2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary will crush it in SC Saturday, win big on Super Tuesday, and then it is OVER.
The writing is all over the wall. Hillary is going to win HUGE on Saturday in SC, which will propel her into Super Tuesday (where she's already ahead) where she'll win big, and then it is OVER. Insurmountable delegate count and momentum from there.
Bernie Sanders is a good man with a good heart. But he's a regional candidate, and the American electorate will not elect a European-type socialist to the American presidency.
And in the general election, Hillary will take the racist carnival barker who is Trump to the woodshed. Hillary's political team is already forming their plans to take down his mega-asshat who will most likely be the ReSLUGlican nominee.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Unless the Democrats Run Sanders, A Trump Nomination Means a Trump Presidency
Democrats need to seriously and pragmatically assess their strategy for defeating Trump. A Clinton run would be disastrous; Bernie Sanders is their only hope.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)and he's not
http://www.scribd.com/doc/300039118/AAN-Poll-of-Progressives-on-Socialism
And by pretending that that is what this is all about you're sleepwalking into a Trump Presidency.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)a fascist.
Americans are Socialist. We are all card carrying Socialist. Even you have have a Socialist Security Card.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Christ, why is that so hard to understand?
Bernie is as much a socialist as all of us. He just wants to use social programs more effectively.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)for heavens sake, trump tweeted Rubio was not eligible to run the other day.
The GOP have yet to start their attack on BS. Socialist will be every third word out of their mouths.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)so-- this time they really mean it?
Sure...
DrDan
(20,411 posts)that will flood the airwaves
"I am a socialist and everyone knows that"
big difference
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and the GOP being endless hypocrites and assholes. Will it do anything?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They liked him so much that they elected him for FOUR terms, then made a Constitutional Amendment to prevent it from happening again.
Ever heard of Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Reply #4)
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ladjf
(17,320 posts)infallible people in our midst.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)People won't vote for the LIAR. THAT IS REALITY!!!!!!!
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)I'm as surprised as anybody by that, but the data is the data.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Nominate the 1%er, if you want tRump as president...only logical conclusion...
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)The delegate count won't even be close to insurmountable and after Super Tuesday we're into states that are much more favorable to Bernie.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)declaration and call it a day?
mdbl
(4,973 posts)but you knew that right?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You guys don't even see the reality of a losing candidate. Welcome President TRUMP!!!!!!!
Courtesy of DU Hillary supporters. Others tried to tell them they were backing a loser and they didn't listen.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)is avoid being indicted and release her transcripts....its a cakewalk!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)See how that works?
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)It's the usual stuff posted by you. I said, leave it, because I believe in the First Amendment. Doesn't mean that I don't think it is a trashy thing to say.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Stunning New Reuters Poll: Bernie Leading Hillary Nationally by 6 %
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511324929
Bernie's momentum is still on the rise, Bernie is in this for the duration
and is not going anywhere, except to ride his still-growing momentum
to the convention, then to the WH.
Bernie's strongest states come later, and he's going to get all those delegates,
along with many others along the way, then we'll all do the delegate math in
Philadelphia come July.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)which it's quire likely is going to do before this is over.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)He had better start preparing how he is going to start supporting our nominee now that he is pretending to be a Dem.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)smug..
Vote Bernie he supports a single payer healthcare system
He opposes TPP
...see issues...
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Smug is the perfect term. They don't seem to have a clue other than that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, aside from an FBI indictment, or something.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)Hillary is not going to win the GE. 1968 all over again.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)That doesn't seem to concern her supporters at all.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)They want nothing to change.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)They're not interested in big changes, they're not even interested in serious efforts toward big change. "Change-schmange, I'm good where I'm, and a Hillary administration will keep things pretty much as they are." Any improvements to the lives of average or poor Americans would be minimal...very minor, very disappointing, and not nearly enough, but she and her people would hail them as great victories.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Trump is not a easy to dispatch, but the Clinton crew have the grey matter to do the job.
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)Our attempt to put someone with a few ethics, morals and convictions in the white house will be OVER!
longship
(40,416 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)If Bernie is crushed I will be crushed.
It is never over till the fat lady sings.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)On the left, the right, and the middle.
Trump vs Sanders is anti-establishment vs anti-establishment. Bernie has a good chance.
