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boston bean

(36,222 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:50 AM Feb 2016

Bernie has had bad things to say about many Democratic Presidents and Nominees

It's not just Bill Clinton and Barack Obama

1) JFK made him literally sick.
2) Mondale would have made a terrible president, even though he campaigned for him.
3) Jesse Jackson was no good cause he tried to work within the system

There is definitely a pattern. Hillary ought to bring it up on the campaign trail.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech#.yqoRYl6aR

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Bernie has had bad things to say about many Democratic Presidents and Nominees (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2016 OP
So have many of us Democrats. Orsino Feb 2016 #1
I'm sure blasting all that from the rooftops would be a winning GE campaign! boston bean Feb 2016 #2
Iconoclasty is very much in the air this season. Orsino Feb 2016 #9
So many Americans are fed-up with politics as usual. earthside Feb 2016 #38
+1. Orsino Feb 2016 #88
Good! Like most, we welcome advice from family and friends, whether it's good, bad, solicited or not TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #108
I barely recognize most of my Party Leaders as Democrats these days. Kittycat Feb 2016 #3
That's a lot of dislike going back a lot of decades. It isn't something new his is spouting. boston bean Feb 2016 #5
Bernie isn`t in the Democratic Party to support the Establishment Elites. democrank Feb 2016 #10
A warped view, imho. boston bean Feb 2016 #17
Change IS possible from within. democrank Feb 2016 #25
I believe it was Goldwater that wrote in criticism of the effectiveness of the radical Liberal Kittycat Feb 2016 #47
Bernie only joined... quickesst Feb 2016 #28
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #87
He channels a REAL progressive Democrat like FDR far more than Clinton has been... cascadiance Feb 2016 #98
That's fine quickesst Feb 2016 #106
This entire thread can be characterized thusly. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #111
May be... quickesst Feb 2016 #112
He could be for the people as he always has.... fun n serious Feb 2016 #104
You do really make a lot of absurd posts. You are grasping at straws. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #27
Oh, Hillary had bad things to say about Obama. But that's okay, right? djean111 Feb 2016 #4
So? daleanime Feb 2016 #6
Really I don't think for most people assassinated, beloved President JFK made people boston bean Feb 2016 #8
Most people assassinated.... daleanime Feb 2016 #20
No, I don't think you are evil. And don't you worry, when Hillary wins, boston bean Feb 2016 #23
Wait a minute. bvf Feb 2016 #30
+1 deutsey Feb 2016 #31
and.... boston bean Feb 2016 #33
Do tell, then. bvf Feb 2016 #65
There is no need for you to speak about a fellow member of our board in such disparaging terms: DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #34
What reflects poorly on this forum is the subterfuge the OP specializes in n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #43
We should be able to discuss the topic and not each other. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #48
Community? whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #56
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #62
You got me whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #68
Romanes eunt domus bvf Feb 2016 #71
As an empathetic person I rather have you attack me. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #73
Gee, that's swell. bvf Feb 2016 #89
Any time you feel the need DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #90
And to think Providence delivered you here. bvf Feb 2016 #94
+1 whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #40
Spot on. farleftlib Feb 2016 #42
I don't know what's so hard about this EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #36
Well, I guess we would have to ask Sanders how he feels about JFK in response to those boston bean Feb 2016 #39
This has already been posted numerous times just in this thread, EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #44
Here is the quote: boston bean Feb 2016 #50
Again with the black & white EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #53
Again, it is you who are attempting to paint my words as black and white. boston bean Feb 2016 #57
It's probably easier to go with, "it's silly season" Kittycat Feb 2016 #75
Do you prefer blind allegiance? Broward Feb 2016 #7
I prefer some actual action not just yelling from the side lines. boston bean Feb 2016 #12
Like, say, running in that party's primary? (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
The Iraq war was actual policy that was very possible. Clinton voted on it. Yay, Possible Policy!! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #78
You have every right to base your vote on whatever issue it is you would like. boston bean Feb 2016 #81
I know. I also like reminding people of our candidate's past votes. So thanks! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #82
