2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders rolls over a deeply mistrusted Hillary Clinton
Its about the perception of deceit, secretiveness, hypocrisy and an overweening sense of entitlement underlying these controversies. Thats what has voters worried.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-rolls-over-a-deeply-mistrusted-hillary-clinton-2016-02-10
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)How can we elect someone we don't trust?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)FarPoint
(12,452 posts)She is the one to keep American safe....
Autumn
(45,120 posts)sarge43
(28,946 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)Why did he just lose Nevada?
And will lose SC next Saturday.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)I meant the Red Menace, so popular with Team Clinton's kitchen sink unit. Got it now?
By 5% in a chaotic caucus? Couldn't she have done better than that?
SC, we'll see.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)The OP said, as a matter of fact, that Sanders was "rolling over" Clinton in Nevada.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)No thanks.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)90-percent
(6,829 posts)n/t
-90% Jimmy
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)After battling to a virtual tie or perhaps even a stolen victory in Iowa and a double-digit win in New Hampshire, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has knocked Hillary Clinton off her front-runner perch for the Democratic nomination.
Clinton supporters cant pretend that Sanderss 21-point margin of victory on Tuesday was due solely to the proximity of Vermont to New Hampshire. The margin was so wide because this candidate is putting the lie to the Wall Street corruption, the double dealing, and the triangulation that has sold out the Democratic Party and betrayed its voters. Make no mistake, the momentum in the Democratic race has shifted.
Going into the Nevada caucuses, the South Carolina primary and the Super Tuesday firewall on March 1, Clinton will be on the defensive, despite her raft of party endorsements and her putative support among minority voters. Women have already deserted her and Sanders may be right that once African Americans become acquainted with him and his message, they might desert her, too.
We have had two and a half decades of the Clintons and were tired of them. Were tired of their sophistry (it depends on what the meaning of is is), their ambivalences, their greed and their ethical challenges. /b] While Bill Clinton is a gifted and charismatic politician, Hillary Clinton has consistently failed to make the grade. She too obviously is willing to play the voter for a fool from saying she used a private server for her official emails so she wouldnt have to juggle two devices, to asking whether wiping a server clean means like with a cloth, to declaring on Sunday that she would release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs talks when every candidate did the same for all their talks with private groups.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)More from OP link:
Whether or not Clinton now ekes out the nomination with her lock on the partys super delegates, or a white knight draft of Vice President Joe Biden or some other candidate is made to rescue the Democrats, or Mike Bloomberg enters the race as a spoiler Sanderss insurgency has irreparably damaged Clintons candidacy..
The validation of the Vermont senators surging opinion polls in the first two primary contests has punctured the Clinton balloon, pulled back the curtain on the fake wizard pick your favorite metaphor. If the Democrats persist in awarding her the nomination, she runs a good chance of losing to the Republican nominee, whether that is Donald Trump or John Kasich or Marco Rubio or whoever.
Sanders beat Clinton in New Hampshire across every age, gender, and income demographic except those 65 and older and those in households earning $200,000 or more.
Winning is its own message and voters who have ignored or belittled the Sanders phenomenon until now will be taking a second look. Sanderss lengthy victory speech Tuesday night, incorporating large parts of his stump speech, was a manifesto reaching out to those voters who might be looking at him and hearing him for the first time
amborin
(16,631 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)any difference in behavior would be seen as calculated for most effect during a campaign.
What she -must- rely on is the 1st commandment for New Dem voters: Always vote for the New Dem, everyone else will -ALWAYS- be worse.
We will see if that commandment is strong enough to carry Madam Secretary thru to a successful and early end to the Dem Primary campaign.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)It's the only way for them to overcome the distrust that the majority of Americans feel about them. After the charade of the elections it will be back to ISIS, or the Taliban, or the Communists, or going back to the beginning of our country, the Native Americans. Always, a horrible, vicious enemy that we have to arm ourselves against (trillions in defense contracts while I've been alive) and be ever vigilant about. No time to talk about rich and poor people-look over there, it's the bogeyman!
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)jalan48
(13,894 posts)The Third Way, establishment approach of incrementalism is a no-where strategy. Hillary is just another Democrat sticking her finger in the dikes, hoping no one will notice while she and her friends plan their get-away.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)jalan48
(13,894 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Period.
No More Clintons.