sourcing the Iowa results precinct by precinct

at http://howwillamericavote.com/static.aspx?view=iacaucus

So, far they have 225 precincts out of 1683.

It is crowd sourced so they would probably need verification but it's a start.

[berniepdx420]

126. +1

[Kip Humphrey]

2. I don't know.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. K & R! n/t

[cantbeserious]

5. No Doubt About It

eom

[scottie55]

6. I have been watching CNN and MSNBC This Morning

And the story line is she won by a slim margin.

No one will even put out there she may have actually lost, even though there are obvious problems with the tallying, and zero transparency.

Something stinks.

The press once again ignores the smell.

[CoffeeCat]

36. There is an investigation ongoing

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I don't think most people realize that before the Iowa Caucuses, Bernie's precinct captains were trained to send in their precinct results to Bernie. We were supposed to call them in or email in the numbers that were on the final delegate math sheets.

This may not have been done in every precinct. However, it was done in the majority.

That is why Sanders initially said that he wanted to see those delegate math sheets that the Precinct Chairs used to call in their official results.

Sanders has noticed--from the counts that his precinct captains sent him--that the officials counts are NOT RIGHT IN MANY PRECINCTS.

Sanders has found many discrepancies.

At first, "Andy "License Plate" McGuire refused to allow Sanders to inspect the delegate math sheets. Then, the Des Moines Register Editorial Board issued their front-page rebuke of what has happened. Do people understand the gravity of that? This wasn't just an OP-ED by one person at the Des Moines Register. This was the entire Editorial Board, in unison, declaring that something is dirty. They demanded that the Iowa Democratic Party, led by "License Plate" to allow the final results to be examined.

Precincts are turning as we speak. There have been four counts that gave Clinton one more delegate; and took one away from Bernie--revealed. There are other counts (such as Clinton 5: Bernie 4) that were really (Bernie 5; Clinton 4). The Des Moines Register has said that there are many instances of this that have been uncovered. But in the article, only one was cited.

People are working on this. This is not going to stand.

I believe Bernie was the winner too.

Unfortunately, we have to wait for all of this to sort out. But put pressure on the Iowa Democratic Party. I urge all of you to Tweet, speak out in the comment sections at the Des Moines Register and include Des Moines Register articles on your FB. I also urge you to write the Des Moines Register Editorial Board. We must keep the pressure up to resolve this, and resolve it quickly. This matters! And could make a difference!

Latest Des Moines Register Article:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/uproar-could-lead-revamping-democratic-caucuses/79910420/

Submit Letters to the Editor at the Des Moines Register to: http://static.desmoinesregister.com/submit-a-letter/

[frylock]

40. Thanks so much for your stellar reporting on this issue!

Your insight has been invaluable!

[sorechasm]

54. Thank you CoffeeCat for keeping us informed

I doubt even Hillary supporters want to start the election season with an odor that begins to smell like Florida in 2001. Your good state would not allow that to happen. Even if an accurate count shows the same overall result, the count needs to be transparent.

"When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil."~~- Thomas Jefferson

[left lowrider]

64. I just sent a letter encouraging their pursuit of this story

Please create an OP - your link makes it so easy.

[PWPippin]

70. I just wrote to the Demoines Register thanking them for demanding an examination

I further said, our democracy must be transparent and above board, that I would say this whether a Clinton or a Sanders supporter and asked them to stay on this until resolved. Thank you, CoffeeCat, for the nudge to do something and the link.

[ellennelle]

72. thx 4 ur thoughts

and for the link.

it raised the notion of changing the caucus mess to pure votes, and pointed out the longstanding tango with NH over first slot priorities.

oh. good. grief.

this is beyond ridiculous. why not switch off cycles between them? hell, why not hold all primaries on the same day?

i mean, which is more important, representing the will of the people, or sucking in all that revenue from the 'first' position?

which side are you on, tell me, which side are you on?

[Cowpunk]

75. I think it's important that Bernie Supporters continue this challenge.

In the context of the election, the numbers will not change significantly if Bernie is found to have won Iowa. However, I do believe this is more than a presidential campaign; it is a political revolution. We must make it clear that we have come to shake things up. Feathers will get ruffled. Apple carts will get upset. Shady dealings will be exposed.

