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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:12 PM Feb 2016

Snopes got the video. They were shouting out "neutral".

Here is the Twitter page of the Snopes content manager.

@KimLaCapria

She has found a video of the incident at caucus about Bernie folks shouting at Huerta.



I can understand the calls for a neutral translator after the things Huerta has said about Bernie this week.

Snopes now upgrades it to a FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
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Snopes got the video. They were shouting out "neutral". (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2016 OP
Dolores Huerta lying her ass off Depaysement Feb 2016 #1
Sadly, this Latina is seeing her people artislife Feb 2016 #29
Thanks for saying that Depaysement Feb 2016 #33
you can't ruin your own integrity without consent. She owns this herself roguevalley Feb 2016 #87
Oh well that did not stick UglyGreed Feb 2016 #2
Problem is, it will stick Lazy Daisy Feb 2016 #47
Snopes has debunked it and I put the link on LiberalElite Feb 2016 #64
It is heartening that Snopes shows up at the top of a news Google. nt SusanCalvin Feb 2016 #164
well it would have stuck if it lasted beyond the night but it didn't and now Clinton camp has yet a PatrynXX Feb 2016 #84
seems to be the case Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #3
Uh oh, I've seen the bots rely on Snopes whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #4
what are bots? one_voice Feb 2016 #22
Hilbots of course whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #24
of course. one_voice Feb 2016 #27
Please no more name calling passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #49
No kidding! It's a cesspool all around this place...... kerry-is-my-prez Feb 2016 #60
As Thom Hartmann said.... Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #97
Huerta Lied And Here is WHY... Pg 34! Read It and Weep $100k To Her Group From Clintons 2010! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #121
It really irritates me when people incorrectly say Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #125
I guess you don't care that Bernie has asked his supporters to not be nasty passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #126
so in 2010, Clinton knew she would be in a tight Nevada caucus election? 6chars Feb 2016 #153
I have longed admired Dolores. It is a shame she lied. Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #5
What did she say? Any translators here? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #52
Huerta posted this on her twitter page: Luminous Animal Feb 2016 #79
....... madfloridian Feb 2016 #89
Do I need to be logged in to twitter to see the replies or newthinking Feb 2016 #144
Boom! ebayfool Feb 2016 #6
Yeah BOOM indeed - waiting for Hillary to denounce the LIE - she will do that,right? LiberalElite Feb 2016 #12
Are you kidding? artislife Feb 2016 #30
I didn't think I needed to add the sarcasm thingy nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #65
You didn't artislife Feb 2016 #90
Oh. - LiberalElite Feb 2016 #91
Don't be too hard on yourself artislife Feb 2016 #92
Thanks - I LiberalElite Feb 2016 #93
It has been a hard day artislife Feb 2016 #94
Nah. going to bed - (I keep thinking that - LiberalElite Feb 2016 #95
what a tangled web we weave farleftlib Feb 2016 #7
+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #83
If this is all there is, what's up with the relentless BS coming from Hillary Broward Feb 2016 #8
The BS from them has been relentless for months eom LiberalElite Feb 2016 #13
It's straight-up trolling. frylock Feb 2016 #17
Absolutely. I would not trust her. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #9
Come on. Like Hillary was there. brush Feb 2016 #25
Hillary approves of all lies. 840high Feb 2016 #100
You must know that's over the top. brush Feb 2016 #110
She's a person - not God. 840high Feb 2016 #113
Nobody said she was a god brush Feb 2016 #115
Watching the video I don't see a misunderstanding, she tweeted Autumn Feb 2016 #119
There was nothing Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #120
A big difference between a misunderstanding and a lie. There were no Autumn Feb 2016 #124
I also read that someone did say "English only", one of the officials. She perhaps misunderstood . . brush Feb 2016 #123
Nice try. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #128
