2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie has had bad things to say about many Democratic Presidents and Nominees
It's not just Bill Clinton and Barack Obama
1) JFK made him literally sick.
2) Mondale would have made a terrible president, even though he campaigned for him.
3) Jesse Jackson was no good cause he tried to work within the system
There is definitely a pattern. Hillary ought to bring it up on the campaign trail.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech#.yqoRYl6aR
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Cleaning house is a fine agenda.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Trump and the Republicans are the evil twins of Sanders' antiestablishment orientation.
We all want change, or say we do. Let's choose wisely.
earthside
(6,960 posts)"Iconoclasty is very much in the air."
Actually this is one of the things I and many other like about Sanders -- he isn't a "yellow dog" type Democrat (an individual who would vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican).
Hero or heroine worship is very common among hardcore, hack members of any political party, but it is rather juvenile as a historical perspective.
There is plenty to about Pres. Kennedy, Walter Mondale, and Jesse Jackson to criticize -- someone like Sanders who has been in the public arena for over a half century and who is an independent thinker is going to express his opinions.
I like that. It stands in contrast to what the Clintons and the Democratic Party establishment are clearly trying to do right now -- intimidate and threaten everybody to get in line, follow orders and march-in-step with The Inevitable One.
Huzzahs for the iconoclastic and bold thinking of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders!
Here's to busting up some the right icons!
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
This isn't the TV show entourage where everyone is trying to suck up to the celebrity.
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Kittycat
(10,493 posts)So what is your point? We can never have differences or speak out against them?
And do you mean This Jesse Jackson?
http://www.thenation.com/article/watch-when-bernie-sanders-endorsed-jesse-jackson-for-president/
boston bean
(36,222 posts)It's an outlook that I think many would reject. I don't think most people have his view about these leaders. And his continued similar attacks shows a lack of growth on his part.
That JFK was a liberal and is what turned him off to liberalism and the Democratic Party...
That Walter Mondale would have made a 'terrible president'...
And yes, I mean that Jesse Jackson, who Sanders criticizes for working within the Democratic Party for change.
I mean, what the hell is he doing in a party that he can't stand?!?
democrank
(11,098 posts)He`s in it for the people.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)I guess now Bernie believes change is possible from within that evil Democratic Party, and Jesse was right?
democrank
(11,098 posts)And Bernie`s authenticity speaks to a lot of change agents.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)The effectiveness of the Radical Liberal Approach to politics. Hillary should remember that take note. This is how change happens. We pull to the left from the grassroots/bottom up, while leadership kicks and screams. If not, or we apathetic or complacent, we go backwards to the right. Status quo isn't progress, that's how we slip back, eroding away a little at a time, until something worse happens. We still haven't recovered from the bailout - and I'm not sure we ever will. But we have to turn our attention back to us, to the people. Not the wars, not the corporations, not the billionaires campaign financiers. It's time to focus on and rebuild this country.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... The Democratic Party as a means to an end. In doing so, I see less confidence in the man, and more in the label. Without that label, he would already be dust in the wind.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Nuff said!
He speaks for our values, which by far IS the most important for most of us in choosing a leader this election. We aren't just cheering for the local football team because they're there!
quickesst
(6,280 posts)I was stating my opinion of what I believe is the absolute truth. You will not sway me, and I will not sway you, so here we are until it is done.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You have your candidate, I have mine, the rest is just pre-game posturing, at least the parts of the thread I've seen so far.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... and I will include most threads in GDP , but it does make for an anticipated and intriguing contest when the horns are finally locked.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)as an INDEPENDENT
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)All evidence shows you are wrong, yet you keep posting nonsense.
What the hell was he doing caucusing with and voting with the Democrats in congress for decades if he "can't stand" them? Are you a fool or do you try to mislead people as a general rule?
djean111
(14,255 posts)And she would say bad things about him right now, if that is what she thought it would take to get votes.
In any event, there is literally nothing Bernie can say or has said in the past that would persuade me to support Hillary, because of war, cluster bombs, the TPP, fracking, wanting to send kids back into danger to teach a lesson, increased H-1B visas - you know, issues that affect people in a bad way.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I have had bad things to say about many Democratic Presidents and Nominees, it's called being 'Honest'. You might want to look it up.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)sick. He said this in the 80's.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)are dead? Not really sure what that's suppose to be. But I do know that you consider Bernie to be EVIL, which is fine because you think that I'm EVIL too. No problem, I'll still fight for your rights in addition to everyone else's. To me that's what a democrat is. So make sure you have a lovely day.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)she will support you!
have a lovely one yourself!
bvf
(6,604 posts)From the link:
Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution [...] was so strong."
