2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCNN Asked Bernie Sanders About His Religion: Here’s His Breathtaking Response
https://tr.im/1tzcgAmid all the talk about Wall Street, racism, Donald Trump, and the GOPs obstructionism, Bernie Sanders was asked about his spirituality. That, of course, was meant to be a trap, a litmus test. Americans like their presidents Christian. In fact, we havent had a non-Christian president since Thomas Jefferson (Abraham Lincoln was raised Christian and kept quiet about his un-churched status), let alone a not-particularly religious Jew.
Here was Bernie Sanders stunning reply:
Every great religion in the world Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism essentially comes down to: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And what I have believed in my whole life I believed it when I was a 22-year-old kid getting arrested in Chicago fighting segregation Ive believed it in my whole life.
And then, Bernie Sanders even appeared to get a little choked up as he declared:
That we are in this together not just, not words. The truth is at some level when you hurt, when your children hurt, I hurt. I hurt. And when my kids hurt, you hurt. And its very easy to turn our backs on kids who are hungry, or veterans who are sleeping out on the street, and we can develop a psyche, a psychology which is I dont have to worry about them; all Im gonna worry about is myself; I need to make another 5 billion dollars.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)If only all the other candidates answered the same way, and meant it!
forest444
(5,902 posts)"He who has the gold, makes the rules."
fierywoman
(7,684 posts)... and golden Goldman Sachs handcuffs, too!
forest444
(5,902 posts)Here's to you, Shillary.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Hey--I'm bleached Medium Golden Brown myself, and Hillary's hare looks fine.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)What does her hair color have to do with anything?
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)He basically said what I've felt forever...we are all connected, we all need to help each other.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)and I subscribe to no religion at all.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)it was a dodge. He doesn't want to say that he doesn't believe in a transcendent being. So he shifts the focus to what "spirituality means to me."
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)You need to study that thought.
dchill
(38,502 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)great love I have for God and God has for me. I am spiritual in the same way that Bernie is. His answer could have come from Jesus. Jesus the man, not the gimmick that religion has made him into, sullying and burying his great loving message of solidarity and love for each other under power and money trips. He LIVES his spiritual beliefs. That wasn't a dodge. it was a testament.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)How did you know how I feel? We never met or conversed.
I am voting for Bernie!
Thank you roguevalley
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)best level of our souls.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)to talk about what you believe?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I support Bernie but I get a little tired of fellow supporters freaking out about every tiny observation that may be construed as a criticism. Sheez. And the poster above, Peace Patriot : It doesn't mean kennetha thinks he's an asshole.
It was a clever dodge. kennetha is correct. brooklynite tried to ignite a little flame war and you both fell for it.
The host knew full well that the maniacally defensive and dominant religion is Christianity in the US. How it is so culturally ingrained that even non-Christians, or non practicing Christians, are almost conditioned to expect someone proclaiming their Christian faith before running for President. Famous athletes thank God for championships, Actors and musicians do before accepting awards, and the military tributes are blanketed in saccharine dripping Christian/Nationalistic conflations. Hillary got it out of the way a while ago with her declaration that The Bible was her favorite book.
So he used the language of the audience he knew was watching. Put it into terms that could define him by their standards.
Bernie speaks his mind and is honest. But he is still a politician. He can answer the question any way he wants, and this was a gotcha question, so he responded back and showed he knew full well what the host was trying to do. Maybe in his mind he was thinking "I don't believe in fairy tales like Christianity, I don't need that claptrap to tell me to treat others like I'd like to be treated". Do you honestly want him to answer that way? The host was hoping to catch him either saying "next question" or "I'm not a religious person", maybe followed with a "So you don't consider yourself a Christian?". Bernie transcended (!) the question by being inclusive of the more religiously inclined watching, yet still being honest about his own "spirituality".
gelatinous cube
(50 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Just wanted to say I love your handle name.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but we know there is no way he, or any other politician, could. It is a sad fact of our banana republic.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Watch the video.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)He also isn't gonna pretend the Bible is his favorite book.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)a heavy block to weigh something down, a large Bible is almost as useful as good dictionary.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I love you. lol, /s....hmmm, this is weird.
i was once married to a Mike M and you seem much more liberal than him, so probably not. Anyway, that made me laugh out loud.
thanks for the chuckle. Hysterical because it's so cruel and honest.
edit:typo
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)who know what is in his heart and mind
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Do you mean that in a negative way? Is that a problem for you?