[chervilant]

89. Thanks, CoffeeCat, for your activism and

support of Senator Sanders. I've submitted a LTTE, and commented on the inevitable outcome of a refusal to recount: many of us will continue to believe that something stinks, and it AIN'T yesterday's fish.

[Duval]

92. Thank you CoffeCat. I'll be glad to help however I can.

This cannot stand as it is. I'm glad you and others are working on this!

[bvf]

103. Deserves a rec all by itself. n/t

[nashville_brook]

120. wow, this is freaking amazing.

[hopemountain]

127. it is very wise to have the campaign precinct captains

call in their results to the campaign, too.
this is a good rule to follow with any vote for any contentious issue on all levels of government.

[WillyT]

131. Thank You CoffeeCat !!!

[saltpoint]

8. How about somebody in Iowa actually

providing an accurate count of the caucus totals, if that isn't too traditional.

One or the other of them won. An actual total would be nice to have.

[roguevalley]

30. Iowa chief drives a car with hrc 2016 on the plate. our chance

[saltpoint]

43. Ah. I'm guessing that's an indication

that a comprehensive analysis of the process might not be forthcoming.

[DUbeornot2be]

56. I disagree...

I believe all records will be kept and delivered to the appropriate people in the DOJ if things are too fishy.

Bernie is exactly the type or fighter we needed in 2000 and 2004. He won't leave the truth of a rigged election in the shadows but will shine a beacon on it for the good of the people.

People who think election fraud is just par for the course or that it is okay simply because people "offer" to do it are in for a real surprise under a Sanders Administration.

[saltpoint]

59. The Iowa count prompted suspicion if the

person in charge sported such a license plate.

I'm into accurate counts of actual voters.

[DUbeornot2be]

76. That is...

...all I ask, a fair count...

[saltpoint]

88. I'm on board, DUbeornot2be. eom

[MrMickeysMom]

31. See CoffeeCat's posts...

That's a pretty accurate description of the ongoing process and progress of post election outcome.

[saltpoint]

44. Mmm. Not good for democracy, as

they say.

I like the idea of an accurate vote count and a fair process. Call me old-fashioned. : )

[MrMickeysMom]

78. That is exactly what her posts explain...

I believe we all like the idea of an accurate vote count and a fair process. It isn't just old-fashioned... it's right!

[Fast Walker 52]

112. my understanding is that they don't actually tally votes during the caucuses

so how could they recount?

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie had more overall voters.

[saltpoint]

119. Yes. I realize I'm calling for a complete

rehaul of the process. I also realize I'm likely not to get one.

But it surely did look like a mess at several of those precinct sites.

[BillZBubb]

9. How can you truly believe it?

He might have. We just don't have the vote tallies so there is no way of knowing for certain. I might suspect it, but I wouldn't believe it without proof.

Anyway, that's water under the bridge.

[Ford_Prefect]

69. Is that what you thought in Florida 2000?

Anyway, that's water under the bridge.

If reasonable proofs exist then let those party members responsible show them. Otherwise it is only vaporware. This is not about what flavor ice cream you'd rather have. The Party has a real legal obligation to disprove any substantiated doubt. Otherwise the charge of Fraud is much more than an "attitude". There are good and documented reasons to re-examine the counts. To insist in the face of present testimony that there are no reasonable grounds is to deny credible witness and recorded facts. If you have nothing to hide about how the process worked, or perhaps did not, then you have nothing to keep from public view about how the counting was done, however embarrassing it may be to show it.

To insist without evidence that you have made no mistakes in the face of this testimony is to declare that you do not care if the Iowa Democratic Caucuses count since you do not certify that they are accurate and completely correct. You simply assert that there will be no recounting or even rechecking precincts where doubts have been raised. How very Democratic indeed. May as well throw out all of the delegates, super and otherwise, from Iowa since we Democrats cannot ascertain that they were apportioned legally and fairly.

Water under the effing bridge indeed!

[BillZBubb]

80. Yeah right, the Iowa caucus is just as important as Florida in 2000!

Your sense of priorities is very skewed.

