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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:53 AM Feb 2016

So You're Deeply Concerned About Clinton's Connections...

Tad Devine: campaign adviser for Bernie Sanders. Worked at Winston & Strawn LLP, the law firm that has represented Microsoft, Verizon, Phillip Morris, Pfizer and, my favourite because of the magical effect the name has, MONSANTO! Yes, indeed, Bernie’s advisor worked at a law firm that has represented MONSANTO!

But wait, there’s more!

Devine also worked for Jon Corzine. As in “found liable for stealing clients’ money” Jon Corzine, although admittedly he’s appealing that. The Jon Corzine who got the $400 million golden parachute when he was forced out as CEO of Goldman Sachs. Member of the Bilderberg Group. That Jon Corzine.

He worked for deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych (the guy forced out by the Orange Revolution). You know, the guy who had a ridiculously expensive personal mansion which was sort of hard to explain how he could afford on his official salary and that he really hadn’t brought in ostriches to his private petting zoo, they “just happened to be there”. Somehow, magically.

Let’s see...Devine also advised Alejandro Toledo, the president of Peru who was good buddies with George Bush and signed a free trade agreement with the US that has received much criticism in Peru.

Oh, there’s a good one. He worked for Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, former president of Bolivia now living in exile in the US and fighting extradition to face trial in Bolivia for the massacre of protesters by government troops.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/25/1463668/-So-You-re-Deeply-Concerned-About-Clinton-s-Connections
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So You're Deeply Concerned About Clinton's Connections... (Original Post) boston bean Feb 2016 OP
Once again -- "Plead guilty and say everyone does it" GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #1
Love the GIF rpannier Feb 2016 #41
Have you ever listened to Bernie.. have you every read his proposed berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #2
Thank you! Petrushka Feb 2016 #10
This is so good... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #12
sure go ahead berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #13
Yea, I've listened and I'm not impressed leftofcool Feb 2016 #14
You need more material mr.cooool.. I've heard you use that line at least 10 times.. It isn't berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #15
Sorry, not feeling the bern leftofcool Feb 2016 #55
that's fine.. was just trying to get you to be me thoughtful and insightful as to why you support berniepdx420 Feb 2016 #56
Elizabeth Warren praises Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street plan lobodons Feb 2016 #22
Warren edited a previously written statement that had ladjf Feb 2016 #54
They must dirty the water UglyGreed Feb 2016 #29
I am deeply concerned about Hillary's predilection for war and fracking and Wall Street and djean111 Feb 2016 #3
Bernie's staff seems to have a bunch of crooks and liars. Sancho Feb 2016 #4
Better the staff than the head of the fish. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #17
It's clear that Bernie makes bad choices of staff....he is the problem. Sancho Feb 2016 #47
Did he take campiagn donations from Monsanto? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #5
This is the key point of rebuttal. earthside Feb 2016 #53
The hypocrisy of some of Sanders' sanctimonious fans here is stunning. n/t Tanuki Feb 2016 #6
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. erlewyne Feb 2016 #7
The connections, the speaking fees, the donations received while deciding arms and trade deals, Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #8
It's a choice between a candidate caked in crap who is on the Big Banksters' payroll, Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #32
My response would be two words (no, not those two): David Brock. nt Buns_of_Fire Feb 2016 #9
HRC - $ 675,000 - Oh - That"s What I Was Offered - Release Transcripts - No cantbeserious Feb 2016 #11
You forget. There is a different standard for males. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #16
Get this flamebait out of here. Not everything is about gender n/t VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #18
David Brock isn't a male? FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #19
If there's one thing that's embarrassing, it's the "poor, victimized woman" meme. Vinca Feb 2016 #21
+1 obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #38
No timmymoff Feb 2016 #44
Bean, I can't wait until the primary nastiness is over, because I will gladly vote for Hillary.... marble falls Feb 2016 #20
I'm sure it won't belong before we see anti-Hillary NUMEROLOGY threads ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #23
You have no basis to say this. It is neither humorous nor factual, just contentious. nt earthshine Feb 2016 #46
Is this another attack the strengths day? noamnety Feb 2016 #24
Just goes to show Lazy Daisy Feb 2016 #25
Isn't Corzine part of the Third way? intersectionality Feb 2016 #26
Tad Devine is sleazy TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #27
Fair point. You can't be in the National Big Time Swamp without being muddy. Armstead Feb 2016 #28
Oh Beanie, you're really reaching now. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #30
Ostriches. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #31
Mr Bean speaks. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #33
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #34
Yes, I'm deeply concerned about Clintons connections because she is corrupt. She has sold out. Gary 50 Feb 2016 #35
I once represented a guy who tried to kill his own children via carbon monoxide inhalation sahel Feb 2016 #36
Oh, puh-leeeze! chervilant Feb 2016 #37
kick for exposure rpannier Feb 2016 #39
Devine has also never won a US presidential election he's worked on. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #40
+1 He is a terrible strategist CorkySt.Clair Feb 2016 #49
Okay, bb, chervilant Feb 2016 #42
Didn't he leave that firm? He worked on Carter's campaign. I know good people that LEFT Skwmom Feb 2016 #43
What bugs me about Hillary's campaign is the unrelenting negativity and telling me about me. Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #45
K&R. lunamagica Feb 2016 #48
Were you outraged about cheneys secrect meetings? libtodeath Feb 2016 #50
Bernie does it too! Bernie does it too! HassleCat Feb 2016 #51
Bernie has been consistent on his stances on GMO's CentralMass Feb 2016 #52

