Is Hillary Clinton A Compulsive Liar?

[amborin]

this was about her constant lying in 2008:

This is not normal human behavior - not by a long shot. It's actually rather scary, and it gets to a deeper issue - the issue of trust.

Why does Clinton feel the need to lie in the face of verifiable facts?

She did it with NAFTA, she did it with Bosnia and now she's doing it with polling numbers. I just don't get this - and I say that not as a "Hillary hater" but as an honest declaration of frustration.

Her behavior tells me she's either so arrogant that she's fine with insulting the public's intelligence with such in-your-face lying, or she's a pathological liar that has gotten so used to lying that she doesn't even know she's doing it anymore.

Look, it's one thing to spin - it's another thing to spin and lie, all at once. It is that penchant for brazenly trampling the truth that troubles so many people about Clinton.

If you can't trust her to at least acknowledge the verifiable facts, how can you trust that she's serious about doing what she says she'll do as president? I mean, really, would anyone be surprised if - seeing this pathological behavior now - Clinton gets into the White House, and then pretends she never made all the promises she made as a candidate? I think not - and that trust issue, more than anything, is what polls show makes so many people uncomfortable with her candidacy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/4/509125/-

but her lying has only gotten worse:

Top US Economist & UN Advisor:

This is the kind of compulsive misrepresentation that makes Clinton unfit to be President. Clinton's role in Syria has been to help instigate and prolong the Syrian bloodbath, not to bring it to a close.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/15/1485382/-Top-economist-UN-advisor-and-climate-activist-Clinton-is-a-danger-to-world-peace

[libtodeath]

1. Yes.

[scscholar]

4. No.

[seaotter]

9. You are correct.

She is much more of a 'deliberative" liar.

[bvar22]

74. She will even send her own daughter out in front of The World to LIE for her.

THAT is LOW.

[billhicks76]

38. This Is Not The Onion

[SoLeftIAmRight]

2. It is a truth that she has lied about important issues.

Is Hillary Clinton A Compulsive Liar? - I can not answer that question.

[Voice for Peace]

3. Signs point to yes.

Going back a long way. She probably doesn't even realize it. I do not trust her. And didn't Bill lie to a grand jury? A family habit.

[Ferd Berfel]

5. and people are finally beginning to realize it

[casperthegm]

6. Eh, it could just be the "win at all costs approach"

It's semantics really, because for her winning at all costs essentially means lying about her flip flops and poor decisions. She can frame them as her views "evolving." Love that political speak

[HereSince1628]

75. I think that's a part of it.

What drives that need to succeed will be a mother lode for historians.

[seaotter]

7. actually no, she seems to be a very deliberative liar.

[roguevalley]

52. the old model of campaigning which she is using allows for scorched earth to the nomination

then fairy dust and kisses in the GE to win back all the dead people you left behind you in your sherman's march to the nomination. That is what I see and it fits her personal model of saying anything to win. I am still pissed over Bosnia because my baby was there as a soldier and did get sniped. I am still flabbergasted at such a assinine statement.

[EndElectoral]

8. She calls lying - evolving

[nolabels]

11. Millions of years ago the dinosaurs evolved also

They evolved into the part of the thick dark ooze that's pumped out of ground and known as petroleum

[CentralMass]

27. A "pathological evolver"

[Gary 50]

34. "A pathological evolver."

Good one! I've got to remember that.

[Dr. Strange]

10. I don't think there's any doubt that Hillary Clinton is a compulsive liar.

It just depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

[polly7]

12. Yes. nt.

[Donkees]

13. "Narcissistic Liars"

Liars

A large component of narcissistic behavior is the lie. They will lie about anything, in any situation, often for no reason at all.

This catches people out because normal people don't expect others to lie. At least not very much! Nobody is ready for the extent and the frequency with which narcissists tell lies.

And they will often mix in half truths to the stories they tell so they seem believable. And if a person knows part of the story is true, they are more willing to accept that the rest is true too.

But the narcissists are not fazed if they are caught out in a lie, either! They simply change their story to try and fit the new facts, all the time adding to the chaos...

[CharlotteVale]

14. It sure looks that way.

[cali]

15. I don't think so. I think she's a calculated liar.

[Duval]

29. Ah. That rings more probable.

[Avalux]

16. Yes she is and what's worse, I believe she thinks it's ok to lie so she can get the PRIZE.

Aside from her personal aspirations, she's lied a lot to cover for Bill's bad behavior. She's an enabler too.

[farleftlib]

18. Yes, I think you are 100% correct

It seems to me that Hillary lives in a fantasy world where she needs to be president, not only for herself and her ambition, but for us. To her we are too stupid to know what's best for us so she lies. In this context her lie is not only excusable, but it's what is necessary and better for us in the end. She gets really miffed when confronted with her lies because she thinks she's doing it for us, because we're too stupid to know how much we need her. So then she lies about the lying. And gets even angrier because in her mind we just don't get it.

That's why she's so hung up on her experience. She infantilizes us.

[Kalidurga]

17. She has to lie

the truth would make her look even worse.

