Really getting ticked about people saying Bernie supporters

[Mother Of Four]

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think he's perfect. This is the same crap we got as Obama supporters in 08.

Words like Messiah were bandied around, the famous “fairy tale” crap, that he had “rock star” fame, that he hadn't been vetted, Obama Boys etc etc etc.

SSDD guys, SSDD. The only thing this does is make us MORE motivated to come out for Bernie.

Mock us, demean us, demean our candidate, tell us we're dreaming. Keep telling us NO, it's not going to happen. What exactly did that get in 08?

He's not perfect, we have no illusions that he's perfect and I for one have never for a single second thought he was. Bernie is glaringly IMPERFECT. He's old, he's loud, he could use some work on foreign policy, he's driven to the point of having blinders on sometimes... but he CARES. I want someone who cares, who has worked his entire life trying to get equality. Economic, civil rights, education – in every aspect a civil servant.

I don't want someone who is perfect, I want someone who gives a rats damn about my family's future.

Edited for spelling

[virtualobserver]

1. it is nice to have a candidate with good judgment

experience is worthless without judgement.....Hillary does not appear to have learned from her experience.

[Bubzer]

22. +1000000

Experience doesn't always lead to wisdom... the best wisdom is forethought.
hillary lacks it, Bernie has it in spades

[liberalmike27]

45. While Bernie's campaign is specific initiatives

Hillary can't match them--so she's working broad strokes, and NeoLiberal reputation.

1.) He's attacking Obama (ploy to gain black votes). In truth, he's said good things about Obama in every debate, each time she's said that. Hillary builds this straw man about Sanders attacking him, then knocks it down, a kind of pandering to black voters. I think it isn't working for everyone, since there is a divide, a certain group of black people that do see Obama as someone who could have done more, been more liberal, said more, used the bully pulpit.

2.) You've said something that might hurt me, I'm a woman, you must hate women. This is Glen Beckian logic, performed by the Hillary campaign, and supporters.

3.) "Special place in hell for women who don't support women." Yea, no matter what they think--if Carly Fiorina, or Margaret Thatcher were running, would you still be required to vote for her, just because they were women? Nope.

4.) <5% blacks in Vermont. Bernie must be a racist. Really? Is there ANYONE that believes this?

5.) "He can't win." Again, broad strokes, and a lie, according to recent polls, and other polls that are less recent, Bernie does better than Hillary against all Republicans, and the same against Rubio.

6.) "I've got the foreign experience," which basically means, what, more wars? I support Bernie, and I want to see "peace" break out. Sure, if you want to go in and rescue actual Americans, fine. I want to FIX America, and stop wasting all that money on wars.

7.) "I can't believe you think them paying me millions of dollars to get elected, has anything to do with what I will actually do for them, once election. Why Suh you impugn my character!!" I don't think much explanation needs to be done here.

8.) "No we can't." "You want too much." Sounds a lot like right-wingers, who used to say "Unions wanted too much," which I never agreed with. Why is it too much, when other countries seem to manage to find the money. (See #6)

[Dustlawyer]

108. Great synopsis, but I bet you will have to delete part of number 5.

The part that says, "...and the same against Rubio." All candidates would like to say, domo arigato (sp) to Mr. Robato!

[Dont call me Shirley]

109. And good ethics and morals.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. Clinton supporters are having trouble coming up with anything new.

So yeah, they're flinging around the exact same insults used against Obama and his supporters in 08.

[malokvale77]

58. According to someone here on DU.

Bernie Bros is not a rehash of Obama Boys. LOL.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Ok I thought I had heard that term before somewhere

but you guys just put that proverbial finger on it.

[TwilightGardener]

3. The Clinton campaign likes to rag on supporters of whatever opponent they happen to have.

They're trying to tell undecided voters "you don't want to join THIS club, what a bunch of (insert insult here)! Normal people like Clinton!"

[Punkingal]

4. Exactly!

Awesome OP!

[arcane1]

5. When she can't win on policy... n/t

[TTUBatfan2008]

6. He's not perfect for sure...

...but he has a much longer and stronger track record of standing up for the people than Obama ever did. Obama turned out to be a corporate sellout just like the Clintons. We know the Clinton history of letting down the people via NAFTA, welfare reform, the crime bill, subprime mortgages, Iraq/Libya, Wall Street bailouts, etc.