[bigtree]

10. c'mon out there - if you believe, clap your hands

[FSogol]

13. LOL, I thought of the same thing. Only the audience can save Tinkerbell!

[RKP5637]

11. I think likely he did. I know I do not trust the DNC and local counts. The entire election system

in the US needs to be revamped and brought into the 21st century.

[Zorra]

12. Don't know. Primary evidence is being withheld in an apparent attempt to hide the truth. nt

[demwing]

14. He probably won, but can it be shown one way or another?

and does it matter? Sanders came outta Iowa like a winner. Clinton? Meh...

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Just want an accurate accounting. What's wrong with wanting that?

[Half-Century Man]

16. I just think the contests this close should have their results verified.

As a matter of course.

As far as I care, unless the outcome is greater than 1% difference; it was a tie, no matter who gets the fractional advantage.
I would like to have had Bernie honestly win it, but I won't be heart broken if Ms. Clinton honestly won it.

[chervilant]

41. It's almost impossible

for me to use "honestly" and "Clinton" in the same sentence (except, maybe, to make this point).

[fbc]

17. I think he might have won the majority of votes, but I don't think he won.

I am hoping that a review of the results works him into a 22-22 delegate tie, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think a lot of these little corrections probably won't affect the crazy way they count them in Iowa.

[Binkie The Clown]

18. Even if he didn't technically get more votes... he still won, since

he started from so far behind, according to the press, that he wins on the first derivative. His rate of growth in popularity is high while Hillary's rate of growth is zero or negative. So extrapolating the popularity of both using the current rate of change (first derivative of a function) by next November Bernie will get at least 100% of the popular vote. (We don't really care about the unpopular vote anyway.)

[Merryland]

19. Hiding the results of the Iowa election,

hiding transcripts, hiding email...Is there anything Hillary doesn't hide?

[Avalux]

20. There are strong indications he did.

The DNC must release result tabulation data to either confirm or prove wrong the many accounts of vote and delegate errors.

[Dustlawyer]

21. There are enough examples of switched voting reports where delegate votes for Bernie were changed

to Hillary to alter the outcome. We need an investigation! We do not need another Florida recount debacle.

[SoapBox]

22. Yes!

But I will say this...now that we are pretty sure that there were more than a few irregularities it at worst was essentially a 50/50 result.

I would prefer the campaign to not use too much time and/or money (unless it's being done with volunteers and not taking many directly from the campaign) and focus on moving forward, as there is still lots coming up that needs their full attention.

Iowa and now the other states have been put on notice...to reign in any shenanigans.

[basselope]

23. I don't think there is any question he got a MAJORITY vote count...

But, much like our general election that isn't quite the way the system works.

It looks more likely than not that he won both ways, but in the short run, it doesn't matter. He did enough to sink the Clinton coronation.

However, we should improve the system for the future so the vote counts are far more transparent and easy to review.

[99Forever]

24. The lack of transparency confirms it.

This is what Clintons do. Honesty has nothing to do with their game plan.

[RKP5637]

26. Quite true! If it were all above board, there would be no reason to hide it! ALL election results

across the US should be transparent!

[99Forever]

37. Did you happen to notice that...

... many of the same crowd that SCREAMED about election fraud in the past, have gone dead silent about this?

[RKP5637]

38. Yep! n/t

[totodeinhere]

25. Iowans claim instances when Sanders was shorted delegates

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/

This is just another reason why Clinton is unqualified to serve as POTUS. We don't need a cheater in the White House.

[Duckhunter935]

27. could go either way

But a full an accurate count needs to be performed in the open.

[bhikkhu]

28. I think he proved his electability, which is definitely a win

I'm not concerned whether he got an absolute majority or not, not nearly as important at this point.

[scottie55]

33. Imagine The News Cycle Where They Have To Restate And Say Bernie Won Iowa

That would be a hit all around.

Scares the death out of HRC, and the MSM.

If there is 100% transparency, and Bernie still lost, I will be happy with that.

Lot to ask for though....

[nxylas]

67. It'd be buried on page 37

Or whatever the TV equivalent is.

[restorefreedom]

32. if the worksheets proved that hillary won,

they would have been more than happy to pull a loud and public "told ya so". the fact that the clinton surrogate/iowa party chair won't release the raw data is all the proof i need thst this stinks to high heaven.

i just hope it wasn't more than a delegste or two they stole. he needs every one dammit.