Merica!!!! UglyGreed Feb 2016 #14
And NOW, he claims to BE a Democrat liberal N proud Feb 2016 #11
Many people UglyGreed Feb 2016 #16
Wit their career depending on it? liberal N proud Feb 2016 #83
And those who are endorsing Hillary UglyGreed Feb 2016 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Feb 2016 #97
do you think that it would have been better dana_b Feb 2016 #96
No Independent Thought Allowed. Karmadillo Feb 2016 #13
They've scoured the Interwebs, folks! CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #15
Next up! Susie from grade school says that he was mean and pulled her pig tails! JonLeibowitz Feb 2016 #80
Oh no my God someone is being honest! NOT THAT! pinebox Feb 2016 #18
"Hillary ought to bring it up on the campaign trail." cyberswede Feb 2016 #19
I believe it would show a history of how entrenched this guy is and how he boston bean Feb 2016 #24
Disliking someone (or disagreeing with their views) isn't a conspiracy. cyberswede Feb 2016 #46
It is a pattern of his all knowingness that is a real turn off. boston bean Feb 2016 #70
I don't get an "all-knowingness" vibe from him at all. cyberswede Feb 2016 #74
Hillary has enough skeletons in her own closet to worry about Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #110
I agree along with Sanders surrogate Cornell West uponit7771 Feb 2016 #21
So what? Should Bernie talk about all the good things Hillary said about Goldwater on the jillan Feb 2016 #22
19yr old college students say a lot even when they couldn't vote..... Historic NY Feb 2016 #35
And what did he say about Republican presidents? hobbit709 Feb 2016 #26
I smell desperation in the air. libtodeath Feb 2016 #29
It's becoming rather pungent n/t deutsey Feb 2016 #32
No critics allowed, eh? You keep pushing this nonsense on her behalf, it is pathetic Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #37
No critics are allowed. That is what is happening right here in this thread. nt boston bean Feb 2016 #41
I don't see anyone stopping you. I do see an OP based on an appeal to authority as if Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #45
Really? And who do you base yours on, Bernies authority?? boston bean Feb 2016 #55
You keep missing the obvious, either intentionally or not.. but regardless. Your OP's premise is Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #69
I agree, Bernie is a critic. Like a movie critic. boston bean Feb 2016 #72
He is not the one who has low ratings on trustworthiness. He is not the one with strong Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #77
Like I've said Bernie is really good at getting people to think boston bean Feb 2016 #79
Maybe you should look back at her trustworthy ratings before Bernie announced Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #85
Here I thought we were electing politicians. Not God-Kings. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #49
Good. bigwillq Feb 2016 #52
I've had criticisms of all Presidents. Not a one of them has been perfect, even Washington. merrily Feb 2016 #54
This OP is akin to whining AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #58
Well, this OP was a critique of Bernie. If the response to it we are seeing here is also boston bean Feb 2016 #60
That's a pisspoor attempt at projection AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #61
I felt the same way. boston bean Feb 2016 #63
Me too. For 45 years as a Dem. That's democracy. Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #59
"3) Jesse Jackson was no good cause he tried to work within the system" Jarqui Feb 2016 #64
I guess the question is, does Sanders now feel differently? boston bean Feb 2016 #66
It was his only choice as he saw it. If he ran as an independent today, Jarqui Feb 2016 #76
Even life-long Democrats have had complaints. And we are ALLOWED to have them! flor-de-jasmim Feb 2016 #67
I don't believe that she BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #86
So have i. Do you have a point? seaotter Feb 2016 #91
Tattle to teacher about it. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #92
Wait, do you think you are arguing against Sanders? Funny! JackRiddler Feb 2016 #93
No one is beyond some criticism dana_b Feb 2016 #95
BERNIE SPEAKS TRUTH TO POWER1!1111111111!!!!! wyldwolf Feb 2016 #99
Not one quote in our OP, which means it is all characterizations and thus not so honest Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #100
So have I n/t Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #101
Oh she will, as she racks up more losses! morningfog Feb 2016 #102
I think it's disturbing how he us running as a democrat a party he has always despised. fun n serious Feb 2016 #103
A show on the ABC in Australia ran an episode of a news show called Planet America Number23 Feb 2016 #105
Fuck Ralph Nader. great white snark Feb 2016 #107
what idiot doesn't vote for somebody because they criticized another politician? m-lekktor Feb 2016 #109

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. Iconoclasty is very much in the air this season.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

Trump and the Republicans are the evil twins of Sanders' antiestablishment orientation.

