2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSnopes got the video. They were shouting out "neutral".
Here is the Twitter page of the Snopes content manager.
@KimLaCapria
She has found a video of the incident at caucus about Bernie folks shouting at Huerta.
I can understand the calls for a neutral translator after the things Huerta has said about Bernie this week.
Snopes now upgrades it to a FALSE.
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)That's shocking,
artislife
(9,497 posts)being led by power hungry Latinos who are hardly better than the ones who were in charge of us before.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I was timid typing that but I feel it is true.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)can't wait for the next #slandersanders meme
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Doesn't matter how many times the accusations against Bernie are debunked, they will stick.
The very sad and horror laden part of this is, Hillary is running a racial/gender dividing campaign.
She is willing to tear apart any and all ties we have with our brothers and sisters of different backgrounds just to get into the Whitehouse. That is what is happening here.
John Lewis insinuating what he did, Gloria Steinem saying what she did, and now Huerta.
We are watching the shredding of our country and it's painful.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Huerta's FB page. But all the innuendo, snark and blatant lies are making it VERY unlikely I will be reconciled to Her or her supporters when this is all over. They'll need our votes and... don't know if they'll get them (IF IT COMES TO THAT AND GOD I HOPE NOT)
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)nother lying egg in their face. seriously how many times does one have to lie before one starts thinking maybe there's something to all the crap they've been saying about her. I didn't want to believe it myself but this does her no favors. You call someone a racist you better have video proof!!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I never heard any English only chant. Seems to be another outright lie.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It's fine to call them out when they are wrong, but we have to stop this uncivil name-calling around here. On both sides. How can we expect or even ask them to stop, when we won't?
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)I like both candidates, but most of their supporters, not so much. They don't do their candidates any favors.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Let's not do the circular firing squad thing.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Above is Delores Huerta Foundation Receiving $100k from Clinton Foundation in 2010
See pdf page 34... There it is! http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf
Hillbots could care less how CORRUPT are the Clintons... pitiful
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)"could care less" when they should say "couldn't care less".
Education counts. Please learn.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)in responding to Hillary supporters.
It must mean you don't respect Sanders very much.
6chars
(3,967 posts)it doesn't work that way
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Dolores Huerta
I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus
https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies
The video evidence clearly shows that no one did anything such thing.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)is she not allowing the replies to be viewed?
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)You can hear it clearly. Neutral!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)guess I better not hold my breath.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Have you met Hillary Rodham Clinton?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I was just going further...
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)do tend to do that
artislife
(9,497 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)and then I log back on) This is nuts.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)I'm glad another dirty smear attempt failed abysmally.
Broward
(1,976 posts)and now some of her supporters? It seems to be contagious.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)Calling a revered Latina activist a liar over a misunderstanding is gonna cost Sanders POC votes.
Not smart.
840high
(17,196 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)Not smart at all.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)https://twitter.com/DoloresHuerta/with_replies
Please watch the video and then point out the misunderstanding.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)it was a lie.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)English only chants. Very sad that it has come to this.
brush
(53,840 posts)thinking it was a Sander supporter.
The BIG point is, why alienate a big part of the electorate by calling a respected activist a liar?
Not smart. The Nevada caucus is over. This stuff will not change the results.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)She knew who said it. She was standing right there.
brush
(53,840 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)This needs to be addressed, and Huerta needs to correct her tweet and apologize.
brush
(53,840 posts)How can you possibly think calling Huerta a liar over an apparent misunderstanding is helping Sanders to attract Latino voters, the second largest voting demographic, and who he will need going forward.
Many will resent this. You can already see this in some of the posts here.
Not Smart.
Take the high road and leave this alone as the Nevada caucus is over.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And apologize to all her Latino supporters for what she did.
She knew what she was doing.
I don't care who does it. When someone public like her lies (or even says something mistakenly that is wrong) they need to correct it. Someone with her power in the Latino community can do a lot of damage to Latinos with Sanders if they believe what she said. She just needs to fix it (even if its the usual non-apology apology)...and the Hillary supporters here who are defending her and jumping with glee over what they thought Bernie supporters did (but didn't), need to apologize too...but I know that will never happen.
brush
(53,840 posts)but I'm beginning to think . . . well, never mind. I won't finish that thought but I will say this.
Huerta is 85. Ya think she does her own tweeting?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)My Mom could have tweeted at 85. There are plenty of old timers here on DU. Do youi really want to put that box around people?
brush
(53,840 posts)Leave it alone already. This is only going to cost Sanders votes, like the "Stockholm Syndrome" post here did with the AA votes (6-1 for Clinton in Nevada).