It's possible Bernie's campaign will be hijacked by corporations (or already has been and we don't know it yet), but it's also very possible he is the real deal. Hillary is very likely to win the nomination. I'm just glad she's having to fight for it. She is not some saint that is worthy of coronation either.

[Mother Of Four]

7. Thank you for that sanity :)

That was an amazingly even handed post

[Avalux]

8. What they don't get - it's not all about him.

Bernie Sanders is definitely not perfect, but what he is - a brave truth teller and motivator whose populist message is resonating with a broad range of millions of Americans.

He is brave enough to stand up to big money and speak the truth that others are afraid to say (while the hold out their hands for big fat checks). His populist message gets to the core of what we, as human beings, know is wrong with this country.

So with Bernie, we have a chance to really truly change things so long as we all work together. It's not going to be easy as Bernie warns, but I'm ready for it. No matter what big money throws at us (it may get ugly). Onward to the future!

[roguevalley]

34. agreed. who is the one who is "I, me, my" and who is

the one "you, us, we"?

[840high]

73. yep

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

43. Like Bernie said, "A political revolution."

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[malokvale77]

64. The big message he brings is...

you cannot do for the people while spending 24/7 on your knees praying to the golden calf (or should that be bull?).

[Lorien]

91. Exactly. He's not like Obama. He doesn't have charisma and charm

and he isn't a master speech maker. It's ENTIRELY about an idea and the issues for us. We're dying, and this movement is our last hope. Bernie happens to be leading it, but it could have easily been Warren.

[NJCher]

133. I disagree about the charm

he is totally charming when he laughs, especially when he laughs at Clinton in a debate when she says she is not beholden to financial interests.

Endearing is another word that describes him. When I see him "walking the walk" (such as taking bus or train transportation instead of a limo or private jet), or getting a coffee at Dunkin' Donuts while on the run, I am completely touched by how genuine he is.

Cher

[stonecutter357]

9. name one thing that is wrong with Bernie supporters.

[Mother Of Four]

10. In the interest of fairness certainly -

I hate it when Bernie supporters use derogatory terms to describe HRC or her supporters. It's immature and completely unnecessary.

[roguevalley]

35. the sheer volume of whining here is ridiculous. How

about Bill whining too? If they have this much offense and angst about anonymous internet people who MAY or NOT be Bernie supporters, how can I trust them to stand up for me against the real assholes of the world because they have such delicate feewings?

[HooptieWagon]

11. They're just authoritarian bullies.

Their name-calling and insults only serves to illuminate how poor their candidate is. She's dropping in the polls, and they're panicking.

[litlbilly]

12. Nicely said MO4:)

[Uncle Joe]

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Mother Of Four.

[GreatGazoo]

14. It's their panic driven strategy -- move the goalposts.

Have they learned NOTHING since 2008?

But Democratic operatives see a number of serious mistakes in planning and strategy in Clinton's campaign. They include:

· A message out of step with an electorate that desperately wanted change.

· Failure to devise a plan B if she failed to knock Obama out of the race in Iowa or by Super Tuesday on February 5.

· Failure to build a grassroots organisation. The campaign, caught up in its self-created myth of invincibility, also lost track of spending, burning through $120m (£61m) so fast that Clinton could not run television ads in several key states in February.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/04/hillaryclinton.uselections20084

[roguevalley]

36. don't worry. they can always console themselves with 'Obama Boys'

[Kip Humphrey]

15. "This is the same crap we got as Obama supporters in 08" - Hillary learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

from her 2008 campaign. 2016 is turning out to be a carbon copy of her losing 2008 campaign, like summer repeats on TV. Only her challenger is different.

[roguevalley]

37. thwarted entitlement always whines. listen to banksters

[nc4bo]

16. Hear! Hear! What you said so well! nt

[Maedhros]

17. Clinton's is a vanity candidacy, predicated entirely on her personality.

That's weak sauce in a policy debate, so she's got to create a diversion.

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. Her personality isn't that great. In fact, it's awful.