Meaning what? brush Feb 2016 #130
Trying to deflect from what is going on here. passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #132
You seem like a smart guy brush Feb 2016 #134
I will leave it alone when I see her correct her statement in her tweet passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #139
Like I said, you seem like a smart guy . . . brush Feb 2016 #140
Oh, so now you are going there...agism? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #141
Just sayin', and many high profile people don't do their own tweets brush Feb 2016 #143
I just wanna see how many more excuses you can come up with. eom passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #145
Excuses? I'm not the one costing votes for my candidate. brush Feb 2016 #147
She didn't misunderstand, her tweet was very clear. Video shows what she tweeted Autumn Feb 2016 #135
Here you go. brush Feb 2016 #155
I'm sorry, you get no retraction from me. Watch the video. Autumn Feb 2016 #156
Are you clairvoyent? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #133
How can you know it wasn't? brush Feb 2016 #136
Because she has already retracted her statement and she herself said passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #138
I didn't say it's been reported that someone else said "English only". brush Feb 2016 #142
Here's the video with the "English only" phrase. brush Feb 2016 #149
misunderstanding? lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #154
There seems to be a distinction in values: AKA belief in what Machievelli called newthinking Feb 2016 #146
I didn't hear "English only" either nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #10
That is why I am thinking this clip is truncated. It's a shame, because you can hear better than bettyellen Feb 2016 #117
Huerta has already admitted it was not a Sander's supporter passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #129
Hillary must DENOUNCE this attack! Karmadillo Feb 2016 #11
Hillary and Her Supporters Need to Knock It Off! Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #14
Oops White House Defends Sanders liberal from boston Feb 2016 #43
They are saying Neutral. Dolores Huerta, regardless azmom Feb 2016 #15
Yes, it was obviously "neutral" they were saying. madfloridian Feb 2016 #20
Nevada Caucus liberal from boston Feb 2016 #39
Clinton's campaign is really getting dirty. Matariki Feb 2016 #16
You got that Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #88
It will get dirtier. Anything to get 840high Feb 2016 #103
Here is the Snopes link LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #18
It's trickle-down lying. No way I could ever vote for her. PonyUp Feb 2016 #19
I like that sign! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #80
Imagine her lying this much 840high Feb 2016 #106
I think there needs to be more explanation from those involved. madfloridian Feb 2016 #21
What is going to happen when people come to rightly assume that most social justice movements... Odin2005 Feb 2016 #23
About reached my limit of name-calling toward Bernie's supporters. madfloridian Feb 2016 #28
I agree. I've had enough too passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #56
I don't call names, I never have. madfloridian Feb 2016 #61
Insults are all they have. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #82
Every time a lie is disproved - I make 840high Feb 2016 #108
That makes more sense- the idea that the MORE LEFT supporters are racist is counterintuitive left lowrider Feb 2016 #26
you mean the people who rail against "identity politics" and the "wedge issues"? bettyellen Feb 2016 #118
Do any Hillary supporters want to explain this smear? Hmm? n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #31
They won't. Kall Feb 2016 #48
Like I said before, she heard what she wanted to hear. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #32
"Unproven" does not make her claim (and others attending) false. bigtree Feb 2016 #34
Would "False" be better? ---> Petrushka Feb 2016 #53
She completely changed her story Matt_in_STL Feb 2016 #54
LIsten to the video passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #58
SNOPES SAYS FALSE! Self Delete! nt Logical Feb 2016 #68
If you believe her, please provide a video or sound that proves that she is right. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #72
Yes. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #151
I'm not good with some of these websites so I could not find it, but here in Southern JDPriestly Feb 2016 #165