We all want change, or say we do. Let's choose wisely.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
38. So many Americans are fed-up with politics as usual.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

"Iconoclasty is very much in the air."

Actually this is one of the things I and many other like about Sanders -- he isn't a "yellow dog" type Democrat (an individual who would vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican).

Hero or heroine worship is very common among hardcore, hack members of any political party, but it is rather juvenile as a historical perspective.

There is plenty to about Pres. Kennedy, Walter Mondale, and Jesse Jackson to criticize -- someone like Sanders who has been in the public arena for over a half century and who is an independent thinker is going to express his opinions.

I like that. It stands in contrast to what the Clintons and the Democratic Party establishment are clearly trying to do right now -- intimidate and threaten everybody to get in line, follow orders and march-in-step with The Inevitable One.

Huzzahs for the iconoclastic and bold thinking of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders!

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
108. Good! Like most, we welcome advice from family and friends, whether it's good, bad, solicited or not
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

.


This isn't the TV show entourage where everyone is trying to suck up to the celebrity.


.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
3. I barely recognize most of my Party Leaders as Democrats these days.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
Feb 2016

So what is your point? We can never have differences or speak out against them?

And do you mean This Jesse Jackson?

http://www.thenation.com/article/watch-when-bernie-sanders-endorsed-jesse-jackson-for-president/

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
5. That's a lot of dislike going back a lot of decades. It isn't something new his is spouting.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

It's an outlook that I think many would reject. I don't think most people have his view about these leaders. And his continued similar attacks shows a lack of growth on his part.

That JFK was a liberal and is what turned him off to liberalism and the Democratic Party...

That Walter Mondale would have made a 'terrible president'...

And yes, I mean that Jesse Jackson, who Sanders criticizes for working within the Democratic Party for change.


I mean, what the hell is he doing in a party that he can't stand?!?

democrank

(11,098 posts)
10. Bernie isn`t in the Democratic Party to support the Establishment Elites.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

He`s in it for the people.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
17. A warped view, imho.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
Feb 2016

I guess now Bernie believes change is possible from within that evil Democratic Party, and Jesse was right?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
47. I believe it was Goldwater that wrote in criticism of the effectiveness of the radical Liberal
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

The effectiveness of the Radical Liberal Approach to politics. Hillary should remember that take note. This is how change happens. We pull to the left from the grassroots/bottom up, while leadership kicks and screams. If not, or we apathetic or complacent, we go backwards to the right. Status quo isn't progress, that's how we slip back, eroding away a little at a time, until something worse happens. We still haven't recovered from the bailout - and I'm not sure we ever will. But we have to turn our attention back to us, to the people. Not the wars, not the corporations, not the billionaires campaign financiers. It's time to focus on and rebuild this country.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
28. Bernie only joined...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

... The Democratic Party as a means to an end. In doing so, I see less confidence in the man, and more in the label. Without that label, he would already be dust in the wind.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
98. He channels a REAL progressive Democrat like FDR far more than Clinton has been...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

Nuff said!

He speaks for our values, which by far IS the most important for most of us in choosing a leader this election. We aren't just cheering for the local football team because they're there!

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
106. That's fine
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:13 PM
Feb 2016

I was stating my opinion of what I believe is the absolute truth. You will not sway me, and I will not sway you, so here we are until it is done.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
111. This entire thread can be characterized thusly.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:35 PM
Feb 2016

You have your candidate, I have mine, the rest is just pre-game posturing, at least the parts of the thread I've seen so far.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
112. May be...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Feb 2016

... and I will include most threads in GDP , but it does make for an anticipated and intriguing contest when the horns are finally locked.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. You do really make a lot of absurd posts. You are grasping at straws.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:16 AM
Feb 2016

All evidence shows you are wrong, yet you keep posting nonsense.