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
2. Have you ever listened to Bernie.. have you every read his proposed
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:58 AM
Feb 2016

policies.. here watch this... and stop insinuating that this man is corruptible... it just aint gonna work friend... Talk about your Candidate..

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
15. You need more material mr.cooool.. I've heard you use that line at least 10 times.. It isn't
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:15 AM
Feb 2016
impressive...

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
56. that's fine.. was just trying to get you to be me thoughtful and insightful as to why you support
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Mrs. Clinton

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
22. Elizabeth Warren praises Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street plan
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:03 AM
Feb 2016

Yes, look at Clinton's policies, plans and previous votes. Hillary is not perfect, but she is most definitely in it for us!! (99%) Even Elizabeth Warren can see Hillary as an advocate for us.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/07/elizabeth-warren-praises-hillary-clintons-wall-street-plan/


ladjf

(17,320 posts)
54. Warren edited a previously written statement that had
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

commended Sanders of his Wall Street plan. A week or two later, she added some complimentary remarks about Clinton with regards to Wall St. relations. If interested, you can look it up on the INTERNET for exact quotes.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
29. They must dirty the water
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

to hide their candidate's flaws and connections. If one must do that then I believe they have made the wrong choice.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. I am deeply concerned about Hillary's predilection for war and fracking and Wall Street and
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:04 AM
Feb 2016

cluster bombs and the TPP. To name a few things. So there is nothing you can spew or insinuate that could convince me to support her.

You may attempt to paint Bernie with Hillary's colors - and fail - but that will never erase the hatred I hold for those things Hillary enthusiastically stands for.

This is, really, Third Way against Democratic Socialism. You cannot make the Third Way look good. You are just frantically flinging poo with no real hope of accomplishing anything, IMO. You don't get it that this is not about personalities, really. That Bernie is a good man is a plus.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
4. Bernie's staff seems to have a bunch of crooks and liars.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:23 AM
Feb 2016

They steal DNC data, lie about residency in order to vote illegally in primaries, wear fake union pins, and send out false information about contributions in advertisements.

Having a few really bad actors at the top of advisor lists doesn't surprise anyone. Is it bad judgement? Poor choice of character?

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
17. Better the staff than the head of the fish.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:40 AM
Feb 2016

The staff can be replaced after we clear that bridge; but when you've got a corrupt candidate, you've got a corrupt White House. I won't go to war for her, I won't take a bullet for her beliefs, because I don't believe that if she gets to say "so help me God" on top of whatever holy book of her choice; I cannot believe she's making that oath in good faith. Not with her taste for war.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
47. It's clear that Bernie makes bad choices of staff....he is the problem.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie will not win the nomination or be President.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
5. Did he take campiagn donations from Monsanto?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:29 AM
Feb 2016

"He does it too" is the lamest of excuses.