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I believe that Bernie drives a more reliable Chevy. They cost less too.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)That organized religion is not a requirement to be a good person, that belief in a deity is not necessary to be a spiritual person.
I applaud him.
elleng
(130,964 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)He gave a great response to a gotcha question.
I'm sure ready for more NON Christians in government.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Why does she need Christianity?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)the Golden Rule is demanding and hard. Given HRC's history of you name it, she is practicing dogma, not the tenets and teachings of Jesus. Who would Jesus cheat, lie to, steal from, kill for money, sell to the highest bidder? No one.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)where in the bible he says that.
Proud Veteran
(35 posts)Numbers 15:32-41
A Sabbathbreaker Executed
32 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp. 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Also Exodus 35:2 is pretty clear
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Jeebus doesnt appear in those.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Was that he didnt respect the sabbath because he cured the ill during it.
So i dont think he ever said that
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)was that the one with all the gold makes the rules.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)No one does.
longship
(40,416 posts)How would anybody else answer it?
He fucking nailed it.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think what he said rang true, don't you?
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... what a stupid question ...
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That would fit the Clinton campaign approach perfectly. What religion does she profess, again? I forgot. Let's google... Ah, Methodist. Mixed marriage with Bill being Baptist. Right, right, I remember now. The Family. Prayer breakfasts. Yeah.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)There is much to admire about Bernie.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)IWW all the way!
starroute
(12,977 posts)Haven't seen much of that around in a while.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I'm a member.
I don't think they endorse anyone, but I bet they like Bernie.
valerief
(53,235 posts)That's how American politics works.
We've learned from the book The Family that many U.S. senators and representatives believe "gawd" shows his love for you by showering you with riches (of the financial type). That's American politics, none of the "do unto my neighbor" stuff.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1456337343&sr=1-3&keywords=the+family
Presidents can't be hippies. Presidents are supposed to support the country's biggest industry--WAR.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)KnR for your post!
valerief
(53,235 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)They'd be a given.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)It is a very basic Jewish belief.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Christiany. He mentioned no religious trimmings, which is what pols are supposed to do to validate their political eligibility. He could have said, "I'm a humanist," and gone on to say what he did.
He didn't take the bait.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)the message of Jesus in a nutshell
valerief
(53,235 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)wealthy con artist Joel Osteen is a revelation. People fill his giant mega-church and throw their hard earned dollars his way because he tells them that if they do, God will make them rich. Then they go home to their mortgages and big doctor bills and college tuition payments and ride around in their gas guzzlers and hope that one day they, too, will be as blessed by God as Osteen is for he has it all.
PT Barnum would be laughing his ass off.
valerief
(53,235 posts)How does anyone follow these assholes? I think some humans are raised to be masochists.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)common con artist.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)in elementary school the Golden Rule was written on the blackboard in every class the first day of school. It stayed up on all the blackboards the whole school year.
It's a simple rule that I've tried to live by my whole life. Bernie speaks for me!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)"Do not do unto others that which you would not have them do unto you."
Not that this is a comment at all on Bernie's statement, which I greatly admire, but just the interesting observation that the two different translations have very different meanings.
elljay
(1,178 posts)The version you quote is a paraphrase of the earlier Jewish golden rule from Rabbi Hillel.
"That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it." - Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a
The Christian version is expressed as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Different perspectives.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)but I do not remember a source being mentioned.
Thank you,
elljay
(1,178 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)... that does not require anything supernatural.
It's a secular message.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...because there are too many masochists who take it to heart, and treat everyone that way.
A sadistic asshole is merely a masochist following the Golden Rule.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)And I haven't been a Christian since I was 14 years old (probably equally long ago).