[Got it]

34. Yes! eom

[avaistheone1]

35. I'm in

[Inspired]

39. He didn't win my precinct.

But he did well. This was very close, but I think the results are accurate. Hillary won by a very, very, narrow margin. I say this as someone who caucused for Bernie. I was actually surprised that there was so much Hilary support in my precinct.

[CoffeeCat]

47. We'll most likely never know

The pressure is on the IDP. Unless they release the raw numbers or the delegates sheets that were turned into them by the Precinct Captains, the result of the Iowa Caucuses will remain a mystery.

That's a tragedy.

[gyroscope]

42. I hope the Des Moines Register follows up with its reporting on this

and files a lawsuit against the DNC under Freedom of Information. It would be the next logical step.

The evidence for election fraud appears overwhelming.

[pinebox]

45. Great cartoon!

[gyroscope]

48. That cartoon was on the front page of SJ Mercury News the other day

biggest paper in Silicon Valley CA.

I like how Bill has the fire extinguisher and aloe vera handy.

[Festivito]

46. Can't see that it is clear yet, nor that it will matter in the long run.

If it were clear, there would be a link in the OP for certain. No rec.

[druidity33]

49. if this was a Popular vote...

he would've won. If they released the actual head counts we would be able to verify that.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

50. I dunno. Just going to wait to see how the various investigations play out.

Certainly the one where Clinton got the sole delegate and the only voter there supposedly voted for Sanders seems odd, as does the 4/5 transposition one. Are there enough of those to actually flip how things went? Don't know.

[CincyDem]

51. I learned all I need to know about this issue from SNL.

If Bernie had just taken the "cough-shake" like a man - he'd be in. But no, he had to hold out for the "cough-wipe-shake" and where did it get him.

You damn well know that he'll be taking 2% in his coffee from now on !

[Hoyt]

52. Don't really care, it won't determine the eventual winner. I don't believe there was any conspiracy.

[Phil1934]

53. It will hurt Hillary more

if there is proven evidence of tampering than if she actually had to give one or two delegates to Bernie. Still 49 states to go.

[Jack Rabbit]

55. It's possible that he did, but I, for one, can't say he definitely did

I doubt he won a "substantial" majority. Let the recount continue.

At most, the results might show a statistical tie in Bernie's favor instead of a statistical tie in Hillary's favor.

Not to suggest there should not be a recount, but we Sandernistas can be happy with the results as they now stand. Coming from a huge deficit about Christmas to close the gap to virtually even at the caucus is a moral victory for Bernie no matter how Camp Weathervane tries to frame it. Even given the results as they stand, the meme that Mrs. Clinton won, period, end of discussion is just a lot of hosrepucky.

[Odin2005]

57. HILLARY IS A CHEATER!

[Stevepol]

58. I think he did, but I also think it was close and not hard to cheat on. K&R

[asuhornets]

60. he lost get over it...n/t

[840high]

63. see #62

[GoneFishin]

61. The strongest evidence that he did is the foot dragging by the other side for an audit. We don't

know if there is emperical proof of cheating yet, but they do. So the message they telegraph is circumstantial, but important.

[840high]

62. See this

Jennifer Jacobs, [e-mail] 8:56 a.m. CST February 7, 2016
635900058056863091-CaucusNight-BA-09.jpgBuy Photo

(Photo: Brian Achenbach/For the Register, Brian Achenbach)

Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.

But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero...

[Betty Karlson]

65. Clinton and Schultz don't want transparency. That in itself is as much as an admission. eom

[DrBulldog]

66. I do, too.

The reported - and substantiated irregularities - already puts the delegate count in Bernie's favor. But I doubt the gutless and dishonest Iowa Democratic party leaders will recognize it.

[99th_Monkey]

68. It certainly looks (and smells) like that.

When even the major Iowa newspaper (one that endorsed Hillary)
says it "stinks", well then .. hell yes it stinks.

[dpatbrown]

71. Without a doubt!

[Chicago1980]

73. Still harping about this?

[oberliner]

74. The Iowa caucus is so awful on so many levels.

It is chaos with tons of irregularities and counting problems. Not to mention that whole idea of "being viable" and having to declare one's vote publicly. Also having to be available for several hours in the evening.