Sanders did not say Kennedy made him "literally sick," any more than my saying your post is idiotic (it is) is the same as my calling you an idiot.
And what the holy fuck does the fact that Kennedy was assassinated have to do with anything?
Grow up.
Really, that is very telling.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)There is no need for you to speak about a fellow member of our board in such disparaging terms:
30. Wait a minute.
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From the link:
Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was "physically nauseated" by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy's "hatred for the Cuban Revolution was so strong."
Sanders did not say Kennedy made him "literally sick," any more than my saying your post is idiotic (it is) is the same as my calling you an idiot.
And what the holy fuck does the fact that Kennedy was assassinated have to do with anything?
Grow up.
It reflects poorly on every member of our community.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)By doing that we raise ourselves and our community.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I thought this was a political forum.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I thought this was a political forum.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I forgot about that disturbing section of the TOS. They can call it what they like, but if this is a "community" it's the most fractured and dysfunctional ever.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Less time for you to attack other members of our community.
Actually, my service is twofold. I am giving you an opportunity for catharsis while protecting the more vulnerable members of our community.
bvf
(6,604 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Any time you feel the need to attack another member of our community you can attack me. My raison d'etre is to protect those who are vulnerable. I believe it is why I was placed on this earth.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Ops like this one do make me literally sick.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)I can respect and honor someone while at the same time disagreeing with some things they do.
And here I thought only republicans saw everything in black & white.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)statements.
I suppose being who he is, he will continue on with his line of thinking. That most people in this country would disagree with.
Also, listen, people in this country don't think Castro is a good leader. They realize presidents and politicians make mistakes. They aren't as entrenched in this ideology that Sanders spouts, which is thinking everyone in power is corrupt, BUT HIM!
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)but I'll say it once more because it doesn't seem to be getting through. He didn't say JFK "made him literally sick". He said JFK's policies towards the Cubans made him nauseated. It says there right in the article you posted. The way the article title - and you - reworded what he said is disingenuous.
Guess what? They made me nauseated too. Also, our 60 year embargo against Cuba - because COMMIES!! - has made me nauseated. There, I said it. Do I hate JFK too now?
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Kennedy was young and appealing and ostensibly liberal, Sanders reminisced in a 1987 interview with The Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont. But I think at that point, seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant.
Second, most people would agree that Fidel Castro rules with an iron fist against political dissent. Yet, Sanders thought he transformational for bringing free healthcare and education to Cuba.
Sanders is a one note instrument. He's been trumpeting the same rhetoric for 45 years. Has done nothing to change a thing but complain and point fingers at people who worked hard and did good things and served this country well.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)free healthcare and education: GOOD
iron fist: BAD
There, now was that so hard?
boston bean
(36,222 posts)When listening to Sanders on this subject, he states the people of Cuba didn't revolt because Fidel was good to them in those ways.
When in fact, we KNOW it is because he squashed political dissent with an iron fist.
This man has very little understanding of these issue, but holds high bars for everyone but himself.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Because really, Goldman Sachs = good. Criticizing leaders, bad. Right?
Broward
(1,976 posts)Very reminiscent of Bush supporters.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)I would prefer actual policy that was possible.
I truly find his rhetoric to be nothing but anger, with little record of actual change, proposed legislation, and success.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)boston bean
(36,222 posts)Remember Bernie voted for the 2001 AUMF that to this very days allows military intervention around the world. NOT limited to Afghanistan.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)don't like leave!!!!!
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)make that claim
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)It would be like saying shitty things about a company then going and asking for job.
FAIL!
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)may be doing the exact same thing...... don't wanna be on the wrong side if she wins.............. Thanks for helping prove that point
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dana_b
(11,546 posts)if he had NOT become a Democrat and continued running as an independent all the way up to the GE against Hillary and whomever the Repubs nominate?
I ask this because I think that if that had happened, it would have guaranteed a Repub president. Many people who will now vote for the Democratic nominee (whoever that will be) WOULD have voted for Bernie. Not a huge number maybe, but enough to throw the election to the Repubs.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)
Clinton's crack oppo-research adventurers have found three Bernie Sanders quotes in which he is offering up his thoughts and criticisms of Democratic politicians.
Dear God, the horrors!
