I missed the debate. Did Hillary agree to release her transcipts during it?

[Live and Learn]

Or, is she still looking into it? Does she need help to find them?

[SHRED]

1. Don't hold your breath

[Live and Learn]

2. Perhaps, she just forgot? nt

[SHRED]

3. LOL

Although it's not funny.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Yes, that's probably it... but Hillary remembered to remind people that she seeks advice from war criminals like Henry "The Butcher" Kissinger!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[PoliticAverse]

4. She can't, Henry Kissinger borrowed her copies. n/t

[elleng]

5. No discussion.

[MADem]

6. Bernie needs to release his, too.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/

[Live and Learn]

9. Bernie didn't ask for transcripts of his, Hillary did.

If Bernie had transcripts, I am sure he would have no problem releasing them. i am equally sure he never pandered to the bankers like Hillary does.

[MADem]

120. Sure....!

He never pandered you say...? LOL!

They gave him money because he gave 'em hell!

[NanceGreggs]

7. No, she didn't.

And the only people interested in those transcripts are BSers hoping to find a "gotcha" moment just as Bernie is about to face primaries in states where he is far behind HRC.

No one else cares.

[Live and Learn]

8. If nobody cares, it shouldn't be a problem for her to release them.

What is she afraid of?

[NanceGreggs]

11. "If you are not guilty of anything ...

... you should cooperate fully. Failure to do so points to your being guilty of something."

How about if Bernie releases his phone records, text messages, and emails during the time his campaign stole HRC's computer data, used logos of organizations without authorization/permission, posed as union members to gain access to union-restricted areas?

Don't voters have a right to know what he knew, and when he knew it?

I would think those details are far more relevant than Hillary's speeches - which had nothing to do with the present campaign.

[cui bono]

21. Bernie was the one calling for the release of records. That's what made HRC and DWS want to move on

And according to a Hillary friend and supporter Bernie is going to win millions in his lawsuit against the DNC.

Here's a good interview. Go to around 19 minutes in to hear him talking about how what the DNC did to Bernie was improper. And that they backed down because they knew they were wrong.
http://ianmasters.com/content/january-17-bernie-sanders-has-caught-hillary-surprise-could-we-end-spoiled-brats-running-ira

Direct link to audio: http://ianmasters.com/sites/default/files/mp3/bbriefing_2015_01_17a_simon%20rosenberg.mp3

.

[Live and Learn]

23. +10,000 And, I hope so. nt

[NanceGreggs]

47. Bring it on.

"And according to a Hillary friend and supporter Bernie is going to win millions in his lawsuit against the DNC."

On what grounds? He fired his campaign staffers on the grounds that they were guilty of doing what they'd been accused of doing.

So what it's going to be? He fired staffers he knew to be innocent - or by firing them. he admitted they had engaged in wrongdoing that was a fire-worthy offence?

[cui bono]

60. Bring what on? Are you channeling GWB? Did you listen to the interview?

What the DNC did was unlawful and didn't follow the rules. They had no right to block access and they cost him by limiting his ability to campaign at his fullest potential.

Why do you think Hillary and DWS backed down so quickly after they were roundly criticized for their bizarre handling of the situation? DWS was completely wrong in all her actions. Going to the press instead of dealing with it professionally. Shutting off his access illegally. This has all been hashed out before. She did everything wrong. And it was all done with a bias to favor HRC and attempt to hurt Sanders.

Now go listen. It's actually an interesting interview. Ian Masters is a great journalist who used to work for the BBC. I think you would enjoy his program, and I'm not being sarcastic.

.

[Live and Learn]

97. +10,000 nt

[Live and Learn]

22. Nothing? How about the promises she made to them that differ from the promises she makes

campaigning? Of course, those switch daily anyway.

[NanceGreggs]

32. What "promises" are those?

The ones you just dreamed up in your head?

So g'head - state the promises that Hillary made in transcripts you haven't seen.

[Live and Learn]

33. ROFL You are right, she never made any promises to us.

But, I am quite certain she did make promises to them since nobody pays that kind of money to hear, "Sorry, we 'Can't Do' a thing for you."