Stop shooting Bernie in the foot with this stuff.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)This stuff is being talked about all over SC and the super Tuesday states that the Sanders camp is calling Huerta a liar.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)did not happen and other people verified that, Susan Sarandon for one. Yes the Nevada caucus is over and this stuff will not change the results. But its out there. There is absolutely no reason to attempt to smear fellow Democrats at a caucus as racists. As a fellow Latina I respected her, but she crossed a line.
brush
(53,840 posts)Scroll down to the third video.
Retract at your leisure.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)That that video doesn't show Bernie supporters chanting "English Only" as she claimed they did.
https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)How could you possibly know it was a misunderstanding?
Her twitter post was quite clear.
brush
(53,840 posts)That poorly mike video that didn't pick up every voice in that large space is not proof.
And it's been reported that it was maybe an official, not a Sanders supporter that said "English only".
That's why I think it was a misunderstanding and Huerta thought it came from the Sanders camp.
Anyway, all this will not change the results, but "liar, liar, liar" pertaining to a revered Latina activist and coming from Sanders supporters will certainly cost him some votes from the second largest voter demographic.
And that, I am certain, is not smart.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It was the caucus moderator who said "english only".
Now she just needs to fix her tweet and apologize and people just might shut up about it.
There are multiple threads going on this, and you haven't kept up. I'm too tired to go looking for the link, but you could google it. I'm off to bed now that my cheesecake is safely in the fridge.
Nighty night.
brush
(53,840 posts)Take the high road.
This "Huerta is a liar" thing is sure way to lose votes.
And ya really thing the 85-year-old Huerta send out her own tweets?
brush
(53,840 posts)Scroll down to the third video.
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)she heard neutral and understood it to be the same as "English Only"?
This from someone who offered to translate English to Spanish? Who is proficient in both languages?
newthinking
(3,982 posts)"the end justifies the means".
I think that is indeed one part of what defines progressives and splits liberals. many progressives believe that in general the end does not justify the means, and in fact that Machievellianist thinking is a form of corruption. I believe Bernie characterizes that aspect (rejects "end justifies means" tactics).
Especially when it comes to war and keeping Democracy, Machiavellian behavior is causing destruction (Mass media lying (Narratizing), government has basically accepted deception as a normal tool toward the people, etc).
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the original one. People hissing. Classy.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Who said english only. It was the moderator who was trying to decide who would translate. And she chose no translation over a possibly biased one.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)By playing these Rovian games, the run the risk of alienating the whole party. It's like Civil Rights photo and the Bernie is not a supporter of Israel crap. We are getting sick of the campaign acting like Donald Segretti in 1972!
liberal from boston
(856 posts)Remember the data breach incident. Bernie wanted an independent investigation--where are the results??? Also White House defend Sanders against Clinton claims that Sanders has attacked POTUS. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017331747
azmom
(5,208 posts)of her status in the immigrant community, is a Huge Clinton supporter. I'm Latina and I would have done the same.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)liberal from boston
(856 posts)I could be wrong but it makes sense that Bernie supporters wanted a non partisan translator that is why they were yelling neutral.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)right!!!
840high
(17,196 posts)her in the WH.
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)to our allies.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...are nothing but organs of the Democratic Party Machine and don't give a shit about actual people? First it was Feminists, then black civil rights leaders, and now respected Latino activists have been shown to be compromised.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We called ourselves Deaniacs in 2004 proudly. It somehow wasn't as personal.
No more Bernie Bros, no more saying we are NOT DEMOCRATS, no more having David Brock's Rove-like attacks daily.
I have always been a Democrat, but I can not take any more name-calling and lies.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But...we have to do the same. No more name calling of Hillary or her supporters.
It's just making this primary a pig fight. If you call someone a name it means you disrespect them. I can disagree with someone's point of view and still respect them. We need to try to bring a modicum of respect back to this forum.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)However I have seen things escalate into a contest pitting races against each other.
I can only speak for myself, and I don't do name-calling.
Does it matter that I don't? Not at all. I am lumped with others as a Bernie Bro or whatever.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I have been a Democrat from my earliest days. I have voted Democratic in every election and I have never missed a one. They're fools if they say I'm not a Democrat. I'm exactly a Democrat in my priorities and my legislative goals.
I have little respect for the Clinton machine. This campaign is a reflection of their integrity. I seriously doubt they can win the general election.
840high
(17,196 posts)sure my whole email list knows it.
left lowrider
(97 posts)The whole Rovian narrative that Sanders supporters are not racially progressive makes no sense at all.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Kall
(615 posts)mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)bigtree
(86,005 posts)...I believe Dolores Huerta.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)So now you need to decide, which Dolores Huerta do you stand behind?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)and tell me where you hear "English Only".