What the hell was he doing caucusing with and voting with the Democrats in congress for decades if he "can't stand" them? Are you a fool or do you try to mislead people as a general rule?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Oh, Hillary had bad things to say about Obama. But that's okay, right?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

And she would say bad things about him right now, if that is what she thought it would take to get votes.

In any event, there is literally nothing Bernie can say or has said in the past that would persuade me to support Hillary, because of war, cluster bombs, the TPP, fracking, wanting to send kids back into danger to teach a lesson, increased H-1B visas - you know, issues that affect people in a bad way.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
6. So?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Feb 2016

I have had bad things to say about many Democratic Presidents and Nominees, it's called being 'Honest'. You might want to look it up.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
8. Really I don't think for most people assassinated, beloved President JFK made people
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
Feb 2016

sick. He said this in the 80's.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
20. Most people assassinated....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

are dead? Not really sure what that's suppose to be. But I do know that you consider Bernie to be EVIL, which is fine because you think that I'm EVIL too. No problem, I'll still fight for your rights in addition to everyone else's. To me that's what a democrat is. So make sure you have a lovely day.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
23. No, I don't think you are evil. And don't you worry, when Hillary wins,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:11 AM
Feb 2016

she will support you!

have a lovely one yourself!

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
30. Wait a minute.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
Feb 2016

From the link:


Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution [...] was so strong."


Sanders did not say Kennedy made him "literally sick," any more than my saying your post is idiotic (it is) is the same as my calling you an idiot.

And what the holy fuck does the fact that Kennedy was assassinated have to do with anything?

Grow up.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
33. and....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:20 AM
Feb 2016
“But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant.”


Really, that is very telling.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. There is no need for you to speak about a fellow member of our board in such disparaging terms:
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

There is no need for you to speak about a fellow member of our board in such disparaging terms:


bvf
30. Wait a minute.
View profile
From the link:

Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution was so strong."


Sanders did not say Kennedy made him "literally sick," any more than my saying your post is idiotic (it is) is the same as my calling you an idiot.

And what the holy fuck does the fact that Kennedy was assassinated have to do with anything?

Grow up.


It reflects poorly on every member of our community.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
48. We should be able to discuss the topic and not each other.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

By doing that we raise ourselves and our community.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
62. Res ipsa loquitur
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016
Community?

I thought this was a political forum.




Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
68. You got me
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:48 AM
Feb 2016

I forgot about that disturbing section of the TOS. They can call it what they like, but if this is a "community" it's the most fractured and dysfunctional ever.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
73. As an empathetic person I rather have you attack me.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

Less time for you to attack other members of our community.

Actually, my service is twofold. I am giving you an opportunity for catharsis while protecting the more vulnerable members of our community.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
90. Any time you feel the need
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

Any time you feel the need to attack another member of our community you can attack me. My raison d'etre is to protect those who are vulnerable. I believe it is why I was placed on this earth.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
36. I don't know what's so hard about this
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

I can respect and honor someone while at the same time disagreeing with some things they do.

And here I thought only republicans saw everything in black & white.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
39. Well, I guess we would have to ask Sanders how he feels about JFK in response to those
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Feb 2016

statements.

I suppose being who he is, he will continue on with his line of thinking. That most people in this country would disagree with.

Also, listen, people in this country don't think Castro is a good leader. They realize presidents and politicians make mistakes. They aren't as entrenched in this ideology that Sanders spouts, which is thinking everyone in power is corrupt, BUT HIM!

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
44. This has already been posted numerous times just in this thread,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Feb 2016

but I'll say it once more because it doesn't seem to be getting through. He didn't say JFK "made him literally sick". He said JFK's policies towards the Cubans made him nauseated. It says there right in the article you posted. The way the article title - and you - reworded what he said is disingenuous.

Guess what? They made me nauseated too. Also, our 60 year embargo against Cuba - because COMMIES!! - has made me nauseated. There, I said it. Do I hate JFK too now?

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
50. Here is the quote:
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016
Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was “physically nauseated” by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy’s “hatred for the Cuban Revolution […] was so strong.”

“Kennedy was young and appealing and ostensibly liberal,” Sanders reminisced in a 1987 interview with The Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont. “But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant.”