[nichomachus]

20. Not compulsive, but opportunist

Hillary has no problem lying when it suits her purposes -- and does it often -- to the point where she may not even realize she's doing it.

I worked with a guy once who was a compulsive liar. He just couldn't seem to tell the truth. I had no idea what that was all about. He would lie when it didn't make any difference. And there are times he would lie when telling the truth would be in his favor. Very strange person.

[AzDar]

21. She is a TERRIBLE candidate... if she is the Nominee, we lose.

[whatchamacallit]

22. According to this guy she is

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm

[EdwardBernays]

54. This needs it's own OP

imo

[whatchamacallit]

66. It's old and has inspired some epic beatdown threads n/t

[Deadshot]

23. Of course she's a compulsive liar.

She'll say anything to get elected. She's changed her positions so many times in the last year that it's hard to say if she'll still support something next week. It all depends where the political wind is blowing.

[hifiguy]

24. Yes. In the style, degree and manner of

Richard M. Nixon.

[Roland99]

25. I'll take Rhetorical Questions for $1000, Alex

[Gary 50]

42. Thanks for the laugh.

[Duval]

26. We have a seriously flawed candidate re:Hillary

I don't know if she is a compulsive liar, or if she thinks she's entitled, "got it in the bag" and feels free to say anything. I don't believe she can win the Presidency against the Republican candidate. The distrust and dislike is wide spread.

[Gary 50]

45. She is seriously flawed and could lose but don't forget who she wuold be running against.

Trump and Cruz are also deeply flawed and disliked.

[DebbieCDC]

28. A deliberate liar, yes, most certainly

"Compulsive" evokes the impression that she can't help herself i.e., obsessive compulsive disorder.

She lies deliberately, with precision, to hide, obfuscate, obstruct and confuse. It is calculate and willful.

[Merryland]

30. "All the unions support ME"

me me me me me me me me me me me. that's who it's all about. ME.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

31. Yes or no. Depends.

Which answer will benefit her more?

[fbc]

32. She's a zero issue candidate

unless "elect ME!" is considered an issue.

[jillan]

33. I think she lies so much that she doesn't even know what the truth is anymore.

[MissDeeds]

35. She lies without any regard for getting caught

She has to be aware that there is film footage of her that can reveal she isn't telling the truth - claiming that she came under sniper fire is just one glaring example. There were cameras rolling, reporters and journalists were with her; didn't she consider the lies would come to light?

It's really disturbing, not only that she lies easily and often, but that she seems to be oblivious to the fact that she will be caught.

It's like she's detached from reality.

[billhicks76]

36. Yes

[nyabingi]

37. I personally have started to feel

that something is not quite right in Hillary's head, especially after viewing the 13 minutes of lying video.

I'm not trying to be mean to her (which is what I'm usually doing), but someone who tells this many blatant lies (and I mean ones that are very easy to disprove) has some mental issues happening that should be a big concern for all voters.

I almost feel sorry for her, but not sorry enough to vote for her.

[Tarc]

39. Thank you for your psych analysis-via-internet, Professor

[nyabingi]

58. You're most certainly welcome, Tarc (nt)

[TipTok]

40. She banks on the apathy and/or ignorance of the public...

Double down... Hunker down...

This too shall pass... and it usually does...

The e-mail scandal is a perfect example. Anyone with knowledge about the system knows that the excuse about 'not being marked classified' makes it worse and isn't a mitigating factor.

She counts on the fact that most people will hear that, with no knowledge of the system, and go "Oh.. never mind"

[djean111]

41. Not compulsive, just opportunistic.

And feels lying is fine if it is in pursuit of The Prize.
The end justifies the means sort of thing.

[Helen Borg]

43. She'll say anything to get elected.

She is desperately in need of power.

[Beacool]

44. Gee, for a moment I thought I opened Free Republic.

Same crap, different website.

[Buzz cook]

46. William Safire would be proud. nt

nt

[Loki]

47. Too bad we don't have the ability to send these kinds of posts

about a Democratic candidate to the trash where they belong.

[libdem4life]

61. So are you saying she is Not a liar? That she tells the truth and is trustworthy? n/t

And that we should just leave it to the Republicans?

[Loki]

62. You tell me?

Have you EVER in your life at any time told a lie? Well, I can look in the mirror and honestly say, yea I have. Does it make me damned like you're trying to make her? I guess in your perfect world, I'm not worthy of any consideration for anything at any time. Like I said before, I don't want to even try to live in your little bubble. It's not the real world I live in.

[libdem4life]

67. It isn't a bubble to watch on TV, look at the mess in the ME and her part in it, and to watch the

lengthy video of her lies. Sorry. That's the Bubble. Fail. This argument of "no one is perfect" as a pass for this bull is just rhetorical nonsense.

I never told a lie that caused a death or tore a family apart, just for instance, and frankly doubt that you have either.

[Loki]

68. Well, your life must be absolutely perfect then.

To expect perfection is a recipe for failure and not rhetorical nonsense as you put it. What lie are you talking about? Benghazi? We have tacitly approved of the death penalty, therefore we have caused death either for the guilty or perhaps, god forbid, for the innocent. We sit in our chairs behind our computers and imagine that we have never had a part in anything that has been ugly or causes the innocent to die. We never ever tell lies, we stand in perfection in everything we do. We send our young people to war, based on a lie and we still don't show up in the streets protesting this abomination, do we? So don't give me your idealistic crap about being the perfect person. There isn't such a thing. And Bernie isn't one either.

