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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:18 AM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders rolls over a deeply mistrusted Hillary Clinton

Memo to Hillary Clinton: It’s not just about transcripts of your talks with Goldman Sachs, your emails which may or may not have contained classified information, or even what really happened that dark night of the deadly attack on American diplomats in Benghazi.

It’s about the perception of deceit, secretiveness, hypocrisy and an overweening sense of entitlement underlying these controversies. That’s what has voters worried.


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-rolls-over-a-deeply-mistrusted-hillary-clinton-2016-02-10

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Bernie Sanders rolls over a deeply mistrusted Hillary Clinton (Original Post) FreakinDJ Feb 2016 OP
This is really what it all comes down to. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #1
We don't FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #2
I'm voting for Hillary! FarPoint Feb 2016 #4
Safe from who? Or what? Autumn Feb 2016 #5
The boogie man, Autumn n/t sarge43 Feb 2016 #12
If he is "rolling over" her SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #26
I wasn't referring to Senator Sanders, but you knew that sarge43 Feb 2016 #27
And I wasn't referring to you SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #28
Safe from economic justice, peace, and progress. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #18
"She is the only one to keep American" BANKS "safe" from much needed reform! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #24
Please be joking. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #25
Yeahup..... daleanime Feb 2016 #6
Hillary will get us back to the days of endless joy and happiness of GWB's two terms! 90-percent Feb 2016 #23
so true. nt Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #3
"Democratic voters flocking to the candidate who promises change, integrity" Divernan Feb 2016 #7
She too obviously is willing to play the voter for a fool FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #8
"How stupid does she think we are?" Divernan Feb 2016 #9
people are not that stupid; they know she's a lying cheerleader for Wall Street amborin Feb 2016 #22
A large majority of Dems & large majority of ALL voters think she is Dishonest, Lacks Integrity amborin Feb 2016 #10
And how can that change? Any promise to be different wouldn't be believed HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #11
K&R Duval Feb 2016 #13
The Hillary's of the political world, on the right and left will maintain their power through fear. jalan48 Feb 2016 #14
When your back is to the wall for so long - you lose the fear FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #15
I agree-and that is when things will change. jalan48 Feb 2016 #16
Its not a "no-where strategy" - its a lie FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #17
It's both. jalan48 Feb 2016 #19
I...do...NOT...trust her. SoapBox Feb 2016 #20
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Feb 2016 #21

sarge43

(28,946 posts)
27. I wasn't referring to Senator Sanders, but you knew that
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

I meant the Red Menace, so popular with Team Clinton's kitchen sink unit. Got it now?

By 5% in a chaotic caucus? Couldn't she have done better than that?

SC, we'll see.



SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
28. And I wasn't referring to you
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

The OP said, as a matter of fact, that Sanders was "rolling over" Clinton in Nevada.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
7. "Democratic voters flocking to the candidate who promises change, integrity"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:32 AM
Feb 2016
REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton

After battling to a virtual tie — or perhaps even a stolen victory — in Iowa and a double-digit win in New Hampshire, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has knocked Hillary Clinton off her front-runner perch for the Democratic nomination.

Clinton supporters can’t pretend that Sanders’s 21-point margin of victory on Tuesday was due solely to the proximity of Vermont to New Hampshire. The margin was so wide because this candidate is putting the lie to the Wall Street corruption, the double dealing, and the triangulation that has sold out the Democratic Party and betrayed its voters. Make no mistake, the momentum in the Democratic race has shifted.

Going into the Nevada caucuses, the South Carolina primary and the Super Tuesday “firewall” on March 1, Clinton will be on the defensive, despite her raft of party endorsements and her putative support among minority voters. Women have already deserted her and Sanders may be right that once African Americans become acquainted with him and his message, they might desert her, too.

We have had two and a half decades of the Clintons and we’re tired of them. We’re tired of their sophistry (it depends on what the meaning of “is” is), their ambivalences, their greed and their ethical challenges. /b] While Bill Clinton is a gifted and charismatic politician, Hillary Clinton has consistently failed to make the grade. She too obviously is willing to play the voter for a fool — from saying she used a private server for her official emails so she wouldn’t have to juggle two devices, to asking whether wiping a server clean means like with a cloth, to declaring on Sunday that she would release the transcripts of her Goldman Sachs talks when every candidate did the same for all their talks with private groups.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. "How stupid does she think we are?"
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

More from OP link:

Whether or not Clinton now ekes out the nomination with her lock on the party’s “super delegates,” or a white knight draft of Vice President Joe Biden or some other candidate is made to rescue the Democrats, or Mike Bloomberg enters the race as a spoiler — Sanders’s insurgency has irreparably damaged Clinton’s candidacy.

The validation of the Vermont senator’s surging opinion polls in the first two primary contests has punctured the Clinton balloon, pulled back the curtain on the fake wizard — pick your favorite metaphor. If the Democrats persist in awarding her the nomination, she runs a good chance of losing to the Republican nominee, whether that is Donald Trump or John Kasich or Marco Rubio or whoever.

Sanders beat Clinton in New Hampshire across every age, gender, and income demographic except those 65 and older and those in households earning $200,000 or more.


Winning is its own message and voters who have ignored or belittled the Sanders phenomenon until now will be taking a second look. Sanders’s lengthy victory speech Tuesday night, incorporating large parts of his stump speech, was a manifesto reaching out to those voters who might be looking at him and hearing him for the first time
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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. And how can that change? Any promise to be different wouldn't be believed
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:12 AM
Feb 2016

any difference in behavior would be seen as calculated for most effect during a campaign.

What she -must- rely on is the 1st commandment for New Dem voters: Always vote for the New Dem, everyone else will -ALWAYS- be worse.

We will see if that commandment is strong enough to carry Madam Secretary thru to a successful and early end to the Dem Primary campaign.

jalan48

(13,894 posts)
14. The Hillary's of the political world, on the right and left will maintain their power through fear.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:57 AM
Feb 2016

It's the only way for them to overcome the distrust that the majority of Americans feel about them. After the charade of the elections it will be back to ISIS, or the Taliban, or the Communists, or going back to the beginning of our country, the Native Americans. Always, a horrible, vicious enemy that we have to arm ourselves against (trillions in defense contracts while I've been alive) and be ever vigilant about. No time to talk about rich and poor people-look over there, it's the bogeyman!

jalan48

(13,894 posts)
16. I agree-and that is when things will change.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:09 PM
Feb 2016

The Third Way, establishment approach of incrementalism is a no-where strategy. Hillary is just another Democrat sticking her finger in the dikes, hoping no one will notice while she and her friends plan their get-away.

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