So desperate, that they went all the way back to...1987?
We all knew the kitchen sink was coming--but who knew it would be three decades old, made of formica and avocado green!
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)And he said girls had cooties too.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)God forbid someone is telling the American truth & being honest!
Imagine that! An honest politician!
You know who isn't?
Ya 67% of American's see Hillary as untrustworthy. I can't for the life of me figure out why. Wait! I know, maybe this is it!
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I don't think that would help her. It looks desperate.
Lots of politicians are mealy-mouthed equivocators; Sanders expresses his honest opinion.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)has the same angry conspiratorial rhetoric for 45 years.
JFK didn't make most American physically sick.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)You might be surprised how many people identify with Sanders' views on a lot of things - especially when they feel TPTB don't relate to their everyday lives.
JFK didn't make me sick, but I don't really care if he made someone else sick. It's just a difference of opinion.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)He is always right. Everyone else is corrupt. No one speaks truth but him. It must be real nice to throw that shit at other people, while all the time doing pretty much NOTHING to make anything better. When others he holds in contempt have actually done the hard work and know what it's like to get things done, even if incrementally.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I get the impression that he has strong opinions that he has held for decades. I don't think he's always right (and I don't think he thinks so, either), and I don't read his criticisms as saying "everyone else is corrupt."
I also disagree that he's done pretty much nothing to make anything better.
~Voted against the Clinton-era North American Free Trade Agreement, which we now know sent millions of American jobs overseas.
~Sanders is one of only 67 votes against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married. It took 17 years to overturn this Act.
~Standing up against the major pharmaceutical companies, Sanders becomes the first member of Congress to take seniors across the border to Canada to buy lower-cost prescription drugs. The congressman continues his bus trips to Canada with a group of breast cancer patients the following April. These women are able to purchase their medications in Canada for almost one-tenth the price charged in the States.
~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, IBM agreed to a $320 million legal settlement with some 130,000 IBM workers and retirees.
~About 10 years before the 2008 Wall Street crash spins the world economy into a massive recession, Sanders votes "no" on a bill to undo decades of financial regulations enacted after the Great Depression. The House passed the bill 362-57 over Sanders' objection.
~Sanders votes against the USA Patriot Act. "All of us want to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, but in a way that does not undermine basic freedoms," Sanders says at the time.
~Sanders votes against the Bush-Cheney war in Iraq. He warns at the time that an invasion could "result in anti-Americanism, instability and more terrorism." We now know that that war was one of the worst foreign policy decisions in our history.
~Sanders passes an amendment in the House to stop the government from obtaining library and book-buying records on Americans.
~Sanders defeats Vermont's richest man, Rich Tarrant, to be elected to the U.S. Senate. Sanders, running as an Independent, is endorsed by the Vermont Democratic Party and supported by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
~Sanders' authored energy efficiency and conservation grant program passes into law. He later secures $3.2 billion in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for the grant program.
~Thanks to Sanders' efforts, funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program funding doubles, helping millions of low-income Americans heat their homes in winter.
~Sanders works with Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to pass an amendment to an economic recovery bill preventing Wall Street banks that take taxpayer bailouts from replacing laid-off U.S. workers with exploited and poorly-paid foreign workers.
~Sanders passes language in the Affordable Care Act to allow states to apply for waivers to implement pilot health care systems by 2017. The legislation allows states to adopt more comprehensive systems to cover more people at lower costs.
~In 2010, President Barack Obama signs into law the Affordable Care Act with a major Sanders provision to expand federally qualified community health centers. Sanders secures $12.5 billion in funding for the program which now serves more than 25 million Americans. Another $1.5 billion from a Sanders provision went to the National Health Service Corps for scholarships and loan repayment for doctors and nurses who practice in underserved communities.
~Sanders works with Republican Congressman Ron Paul in the House to pass a measure as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill to audit the Federal Reserve, revealing how the independent agency gave $16 trillion in near zero-interest loans to big banks and businesses after the 2008 economic collapse.
~In 2012, he becomes Chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.
~Sanders, backed by seniors, women, veterans, labor unions and disabled Americans leads a successful effort to stop a "chained-CPI" proposal supported by Congressional Republicans and the Administration to cut Social Security and disabled veterans' benefits.
~Sanders introduces legislation to break up major Wall Street banks so large that the collapse of one could send the overall economy into a downward spiral.
~A bipartisan $16.5 billion veterans bill written by Sanders, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Miller is signed into law by President Barack Obama.