I don't believe her. 840high Feb 2016 #109
Exactly. Particularly since there is video evidence that corroborates Huerta. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #152
Two words clearly, Neutro and Neutral nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #35
Jesus Christ... just like Rep. Lewis. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.. AzDar Feb 2016 #36
How can you tell anything from such a short clip? stopbush Feb 2016 #37
there are dozens and dozens of videos waiting for the public tomm2thumbs Feb 2016 #38
Well you know Bernie did win the Latino vote in NV - so something has to be done Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #40
All part of a Pattern Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #41
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #111
Can't let the truth get in the way. Now CUT IT OUT! nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #42
They shouted 'neutral'..... Segami Feb 2016 #44
It's out there all over Milliesmom Feb 2016 #45
Where Are the Hillary Supporters Now? Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #46
Huerta translated "neutral" to "English only" jfern Feb 2016 #50
Oh, so THAT's how she'll cover her ass. Sure. n/t Avalux Feb 2016 #51
How does this prove it wasn't said? gwheezie Feb 2016 #55
Huerta herself is backtracking and now Snopes rates it false Arazi Feb 2016 #57
I am looking for the backtrack but cannot find it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #74
It's on Snopes Arazi Feb 2016 #75
thanks, into my files it goes nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #76
Yep, she's now clearly saying they only shouted "no no no" Arazi Feb 2016 #77
I heard both neutro and neutral nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #78
Wait, so now they can make up stuff and we must prove it to be false?? madfloridian Feb 2016 #66
I keep trying to stay positive about both sides renate Feb 2016 #59
I am tired of the pitting of races against each other. madfloridian Feb 2016 #62
I have--Chicago early 2015 ... MisterP Feb 2016 #102
I'm becoming very LiberalElite Feb 2016 #67
It's been less than a week since we had to battle Capehart's lies. madfloridian Feb 2016 #63
. Hissyspit Feb 2016 #69
Thank you madflorian Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #70
Don't think I've ever been so discouraged from voting LittleBlue Feb 2016 #71
Alas that is the objective nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #73
Please vote Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #116
That video is only 22 seconds long. Hardly definitive of all that went on. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #81
Did you see the long one by Susan Sarandon? madfloridian Feb 2016 #85
Have you seen this video? SunSeeker Feb 2016 #150
Sarandon wasn't exactly a neutral or objective observer. Obviously she had a "mission".... George II Feb 2016 #166
good that it came out nt kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #86
The caucus was several hours - this video is TWENTY TWO SECONDS! George II Feb 2016 #96
Susan Sarandon recorded the whole caucus. madfloridian Feb 2016 #99
OH, I see....well in that case.............oh never mind. George II Feb 2016 #101
I saw it posted here somewhere. madfloridian Feb 2016 #105
Here Paulie Feb 2016 #114
The episode in question begins around 53:30 Mike__M Feb 2016 #131
I wonder if our DU 840high Feb 2016 #98
They really want us to leave the Party. plus5mace Feb 2016 #104
Yes, they do. They want us to leave them to their "bipartisanship". madfloridian Feb 2016 #107
They may well get their wish. tHIS 840high Feb 2016 #112
I am going Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #122
"Chanting"? gordyfl Feb 2016 #127
Did she get $100,000 for the Clinton Foundation SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #137
I heard them call out "neutral." These are NICE people. Someone lied about them. senz Feb 2016 #148
+1 BeanMusical Feb 2016 #158
K&R Myrina Feb 2016 #157
Moveon.org has denounced the behavior of the Sanders supporters. George II Feb 2016 #159
Move on's quote at that link. madfloridian Feb 2016 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author Avalux Feb 2016 #163
Kick! FloriTexan Feb 2016 #160
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #162
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
29. Sadly, this Latina is seeing her people
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