Second, most people would agree that Fidel Castro rules with an iron fist against political dissent. Yet, Sanders thought he transformational for bringing free healthcare and education to Cuba.

Sanders is a one note instrument. He's been trumpeting the same rhetoric for 45 years. Has done nothing to change a thing but complain and point fingers at people who worked hard and did good things and served this country well.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
53. Again with the black & white
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

free healthcare and education: GOOD

iron fist: BAD

There, now was that so hard?

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
57. Again, it is you who are attempting to paint my words as black and white.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:39 AM
Feb 2016

When listening to Sanders on this subject, he states the people of Cuba didn't revolt because Fidel was good to them in those ways.

When in fact, we KNOW it is because he squashed political dissent with an iron fist.

This man has very little understanding of these issue, but holds high bars for everyone but himself.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
75. It's probably easier to go with, "it's silly season"
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

Because really, Goldman Sachs = good. Criticizing leaders, bad. Right?

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
12. I prefer some actual action not just yelling from the side lines.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

I would prefer actual policy that was possible.

I truly find his rhetoric to be nothing but anger, with little record of actual change, proposed legislation, and success.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
81. You have every right to base your vote on whatever issue it is you would like.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

Remember Bernie voted for the 2001 AUMF that to this very days allows military intervention around the world. NOT limited to Afghanistan.

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
83. Wit their career depending on it?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

It would be like saying shitty things about a company then going and asking for job.

FAIL!

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
84. And those who are endorsing Hillary
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

may be doing the exact same thing...... don't wanna be on the wrong side if she wins.............. Thanks for helping prove that point

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #83)

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
96. do you think that it would have been better
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

if he had NOT become a Democrat and continued running as an independent all the way up to the GE against Hillary and whomever the Repubs nominate?

I ask this because I think that if that had happened, it would have guaranteed a Repub president. Many people who will now vote for the Democratic nominee (whoever that will be) WOULD have voted for Bernie. Not a huge number maybe, but enough to throw the election to the Repubs.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
15. They've scoured the Interwebs, folks!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:03 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Clinton's crack oppo-research adventurers have found three Bernie Sanders quotes in which he is offering up his thoughts and criticisms of Democratic politicians.

Dear God, the horrors!

So desperate, that they went all the way back to...1987?

We all knew the kitchen sink was coming--but who knew it would be three decades old, made of formica and avocado green!

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
80. Next up! Susie from grade school says that he was mean and pulled her pig tails!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

And he said girls had cooties too.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
18. Oh no my God someone is being honest! NOT THAT!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

God forbid someone is telling the American truth & being honest!
Imagine that! An honest politician!
You know who isn't?
Ya 67% of American's see Hillary as untrustworthy. I can't for the life of me figure out why. Wait! I know, maybe this is it!

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
19. "Hillary ought to bring it up on the campaign trail."
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

I don't think that would help her. It looks desperate.

Lots of politicians are mealy-mouthed equivocators; Sanders expresses his honest opinion.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
24. I believe it would show a history of how entrenched this guy is and how he
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

has the same angry conspiratorial rhetoric for 45 years.

JFK didn't make most American physically sick.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
46. Disliking someone (or disagreeing with their views) isn't a conspiracy.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Feb 2016

You might be surprised how many people identify with Sanders' views on a lot of things - especially when they feel TPTB don't relate to their everyday lives.

JFK didn't make me sick, but I don't really care if he made someone else sick. It's just a difference of opinion.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
70. It is a pattern of his all knowingness that is a real turn off.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

He is always right. Everyone else is corrupt. No one speaks truth but him. It must be real nice to throw that shit at other people, while all the time doing pretty much NOTHING to make anything better. When others he holds in contempt have actually done the hard work and know what it's like to get things done, even if incrementally.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
74. I don't get an "all-knowingness" vibe from him at all.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:56 AM
Feb 2016

I get the impression that he has strong opinions that he has held for decades. I don't think he's always right (and I don't think he thinks so, either), and I don't read his criticisms as saying "everyone else is corrupt."

I also disagree that he's done pretty much nothing to make anything better.