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)We are spoiled here because dems can look past things like religion and race...but look at the large chunk of the repubs who want to build a wall and keep Muslims out of the country. They will not go for an agnostic. Period. It would be akin to telling them to take "In God We Trust" off the money. Bernie did a good job in stating his answer in a way that is hard to object, but the Christian right will totally be able to read through the lines.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Bernie walks the walk.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)what the religious fanatics in that state think?
South Carolina has made itself irrelevant to Democratic strategy. Not a smart move. But then what do we expect from these deep South states.
No way to move them into the 20th century much less the 21st. They are still mired in the Civil War and the Reconstruction.
And I say that as one who lived in the South as a teenager. I know the culture pretty well.
In the 90s I asked a person from the state in which I lived when I was a teenager whether that state had finally changed. The answer: No.
It's not for Bernie to try to match the ignorance of Southerners. It's for Southerners to join the rest of America.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Thanks for the South bashing! It's always refreshing!
BTW SC is not the "Deep South". That would be more MS and AL and GA.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But I am 72 and lived there in the 1950s. Integration was forced on Southerners as was the end of slavery. Their economies are relatively backward. They don't join unions. They don't even seem to believe that employees should share in the profits and benefits (generally) of the companies they work for. They often refused the Medicaid benefits as Sanders points out.
The South is backward.
And Southerners who aren't backward need to do everything they can to organize like-minded people and educate and raise the awareness and confidence of Southerners so that they can move into the 21st century.
Generally, Southern states vote Republican. They send only a few Democrats to Congress. That's backwards. Sorry if the truth hurts. But if you are a Southerner, that is, if the shoe fits, wear it.
The South needs to do better. Southern Democrats need to organize, organize, organize.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)My state of NC voted for Obama in '08, y'know. And just barely missed it in '12, after the GOP spent tons of dough.
The South IS doing better.
The West and Mid-west, however....
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of raising missing money in taxes. We nearly went bankrupt until we elected a Democratic governor -- Jerry Brown. I don't agree with him on everything. Fracking is one thing I strongly disagree with him on. Managements of the land on our coasts is another. But he has returned us to fiscal sanity.
Liberal Southerners have to do a lot better.
Some of the Midwestern states are just terrible also. I agree. So are the Western states that are not on the coast in many instances.
Here are maps of the presidential election results state by state, across the nation.
http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
1964. A big year for Democrats. It followed the 1960 election of JFK and his assassination in 1968. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964.
Look how the map gets redder after that.
Racism is wrong but it is the tool that Republicans used to gain their evil foothold across the country.
We have to return to the sanity of 1964. I hope it does not take tragedy to get us there.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Fuck them.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)No, that's not the Goldman Sachs' credo.
It's what Bernie Sanders lives every day of his life, every minute of his campaign, every bill that comes before him for a vote.
panader0
(25,816 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)What in the world do you think you're going to hear? Oh boy!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Gross profit is a pretty good name for the religion in question as well. It's shared equally by Deutsche Bank and Bank of China.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)n/t
valerief
(53,235 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)No pandering to the Talibornagains.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)We need to break the nutty irrational religious stranglehold on this country.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)He was not asked informally about his spiritual views, as a way for people to know him better as a person. The question was specifically about "God", and not a generic "God", and it was asked in South Carolina. He handled it well though. As well as one could have handled it. But it's fucking clear that the moderators at these debates are totally pro-establishment.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not all that astonishing a response.
longship
(40,416 posts)Or do people actually oppose this sentiment?
And what kind of utter madness would that entail?
I would call that stretching things rather severely.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)I find his perspective refreshing and honest. I have always held the feeling that many candidates and office holders, have played the game, given religious beliefs the lip service required but no more believed in it than I do.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)However, I'm sure plenty of dumbass Republicans really do think that the world was made in six days by Gawd and that Jesus is coming back to Earth any day now to suck believers up into the sky.
angrychair
(8,699 posts)No one believes the tRump is a christian. Cruz? I have serious doubts. Carson? Nope. Rubio? Nope.