~In 2015, Sanders takes over as ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, using the platform to fight for his economic agenda for the American middle class.
~Sanders votes against the Keystone XL pipeline which would allow multinational corporation TransCanada to transport dirty tar sands oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico.
~Both the NAACP and the NHLA (National Hispanic Leadership Agenda) have given Sanders 100% voting scores during his tenure in the Senate. Earns a D- from the NRA.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)campaign trail?
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)appears BS couldn't even find anyone to vote for except himself. I imagine he has quite a history himself.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)as it suggests an appeal to authority and that should not be embraced in a democracy.
Did Obama make an appeal to Conyers, yea he did, b/c politicians in power do not
like criticism..duh. The intentions of your OP is comprised of bullshit.
President Obama told me to stop demeaning him, says Rep. Conyers
In an interview with The Hill, Conyers said his opinions of Obamas policies on healthcare reform and the war in Afghanistan have not sat well with the president.
According to the lawmaker, the president picked up the phone several weeks ago to find out why Conyers was demeaning him.
Obamas decision to challenge Conyers highlights a sensitivity to criticism the president has taken on the left. Conyerss critical remarks, many of which have been reported on the liberal-leaning Huffington Post, appear to have irritated the president, known for his calm demeanor.
Conyers, the second-longest-serving member of the House, said, [Obama] called me and told me that he heard that I was demeaning him and I had to explain to him that it wasnt anything personal, it was an honest difference on the issues. And he said, Well, lets talk about it.
Sitting in the Judiciary Committees conference room two days after Obama delivered his speech on Afghanistan, the 23-term lawmaker said he wasnt in the mood to chat.
Obamas move to send in 30,000 troops to Afghanistan by the summer of 2010 has clearly disappointed Conyers.
He said he intends to press his case in writing soon.
I want something so serious that he has to respond in writing, like I am responding in writing to him, he said.
Calling in generals and admirals to discuss troop strength is like me taking my youngest to McDonalds to ask if he likes french fries, Conyers said.
Many on the left have argued that military leaders routinely respond to crises by calling for more troops.
Ive been saying I dont agree with him on Afghanistan, I think he screwed up on healthcare reform, on Guantánamo and kicking Greg off, Conyers said, referring to the departure of former White House counsel Greg Craig.
Craig was a leading proponent in the White House of closing the terrorist detention center at Guantánamo Bay and releasing photos of detainees undergoing torture. Closing the military prison has proven to be politically difficult, and Obama reversed field on the photos, opting not to make them publicly available.
The White House did not respond to requests for comment for this article.
The liberal Conyers has been an outspoken proponent of a single-payer healthcare system and a critic of U.S. involvement in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He has also been at odds with White House policy on extending expiring provisions of the Patriot Act, crafting legislation that is to the left of the Senates version.
Obama and Conyers have a complicated and nuanced relationship.
Conyers was the first member of the Congressional Black Caucus to endorse Obama over then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president.
Conyers earlier this year noted that he spent most weekends in 2007 and 2008 on the campaign trail trying to get Obama elected.
I did whatever was necessary to be done to win. I met with ministers, I met with unions, I met with lawyers, I met with community activists, I met with healthcare people, Conyers explained in early April.
The 80-year-old lawmaker, who participated in the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King Jr., does not shy away from saying what is on his mind.
in full: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/71075-conyers-obama-told-me-to-stop-demeaning-him
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)no members of the Democratic Party has ever taken Obama to task in a public way.
You post, people respond..your OP has zero merit if one wants and respects a
functioning democracy...no Kings allowed.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Some people really ought to take a look in the mirror.
The guy has done nothing in 45 years but repeat the same stump speech. Very little accomplished legislatively after decades. Harshly criticizing people who share the same goals and have actually made differences.
Bernie's the best though! Bernie is the best!
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)look at Bernie, he is a critic, period. I pointed out Obama has received in public
criticism of his policies by Democrats..THEY GET TO DO THAT in a functioning
democracy. You don't have to agree with their disagreements, but that is not
what you're doing here. All your OP says is, Bernie is a critic and that is BAD.
In addition, your claims about him are false, why is it we have such
difficulty getting anything done, because of Sanders or because of Republicans and lobby
money? Your OP is disingenuous at best, zero merit, quite frankly.
Reminder: Bernie Gets It Done:Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You
snip* Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.
