2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWatching Trump victory speech and I'm scared to death.
We must unite and turn out to vote for whoever gets the nomination!!! This is frightening.
elleng
(130,964 posts)'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand,
we are going to lose.'
Marco Rubio
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)You really think that a majority of Americans, not Republicans, have a higher opinion of him?
elleng
(130,964 posts)However, I'd rather not have such a contest in the General election; would prefer Dems run a candidate with few if any negatives.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I really don't even know what to say...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)'Mexico is going to pay for the wall! They will be thrilled to pay for the wall. We're going to be the "smart people". '
OMG.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)We're going to load up Gitmo with BAD DUEDS.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Guy feared being "husky" size.
Qutzupalotl
(14,316 posts)No wonder he reminds me so much of Hitler, who was injecting methamphetamines.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Good publicists know the value of a good photo, too.
That explains a lot
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)That is what boggles.
His linchpin campaign soundbyte is that he's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
Helloooo???
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Aka the driving force behind this election.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)They were already voting for a racist party-- might as well go all the way
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)" I love the poorly educated ." I bet he does!
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Satch59
(1,353 posts)He says nothing of substance and his supporters just eat it up... His 2 trophy hunter sons next to him just underscores how pathetic this all is...
I don't care if it's Hillary or Bernie...the Democratic Party has to unite and not let this mockery of our political system continue.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I pledge to vote for Bernie should he be the nominee. In a heart beat!!
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Our candidates talk about forgiveness and bringing people together while Trump talks about the opposite. It's truly frightening.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)forget preference - who wouldn't get off their rear end to cast a vote against this guy - is not only not a Democrat, but is someone who simply does not care about people.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... there is a small subset of individuals who'll be so personally disappointed with our party's nominee that they will be obsessed with "revenge" and "teaching someone a lesson". Oh, you know the ones I mean ... they're the ones who regularly suggest that in order to "rebuild the party" we must "destroy it".
That makes about as much sense as a homeowner with a leaky pipe who wants to burn down his entire house rather than just fix the plumbing. It's not very smart.
But, fortunately, it is a small subset. Folks who actually think like that aren't as common in real life as the frequency of their posts here would suggest.
Go, Hillary! We love you!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)is relatively small. Hopefully they will come around should he be the nominee. I think it is bluster at this point.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Revenge will not be the motive for people not voting.
Many will simply see it that Hillary is not much different than a Republican.
Despite her many accomplishments, Hillary is not an inspirational figure to people who are not already in love with her.
She does not motivate the youth vote, and she certainly will not bring the independent vote.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No, I didn't. Look again. I chose my words with care. Your characterization of my observations is unfair.
Yes it will.
Thoughtful and mature voters will be able to make the distinction.
She's infinitely more qualified than ALL of the candidates from BOTH parties.
I have more confidence in the intelligence of the "youth vote" and "independent vote".
Go, Hillary! We love you!
earthshine
(1,642 posts)> Revenge will not be the motive for people not voting.
The motivation will be apathy. I see it all around me. People don't care enough.
> Thoughtful and mature voters will be able to make the distinction.
I'd say you described about 20% of the voting population here.
> I have more confidence in the intelligence of the "youth vote" and "independent vote".
Not the polls I've seen. Not the interviews I've heard.
Republicans and conservatives hate Hillary more than you could ever love her. They are well known for voting against what they don't want. They will be more motivated and organized to not vote for her than anyone who is not already a supporter to vote for her.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Many more moderate Republicans will indeed vote for Hillary over a Trump. If Team Bernie supporters are too apathetic to vote, that is their problem. I have a lot more confidence in the youth of this country than that.
earthshine
(1,642 posts)Republican rank-and-file hate Hillary as they have been told to do so by Rush and Hannity for 25 years.
It's the Republican establishment that dislikes Trump, and they are learning now to embrace him. Republican voters seem to love him.
People who are actually on Team Bernie will largely come out to vote for the Democratic candidate.
The youth feel disenfranchised by consecutive administrations asserting corporate control over our democracy. They will not come out to vote for anyone but Bernie.
We can agree to disagree or not. I do not care.
If you respond to this, you may have the last word. I will not answer you.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)Trump.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Whoever the Nominee is I pledge to vote my party.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)We are witnessing the beginning of the end of our country as we know it.
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)are these people simpletons, bigots or both? It would be funny if it were not so frightening.
Dear Lord, what is the rest of the world thinking about Americans?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)is the best candidate to defeat the billionaire
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)You wouldn't believe the number of people I have personally heard declare they will only vote for either Bernie or Trump.
californiabernin
(421 posts)We are headed overva cliff unless we can get Sanders the nomination! Its plain as day to me!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It's a small sample but that's all I been hearing: Bernie or Trump.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And everybody's shouting; which side are you on?
californiabernin
(421 posts)Voters do not want a continuation and the are sick of politics as usual. They are looking for the real, not more of the same.
Trump will even attack Hillary for her Iraq war vote!
and there may be a supeona coming...
Lorien
(31,935 posts)he's the only candidate who can take Trump out, period!
Broward
(1,976 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)who cannot see the value of an intelligent, dignified man like Pres. Obama, but would vote for a complete moron like Trump, is what makes me despair of humanity.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Unless you think it's okay to go down with the sinking ship.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... is also not "electable" enough to win the general election. (In my opinion.)
Go, Hillary! We love you!
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I hope it'll be Bernie but that seems like a long shot - but if Trump gets in the white house I worry we might end up with a dictatorship.
Bryant
Pika78
(55 posts)OK, I'm going to have to post yet ANOTHER article from the Daily Banter here, but as usual, it's spot on.
The Political Press Needs To Grow a Pair When It Comes To Dealing With Trump
Donald Trump isn't your average candidate and he isn't running your average campaign. It's time for the political media to stop pretending he is.
Picture for just a moment, say, Jake Tapper. Hes a fantastic political journalist and a seemingly decent guy, someone whos always above-board and who tends to call it like he sees it, minus any of the usual ass-kissing or side-taking we see in a lot of others of his ilk. You can easily imagine Tapper succinctly putting political miscreants in their place because hes competent and dedicated enough to understand that politics isnt simply a horse race; there are real-world consequences to who the people choose to represent them and the decisions those leaders make while in office. And yet, while hes called out a few individual transgressions during this election cycle, for reasons no one with a working frontal lobe will ever comprehend Jake Tapper has yet to just stand up and quit on national television in protest of what the hell this election season is saying about America. He should. He should lose his mind on-air. In fact, anybody covering this miasma should lose his or her mind.
Full article: http://thedailybanter.com/2016/02/political-press-needs-to-hit-trump-hard/
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The democratic candidate MUST WIN the general or we will be well and truly ****ed in this country.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)nominate sanders...
otherwise he'll be your next President.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)It'd hope.
I'm not personally scared of Trump. And I'll refuse to vote for someone I don't trust and think is extremely corrupt.
The Hillary supporters should be thankful that Hillary isn't their only option.
But by embracing someone that is going to lose in the GE they're going to get what THEY are afraid of.
I'd suggest voting for what you want though.
I haven't really heard any Clinton supporters say what they think they're gonna get from Hillary though.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Democrats are 30% of the electorate. 30% is not enough to win.
We are going to need left-leaning independents, and we can't rely on "Republican bad!!!" to get them. They are to the left o the median Democrat, so "not as bad" is not sufficient.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Nothing good ever comes from making a decision based on fear (unless your life is in immediate danger).
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)You can't do both. Choose which one matters more.