being led by power hungry Latinos who are hardly better than the ones who were in charge of us before.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
47. Problem is, it will stick
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

Doesn't matter how many times the accusations against Bernie are debunked, they will stick.
The very sad and horror laden part of this is, Hillary is running a racial/gender dividing campaign.
She is willing to tear apart any and all ties we have with our brothers and sisters of different backgrounds just to get into the Whitehouse. That is what is happening here.

John Lewis insinuating what he did, Gloria Steinem saying what she did, and now Huerta.

We are watching the shredding of our country and it's painful.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
64. Snopes has debunked it and I put the link on
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

Huerta's FB page. But all the innuendo, snark and blatant lies are making it VERY unlikely I will be reconciled to Her or her supporters when this is all over. They'll need our votes and... don't know if they'll get them (IF IT COMES TO THAT AND GOD I HOPE NOT)

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
84. well it would have stuck if it lasted beyond the night but it didn't and now Clinton camp has yet a
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

nother lying egg in their face. seriously how many times does one have to lie before one starts thinking maybe there's something to all the crap they've been saying about her. I didn't want to believe it myself but this does her no favors. You call someone a racist you better have video proof!!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
49. Please no more name calling
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:14 PM
Feb 2016

It's fine to call them out when they are wrong, but we have to stop this uncivil name-calling around here. On both sides. How can we expect or even ask them to stop, when we won't?

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
60. No kidding! It's a cesspool all around this place......
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

I like both candidates, but most of their supporters, not so much. They don't do their candidates any favors.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
121. Huerta Lied And Here is WHY... Pg 34! Read It and Weep $100k To Her Group From Clintons 2010!
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:11 AM
Feb 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568#post5

Above is Delores Huerta Foundation Receiving $100k from Clinton Foundation in 2010

See pdf page 34... There it is! http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

Hillbots could care less how CORRUPT are the Clintons... pitiful
 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
125. It really irritates me when people incorrectly say
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:15 AM
Feb 2016

"could care less" when they should say "couldn't care less".

Education counts. Please learn.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
126. I guess you don't care that Bernie has asked his supporters to not be nasty
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:18 AM
Feb 2016

in responding to Hillary supporters.

It must mean you don't respect Sanders very much.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
79. Huerta posted this on her twitter page:
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

Dolores Huerta
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus

https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies

The video evidence clearly shows that no one did anything such thing.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
144. Do I need to be logged in to twitter to see the replies or
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:22 AM
Feb 2016

is she not allowing the replies to be viewed?

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
12. Yeah BOOM indeed - waiting for Hillary to denounce the LIE - she will do that,right?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

guess I better not hold my breath.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
8. If this is all there is, what's up with the relentless BS coming from Hillary
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

and now some of her supporters? It seems to be contagious.

brush

(53,840 posts)
110. You must know that's over the top.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:17 AM
Feb 2016

Calling a revered Latina activist a liar over a misunderstanding is gonna cost Sanders POC votes.

Not smart.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
119. Watching the video I don't see a misunderstanding, she tweeted
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:06 AM
Feb 2016
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede!

https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies

Please watch the video and then point out the misunderstanding.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
124. A big difference between a misunderstanding and a lie. There were no
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:14 AM
Feb 2016

English only chants. Very sad that it has come to this.

brush

(53,840 posts)
123. I also read that someone did say "English only", one of the officials. She perhaps misunderstood . .
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:13 AM
Feb 2016

thinking it was a Sander supporter.

The BIG point is, why alienate a big part of the electorate by calling a respected activist a liar?

Not smart. The Nevada caucus is over. This stuff will not change the results.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
132. Trying to deflect from what is going on here.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:26 AM
Feb 2016

This needs to be addressed, and Huerta needs to correct her tweet and apologize.

brush

(53,840 posts)
134. You seem like a smart guy
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:32 AM
Feb 2016

How can you possibly think calling Huerta a liar over an apparent misunderstanding is helping Sanders to attract Latino voters, the second largest voting demographic, and who he will need going forward.

Many will resent this. You can already see this in some of the posts here.

Not Smart.

Take the high road and leave this alone as the Nevada caucus is over.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
139. I will leave it alone when I see her correct her statement in her tweet
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016

And apologize to all her Latino supporters for what she did.

She knew what she was doing.