[NanceGreggs]

36. You have no idea what's in those transcripts ...

... and pretending you do is rather silly - don't ya think?

"I am quite certain she did make promises to them ..."

Cool. Please cite the transcript passages that support your "certainty".

[Live and Learn]

38. I would, but Hillary would sue me since she has exclusive rights over them.

I am sure you understand.

[NanceGreggs]

39. YOUR post ...

"I am quite certain she did make promises to them ..."

Cite the promises she made.

[Live and Learn]

40. Sorry, I'd love to share but she has a legal contract. nt

[NanceGreggs]

49. Oh, so is the new meme ...

... I KNOW what's in the transcripts, but I'm not allowed to say?

[Live and Learn]

51. No, it is, 'I own the transcripts but CAN'T share because I CAN'T DO anything'.

Hillary does memes, I don't.

[NanceGreggs]

62. There is a difference ...

... between "I can't" and "I won't".

She never said "I can't". She's pretty much indicated that she won't.

Nor should she. I know you BSers are hoping to find that smoking gun that will ruin HRC's campaign, thus leading to a clear path for BS to win the nomination.

The smoking gun doesn't exist - and it's a rather desperate move on the part of BSers to hope that there IS a smoking gun - because it's the only way BS gets ahead. Too bad he can't win the nomination on his own merits, but has to hope that something - anything! - will take down the front-runner before he faces primaries in states where he is impossibly behind.

[Live and Learn]

70. She never said, 'We Can't'? Are you sure? I think you are mistaken. nt

[NanceGreggs]

100. Okay.

Provide the links.

[senz]

46. See? She's all cleverly hidden.

Isn't that nice?

[Hekate]

37. Right on, Nance

[Live and Learn]

41. On? Hmmm. nt

[Hekate]

45. Are you not familiar with the phrase?

[Live and Learn]

48. The phrase of being 'on' something? Not sure I get your question. nt

[Hekate]

54. Oy. It's a two-word phrase: "Right on." It's hipster talk from the 1960s.

Not hippie; hipster. Seemed entirely appropriate as a term of approval for my friend NanceGreggs.

For further information, Google is your friend.

[Live and Learn]

56. So it does mean being on something? The 60's were famous for that, no?

But the Clintons would have you in prison for life for such things.

[Hekate]

59. Just google the phrase sonny, and get off my lawn.

JURY: This is irony, if anything

[Live and Learn]

69. I thought Sonny died long ago. nt

[senz]

76. No, it was a phrase indicating complete agreement.

You are right now making me aware of how quickly time passes, how everything grows distant and dim with the passage of time.

Someday you'll understand. In fact, just because you started such an interesting thread, I'll share a poem that captures a bit of it. It's called "Spring and Fall" and it's by Gerard Manley Hopkins. The speaker is addressing a small child who is sad when the leaves drop in the Fall.

Márgarét, áre you gríeving
Over Goldengrove unleaving?
Leáves like the things of man, you
With your fresh thoughts care for, can you?
Ah! ás the heart grows older
It will come to such sights colder
By and by, nor spare a sigh
Though worlds of wanwood leafmeal lie;
And yet you wíll weep and know why.
Now no matter, child, the name:
Sórrow’s spríngs áre the same.
Nor mouth had, no nor mind, expressed
What heart heard of, ghost guessed:
It ís the blight man was born for,
It is Margaret you mourn for.

[senz]

64. You're probably young, Live and Learn. The phrase "right on"

was ubiquitous in the late sixties, early seventies.

[senz]

42. Bernie called for a complete and thorough investigation.

He said so several times, both in the media and in the debate right after the data breach. That was when Hill and the DNC started backing off. Hill even said during the debate that she would like to put it in the past.

Now you think Bernie has something to hide? Not likely, Nance. Not likely.

[NanceGreggs]

52. So why hasn't he pushed ...

... for that "complete and thorough investigation"?

[Live and Learn]

58. He is busy discussing issues. Have you ever seen anyone work so hard? He's amazing. nt

[senz]

61. Why ask me? This is between Hill, the DNC, the vendor, and Bernie.

For all we know, legal action is proceeding behind the scenes. Or may they may have agreed to drop it.