[Maedhros]

74. Yeah, her REAL personality is pretty grating.

But they're selling the personality they've CRAFTED for her - the proud progressive that gets things done.

There is no real evidence for either of these things, but her followers believe it...

[hifiguy]

128. She has the common touch of

Marie Antoinette. And the humility of Napoleon. Not a great combination.

[Gene Debs]

18. What the hell does "SSDD" mean?

[Luminous Animal]

19. I'm guessing 'same story, different day'

[Mother Of Four]

21. Bingo. But mine has a tiny little curse word in it :)

[Bohunk68]

26. I hadn't thought "story", but not half bad.

I thought the same as MO4

[Old Codger]

20. Passionate and caring

Enthusiasm for something more than money and power......

[CharlotteVale]

23. He's on my side. She's on Wall Street's side.

[onecaliberal]

24. Ding Ding Ding!

He's for us, she is for corporations, banks, oil, pharma, insurance. Everyone but working people.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. Don't forget "celebrity"....

That's gonna be funny to claim Bernie is a celebrity.

[roguevalley]

39. people on pundit shows are so low, they say "I can't

imagine Bernie Sanders walking onto Air Force 1." Fuck them. You better get used to it, bigots.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. They think the job of the President is to be the ultimate CEO....

They see Air Force One is the ultimate private jet.

I guess he's supposed to have the ultimate yacht too.

[bullwinkle428]

42. "Running off to do 'SNL', like some kind of crazy person, when he could

have been in Flint passing out cases of bottled water!!1!"

Yep - saw that argument posted in GD : P over the weekend!

[CentralMass]

28. There is nothing wrong with his age, or foreign policy.

[TryLogic]

29. Check out this important article

http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2016/02/05/why-bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think/

[Mother Of Four]

38. I didn't have time to do more than skim

but I bookmarked it for later. Thank you. This really jumped out at me.

"So Bernie Sanders is not merely running to attempt to implement a set of idealistic policies that a republican-controlled congress is likely to block. He is running to take the Democratic Party back from an establishment that ignores the fundamental systemic economic problems that lead to wage stagnation and economic crisis."

And

"This can only happen if democrats recognize that Bernie Sanders is not just a slightly more left-wing fellow traveler of Clinton’s. This is not a contest to see who will lead the democrats, it’s a contest to see what kind of party the democrats are going to be in the coming decades, what ideology and what interests, causes, and issues the Democratic Party will prioritize. This makes it far more important than any other recent primary election."

[artislife]

30. Careful. I got a hide when I referenced the phrase Magical N...

It was if they didn't remember that term being bandied about and accused me of being racist. Ha. I am Latina and I don't forget or forgive the Super Tuesday events of 2008.

[Mother Of Four]

31. I'm sorry you got a hide for referencing that n/t

[roguevalley]

41. oh god. that's terrible. when you scorch the earth you're

going to get burned. some never learn that.

[frylock]

96. I had the same thing hidden.

I had posting privileges revoked for the first time in my almost 14 years of participating here. I'm not about to forgive or forget either. In fact, I can be a real dick sometimes.

[Orrex]

32. I'm not aware of anyone who's claimed that Sanders' supporters think he's perfect

At least, no one has made that statement in a way that can reasonably be perceived as literal. So right off the bat, that's a straw man.

Words like Messiah were bandied around,

The Messiah comments are absolutely 100% the fault of Sanders' supporters who created and gleefully shared the "Jewish socialist/former carpenter" meme that explicitly likened Sanders to Christ. Yes, it was a joke, but if Clinton's supporters had made any sort of divine comparison about her, then you can bet that Sanders' supporters would have called them on it.

I myself have stated that early estimates of Sanders' chances were unrealistic based on evidence available at the time, and that leap of faith plays into the Messiah imagery as well.

the famous “fairy tale” crap

Sanders has made promises that seem sharply unrealistic in the light of the Congress that our next President will have to work with. The "fairy tale" label derives from the assertion that Sanders will somehow inspire the Congress to approve proposals that are several dozen steps to the left of anything that's likely to pass.


What has actually happened is that Sanders' supporters have repeatedly claimed that opposition to Sanders is driven primarily by fear. Reasonable objections are dismissed in this same bullshit fashion. And anyone who doesn't embrace Sanders is labelled as a "Hillarian," a "third-wayer," a "corporate shill" or a member of the "GOP lite," etc.