[farleftlib]

70. Umm

Nobody's talking about perfection or expecting it. She wants to be president so her character is going to come into question. Only 6% of people in NH thought she was honest and trustworthy compared to 92%. So she gets called on it and rightly so. It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else lies about - WE ARE NOT RUNNING FOR POTUS! When you are, honesty matters, not being a "perfect person."

"And Bernie isn't one either" You showed us.

[Loki]

73. I don't expect perfection from anyone

And if you think that then you are the fool. No President has lied ever. No one running for President has ever lied. That is such a ridiculous idea and a very poor barometer for someone's fitness for office. You all act as if Bernie walks on water. It's hilarious if it wasn't so naive and dangerous. All I hear is Hillary lies, she's untrustworthy, the Fox News cycle and the Benghazi flogging have done exactly what the repukes wanted and you all have fallen for it. What a joke you all have become. You call yourselves liberals/progressives, but you might as well be paid by the RNC for believing all this crap. We have an election coming up and it is so important for this country to not be swallowed by the poisonous lies that are coming from the rot on the other side. If this causes a Trump or a Cruz to be elected, god help s all. You think a Clinton presidency would be hell, well just wait for a Trump one.

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Yes.

Was this a poll?

[Ned_Devine]

49. Just a soulless opportunist

[Smarmie Doofus]

50. Excellent question. I'll look into it. n/t

[HooptieWagon]

51. Every indication is yes.

I don't trust a single word coming out of her mouth.

[RufusTFirefly]

53. Perhaps she subscribes to the neocon principle of the Noble Lie?

The philosopher Leo Strauss, the godfather of the neoconservative movement, adhered to the principle that

since the masses are intrinsically foolish and will not always approve heroic action when necessary, the “Wise” must employ “noble lies” to convince them. These are to be presented through “gentlemen” who are not too bright but malleable and enjoy credibility. Political science professor Shadia Drury, in her Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999), contends that Strauss believed that “perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what’s good for them.”

CounterPunch: The Neocons Won

[INdemo]

55. You be the Judge

[amborin]

56. is Hillary suffering from narcissistic personality disorder?

One only needs to exhibit a few of these symptoms to be clinically classified as such:

....



DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:


You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior

You may feel a sense of entitlement —

Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism.

Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

Exaggerating your achievements and talents

Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people

Requiring constant admiration

Having a sense of entitlement

Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations

Taking advantage of others to get what you want

Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

Being envious of others and believing others envy you

Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner


https://www.bpdcentral.com/narcissistic-disorder/hallmarks-of-npd/

[HereSince1628]

78. The DSM checklists are really pretty worthless without the contribution of advanced education

that provides understanding of the measurement and description of the items on the list, and their context within the study of comparative personality.

The experts who study narcissism suggest that there are many types of narcissism, the DSM has been hung up on grandiose narcissism for decades. Popular understanding of narcissism that functions as 'street knowledge' is based on such checklists. Not surprisingly 'street diagnoses' of it and in acceptance of 'street diagnoses' of others is mostly woeful.

On the street, and within DU, psychological problems are often considered and presented as character flaws rather than illnesses, and few other dx's in psychology carry that character flaw sentiment the way narcissism does.

In a political discussion diagnoses of personality disorder are rather rarely used to suggest that the person is a victim who was wounded and is still suffering from a wound delivered early in childhood development.

[JTFrog]

57. Another stupid thread, another donation to Hillary from me.

Thank you for keeping me motivated.

[Odin2005]

59. Watch out, the Pro-Hillary censors hid my post when I said the same thing.

[Loki]

60. So If I found a site that said

I believe I see early stages of Alzheimer's in Bernie Sander's, would you think that it was appropriate? Even if there doesn't seem to be any credible evidence, except that we probably all are in early stages of Alzheimers and so it must be true. You all sound like the Drudge Report.

[libdem4life]

63. So, is she truthful? Lies are lies. And I guess if someone thought it appropriate to say that

Bernie was in the early stages of Alzheimer's they should just go ahead...and get laughed off the thread. As far as I know, there aren't videos of Bernie's Alzheimer's. LOL

[Loki]

65. You didn't answer the question did you?

You're perfect, you've never told a lie. Wow, I'm impressed. I've never met a perfect person before. You should win some kind of award.

[speaktruthtopower]

64. No.

[Live and Learn]

69. Let's ask the expert:

[oldandhappy]

71. She is an old style politician. Of course she lies!

[quantumjunkie]

72. K&R

[Duckhunter935]

76. yes, I think so

There are never any consequences and she is never held accountable.

[sorechasm]

77. She happens to be a very bad liar, unlike her husband.

That must be frustrating to her. Watching him get away with so many more 'truth stretching episodes' when she can't lie about the simplest details and get away with it.
Of course, he wasn't running in the age of YouTube.