But last any of us saw, he was pursuing an investigation and she was backing away.

[cui bono]

63. He has. He filed a lawsuit. He's not Superman ffs. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

74. I'm not understanding ...

... why Mister "I have been wronged" Sanders isn't putting forward any facts as to how he has been wronged.

[cui bono]

79. Do you not know what a lawsuit is? It is a legal avenue to do just that.

Please tell me you are just being purposely obtuse. You can't possibly not understand this.

.

[NanceGreggs]

88. Having been a court reporter for 30-plus years ...

... I believe I am aware of what a lawsuit is.

I am also aware that BS has yet to state how he was wronged by anyone. When you initiate a lawsuit in the midst of a political campaign, saying "wait until this gets to court" is not a viable option.

Either BS has the grounds for a legitimate lawsuit or he doesn't. Which is it?

[cui bono]

121. He has stated it and news articles have stated it. DWS barred his campaign's access

to the lists. It impaired his ability to run his campaign efficiently.

You are just being purposefully obtuse or else you need to stop arguing on subjects you are ignorant about.

Listen to that interview I posted. It is a supporter and friend of Hillary's saying how DWS screwed the debate schedule up and the firewall issue. He doesn't go into it in detail but he states his thoughts.

.

[senz]

87. Well for one thing, he's not a drama queen.

He doesn't play those games; those are Hillary games.

See what you can look forward to if Hill wins the nom and GE? A dramatic White House. An uproar a day! At least it wouldn't be boring, right?

[NanceGreggs]

92. I would debate who's being the "drama queen" ...

... in this primary campaign. But given DU's 85% to 90% make up, I'd just be inviting a "hide"by a jury of BS supporters, wouldn't I?

[senz]

102. Possibly, but it might be interesting to hear sometime.

I'm too sleepy to continue.

[NanceGreggs]

109. Well, there's all kinds of things ...

... you'll never "hear" on DU - because the 85% of BS supporters here are in control of what gets said what gets hidden.

So whatever you "hear" is always going to be what one group of people have to say.

Maybe you're happy with that. Most people aren't - which explains DU's current lack of traffic.

[Live and Learn]

53. I'm sure Nancy is well aware. Perhpas she is scared to admit it because of 'the contract' too.

[NanceGreggs]

108. The contract?

Sweet Jesus, is this another one of those CT theories?

[Live and Learn]

113. Yes, all contracts are conspiracy theories, especially if Hillary signed it.

[NanceGreggs]

81. Well, if he has nothing to hide ...

... why hasn't he come forward with the "facts" that prove he's been wronged?

And how does he explain firing staffers who were completely innocent of wrongdoing?

[Live and Learn]

114. I am sure it will all come out in the lawsuit. Unless, the DNC settles.... tn

[Voice for Peace]

73. Nance Greggs I thought you had some journalistic integrity.

There was no evidence of theft by Sanders' campaign.

50-50 speculation of theft by/from both sides; w a bonus smokescreen/panick attack from DWS. Never proof of any theft.

Has lying come back by popular demand?

[NanceGreggs]

93. So Bernie fired three of his campaign staff ...

... despite there being "no evidence" of any wrongdoing on their part?

Is that really your final answer?

[Live and Learn]

116. Putting yourself at risk of perception of impropriety. We still have that wording at my workplace.

I guess you don't care about that. Hillary certainly never did. But then, rules don't really apply to the rich do they?

[Live and Learn]

115. Those were the good old days. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. Henry Kissinger cares!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[NanceGreggs]

15. Perfect non sequitur. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Tell that to Henry Kissinger!

[NanceGreggs]

17. Kissinger has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

I just point that out, because you obviously haven't noticed.

[Live and Learn]

24. Why wouldn't he care? He's Hillary's good friend? nt

[NanceGreggs]

25. This discussion thread ...

... is about Hillary releasing speech transcripts. So why is Kissinger being brought up - other than to change the topic?

[Live and Learn]

28. That was the original (OP) thread. This is a sub-thread about Kissinger. Lost? nt

[NanceGreggs]

31. Not lost at all.

It seems rather obvious why BS supporters constantly want/need to change the subject.