Trump vs Clinton is anti-establishment vs establishment. Trump by a landslide.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)right! Just like the climate change deniers, they don't want to look at the numbers in the head-to-head contests. And when you do look at the numbers, if the Dems want to LOSE, they go with Clinton, if they want to WIN, they go with Sanders. . . that's it.
Hillary may win in the south but the US is a bit bigger than that. We have a way to go.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)mean squat because she will lose the solidly red south in the general
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)The issue is who can win the swing states more? Bernie or Hillary? Given the negative numbers on Hillary with independents, I would say Bernie.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Do you think the south is all there is to the Unites States? Kinda narrow thought process, eh?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)He has promised Medicare for all, free college, a $15/hr. national minimum wage and expanded Social Security. He did this knowing that a Republican-controlled House won't even let these issues to be debated on the floor of the House. Is that eithical behavior ? Is that trustworthy behavior ? As we move along the primary process, reality will surface again and Bernie's star will begin to Bern out. His heart is in the right place but his timing couldn't be worse in this politically polarized country.
djean111
(14,255 posts)it comes to war and cutting social programs.....nope.
If a Dem president would indeed be hamstrung by the GOP congress - then I want that president to be Bernie.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)I refuse to vote for someone who has already said 'No We Can't' and has thrown in the towel even before the primary is over because her financiers have already decreed to her that she isn't even going to try.
Sanders has not promised that these things will be implemented, he has promised he will TRY to have them implemented and he will fight for the values I share. What you wrote was disingenuous at best and sure sounds a LOT like the GOP talking heads I hear all over the media.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)18 million more people have healthcare under the ACA. Hillary wants to improve upon that program. She thinks that college students paying 7 - 9 % to finance their college education is exorbitant given the minuscule interest rates over the last 7 years. Reducing financing costs is feasible in this politically divided Congress. Free college is not. Hillary is a pragmatist.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)You can't 'improve upon' any system that, at the heart of it, has for-profit insurance companies rationing out healthcare based on how much it will cost the stockholders or how much it'll cut into the CEO's bonus this year. To not even TRY to get the vultures out and bring our healthcare system up to par with the rest of the civilized, industrialized world is NOT something I'm going to vote for or support.
Whether we can get taxpayer funded higher education through Congress isn't even an issue. I'm not willing to vote for someone who not only won't TRY, but who's campaign surrogate came out and said that higher education is NOT a right and that they, and people like them, are entitled to it because they are rich and can afford it.
Meh. Same shit, different politician.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)since Hillary has this pretty much wrapped up, I may as stop donating to Bernie and not even show up for the WA state democratic caucus.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The same Republicans that have voted 62 times to repeal the ACA are not about to do a total 180 and allow medical health legislation, that would amount to a complete government takeover and would snuff out the powerful health insurance industry, make it's way through the House. That's not merely my opinion. That's a fact.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The Republicans HAVE voted 62 times to repeal the ACA because they think that it represents too much government intervention. That's not my opinion. Those 62 votes actually happened. Due to un-democratic gerrymandering after the 2010 census, the Republicans will control the House during the next presidency. That's not my opinion either. That's a cold, hard mathematical reality.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Assume away!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Their pathetic gerrymandering following the 2010 census has created so many "safe" districts that we are no longer fairly represented. In my state of Ohio, more votes were cast for state democrats than state Republicans in 2014 yet our statehouse is dominated by Republicans. We had to sit back and watch powerless as the Planned Parenthood defunding legislation, that Kasich just signed, wound through our legislature. This redistricting has given the Republicans a lock on the House in Congress.
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)They are appalled at what is happening there. Glad I left many years ago. I like living in a blue state, even though, my part of it is fairly redneck. The only political signs I see are Bernie signs. None others, Hillary won't get many votes in my county. She is regarded as the Senator for Wall Street and Israel, just like Schumer.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)You may get it.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)It so happens that most of Super Tuesday is in her own regional base. Afterward it gets more progressive. non political junkie types might not realize that and think the race is over, but you know better. It won't fly here.
There certainly is a chance H will "crush it" so hard that the race would be over, but that is a long bet, she hasn't won anything by more than a few points yet.