It translates to: I am the lesser of two evils and the other guy is not perfect.

- No, but he is still good, which is better than the lesser of two evils.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
53. This is the key point of rebuttal.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

Let's compare the campaign contributions to Sanders from Devine's previous clients with, say, the contributions from Tony Podesta's clients to Mrs. Clinton.

On the other hand, I find this news to be rather more revealing about who trusts that Hillary will behave properly if elected:

Hillary Clinton Is Backed by Major Republican Donors
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/02/hillary-clinton-backed-major-republican-donors.html

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. The connections, the speaking fees, the donations received while deciding arms and trade deals,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:42 AM
Feb 2016

the criminal investigation, the war of self-indulgence, the sacrificing policy platforms, the slimeball race-baiting surrogates, the political malpractice of turning FOIA requests into subpoenas and depositions that will drag out into the heart of the campaign season --

You know, crap like that.

None of which attends her rival.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
32. It's a choice between a candidate caked in crap who is on the Big Banksters' payroll,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:15 AM
Feb 2016

or a man of integrity who stands with a solid history of working for equal opportunity for all.

How can anyone support the former?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
44. No
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
Feb 2016

It is not a different standard for males. It is something she has earned, distrust. Why must her supporters continually play the sex card? Se does it all the time and then when Bernie say. " we can shout about guns all we want." Hillary's camp then claims Bernie is calling her a shouting woman. Get over her genitalia. The distrust is earned through many "evolutions" some as recent as less than a year.
I do not care for the Bernie bros slur thrown around, you know the one comparable to 2008 with Obama boys. I haven't called your group Hillary Hags, nor have I called them Clinton Corrupters. Instead of denying everything because it is "her turn" you would see this. is again earned. Most democrats do not support fracking, yet somehow you supporters do. Most democrats do not support trade deals that would harm workers, but somehow her recent evolution regarding TPP is fine with you. Most democrats do not like us being beholden to Wall St., Big pharma, Hedge funds, private prisons, ad infitum, yet somehow you guys do. Most democrats would not vote for someone who was on the board of Wal-mart, yet you do. We do not need lectures and fingers being pointed about campaign workers, if you want to play that game you would lose it as well. Deep in your hearts you know I'm right. I felt it would be a good idea to use a Goldwater phrase to remind you of your candidate's early roots, seems they really haven't changed that much , at least economically.

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
20. Bean, I can't wait until the primary nastiness is over, because I will gladly vote for Hillary....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:55 AM
Feb 2016

Clinton if Bernie Sanders doesn't get the nomination, but more importantly so friends here on DU can start chatting again and work together to get the vote out for the more important Congressional elections.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. I'm sure it won't belong before we see anti-Hillary NUMEROLOGY threads ...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:04 AM
Feb 2016

... and threads drawing comparisons between Hillary and other "Dr. Evil" type characters who share her same astrological star-sign. It's all complete nonsense and totally valueless (except for the inherent entertainment value if you have a good sense of humor.)

Sigh.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
24. Is this another attack the strengths day?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:06 AM
Feb 2016

Because if you're planning to compare lists of questionable networks - it will do the same thing this strategy always does - shine more light on Hillary's nest, drawing more attention to her buddies.

Eventually her campaign will learn that attacking their opponent's strengths only works if it doesn't draw 20 times more focus on her weaknesses.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
25. Just goes to show
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:07 AM
Feb 2016

the extent of the stink in our politics. The choices among competent staff is dirty.

Too bad we don't have a candidate who is going to embrace a change in this mired system of ours, a candidate who wants to lead the charge......

Oh wait...nvmd

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
28. Fair point. You can't be in the National Big Time Swamp without being muddy.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:09 AM
Feb 2016

One needs professionals, and if those professionals have done unsavory things, that's certainly unfortunate.