I don't care who does it. When someone public like her lies (or even says something mistakenly that is wrong) they need to correct it. Someone with her power in the Latino community can do a lot of damage to Latinos with Sanders if they believe what she said. She just needs to fix it (even if its the usual non-apology apology)...and the Hillary supporters here who are defending her and jumping with glee over what they thought Bernie supporters did (but didn't), need to apologize too...but I know that will never happen.

brush

(53,840 posts)
140. Like I said, you seem like a smart guy . . .
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:15 AM
Feb 2016

but I'm beginning to think . . . well, never mind. I won't finish that thought but I will say this.

Huerta is 85. Ya think she does her own tweeting?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
141. Oh, so now you are going there...agism?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:16 AM
Feb 2016

My Mom could have tweeted at 85. There are plenty of old timers here on DU. Do youi really want to put that box around people?

brush

(53,840 posts)
143. Just sayin', and many high profile people don't do their own tweets
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:22 AM
Feb 2016

Leave it alone already. This is only going to cost Sanders votes, like the "Stockholm Syndrome" post here did with the AA votes (6-1 for Clinton in Nevada).

Stop shooting Bernie in the foot with this stuff.

brush

(53,840 posts)
147. Excuses? I'm not the one costing votes for my candidate.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:30 AM
Feb 2016

This stuff is being talked about all over SC and the super Tuesday states that the Sanders camp is calling Huerta a liar.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
135. She didn't misunderstand, her tweet was very clear. Video shows what she tweeted
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:36 AM
Feb 2016

did not happen and other people verified that, Susan Sarandon for one. Yes the Nevada caucus is over and this stuff will not change the results. But its out there. There is absolutely no reason to attempt to smear fellow Democrats at a caucus as racists. As a fellow Latina I respected her, but she crossed a line.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
156. I'm sorry, you get no retraction from me. Watch the video.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:33 AM
Feb 2016

That that video doesn't show Bernie supporters chanting "English Only" as she claimed they did.

https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
133. Are you clairvoyent?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:28 AM
Feb 2016

How could you possibly know it was a misunderstanding?

Her twitter post was quite clear.

brush

(53,840 posts)
136. How can you know it wasn't?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:38 AM
Feb 2016

That poorly mike video that didn't pick up every voice in that large space is not proof.

And it's been reported that it was maybe an official, not a Sanders supporter that said "English only".

That's why I think it was a misunderstanding and Huerta thought it came from the Sanders camp.

Anyway, all this will not change the results, but "liar, liar, liar" pertaining to a revered Latina activist and coming from Sanders supporters will certainly cost him some votes from the second largest voter demographic.

And that, I am certain, is not smart.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
138. Because she has already retracted her statement and she herself said
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:04 AM
Feb 2016

It was the caucus moderator who said "english only".

Now she just needs to fix her tweet and apologize and people just might shut up about it.

There are multiple threads going on this, and you haven't kept up. I'm too tired to go looking for the link, but you could google it. I'm off to bed now that my cheesecake is safely in the fridge.

Nighty night.

brush

(53,840 posts)
142. I didn't say it's been reported that someone else said "English only".
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:18 AM
Feb 2016

Take the high road.

This "Huerta is a liar" thing is sure way to lose votes.

And ya really thing the 85-year-old Huerta send out her own tweets?

lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
154. misunderstanding?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:32 AM
Feb 2016

she heard neutral and understood it to be the same as "English Only"?

This from someone who offered to translate English to Spanish? Who is proficient in both languages?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
146. There seems to be a distinction in values: AKA belief in what Machievelli called
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:28 AM
Feb 2016

"the end justifies the means".

I think that is indeed one part of what defines progressives and splits liberals. many progressives believe that in general the end does not justify the means, and in fact that Machievellianist thinking is a form of corruption. I believe Bernie characterizes that aspect (rejects "end justifies means" tactics).

Especially when it comes to war and keeping Democracy, Machiavellian behavior is causing destruction (Mass media lying (Narratizing), government has basically accepted deception as a normal tool toward the people, etc).