Logical
(22,457 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The video above disproves her claim. Are there other videos of that scene?
SunSeeker
(51,664 posts) Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores
Scroll down to the third video.
Guess Snopes missed that one.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)California, a translator and sometimes more than one, is standard at all civic and political events at which it is requested. Anyone who would object just does not know our society and our customs.
I am shocked that the organizers of the caucus did not prepare better. The organizers should have appointed translators and not just for Spanish well before the caucus. Shame on the Democratic Party organizers.
I can understand that the voters would want a neutral translator who had not spoken out for a specific candidate. That seems very reasonable to me.
Just asking for "a translator" and taking the first Spanish-speaking person to arrive at the stage is a stupid thing to do. I speak a couple of languages and my husband is truly bi-lingual. Translators are people trained to verify that they are translating correctly. The Democratic Party should have asked for translators trained to translate for the courts when possible.
840high
(17,196 posts)SunSeeker
(51,664 posts) Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores
Scroll down to the third video.
Snopes apparently did not have this video when making its assessment.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)in the modern age when people literally record everything... it will be on youtube soon.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Is that the entire incident? The tape runs under 15 seconds.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)a LONG history has been recorded and it isn't kind to one
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)to stop that momentum. This seems like a perfect thing to be blown up so that it's all over the internet, talked about on "news" programs, tweeted about and then when the truth is found - crickets!
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Hillary feels so entitled to the presidency that she is using Nixonian/Rovian tactics to smear and try to destroy Bernie Sanders:
1. Claire McCaskill: (Billionaire Husband) insinuates Bernie is a commie.
2. Bernie's campaign data breech set up (BS)
3. Rep Luis Gutierrez: Bernie hates immigrants (BS)
4. Bernie is not a faith Jew because he doesn't support Israel enough. (BS)
5. The Civil Rights arrest photo is not really Bernie, (it was) so African American should vote for Hillary.
6. Bernie Supporters supposedly yell in English, yet the video shows otherwise.
This CANNOT be a coincidence! David Brock is playing Karl Rove or Donald Segretti and WE ARE GETTING REALLY SICK OF IT!
840high
(17,196 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Dolores is a prominent and influential Latina and Hillary supporter should not be allowed to act as translator for the entire caucus as she was clearly for the Hillary camp and was head to toe in Hillary gear, she said. There were many, many others who could have acted as a translator, but she was being ushered down the aisle. The moderator then said whomever can get to the stage first can translate. Then both sides took issue with that. The moderator at that point then said, Since no agreement can be made, we will proceed in English only. That did not come from anyone at the Bernie camp.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/20/3751830/dolores-huerta-interview/
Milliesmom
(493 posts)CNN needs to do a correction on this story.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Crickets. Come on; please tell us how this is just yet another isolated event.
jfern
(5,204 posts)That proved their point
Avalux
(35,015 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)It's not on this video, it proves this video did not record someone saying it.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I really want to have it in my files
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did, she said. Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. Its ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasnt accurate, Im sure somebody would have corrected me.
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
You can now see she isn't asserting they were yelling "English only" anymore
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Silly me, should have looked at Snopes more carefully
Arazi
(6,829 posts)not "English only"
Because of her extreme partisanship these past few weeks, it only stands to reason there were calls for neutro!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I have listened to the video a few times now.
I should probably download it and enhance the sound.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Way to go Hillary campaign.
renate
(13,776 posts)This isn't helping....
We're going to have to work together (well, most of us will--I realize some people won't vote for anyone but their preferred candidate, which is understandable, especially given stuff like this), and I wish these kinds of things wouldn't happen. It's going to make it just that much harder to pull together later. Plus it's disappointing on a personal level.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I've never seen anything like it.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)embittered by them. But the fruit don't fall far from the tree. Also, the fish rots from the head. (what other expressions can i stretch? LOL)
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)As far as I know he has never recanted. Just dug the hole deeper.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Confusion at a large raucous gathering of human beings.