I agree that Sanders hasn't claimed to be perfect, but his supporters could learn a great deal by emulating the maturity and self-control of their preferred candidate.

[Armstead]

48. May I suggest a reading comprehension course?

[Orrex]

49. Perhaps, but only after you take one.

[OnyxCollie]

51. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027595903#post12
Anyone... who is not "Saint Bernard" is a corporate stooge.

[Orrex]

53. Here:

At least, no one has made that statement in a way that can reasonably be perceived as literal. So right off the bat, that's a straw man.

[OnyxCollie]

111. Uhh...

There's like, um, words and stuff.

[turbinetree]

33. And to add to your piece Principles ..........................

Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Feel that Bern

[NCTraveler]

40. Yeah. lol.

I haven't heard of him referred to as a carpenter over and over again with clear religions implications. I haven't heard he is the only one who can save us over and over again. The religions tones many speak about Sanders in just aren't funny, they are real. Over and over again.

[Armstead]

47. You have reached new heights of comedy gold

[MrMickeysMom]

44. Same shit, different day?

There.... I've said it for you!

kick!

[Mother Of Four]

50. ...

[Armstead]

46. Great POst! I can't stand ideals and enthusiasm being demeaned yet again

[LiberalLovinLug]

52. Us Bernie supporters must also accept his flaws.

Be upfront. Because he does have flaws. And we see another post on DU throwing out their own "vetting":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511180072

To win in the USA as a politician, one must still cater enough to at least one more right wing position. Choose your poison. With Bernie it is about not being as strict on gun regulations as many of us would like.

But even though that is a big issue, it pales in comparison to his overall vision for the country. The Revolution he wants to start encompasses fundamental structures in the financial community, and social justice. For good or bad, and I would say bad, guns have become some kind of symbol of freedom for many Americans. And the NRA is still very influential. But....with the kinds of finance reform Bernie would fight for, we can actually dream of a future when lobbyists like the NRA will not be able to buy politicians. He is looking at the big picture. Not about simply propping up the status quo with a few stern words like "Cut it out".

[JDPriestly]

54. Well said. Most of all, Bernie cares about good, effective day-to-day government that is not corrup

The video showing Bernie's visit to the Burlington dump shows that he is realistic about what good government means. He has no illusions. Neither do we.

Bernie is not in it for the gllory and the mansion and the state dinners.

He is in iit for us, for the American people.

He has spent many years in Congress, and he knows better than anyone what he is up against.

Feel the Bern!

[sammythecat]

55. I really like your post

I agree with every word. Thanks.

[boston bean]

56. Then you should be really upset when you read

Posters here name calling hillary.

[Mother Of Four]

61. I do get upset about it -

I mentioned it in- I think it was response 10? I think it's unnecessary and immature.

[warmonger456]

57. It's the old Straw-Man, Ad-Hominem phony debating tactic

Part 1: Straw Man - Claim an opposing position no one has stated: "You think Bernie is perfect". No one, to my knowledge, and especially no one in the Sander's Organization has ever claimed this.

Part 2: Ad-Hominem: Use the Straw-Man argument to attack the other person and not the idea. "You" think he's perfect so therefore you must be stupid or out of your mind.


Every fightin' Liberal should familiarize themselves with the "Baloney Detection Kit" -- especially when trying to have an adult conversation with a tea-party wing-nut. (see what I did there?).

When I feel these coming at me, I just respond that they've already lost the debate since they've got nothing to have to resort to these tricks.

Fellin' The Bern.
Manny

[AlbertCat]

59. Sanders reminds me of the pre-Reagan zeitgeist....

That we have to do things together.... that you should get involved.

That greed is not good.

That we have the will and the resources to do things like go to the moon, or...gasp!... even fund the arts! We CAN figure out and fund higher education and health care for all. Because if everyone pays their taxes....we'd have plenty to work with (we do now, if we didn't spend so much of it on the military)

There's plenty of jobs in updating infrastructure (of military importance too!) Companies that profit like crazy need to put something back into the country that allows them to profit like crazy.