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
117. That is why I am thinking this clip is truncated. It's a shame, because you can hear better than
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:55 AM
Feb 2016

the original one. People hissing. Classy.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
129. Huerta has already admitted it was not a Sander's supporter
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:23 AM
Feb 2016

Who said english only. It was the moderator who was trying to decide who would translate. And she chose no translation over a possibly biased one.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
14. Hillary and Her Supporters Need to Knock It Off!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

By playing these Rovian games, the run the risk of alienating the whole party. It's like Civil Rights photo and the Bernie is not a supporter of Israel crap. We are getting sick of the campaign acting like Donald Segretti in 1972!

43. Oops White House Defends Sanders
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016

Remember the data breach incident. Bernie wanted an independent investigation--where are the results??? Also White House defend Sanders against Clinton claims that Sanders has attacked POTUS. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017331747

azmom

(5,208 posts)
15. They are saying Neutral. Dolores Huerta, regardless
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

of her status in the immigrant community, is a Huge Clinton supporter. I'm Latina and I would have done the same.

39. Nevada Caucus
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

I could be wrong but it makes sense that Bernie supporters wanted a non partisan translator that is why they were yelling neutral.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
23. What is going to happen when people come to rightly assume that most social justice movements...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

...are nothing but organs of the Democratic Party Machine and don't give a shit about actual people? First it was Feminists, then black civil rights leaders, and now respected Latino activists have been shown to be compromised.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
28. About reached my limit of name-calling toward Bernie's supporters.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

We called ourselves Deaniacs in 2004 proudly. It somehow wasn't as personal.

No more Bernie Bros, no more saying we are NOT DEMOCRATS, no more having David Brock's Rove-like attacks daily.

I have always been a Democrat, but I can not take any more name-calling and lies.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
56. I agree. I've had enough too
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:26 PM
Feb 2016

But...we have to do the same. No more name calling of Hillary or her supporters.

It's just making this primary a pig fight. If you call someone a name it means you disrespect them. I can disagree with someone's point of view and still respect them. We need to try to bring a modicum of respect back to this forum.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
61. I don't call names, I never have.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

However I have seen things escalate into a contest pitting races against each other.

I can only speak for myself, and I don't do name-calling.

Does it matter that I don't? Not at all. I am lumped with others as a Bernie Bro or whatever.



Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
82. Insults are all they have.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:28 AM
Feb 2016

I have been a Democrat from my earliest days. I have voted Democratic in every election and I have never missed a one. They're fools if they say I'm not a Democrat. I'm exactly a Democrat in my priorities and my legislative goals.

I have little respect for the Clinton machine. This campaign is a reflection of their integrity. I seriously doubt they can win the general election.

 

left lowrider

(97 posts)
26. That makes more sense- the idea that the MORE LEFT supporters are racist is counterintuitive
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

The whole Rovian narrative that Sanders supporters are not racially progressive makes no sense at all.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
54. She completely changed her story
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

So now you need to decide, which Dolores Huerta do you stand behind?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. If you believe her, please provide a video or sound that proves that she is right.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

The video above disproves her claim. Are there other videos of that scene?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
165. I'm not good with some of these websites so I could not find it, but here in Southern
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

California, a translator and sometimes more than one, is standard at all civic and political events at which it is requested. Anyone who would object just does not know our society and our customs.

I am shocked that the organizers of the caucus did not prepare better. The organizers should have appointed translators and not just for Spanish well before the caucus. Shame on the Democratic Party organizers.

I can understand that the voters would want a neutral translator who had not spoken out for a specific candidate. That seems very reasonable to me.

Just asking for "a translator" and taking the first Spanish-speaking person to arrive at the stage is a stupid thing to do. I speak a couple of languages and my husband is truly bi-lingual. Translators are people trained to verify that they are translating correctly. The Democratic Party should have asked for translators trained to translate for the courts when possible.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
152. Exactly. Particularly since there is video evidence that corroborates Huerta.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:37 AM
Feb 2016

 Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores 

Scroll down to the third video.