[Live and Learn]

34. Did you just get Bernie supporters mixed up with Hillary? Flip/Flop!!!! nt

[senz]

50. The title is about Live and Learn missing the debate. The transcripts are a subtitle.

[NanceGreggs]

67. Oh, see.

So this whole thread is about someone missing the debate?

What would the point of such a thread be? Are we all meant to opine on the fact that someone missed the debate?

What are we supposed to say? "Sorry you missed it"?

The OP includes a reference to HRC releasing transcripts. Are we supposed to ignore that? If so, why was it posted as part of the OP?

[Live and Learn]

72. You are still replying in the wrong place. This is the Kissinger sub-thread.

It really isn't that hard. I am sure you CAN get it if you try.

[senz]

83. Oh it's so easy to get lost in all these threads and subthreads.

There may very well be old DUers still wandering around in earlier versions of the website...

[Live and Learn]

85. We should give them some leeway then.

[NanceGreggs]

99. Thread title ...

... "I missed the debate. Did Hillary agree to release her transcipts during it?"

If deflection away from that topic was not deemed necessary, a sub-thread changing the topic would also not have been deemed necessary.

[Live and Learn]

106. Then, why did you join the sub-thread? nt

[2pooped2pop]

119. I imagine the whole transcript would be

A gotcha moment which is why we will never see them. A corporation does not pat anyone to come and tell them to cut it out.
They pay you to come make a positive speech on them so that they can put some money in to your account so that it looks legit.

[dreamnightwind]

10. If she gets around to it

Here, I'll help her out:

[Live and Learn]

75. LOL I'm sure that will help. nt

[cui bono]

14. Oh yeah, they were scrolling across the screen as they debated.

Then anonymous hacked her teleprompter and she started reading one of them to the crowd.

.

[Live and Learn]

19. ROFL That would have been great. Thanks for the laugh. nt

[senz]

103. lol, I wish.

[Purveyor]

18. Ohhhh pfffttt...

[Live and Learn]

20. Was that her answer? Again? Seems a bit robotic to me. Always the same script.

[cui bono]

29. Does she need Head & Shoulders shampoo?

Cuz I see her doing that A LOT.



.

[chillfactor]

26. has Bernie released his?

no? didn't think so.

[cui bono]

27. Does anyone think he said anything 'improper' to anyone?

No? Didn't think so.

.

[Hekate]

43. Actually, the more his campaign "mistakes" pile up, the more we want to know what he knows...

....about these things, and when he knew it.

You just keep pushing that bogus meme about Hillary, and you might find a startling amount of pushback.

JURY: Post is in context of thread about Hillary's "transcripts of speeches," and whether this nonissue should have been inserted into the debate tonight. Some of us have been asking for Bernie's records to be released simultaneously -- indeed for ALL candidates, especially GOP, but the focus always comes back to just the one Democrat. It seems relevant to mention that there might be pushback.

[cui bono]

55. I can see by your note to the jury that you don't understand why people want her transcripts.

It's because she got paid a LOT of money to make those speeches. She got paid by Goldman Sachs and the health insurance industry mostly. They play a large part in the problems of this country. Remember the crash in 2007 that we are still recovering from? Now, there is talk of regulating banks better, there is talk of breaking them up. This talk is not coming from Hillary, it's coming from Bernie.

Hillary has shown in the past that donations can sway her 'opinion' on issues/bills (bankruptcy bill for one). So it stands to reason that these extremely large amounts of money are being paid for a reason. Therefore, we would like to know what she said in those speeches to them. Especially after that comment she made about... something about it's not fair that they get all the blame and the people who got foreclosed on get none. It's important for voters to know if the money will buy them influence. Generally people give money to politicians they know will carry their water.

Now, you mention "ALL candidates, especially GOP". Why do you even bring up GOP candidates? This is a Democratic Primary happening now. It doesn't matter what the GOP said, unless of course you want to deflect from HRC's speech content and make up a non-sense reason why she won't release her transcripts. Any GOP speech transcripts are a non-issue at this point, so for her to make that excuse that she will do it if ALL candidates do it is incredibly lame and insulting to the American people.