Every state should move to a primary system. Just go to a polling area at any time during the day at your convenience and vote privately for the candidate of your choice.

As for Iowa, let's just call it a tie and move on.

[MissDeeds]

77. K&R

Serious questions remain unanswered.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

79. Clap if you believe!

[Bjornsdotter]

81. I don't know, but I want to know

...without any doubt.

I want this finished up and put to bed. If we ran our business with dodgy numbers the government would be all over us. I wish an independent group would do the double checking.

[Enthusiast]

82. I believe it! K&R!

[TheFarseer]

83. I believe he won the popular vote.

Haven't seen or attempted to plot out a breakdown of if he won the delegate count taking into account all the irregularities.

[Kalidurga]

84. I believe he won.

But, I don't really care all that much if he won by .2% or if Hillary won by .2%. Hillary was supposed to wallop him according to a whole lot of polls, on average by 5% IIRC. And let's not forget how they do things in Iowa. Most of Bernie's support was concentrated in the urban areas and that is problematic. Long story short, Hillary should have won by even more than 5%, just because of the way they count delegates.

[olddots]

85. I repeat post #1

N.T.

[silvershadow]

86. Malfeasance from day 1? I wouldn't doubt it. nt

[roody]

87. Yes but total votes don't get delegates.

[Chemisse]

90. How are we supposed to know?

If you 'believe' it, you are letting your heart lead your head.

Cold hard numbers are needed. Then we don't have to believe - we know.

[Duval]

91. K&R nt

[GoneOffShore]

93. Time to take Iowa and New Hampshire and make them the last primary.

States with actual urban voters should be the first primary states.

[Bernblu]

94. He won the popular vote for sure and maybe the delegate count too

[dae]

95. K & R

[FailureToCommunicate]

97. I'd say welcome...but with that screen name I'm guessing you may not be here long.

You see, this is a site for Democrats, and like minded progressive independents. If your name implies that you wouldn't vote for whomever the final Democratic nominee is, unless it was Hillary, than maybe you are not at the right place.

Just wondering.

[scottie55]

105. Show Us The Numbers

Not that hard right?

Doooooof.

[Unknown Beatle]

98. I have no doubt Bernie won.

Feel The Bern!

[jwirr]

99. K&R When a candidate runs behind and then moves up to

tie with the front runner and inevitable candidate then that candidate won. Especially when that front runner is rolling in corporate donations and media support.

[Populist_Prole]

100. Rec

[Jean Genie]

101. Nip it!

Let's nip this in the bud RIGHT NOW! Before we have to deal with the rest of the primaries, and more and more little "adjustments" that leave Bernie just a bit behind in the tallies. In other words, let the HONEST elections begin!

[ThreeWayFanny]

102. And as the primary proceeds we are going to hear more and more . ...

....about how bernie is "really" the winner. The more he losses the more he will have "really" won.

[billhicks76]

104. What's Most Recs Record On DU?

[RiverLover]

130. I'd like to know that as well. /nt

[BainsBane]

106. I see, so actual voting results are inconsequential

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Both the exit and entrance polls showed Clinton received the majority of support. There is no rational basis to assume the results are anything other than what the Iowa Secretary of State and Democratic Party reported.

Evidence means nothing. Facts mean nothing. The democratic rights of American citizens mean nothing. The only thing that matters is what you and those who think exactly like you want. Posts like these reveal an abiding contempt for the rights of the majority and a willful effort to eliminate them from the democratic process. If they don't vote as YOU demand, you will work to erase their votes and with them their basic rights.

Thankfully, what you think is absolutely inconsequential. Our votes still count, no matter how irrelevant and inferior you believe them to be. If you want to win an election, you will have to get out and work for it rather than simply seeking to rhetorically erase the votes of the majority of Americans.

[scottie55]

107. It Looks Like 3/4 Of DU'ers Think What I Think

To me that does not amount to inconsequential.

If our democracy isn't open for examination, it isn't a democracy.

Tell you what.

Send all the vote tallies from New Hampshire to me, and I will tell everyone who won, and not let anyone see the numbers.

How's that?

Didn't think so.

I just want to see the totals.

I don't trust secrecy.

Call me a stickler....