I expect her to do well, probably not quite as well as the polls indicate, as has been the case in every state so far. However, it is true that unless B pulls more than 1 surprise upset it will be a rough road. That's ok, it is worth the fight.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Welcome to the villiage
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Yuugal
(2,281 posts)for Zell Miller's birthday today? He did so much for your side.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Alfresco
(1,698 posts)jopacaco
(133 posts)Maine Democratic caucus day is March 6. According to you, I should just stay home because Hillary will already be anointed. Well, I'm going (along with my husband) for the first time ever. We will proudly vote for Bernie. He is our only chance to save the Democratic Party and the country.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)You should proudly go to your Caucus and vote your conscience. I am concerned at the bitter division I see on this site. If we coalesce around our eventual nominee, I think we have an excellent chance to beat Trump. Then a Democrat can reshape the Court and we'll finally be getting somewhere vis a vis Citizens United, voting rights, worker rights and many other issues.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Bernie is in it until the convention, and he shall win.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and they would have good reason to be....
enjoy now, cuz after ST, the train will be making regular stops in bernietown!
Vinca
(50,276 posts)This is the year of the outsider and there's no one more insider than Hillary. Add to that the fact nothing sticks to Trump and everything sticks to Hillary and we're toast.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)brooklynite
(94,591 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Clinton will almost certainly come out of Super Tuesday with more delegates. At that point we'll see many Clinton supporters saying, as per the OP here, that it's over. Some will go further and say that Sanders should drop out. A few will go further than that and heap insults on him for staying in, while also ramping up the level of insults at his supporters.
The logical consequence of the view in the OP would be for Clinton supporters to say, "Our candidate now has the nomination wrapped up so it's time for us to de-escalate the war of words against those who disagree with us. We should instead pivot toward reconciliation, so as to prepare for the general election." How many Clinton supporters will be that logical? We shal see. I'm not optimistic.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Especially THIS part! ^^
Go, Hillary! We love you!
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Sanders will rise during the period from March 22 to April 9.
This is not a racial issue because Washington DC has over 50% African Americans and Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and New York all have populations including about 20% African Americans (or more) and NONE of these are Republican territories.
The ex-Confederate Republican red states I'm talking about include Arkansas and Tennessee, which both have smaller percentages of African Americans than Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, or New York.
This is a political and cultural divide. If it were a racial issue, it would exclude Arkansas and Tennessee (with less than 20% African Americans) and it would include Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and New York (with higher percentages of African Americans).
In the Old South, with its sad history, the First Lady of Arkansas has an advantage over a Jewish civil rights activist. If this surprises you, then you ought to go back to your middle school American history text book and review it.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Then DU can become the awesome place it used to be! And, most importantly, we can start going after the real enemy, if you know, and I sincerely hope you do, what I mean. to progress!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)condescension didn't help him much.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)FURIOUS that their queen isn't getting her previously assumed Cakewalk to Coronation.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I have witnessed it from both sides, but from the Sanders fanatics much more than from HRC's.
Both sides suck, really. And neither candidate does anything for me.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)instead of the horse race? Of course, when your candidate has a track record like Hillary I can understand why her supporters avoid talking about the issues.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)here, I see more of them and their nastiness.
Really, neither candidate moves me at all.
And really, if Sanders is such a transformational candidate, why is turnout on the Democratic side so low? I'd like to see him translate his rallies to actual turnout at the caucuses and primaries.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)since I am greatly in favor of a European-type Democratic Socialist
Count me in.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)So true. I've said all along that Bernie is a regional candidate. Its quite obvious now that he is abandoning whole states.
So is his campaign staff that fumbled fatally in Nevada.
Hillary is going to cruise into sure victory next Tuesday!
vi5
(13,305 posts)...but I think we may have different interpretations as to what "it" is.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Another progressive state for the Queen of Lies. BFD! She WILL lose if she is the nominee.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Ok, if you say so. No need for you to vote or send more money to Clinton.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Primaries aren't over until May, right?
Vinca
(50,276 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)I think it will be closer than that. Certainly not over or "insurmountable".
The investigations into the e-mails and of the Clinton Foundation will continue to haunt Hillary.
If she beats Sanders, Trump will be our next Prez.
californiabernin
(421 posts)And that's a good thing for the party regardless of who ultimately wins the nomination.