Some of us have been asking for Bernie's records to be released simultaneously

What records of Bernie's are you asking to be released? Speech transcripts? You mean like the ones where he made just over $1800 dollars (no, I didn't miss any zeroes) and donated that money to charity? What kind of influence do you think zero money can buy? That is a complete non-issue.

.

[Hekate]

71. ALL candidates on BOTH sides -- or none. Otherwise it's just Benghazi all over again...

....an endless fishing expedition aimed at taking down just one person.

JURY: This is my personal opinion, for which I believe there is some basis -- but my opinion nonetheless.

[Live and Learn]

80. What make you think Bernie has transcripts? I don't think his ego would have called for them.

Hillary's did. Let's just call for all transcripts that were made.

[Hekate]

95. How can we possibly know the truth of that unless we examine his life with a fine tooth comb?

As for "ego" determining the existence of transcripts -- those are simply the notes one speaks from. I'm active in my own community, and in teaching classes, speaking before the County Board of Supervisors, the School Board, and Veterans' groups, I use prepared notes. They ensure that I cover all the points I want to cover (did I remember to say thank you?) and that I don't ramble past my allotted time. I add pencil marks to pace my delivery.

It's not a big thing and it's not a mystery.

Bernie does ramble -- extensively. He repeats himself often. Perhaps he never uses prepared notes. I don't know. How can we know unless we demand that he produce them?

We need all his emails relating to the data breach as well. That business with the campaign staffers who pretended to be union members and/or hotel employees to gain unauthorized access -- there's got to be an electronic trail of how that idea was hatched. It's critically important that the American people know all of this, get to read the raw material, so that we can judge for ourselves.

It's time to demand this information from Bernie in the name of transparency. If he is innocent, then he has nothing to fear from this exposure.

JURY: This is a discussion. I am illustrating a point for comparison, not accusing anybody of anything.

[Live and Learn]

98. Speaking of rambling.... nt

[Hekate]

101. Good insight. Must be your bedtime.

JURY: That there is a DU smilie.

[Live and Learn]

107. Must be past yours. nt

[cui bono]

82. You are so wrong. What is it that you don't understand about how the primary process works?

If you tell me perhaps I can explain this in a better way so that you will understand it.

In the primary each party runs against only people from the same party. So it makes no difference what the other party candidate's are beholden to at this time. We only have to choose from the Dems now. Besides, we already know the GOP are all puppets.

.

[Live and Learn]

77. +10,000 nt

[Live and Learn]

65. Only Hillary HAS ADMITTED to multiple 'mistakes' like the IWR, private email server,

taking donations from Super-Pacs, taking huge sums of money to increase her personal wealth for speaking fees to bankers, throwing people off of welfare and into the streets or prison, hallucinating bullets being shot at her, calling the women that accused her husband of illegal acts liars, taking money from private prisons and supporting not so free trade agreements.

Oops, she didn't even admit that all of those were 'little mistakes', just the killing hundreds thousands from her IWR vote, using a private server for classified emails and her hallucinations.

[Hekate]

78. Bring back the ducking stool! I'm sure that will induce her to tell the "truth."

JURY: I'm being ironic again. If 11 hours in front of the Benghazi Committee didn't break her will, perhaps the old trial for witches will do so.

[Live and Learn]

84. See, you are mistaken again. Bernie and his supporters are aginst torture, Hillary on the otherhand,

I can't vouch for.

[Live and Learn]

30. Try reading the thread. That was already discussed but thanks for your input. nt

[DefenseLawyer]

110. Members of Congress can't take honoraria

So I'm not sure what paid speeches by Senator Sanders you would be talking about. I think that's what is called a red herring.

[senz]

35. She was on the attack for much of the debate

trying to pit Bernie against Obama several times, and Ted Kennedy once, while portraying herself as their bosom buddy allies (perhaps forgetting her Clintonian outrage at Ted's 2008 endorsement of Obama and her current awkward, brittle pretense of camaraderie with the President.) None of it made sense, rang true, or was in any way factual; it was all gratuitous insinuation and accusation delivered with big smiles, as though she were having the time of her life. Bernie was caught off guard and, as is often the case with him when faced with pure malice and/or dishonesty from someone he considers a colleague, he was momentarily speechless with surprise -- which seemed to delight her. She was a real charmer.