~In 1992, Congress passes Sanders' first signed piece of legislation to create the National Program of Cancer Registries. All 50 states now run registries to help cancer researchers gain important insights.

~Voted against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement, which we now know sent millions of American jobs overseas.

~Sanders is one of only 67 votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. It took 17 years to overturn this Act.

~Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.

~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees.

~About 10 years before the 2008 Wall Street crash spins the world economy into a massive recession, Sanders votes "no" on a bill to undo decades of financial regulations enacted after the Great Depression. The House passed the bill 362-57 over Sanders' objection.

~Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. "All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms," Sanders says at the time.

~Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could "result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism." We now know that that war was one of the worst foreign policy decisions in our history.

~Sanders passes an amendment in the House to stop the government from obtaining library and book-buying records on Americans.

~Sanders defeats Vermont's richest man, Rich Tarrant, to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Sanders, running as an Independent, is endorsed by the Vermont Democratic Party and supported by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

~Sanders' authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. He later secures $3.2 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for the grant program.

~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program funding doubles, helping millions of low-income Americans heat their homes in winter.

~Sanders works with Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to pass an amendment to an economic recovery bill preventing Wall Street banks that take taxpayer bailouts from replacing laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.

~Sanders passes language in the Affordable Care Act to allow states to apply for waivers to implement pilot health care systems by 2017. The legislation allows states to adopt more comprehensive systems to cover more people at lower costs.

~In 2010, President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans. Another $1.5 billion from a Sanders provision went to the National Health Service Corps for scholarships and loan repayment for doctors and nurses who practice in underserved communities.

~Sanders works with Republican Congressman Ron Paul in the House to pass a measure as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill to audit the Federal Reserve, revealing how the independent agency gave $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans to big banks and businesses after the 2008 economic collapse.

~In 2012, he becomes Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.

~Sanders, backed by seniors, women, veterans, labor unions and disabled Americans leads a successful effort to stop a "chained-CPI" proposal supported by Congressional Republicans and the Administration to cut Social Security and disabled veterans' benefits.

~Sanders introduces legislation to break up major Wall Street banks so large that the collapse of one could send the overall economy into a downward spiral.

~A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama.

~In 2015, Sanders takes over as ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, using the platform to fight for his economic agenda for the American middle class.

~Sanders votes against the Keystone XL pipeline which would allow multinational corporation TransCanada to transport dirty tar sands oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.

~Both the NAACP and the NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate. Earns a D- from the NRA.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately

jillan

(39,451 posts)
22. So what? Should Bernie talk about all the good things Hillary said about Goldwater on the
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:10 AM
Feb 2016

campaign trail?

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
35. 19yr old college students say a lot even when they couldn't vote.....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

appears BS couldn't even find anyone to vote for except himself. I imagine he has quite a history himself.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
37. No critics allowed, eh? You keep pushing this nonsense on her behalf, it is pathetic
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Feb 2016

as it suggests an appeal to authority and that should not be embraced in a democracy.

Did Obama make an appeal to Conyers, yea he did, b/c politicians in power do not
like criticism..duh. The intentions of your OP is comprised of bullshit.

President Obama told me to stop ‘demeaning’ him, says Rep. Conyers

In an interview with The Hill, Conyers said his opinions of Obama’s policies on healthcare reform and the war in Afghanistan have not sat well with the president.

According to the lawmaker, the president picked up the phone several weeks ago to find out why Conyers was “demeaning” him.

Obama’s decision to challenge Conyers highlights a sensitivity to criticism the president has taken on the left. Conyers’s critical remarks, many of which have been reported on the liberal-leaning Huffington Post, appear to have irritated the president, known for his calm demeanor.

Conyers, the second-longest-serving member of the House, said, “[Obama] called me and told me that he heard that I was demeaning him and I had to explain to him that it wasn’t anything personal, it was an honest difference on the issues. And he said, ‘Well, let’s talk about it.’”

Sitting in the Judiciary Committee’s conference room two days after Obama delivered his speech on Afghanistan, the 23-term lawmaker said he wasn’t in the mood to “chat.”

Obama’s move to send in 30,000 troops to Afghanistan by the summer of 2010 has clearly disappointed Conyers.