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511291321
Susan Sarandon @SusanSarandon 1h1 hour ago
.@AmericaFerrera I was there. Nobody frm Bernie's side said English only. Moderator did when no neutral translator was found@DoloresHuerta
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/civil-rights-activist-dolores-huerta-sanders-backers-shut-me-down-for-offering-spanish-translation/
What happened is the person who was running the caucus said we need a translator and he said the first person that comes to the stage can be the translator, she said. So I walked up to the front and then some of the organizers, the Bernie organizers, decided to shout no, no, no. Then a Bernie person stood up and said, I can also do translation. So then the person running the caucus said we wont have a translator.
snip
"A video posted online on Saturday purports to show Huerta being shouted down by Sanders supporters, but no English-only chants are distinguishable, although one person can be heard yelling, Neutral. Another person can be heard saying Pero necesitamos Español (But we need Spanish) from behind the camera, as well as, Its Dolores Huerta, my goodness. The video can be seen below."
snip
"However, another attendee at the event has challenged Huertas statements. Erin Cruz told the fact-checking site Snopes that she was at the event along with members of a nurses union as well as actresses Gabby Hoffman and Susan Sarandon, and said that it was the moderator who asked for English-only during the event, and not any Sanders supporter. "
SNOPES:
Flickr
CLAIM: Supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only" at civil rights activist Dolores Huerta during one Nevada caucus event, ostensibly objecting to a translation of remarks into Spanish.
FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected via Twitter, February 2016]
ORIGIN:On 20 February 2016, the Nevada Democratic caucuses ended in a victory for Hillary Clinton. Not long after that, actress America Ferrera tweeted that that supporters of Bernie Sanders shouted "English only!" at longtime civil rights activist Dolores Huerta (who had apparently offered to translate from English to Spanish at an event at Harrah's casino on the Las Vegas strip), objecting to a translation of remarks from English to Spanish:
Shortly thereafter, Huerta tweeted:
Huerta initially didn't specify how she identified the chanters as Sanders supporters. We spoke to Erin Cruz, who was present at the rally with a nurses' union to support Sanders:
Cruz told us she was accompanied by ten other nurses and actors Susan Sarandon and Gabby Hoffman. Cruz said she was unaware of any recording during the disputed chanting:
@KimLaCapria @brooklynmarie I don't know that anyone was recording, but I would gladly give a statement along with all the other nurses. Erin Cruz (@neuroticnurse75) February 20, 2016
A video of Huerta speaking surfaced not long afterward:
Huerta has been extremely outspoken in her support for Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, and in fact was at the Nevada event to stump for her.
Later on 18 February 2016, Huerta told ThinkProgress that she was able to identify Sanders' supporters as the "room was divided with the Hillary people on one side and the Bernie people on the other." Huerta also elaborated upon the "English only" claim:
The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did, she said. Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. Its ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasnt accurate, Im sure somebody would have corrected me.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I'm glad people are setting the facts straight on this.
Sadly even when these things are false they set a tone. The Clinton campaign wants to drive a wedge between Hispanics and white-anglo progressives. So this is how it plays out.
The politics of racial division are huge this year.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Race and gender is being used so cynically that I'm getting to the point of throwing up my hands.
Bernie began this race as a socialist hero on DU, and he's ending it as a racist, sexist guy who takes big money from bankers. Now his supporters are having stories made up against them.
I'll turn off my TV for 8 months and check the news on Nov 9 to see who's president. That's really all I'm feeling now.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)to suppress the vote
On a very serious note, Trump will be the GOP candidate, and he had a good chance of becoming president. But this is how oligarchies work.
Mind you, I vote to remain in practice, because I do not care who "we elect" I expect no changes.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)we need to vote vote vote!
SunSeeker
(51,664 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)SunSeeker
(51,664 posts) Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores
Scroll down to the third video.
George II
(67,782 posts)....accosting Huerta long before the incident that she said never happened:
Starts in earnest around the 50 second mark:
https://vid.me/MOGL
Pretty obnoxious and aggressive.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Where is the rest then?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I also saw it elsewhere. You might do a search.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)..but who needs factual evidence in a case like this?
840high
(17,196 posts)lie spreaders will apologize?
plus5mace
(140 posts)It's just come to that. They want us to leave and never come back.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)is not the party I grew up with.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)independent!
gordyfl
(598 posts)She used the word "Chanting". I didn'r hear any chanting whatsoever.
Perhaps, giving her the benefit of doubt, one person (or two) may have asked her to speak in English so they could understand exactly what she had said.
I heard one guy with an American accent use the word Espanol, but "Chanting"? More dirty politics from the Team Clinton side.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)???
senz
(11,945 posts)It sickens me.
Everything associated with Hillary Clinton ends up this way.
Something is very, very, very wrong.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)nt
George II
(67,782 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)"Shameful and totally unacceptable if reports are accurate.
5:45 PM - 20 Feb 2016"
I have quit following two favorites at Crooks and Liars because of their undying loyalty no matter what to Hillary and their unceasing attacks on Bernie supporters.
That has always been one of my favorite sites, but I have temporarily unsubscribed to their emails because of that.
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FloriTexan
(838 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.