Bernie was, as always, too polite. After her final round of baseless accusations of Bernie's so-called offenses against Obama, Bernie could only mention that "only one person here has ever run against Obama," at which point Hill stiffened at little, but then he left it at that. Any one of us could have filled in with her numerous verbal excoriations and racist insinuations against the President.

It was an oddly disjointed debate and I don't recall that Hill's million dollar "speeches" ever came up.

[Live and Learn]

86. I think the people find Bernies being 'too polite' as very refreshing. nt

[senz]

91. I think you're right

but then I love the guy.

[Live and Learn]

96. Most people that actually listen to him do.

[senz]

104. I hope he knows it.

He deserves to feel that good.

Okay, goodnight L&L.

[Live and Learn]

105. Yes, he does. gn & tc nt

[Lil Missy]

44. She will release her transcripts if it is required of ALL presidential candidates.

And, the only people who care about her damned speeches and their transcripts are Hillary Haters. It's a setup for a witch hunt by people who would never vote for her anyway.

Frankly, I think she should tell them to go piss up a rope.

[senz]

57. When you apply for the job of President, the American people are your desired employer.

Prospective employers have every right to know the job applicant's résumé. Hill's most recent job was as speech-giver; she did it for several years. We, as her prospective employer, have a right to know how she performed her duties. If she doesn't want us to know, then perhaps she should withdraw her application.

[Live and Learn]

89. And today's employers want access to all of your social media accounts. I, of course, disagree.

But I don't see Hillary disagreeing with the practice. Bernie has refuted it.

[cui bono]

66. There is no logical reason for that. We are in a Democratic Primary.

What on earth does the GOP have to do with any of this?

Now even though you just lost the argument by saying:

And, the only people who care about her damned speeches and their transcripts are Hillary Haters.

I will still explain to you why that makes no sense.

Here, cut and pasted from another post of mine:

I can see by your note to the jury that you don't understand why people want her transcripts.

It's because she got paid a LOT of money to make those speeches. She got paid by Goldman Sachs and the health insurance industry mostly. They play a large part in the problems of this country. Remember the crash in 2007 that we are still recovering from? Now, there is talk of regulating banks better, there is talk of breaking them up. This talk is not coming from Hillary, it's coming from Bernie.

Hillary has shown in the past that donations can sway her 'opinion' on issues/bills (bankruptcy bill for one). So it stands to reason that these extremely large amounts of money are being paid for a reason. Therefore, we would like to know what she said in those speeches to them. Especially after that comment she made about... something about it's not fair that they get all the blame and the people who got foreclosed on get none. It's important for voters to know if the money will buy them influence. Generally people give money to politicians they know will carry their water.

Now, you mention "ALL candidates, especially GOP". Why do you even bring up GOP candidates? This is a Democratic Primary happening now. It doesn't matter what the GOP said, unless of course you want to deflect from HRC's speech content and make up a non-sense reason why she won't release her transcripts. Any GOP speech transcripts are a non-issue at this point, so for her to make that excuse that she will do it if ALL candidates do it is incredibly lame and insulting to the American people.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1210103

.

[Live and Learn]

90. I find your post quite sexist in many regards. nt

[silvershadow]

68. I think she is still waiting to hear back from herself. nt

[Live and Learn]

94. Must be an interesting conversation.

"I'll look into it"

"We Can't Do it."

"Cut it Out."

"That will never come to pass."

"It will never, ever, happen."

"I made a mistake"

[virtualobserver]

111. she agreed to release the first letter of the first word of the transcripts

in 30 days, then we get to ask for a vowel.

[Live and Learn]

112. LOL nt

[bigwillq]

117. Cut it out

[Live and Learn]

118. That will never come to pass.

Oops, should "I have quoted that? Does Hillary own all doom and gloom phrases now?