None of this is beyond our reach. It may take time, but one has to turn to that direction and not keep on going in the wrong direction.

[FreedomRain]

114. Excellent point!

I am just surprised it is not mentioned more.

-" updating infrastructure (of military importance too!"

[MisterP]

60. the Rahmist blank screen who people said they'd back literally no matter what he did?

people were weeping openly

[thereismore]

62. The Clinton fans called Obama the Messiah and said he had a messianic complex. nt

[Mother Of Four]

63. That's exactly what I was talking about -

SSDD

[thereismore]

66. They said he was promising to "save" us like a messiah, implying that his goals were nothing but

dreams. Celestial choirs, etc. Same shit now.

[Orrex]

75. Citation, please

I'd like to read that post (or off-site article) in which "the Clinton fans" called Obama the Messiah.

Thanks.

[thereismore]

76. Joe Klein, clearly a Clinton fan. At the time anyway. This was in NYT I think.

Thursday, Feb. 07, 2008
Inspiration vs. Substance
By Joe Klein

"We are the ones we've been waiting for," Barack Obama said in yet another memorable election-night speech on Super-Confusing Tuesday. "We are the change that we seek." Waiting to hear what Obama has to say — win, lose or tie — has become the most anticipated event of any given primary night. The man's use of pronouns (never I), of inspirational language and of poetic meter — "WE are the CHANGE that we SEEK" — is unprecedented in recent memory. Yes, Ronald Reagan could give great set-piece speeches on grand occasions, and so could John F. Kennedy, but Obama's ability to toss one off, different each week, is simply breathtaking. His New Hampshire concession speech, with the refrain "Yes, We Can," was turned into a brilliant music video featuring an array of young, hip, talented and beautiful celebrities. The video, stark in black-and-white, raised an existential question for Democrats: How can you not be moved by this? How can you vote against the future?

And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — "We are the ones we've been waiting for" — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you." That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.

That is not unprecedented. It has echoes of Howard Dean's 2004 primary effort, although in Dean's case the propellant was neither substance nor the candidate's early, courageous voice against the war. But Dean soon found that wasn't enough. In June 2003 he told me he needed to broaden his movement, reach out past the young and the academic and find a greater array of issues that could inspire working people. He never quite found that second act, and his campaign became about process, not substance: the hundreds of thousands of supporters signing up on the Internet, the millions of dollars raised. He lost track of the rest of the world; his campaign was about ... his campaign. Obama would never be so tone-deaf, but he is facing a similar ceiling, a similar inability to speak to the working people of the Democratic Party (at least, those who are not African American) or find an issue, a specific issue, that distinguishes him from his opponent. And his opponent, Hillary Clinton, has proved herself tough, specific and reliable — qualities that become increasingly important as the economy teeters and as worries about the future gather in the land....

[Orrex]

77. Then you should have cited him by name in the first place

The way you wrote it, it suggested that someone who isn't a completely worthless asshole had used the messiah imagery, but instead you were referring to Klein.

[thereismore]

79. I was around in 2008. There were a lot of messianic allegations against Barack Obama. This is

directly from Clinton. Why do you think she is talking about celestial choirs? Hm? Angels singing to Messiah Obama, that's what she means. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Orrex]

83. But there's a huge difference

None of Obama's supporters identified him as a messiah figure, certainly not with widely circulated memes mocking Republicans for their faith. Sanders' supporters, in contrast, have done exactly that with their candidate.

Sorry to force you to look at reality.

[Mother Of Four]

86. Where did a Bernie supporter say that on this board?

That Bernie was the messiah?

I must have missed that, link please?

[Orrex]

87. You didn't see the Jesus meme on DU? Seriously?

[Mother Of Four]

89. I saw a tongue in cheek thing -

With a music video but never saw anyone call Bernie the messiah, all I saw was a couple comments that Jesus was also a socialist jew. Is that what you're talking about?

[Orrex]

106. Yes. And imagine if a similar meme had been so eagerly circulated about Clinton

[retrowire]

65. KnR! Tell it! nt

[winter is coming]

67. I think it's projection, and reveals how they feel about their candidate of choice. n/t

[A Simple Game]

68. There sure are a lot of very good post on DU today, this OP is just one of many. n/t

[valerief]

71. Well, they're not going to spend money on new playbooks for their name-calling.

[Ivan Kaputski]

78. It's nothing personal. It's just business.

Glad to see that we Russian mobsters aren't the only people in the business.