It's like if you have to go to court to defend your interests, you want the meanest lawyer you can find.

However that is not quite the same as a candidate being awash in that shit, surrounded by it, being part of it. Advancing it.

The whole tone of of Bernie is much cleaner, IMO

Gary 50

(381 posts)
35. Yes, I'm deeply concerned about Clintons connections because she is corrupt. She has sold out.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:24 AM
Feb 2016

She represents her financial backers, the one percent. Bernie represents the 99%. Bernie is honest. She is not. Bernie wants fundamental change. Hillary wants the status Quo. Hillary is marginally better than all of the other Republicans. That not voting for hope, it's voting for hopelessness. If I'm forced to vote for her I will be voting against Trump or one of the other idiots. It will be the worst vote of my life.

 

sahel

(87 posts)
36. I once represented a guy who tried to kill his own children via carbon monoxide inhalation
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:30 AM
Feb 2016

he tried to off both himself and the kids by running the car with the garage door closed. It was for legal aid. Sometimes you don't always get nice clients. I'm pretty sure that Clinton represented a rapist once. I think she got him off too, as I recall. I don't think that that means that Clinton necessarily approves of rape.

Anyone who knows anything about being a lawyer knows that this entire OP is absolute shit. Work for any blue chip or even mid tier firm of any significant size and of course that firm will have at least some less-savoury clients on their books.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
37. Oh, puh-leeeze!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016


You're posting a blog from last year (Dec 25, no less), written by a "diarist" from DailyKos?!?

I have to agree with this comment:


orestes1963  fugwb
Dec 26 · 08:51:47 AM


Indeed. The levels to which some will stoop to rationalize Clinton’s record is astonishing and embarrassing. If you forfeit your integrity, what do you have left?

I live in NYC and by this diarist’s sophomoric reasoning, I am only a few steps from pretty much every “very important person” in the country and some in other countries as well. Well then, I’m really no different than Hillary. And it’s interesting to hear how unconcerned we should be about all of the monied interests that provide funding to right-wing and other miscreant candidates. Nothing to worry ourselves about. As I mentioned above, if the diarist would confirm that s/he applies her/his reasoning to the Kochs, et al. at least s/he would maintain intellectual integrity (although her reasoning would be no more compelling).

It’s argumentation like this that will turn this place into a laughingstock, if it hasn’t done already.



I am so sad for you, bb. SMDH...
 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
49. +1 He is a terrible strategist
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

I can live with Bernie as the nominee if that's what the voters want, but I cringe at the idea of watching Tad Devine run another GE debacle. He's clueless.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
42. Okay, bb,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

have you seen this OP?

Please, stop belittling those of us who support Senator Sanders. If, by some stretch of the imagination, Hi11ary doesn't win the nomination (yes, we ALL know Bernie is still a long shot), she will need the votes of those of us who want to recover our political process from the corporate megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics AND our global economy. And, right now, there are many Bernie supporters who are asserting that they won't vote for her, even if she is the nominee.

I don't think she can afford to continue to alienate Bernie's enthusiastic supporters. We certainly don't need a Republican in the White House.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
43. Didn't he leave that firm? He worked on Carter's campaign. I know good people that LEFT
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:42 AM
Feb 2016

companies and firms b/c they did not feel good about the work they were doing.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. What bugs me about Hillary's campaign is the unrelenting negativity and telling me about me.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:44 AM
Feb 2016

The OP should try telling people what the OP is deeply concerned about instead of attacking others with the Kreskin method. What Straight Moderates think has very often been shown to be a crock of crap, Hillary and her cohort have a long, long history of claiming to be Deeply Concerned about Defending Sacred Marriage from the sinful LGBT, oh the depth of their concern, oh the invoking of deities and powers 'one man, one woman, Goddy Godsox says so!!!'
Yeah, they have concerns, deep, deep concerns!

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
51. Bernie does it too! Bernie does it too!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Feb 2016

Um.. er... Well, OK, he doesn't, but his adviser does it. His adviser does it too! His adviser does it too! And his dog chases cats. And his car failed an emissions test.

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