He said he intends to press his case in writing soon.

“I want something so serious that he has to respond in writing, like I am responding in writing to him,” he said.

“Calling in generals and admirals to discuss troop strength is like me taking my youngest to McDonald’s to ask if he likes french fries,” Conyers said.

Many on the left have argued that military leaders routinely respond to crises by calling for more troops.

“I’ve been saying I don’t agree with him on Afghanistan, I think he screwed up on healthcare reform, on Guantánamo and kicking Greg off,” Conyers said, referring to the departure of former White House counsel Greg Craig.

Craig was a leading proponent in the White House of closing the terrorist detention center at Guantánamo Bay and releasing photos of detainees undergoing torture. Closing the military prison has proven to be politically difficult, and Obama reversed field on the photos, opting not to make them publicly available.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment for this article.


The liberal Conyers has been an outspoken proponent of a single-payer healthcare system and a critic of U.S. involvement in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

He has also been at odds with White House policy on extending expiring provisions of the Patriot Act, crafting legislation that is to the left of the Senate’s version.

Obama and Conyers have a complicated and nuanced relationship.


Conyers was the first member of the Congressional Black Caucus to endorse Obama over then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.

Conyers earlier this year noted that he spent most weekends in 2007 and 2008 on the campaign trail trying to get Obama elected.

“I did whatever was necessary to be done to win. I met with ministers, I met with unions, I met with lawyers, I met with community activists, I met with healthcare people,” Conyers explained in early April.

The 80-year-old lawmaker, who participated in the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King Jr., does not shy away from saying what is on his mind.

in full: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/71075-conyers-obama-told-me-to-stop-demeaning-him

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
45. I don't see anyone stopping you. I do see an OP based on an appeal to authority as if
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Feb 2016

no members of the Democratic Party has ever taken Obama to task in a public way.

You post, people respond..your OP has zero merit if one wants and respects a
functioning democracy...no Kings allowed.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
55. Really? And who do you base yours on, Bernies authority??
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016

Some people really ought to take a look in the mirror.

The guy has done nothing in 45 years but repeat the same stump speech. Very little accomplished legislatively after decades. Harshly criticizing people who share the same goals and have actually made differences.

Bernie's the best though! Bernie is the best!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
69. You keep missing the obvious, either intentionally or not.. but regardless. Your OP's premise is
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

look at Bernie, he is a critic, period. I pointed out Obama has received in public
criticism of his policies by Democrats..THEY GET TO DO THAT in a functioning
democracy. You don't have to agree with their disagreements, but that is not
what you're doing here. All your OP says is, Bernie is a critic and that is BAD.

In addition, your claims about him are false, why is it we have such
difficulty getting anything done, because of Sanders or because of Republicans and lobby
money? Your OP is disingenuous at best, zero merit, quite frankly.

Reminder: Bernie Gets It Done:Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
snip* Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.

Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:

in full: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you



boston bean

(36,222 posts)
72. I agree, Bernie is a critic. Like a movie critic.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

Espousing harsh opinions.... He is really good at that. Holding that bar up real high where no one can get over it, because Bernie shouts they are CORRUPT.

I'm sorry, I am skeptical of all politicians, including Hillary. Do I believe every word she says, no. But what I do believe is the persons he is constantly criticizing for decades while elevating himself only, and setting bars that he would never have to even attempt to climb over, have done some real good for this country. While he has sat on the sidelines and thrown bombs and now gets credit for being that obstinate with the same message for over 40 years.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
77. He is not the one who has low ratings on trustworthiness. He is not the one with strong
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:02 PM
Feb 2016

ties to WS. There is significant corruption in US politics, that is why he
speaks to it all the time, it has only gone further off the edge after CU was
passed.

Politicians who are not the recipients of money from special interest groups
are ones best placed to fight against them..that is what the revolt is about,
not about getting "free stuff".

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
79. Like I've said Bernie is really good at getting people to think
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Feb 2016

he is the only one who is truthful. By bomb throwing criticisms against others, who actually have done the work and know what it takes to improve this country.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
85. Maybe you should look back at her trustworthy ratings before Bernie announced
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

he was running for president. I suggest she has a serious problem and blaming
the Republicans for it won't help us if she wins the nomination.