[scottie55]

108. Hillary Could End All This Speculation In A Heartbeat

She could ask to have the results of the precinct counts published.

She won't.

What's that tell you?

[scottie55]

110. "Our votes still count"

If they still counted, then why can't we count them?

Your "opinion" is an insult to transparency/democracy.

No one said anyone's vote is inferior.

I get out and work for my candidates almost every day.

No one is erasing votes I know.

The IDP? Who knows.

"There is no rational basis to assume the results are anything other than what the Iowa Secretary of State and Democratic Party reported. " = Bullshit. Even the newspaper of note says something stinks. It's not simply my, and three fourths of DU'ers opinion.

"You treat the rights of your fellow citizens with utter contempt, which is all too common. " = Bullshit We're all Americans. It's just some of us prefer the truth more than others.

I am tired of typing bullshit.

Everything you posted is bullshit.

Do I find you contemptible? Not really. Just a normal HRC supporter who is good at holding their nose.

[brooklynite]

109. So - no rec from the Sanders campaign?

That's the only opinion that counts

[scottie55]

113. Bernie Doesn't Want The Sore Loser Label Attached To Him By The Lazy Media

I can't blame him.

Us Americans who want open honest elections, it is up to us to demand the raw data.

And we are.

It is up to "the establishment" to make sure they hold onto power at any price.

If Bernie truly lost, I think everyone will be satisfied.

Show us all he truly lost.

Post the numbers and lets root out the fraud/mistakes if there is any more than have already been reported.

[scottie55]

115. Not Lazy Media

The corporate media, controlled by the 1% who has been against his campaign, and us the whole time.

The one that is not reporting "irregularities" cuz they have horse race crap to spew.

[nxylas]

128. That's why I think his campaign's response was the right one

Saying "a virtual tie is a virtual tie even if the totals are reversed in Bernie's favour" robs Clinton of her victory without allowing her campaign/the DNC (the two are effectively one entity) to play the "sore loser" card.

[pnwmom]

111. He did NOT win the caucus but no one will ever know how many actual voters

came to vote for him because caucuses are not set up that way. (Though the entrance and exit polls support Hillary's win.)

And they are also not set up to encourage voter participation; they deny absentee ballots to people who need them.

I hope everyone now understands why I've always said that caucuses should ALL be replaced by primaries.

[scottie55]

114. How Do You Know He Didn't Win The Caucuses?

Did you see all the results which could be verified?

I sure didn't.

What I have seen is a list of mistakes, and "other stuff".

Show us the numbers, or just declare Bernie the winner.

[pnwmom]

117. Because his campaign sat down with the Party and went over all the results

they had been disputing.

And his observers had been in the precincts that day, so they knew what their questions were.

As a result, he gained tiny amounts in three precincts, and lost tiny amounts in two precincts. The overall vote still went to Hillary.

Did you see this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511167906

[Paka]

116. Releasing raw data would help,

but I too am convinced he won. The DNC has been and will keep doing everything they can to derail Bernie. We simply have to continue to turn out in huge numbers and make the vote impossible to steal. They have been watching the GOP and have learned all their dirty tricks.

[hoosierlib]

118. I know he won the popular vote...

But its a caucus...

[trillion]

121. Has DU ever done a poll to see who's voting for Hillary/Bernie/Other?

I'd be interested in the percent for each candidate on this site.

[Bwprimal1]

125. Yes

Better than trump.

[Smarmie Doofus]

129. Rec # 400. nt

[RiverLover]

132. 426, so far

*kick*

[Roy Rolling]

133. Let it go

Let it go, my friend, let it go. Your point is accepted.

If he won by a few votes it is still a "virtual tie". Therefore, there is no change for me. I concluded Iowa was a virtual tie a week ago, and using my vital energy to rehash Iowa saps my strength for the present and future. Which is really what a Clinton campaign would wish for---Sanders supporters to waste their time.

[RiverLover]

134. I take it you aren't rec #427. I also won't let making a joke of the Democratic process go.

Votes should matter.

We shouldn't collectively allow cheating. Its worth our time to make sure those in power know this.

Or why even have a primary?

Why encourage more cheating??

Its worth the time.

[Gregorian]

136. I don't know. I want to know. We must have a clear and open system. This is a democracy.