[Oilwellian]

80. LOL!

And great post, Mother of Four.

K&R

[Enthusiast]

81. Kicked and recommended!

[ladjf]

82. Compared to most politicians, Bernie seems almost perfect. nt

[KittyWampus]

84. Well, the cult-follower shoes fit and many Sanders supporters are walking in them

all over the rest of us while simultaneously playing victim.

[Mother Of Four]

85. If they walk all over you ... call them on it.

I don't agree with EITHER set being demeaning to the other. As I've said twice before in this thread alone, it's immature and unnecessary.

I can't speak for the HRC camp, I can only talk about my own observations and experiences.

[beam me up scottie]

88. WHOOOOOOOOOSH!

[Lorien]

90. The Clintonistas have been out in full force lately with their " Bernie Bros are so MEAN!"

mantra. Meanwhile, one told me today that Bernie reminded her of a yappy little dog that barked so much she wanted to kick him. Is that what they meant by "avoiding personal attacks" and "sticking to the issues"/ Bring up the issues and they lose their minds with "Sexism! You're so mean and nasty! Negative campaign! You must want President Trump!" So basically they're saying "If you aren't for Hillary, then SHUT UP!!!" I've had it. I would have voted for her months ago, but not now.

[Herman4747]

92. About not being perfect -- "my families future"

my family's future!

[Mother Of Four]

93. That made me laugh -

No I'm not perfect either



Edit - fixed it

[Herman4747]

97. Good to know I made you laugh!

[passiveporcupine]

94. He's not just a wise old man now

He's been a wise old man his whole life. Some people are just born that way.

[rhett o rick]

95. What the Wealthy 1% and their fans don't understand is that this isn't about

Sanders. It's about a revolution against the greedy corruption of Big Money in politics that Clinton epitomizes.

[Yurovsky]

101. It didn't have to be this way...

She and Bill could have lived VERY comfortably on his POTUS pension, her Senate/Sec of State salary, and royalties from their memoirs. But greed got the best of her & Bill. They sold their souls to Wall Street and corporate interests, and that simply won't fly with today's Democratic & independent voters.

I don't feel sorry for her & Bill. They made the choice to cash in. Now the bill is coming due.

[rhett o rick]

110. There are a lot of people that worship the wealthy. Sadly some are Democrats. nm

[anotherproletariat]

98. For some reason everyone talking about politics likes to generalize...

...of course no politician is perfect. No one thinks that, people just support the person who they think will be the best of the available choices. I kind of still wish Joe Biden was in the race, but we can't have everything we want.

[ozone_man]

99. He just speaks from his heart.

One gets to know how that feels.

TDR, FDR, Truman, JFK, Carter spoke from the heart. You can feel it, when you hear it. The Bern. It is truthful.

[senz]

100. On some level, they know how badly their candidate looks by comparison.

[fun n serious]

102. Oh come on. Y'all do it 24/7

Take a step back and really look at who is demeaning to whom. It happens on Both sides and in here Y'all are the majority so Clinton supports are getting hit hard! Just look at the threads. Please do not play victim

[libdem4life]

103. Thank you. That's what I would have said.

[Hiraeth]

104. Yes to the Civil Servants. No to ALL the poiticians. They are supposed to work for us. OUR taxes pay

their salaries. They have forgotten how all this works.

[humbled_opinion]

105. The best thing about Bernie

He will do what he says he will do, screw the naysayers... With anyone else you really don't know what you will get but you know what you get with Bernie....Love it...

[denbot]

107. K&R. N/T

[hibbing]

112. Don't watch the late night circle jerk on MSNBC tonight...barf

A gang of beltway insiders that all go the same cocktail parties including Andrea Mitchel...ugh.


Barack Obama knows exactly what he is doing.


Peace

[Indepatriot]

113. PERFECT.

[hopemountain]

115. projection, pure projection

- straight out of the rovian handbook.

[jfern]

116. Obama is the messiah who is running a fairy tale campaign

Yeah, pretty much the same attacks from 8 years ago.