David Brock's not doing her any favors either on that score, even her side is beginning to
question his tactics.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
52. Good.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

All candidates deserve criticism. I applaud Bernie for speaking his mind. He may not always be right, but I applaud it still.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. I've had criticisms of all Presidents. Not a one of them has been perfect, even Washington.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Feb 2016


Maybe this is one of the many reasons Bernie's ratings on honesty and trustworthiness are so much higher than Hillary's

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
60. Well, this OP was a critique of Bernie. If the response to it we are seeing here is also
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

akin to the thin skin of a shrinking candidacy, Bernie ought to be very worried.

Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
64. "3) Jesse Jackson was no good cause he tried to work within the system"
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:43 AM
Feb 2016

Yeah so what did Bernie do about that terrible transgression when Jesse wouldn't run as an independent?

He endorsed & campaigned for him in 1984 and 1988 and delivered Vermont to Jesse in his primary.

And he was one of the few white guys who did so.

That's all.

What is this:"let's post as much horseshit as we can Day" ?

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
66. I guess the question is, does Sanders now feel differently?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:46 AM
Feb 2016

It's always nice to throw bombs from the sidelines with a holier than thou attitude like he has for decades.

But now, I suppose he feels that change is achievable within the system?

Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
76. It was his only choice as he saw it. If he ran as an independent today,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:58 AM
Feb 2016

he would risk splitting the liberal vote and giving the GOP the White House. Back then, that may not have been the case or he didn't think much the Dems running at the time.

Naturally, there's two sides to this spin as well and one side is conveniently overlooked:

Why did the Dems allow Bernie, an independent to run for the leadership of their party? I mean the DNC is certainly corrupt enough and in Hillary's pocket to have done something else. But no one wants to talk about that and take responsibility for that, do they.

Somehow Sanders, who unlike the deceitful flip-flopper he's up against, has been consistent on his policy positions for decades. So everybody knew exactly what Bernie was all about when they made the decision to allow him to run for the Democratic Party leadership.

Now, the big corporate folks who have given Bill & Hillary about $4 billion since they left the White House, are getting nervous that they may have blown a big wad of dough on a losing horse. And the guy who may win, unlike Hillary, can't be bought.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
67. Even life-long Democrats have had complaints. And we are ALLOWED to have them!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

If she brings it up on the campaign she will just look small. Stick to the issues!

 

seaotter

(576 posts)
91. So have i. Do you have a point?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:32 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary needs to tend to her own issues, such as trust, lies, double-speak.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
93. Wait, do you think you are arguing against Sanders? Funny!
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

That's right, the Democratic party in practice has been the lesser of two evils.

Lucky for the Democratic party that this is how the majority of the people in the United States see it. They are right. If it wasn't that way, it would never win at all.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
95. No one is beyond some criticism
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:34 PM
Feb 2016

People idolize JFK (some people in my own family, for instance) yet Vietnam? The Bay of Pigs?

No one.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
100. Not one quote in our OP, which means it is all characterizations and thus not so honest
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

but that's typical of the relentlessly negative DOMA branch of the Party.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
103. I think it's disturbing how he us running as a democrat a party he has always despised.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

Coddling to the DNC only when it suits him. Pathetic

Number23

(24,544 posts)
105. A show on the ABC in Australia ran an episode of a news show called Planet America
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

where they discuss the primary season. Link here http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/planet-america/NU1644H004S00#playing

The presenters did the usual thing talking about black vote, female vote etc. but one thing that was a huge segment was the fact that along with minorities, there is another group that Sanders has so far not won over: DEMOCRATS.

They recognized that Clinton has defeated Sanders among Democrats in both primaries so far and they placed his big victory in NH on the Republicans and indies. And they also made the comment that alot of this may have something to do with the fact that Sanders has only been a Democrat for a year.

So when you look at it, Sanders' issues with minority voters and other stalwart blocks of the Dem party makes alot of sense.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
109. what idiot doesn't vote for somebody because they criticized another politician?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:32 PM
Feb 2016

These threads are the dumbest things I have ever seen!!

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