Snopes apparently did not have this video when making its assessment.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
35. Two words clearly, Neutro and Neutral
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

in the modern age when people literally record everything... it will be on youtube soon.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
37. How can you tell anything from such a short clip?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Is that the entire incident? The tape runs under 15 seconds.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
38. there are dozens and dozens of videos waiting for the public
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

a LONG history has been recorded and it isn't kind to one



Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)
40. Well you know Bernie did win the Latino vote in NV - so something has to be done
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

to stop that momentum. This seems like a perfect thing to be blown up so that it's all over the internet, talked about on "news" programs, tweeted about and then when the truth is found - crickets!

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
41. All part of a Pattern
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary feels so entitled to the presidency that she is using Nixonian/Rovian tactics to smear and try to destroy Bernie Sanders:

1. Claire McCaskill: (Billionaire Husband) insinuates Bernie is a commie.
2. Bernie's campaign data breech set up (BS)
3. Rep Luis Gutierrez: Bernie hates immigrants (BS)
4. Bernie is not a faith Jew because he doesn't support Israel enough. (BS)
5. The Civil Rights arrest photo is not really Bernie, (it was) so African American should vote for Hillary.
6. Bernie Supporters supposedly yell in English, yet the video shows otherwise.

This CANNOT be a coincidence! David Brock is playing Karl Rove or Donald Segretti and WE ARE GETTING REALLY SICK OF IT!

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
44. They shouted 'neutral'.....
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:02 PM
Feb 2016
ThinkProgress reached out to the Sanders campaign for comment but did not receive a response. However, supporters of his campaign who were at the caucus in question told ThinkProgress Huerta’s representation is not accurate. Erin Cruz, a nurse who traveled from Vermillion, Ohio to volunteer for the Sanders campaign, said she and other Sanders’ supporters shouted “neutral,” not “no” or “English-only.”

“Dolores is a prominent and influential Latina and Hillary supporter should not be allowed to act as translator for the entire caucus as she was clearly for the Hillary camp and was head to toe in Hillary gear,” she said. “There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, ‘Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only.’ That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
46. Where Are the Hillary Supporters Now?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:04 PM
Feb 2016

Crickets. Come on; please tell us how this is just yet another isolated event.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
55. How does this prove it wasn't said?
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:21 PM
Feb 2016

It's not on this video, it proves this video did not record someone saying it.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
75. It's on Snopes
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016
Later on 18 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”


http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

You can now see she isn't asserting they were yelling "English only" anymore

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
77. Yep, she's now clearly saying they only shouted "no no no"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

not "English only"

Because of her extreme partisanship these past few weeks, it only stands to reason there were calls for neutro!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
78. I heard both neutro and neutral
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

and I have listened to the video a few times now.

I should probably download it and enhance the sound.

renate

(13,776 posts)
59. I keep trying to stay positive about both sides
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

This isn't helping....

We're going to have to work together (well, most of us will--I realize some people won't vote for anyone but their preferred candidate, which is understandable, especially given stuff like this), and I wish these kinds of things wouldn't happen. It's going to make it just that much harder to pull together later. Plus it's disappointing on a personal level.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
67. I'm becoming very
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

embittered by them. But the fruit don't fall far from the tree. Also, the fish rots from the head. (what other expressions can i stretch? LOL)

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
69. .
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

Confusion at a large raucous gathering of human beings.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291321

Susan Sarandon ‏@SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/

“What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator,” she said. “So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout ‘no, no, no.’ Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we won’t have a translator.”

snip

"A video posted online on Saturday purports to show Huerta being shouted down by Sanders supporters, but no “English-only” chants are distinguishable, although one person can be heard yelling, “Neutral.” Another person can be heard saying “Pero necesitamos Español” (“But we need Spanish”) from behind the camera, as well as, “It’s Dolores Huerta, my goodness.” The video can be seen below."

snip

"However, another attendee at the event has challenged Huerta’s statements. Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses’ union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for “English-only” during the event, and not any Sanders supporter. "


SNOPES:

Flickr
CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.

FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via Twitter, February 2016]


ORIGIN:On 20 February 2016, the Nevada Democratic caucuses ended in a victory for Hillary Clinton. Not long after that, actress America Ferrera tweeted that that supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only!" at longtime civil rights activist Dolores Huerta (who had apparently offered to translate from English to Spanish at an event at Harrah's casino on the Las Vegas strip), objecting to a translation of remarks from English to Spanish:


Shortly thereafter, Huerta tweeted:


Huerta initially didn't specify how she identified the chanters as Sanders supporters. We spoke to Erin Cruz, who was present at the rally with a nurses' union to support Sanders:


Cruz told us she was accompanied by ten other nurses and actors Susan Sarandon and Gabby Hoffman. Cruz said she was unaware of any recording during the disputed chanting:

@KimLaCapria @brooklynmarie I don't know that anyone was recording, but I would gladly give a statement along with all the other nurses. — Erin Cruz (@neuroticnurse75) February 20, 2016

A video of Huerta speaking surfaced not long afterward:

Huerta has been extremely outspoken in her support for Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, and in fact was at the Nevada event to stump for her.

Later on 18 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
70. Thank you madflorian
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

I'm glad people are setting the facts straight on this.

Sadly even when these things are false they set a tone. The Clinton campaign wants to drive a wedge between Hispanics and white-anglo progressives. So this is how it plays out.

The politics of racial division are huge this year.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
71. Don't think I've ever been so discouraged from voting
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:03 AM
Feb 2016

Race and gender is being used so cynically that I'm getting to the point of throwing up my hands.

Bernie began this race as a socialist hero on DU, and he's ending it as a racist, sexist guy who takes big money from bankers. Now his supporters are having stories made up against them.

I'll turn off my TV for 8 months and check the news on Nov 9 to see who's president. That's really all I'm feeling now.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. Alas that is the objective
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:07 AM
Feb 2016

to suppress the vote

On a very serious note, Trump will be the GOP candidate, and he had a good chance of becoming president. But this is how oligarchies work.

Mind you, I vote to remain in practice, because I do not care who "we elect" I expect no changes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
166. Sarandon wasn't exactly a neutral or objective observer. Obviously she had a "mission"....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

....accosting Huerta long before the incident that she said never happened:

Starts in earnest around the 50 second mark:

https://vid.me/MOGL

Pretty obnoxious and aggressive.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
131. The episode in question begins around 53:30
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:26 AM
Feb 2016

..but who needs factual evidence in a case like this?

plus5mace

(140 posts)
104. They really want us to leave the Party.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Feb 2016

It's just come to that. They want us to leave and never come back.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
127. "Chanting"?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

She used the word "Chanting". I didn'r hear any chanting whatsoever.
Perhaps, giving her the benefit of doubt, one person (or two) may have asked her to speak in English so they could understand exactly what she had said.
I heard one guy with an American accent use the word Espanol, but "Chanting"? More dirty politics from the Team Clinton side.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
148. I heard them call out "neutral." These are NICE people. Someone lied about them.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:36 AM
Feb 2016

It sickens me.

Everything associated with Hillary Clinton ends up this way.

Something is very, very, very wrong.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
161. Move on's quote at that link.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

"Shameful and totally unacceptable if reports are accurate.
5:45 PM - 20 Feb 2016"

I have quit following two favorites at Crooks and Liars because of their undying loyalty no matter what to Hillary and their unceasing attacks on Bernie supporters.

That has always been one of my favorite sites, but I have temporarily unsubscribed to their emails because of that.

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