[mdbl]

117. Yes! I want that too.

I want to elect a true public servant, not a self-servant.

[ucrdem]

118. Okay fair enough. The problem is that he's not Barack, Bill, or Hill.

I'll grant that he cares, but the reality is that he doesn't have a law degree, has no agenda to speak of, writes unbelievably lousy legislation, has no bench or cadre of potential cabinet nominees, has no visible Congressional network, and would be 75 upon taking office. So there's that. Also a couple of other things. But a role in the next admin I hope he has.

[MrScorpio]

119. Do you mind if we quote and link this OP in any of "Bernie is so great" threads?

This can really come in handy from time to time.

[Mother Of Four]

121. Go for it :)

[Rafale]

120. The Movement is not about Sanders at all.....

It's about an idea, the idea of having an oligarchy/plutocracy replaced by a democracy. He Sanders died tomorrow, hopefully the Movement would continue.

Sanders is just a vehicle to get to the summit. Elizabeth Warren would also be a vehicle.

[mythology]

122. You must have missed all the posts saying things like

Clinton supporters are "literally suffocating" Sanders supporters here, or this post

"Bernie is truth. Bernie is conviction. Bernie is love. Bernie is tolerance. Bernie is Robin Hood. Bernie is Pope Francis. Bernie is selfless. Bernie is fearless. Bernie has a history of outspoken leadership that we should all applaud. Bernie is the type of person who is fit to lead because he does so out of a concern for others, not out of a desire for power. Bernie is humble."

Or the fact that Sanders supporters have regularly attacked Clinton supporters online, such to the point that Sanders himself has asked them to not do so. Or the fact that anybody who questions the numbers on Sanders proposals is attacked as a member of the establishment without actually bothering to refute the numbers, because the mere fact that they aren't supporting Sanders is enough to make them wrong.

[Mother Of Four]

124. Can you link me that post please?

Thanks in advance

On the attacks outside this board- I've seen HRC supporters online do much the same thing so I do my best to not react to the comments. Otherwise I'd be sitting here all day going back and forth with trollers who claim to be from both parties.

[Zorra]

123. Their embarrassing churlishness will drive more good people into our camp. nt

[Larkspur]

125. Hillary supporters and campaign operatives remind me of high school girls

and how they fight.

I have to agree with Sam Seder that there is a cattiness about the Hillary campaign.

[cherokeeprogressive]

134. Alert results...

On Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:04 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hillary supporters and campaign operatives remind me of high school girls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1190553

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Sexist shit like this does not belong on DU. "high school girls" and "cattiness"? Seriously? Sexism is REAL and it's right here on DU. Rude and inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Feb 10, 2016, 11:10 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: rude, insensitive, over-the-top
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And if the characterization is correct? How else to explain the behavior?

[Larkspur]

136. I'm female and in elementary and high school I was a victim of bullying by girls, not boys

And cattiness was the best word to describe them and the style of attacks from the Clinton campaign.

Thanks to the jurors who voted to leave my post asis.

[tazkcmo]

126. The beatings will continue

until moral improves. Yup. That's their response to us in a nutshell.

[hifiguy]

129. I'm sure there are some beatings being delivered

At HRH's campaign HQ today.

[tazkcmo]

130. Certainly!

The Morning Motivational was probably a barn burner!

[Thor_MN]

127. You do realize that you are a individual?

That you do not represent every Sanders supporter? That there are "Sanders supporters" that ARE exactly what you are ticked about people talking about? The quotes are because I believe there exist trolls in this world. (There are people who will say anything to cause rifts on the left.) Sanders supporters are not a monolithic, utterly uniform, cloned, hive mind.

There are people that believe Sanders should be supported based on blind faith, that he can do no wrong, that he is a saint. These are the people that whole heartedly support and propagate GOP talking points. You say that you are not one of them, yet are offended when these extremists are called out.

Celebrate your individuality and consider that when there is talk about the negative aspects of a group that you identify with, that it might not be YOU that is being discussed.

[mountain grammy]

132. He cares... says it all!

[Renew Deal]

135. The feedback is fair as long as his supporters act like he's perfect

And are incapable of accepting he has warts.