Here are a few examples of the amendments Sanders passed by building unusual but effective coalitions:
in full: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
boston bean
(36,222 posts)Espousing harsh opinions.... He is really good at that. Holding that bar up real high where no one can get over it, because Bernie shouts they are CORRUPT.
I'm sorry, I am skeptical of all politicians, including Hillary. Do I believe every word she says, no. But what I do believe is the persons he is constantly criticizing for decades while elevating himself only, and setting bars that he would never have to even attempt to climb over, have done some real good for this country. While he has sat on the sidelines and thrown bombs and now gets credit for being that obstinate with the same message for over 40 years.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)ties to WS. There is significant corruption in US politics, that is why he
speaks to it all the time, it has only gone further off the edge after CU was
passed.
Politicians who are not the recipients of money from special interest groups
are ones best placed to fight against them..that is what the revolt is about,
not about getting "free stuff".
boston bean
(36,222 posts)he is the only one who is truthful. By bomb throwing criticisms against others, who actually have done the work and know what it takes to improve this country.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)he was running for president. I suggest she has a serious problem and blaming
the Republicans for it won't help us if she wins the nomination.
David Brock's not doing her any favors either on that score, even her side is beginning to
question his tactics.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)All candidates deserve criticism. I applaud Bernie for speaking his mind. He may not always be right, but I applaud it still.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Maybe this is one of the many reasons Bernie's ratings on honesty and trustworthiness are so much higher than Hillary's
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)As if critique is now off limits. The thin skin of a shrinking candidacy.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)akin to the thin skin of a shrinking candidacy, Bernie ought to be very worried.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Politicians are not holy, sorry.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)And yes, we agree. Politicians are not holy.
Nanjeanne
(4,962 posts)Jarqui
(10,128 posts)Yeah so what did Bernie do about that terrible transgression when Jesse wouldn't run as an independent?
He endorsed & campaigned for him in 1984 and 1988 and delivered Vermont to Jesse in his primary.
And he was one of the few white guys who did so.
That's all.
What is this:"let's post as much horseshit as we can Day" ?
boston bean
(36,222 posts)It's always nice to throw bombs from the sidelines with a holier than thou attitude like he has for decades.
But now, I suppose he feels that change is achievable within the system?
Jarqui
(10,128 posts)he would risk splitting the liberal vote and giving the GOP the White House. Back then, that may not have been the case or he didn't think much the Dems running at the time.
Naturally, there's two sides to this spin as well and one side is conveniently overlooked:
Why did the Dems allow Bernie, an independent to run for the leadership of their party? I mean the DNC is certainly corrupt enough and in Hillary's pocket to have done something else. But no one wants to talk about that and take responsibility for that, do they.
Somehow Sanders, who unlike the deceitful flip-flopper he's up against, has been consistent on his policy positions for decades. So everybody knew exactly what Bernie was all about when they made the decision to allow him to run for the Democratic Party leadership.
Now, the big corporate folks who have given Bill & Hillary about $4 billion since they left the White House, are getting nervous that they may have blown a big wad of dough on a losing horse. And the guy who may win, unlike Hillary, can't be bought.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)If she brings it up on the campaign she will just look small. Stick to the issues!
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)needs to.
She can win without doing it. So I really hope that she doesn't.
seaotter
(576 posts)Hillary needs to tend to her own issues, such as trust, lies, double-speak.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)FFS, how childish.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That's right, the Democratic party in practice has been the lesser of two evils.
Lucky for the Democratic party that this is how the majority of the people in the United States see it. They are right. If it wasn't that way, it would never win at all.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)People idolize JFK (some people in my own family, for instance) yet Vietnam? The Bay of Pigs?
No one.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)but that's typical of the relentlessly negative DOMA branch of the Party.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)She'll try everything.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Coddling to the DNC only when it suits him. Pathetic
Number23
(24,544 posts)where they discuss the primary season. Link here http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/planet-america/NU1644H004S00#playing
The presenters did the usual thing talking about black vote, female vote etc. but one thing that was a huge segment was the fact that along with minorities, there is another group that Sanders has so far not won over: DEMOCRATS.
They recognized that Clinton has defeated Sanders among Democrats in both primaries so far and they placed his big victory in NH on the Republicans and indies. And they also made the comment that alot of this may have something to do with the fact that Sanders has only been a Democrat for a year.
So when you look at it, Sanders' issues with minority voters and other stalwart blocks of the Dem party makes alot of sense.
great white snark
(2,646 posts)and anyone who shares his ideology.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)These threads are the dumbest things I have ever seen!!