Its all about playing to their audience, getting elected. Getting their money.
Remember, as tRump said in his Nevada victory speech, "we love the uneducated".
blm
(113,063 posts).
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)about the Clergy. They know it's a scam. Most of them anyway. I have known a few former Catholic priests who have told me just that. It's just a career in sales. Not coincidentally, they themselves were having successful careers in sales since leaving the priesthood.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)he referenced homeless vets. The plight of the homeless has long been ignored by politicians of both parties. I'm glad to see it's on Bernie's radar.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)I hurt. And when my kids hurt, you hurt."
No man is an island. By John Dunne
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)it tolls for thee.
lovely
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)We. Are. In. This. Together.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Thanks for the thread, KamaAina.
mainer
(12,022 posts)It tells me this is the President for me.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)That's not to say there's not some godawful atheists out there, normally the ram it down your throat types, who have every bit as much religious fervour as evangelists.
Look at all the shit Godboy George W Bush kicked up, we're all going to be dealing with that for a generation at least.
If anyone feels the need to tell me their religion, they're not someone I want to spend any time with.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Do you really need to use the sarcasm gif? You think people are that daft?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
And yes, people at DU really can be that daft.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)There's a difference between a church minister and an evangelist. King was not defined by his evangelism but by his civil rights work. You can pick holes in my definition as much as you want, but the point remains, those who think their religion/philosophy makes them superior to those who do not share that outlook are truly terrible people. King wasn't one of those.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I'm sure there must be a few, but in my seventy years, I've never met one. A few who will try to argue reason to religious nuts, sure. But "ram atheism down others' throats?" Not often.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)I was looking forward to reading it, but it contained nothing about his stage show and everything about why we should all be atheists. I felt ripped off. Maybe evangelical atheists aren't a problem where you are, but in the least religious country in the World they can be a real pain in the arse.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Sorry, I just assumed you were here in the U.S.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)The least religious country in the World. Unfortunately a lot of proselytizing atheists think non religious= atheist. It doesn't. The godsquad keep quiet, I wish they would too.
We have bloody organisations like this.
The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of allno matter what they believed.
https://www.sundayassembly.com/story
One of the best things about not being religious is not having to go to church. I can think of better ways to spend my Sundays than sitting with a bunch of smug middle class people singing "We Will Rock You," and other rock classics all churched up.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)When you said "least religious country," I knew you couldn't mean the U.S.A. Around here average, non celebrity atheists and agnostics keep pretty quiet about it. I lean agnostic: I can't completely swallow atheism any more than "born again" Christianity. Mostly, if any open-minded person thinks too much about "why are we here/how did we get here?" it's just crazy-making.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Like most people we just assume we're like everyone else. It's different enough on the continent, but America is something else entirely.
I was made to go to church as a kid, hated it, found it completely miserable and I still can't see the point in it. What sort of superior being would want his followers to spend an hour being bored to the back teeth every week?
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)How can "They" worship one and defile the other?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)Naa, that would be too much to hope for.
Orrex
(63,215 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and stealing words from Lincoln.
It was a nice and well-constructed answer, but hardly "stunning". (Stunning? Really? )
Religion in politics turns me off. It's unnecessary. His quasi-atheism is about the ONLY thing about Bernie that I find appealing.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Thank goodness you let us know.
choie
(4,111 posts)the integrity to respond as Bernie did.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)OxQQme
(2,550 posts)in front of a very biased student body.
I'm a 75 year old male and have seen a share of prez's.
Bernie will be The Best for this country since FDR.
If the willy-waggers get their way and any other candidate ends up with 'the crown', we're doomed.
Doomed, I tell you..................think of what came to cause a 'Planet of the Apes' scenario for real ...doomed.
Probably not in our lifetime, but future generations need our concern NOW.
I propose a bumper sticker phrase-----"WE" not "ME"
If it's to be a woman, please let her show the softer feminine side, not the macho warrior.
#Thanks to Sheri Tepper's latest book for the term "willy-wagger".#
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I have to say to Bernie's statement:
Arrgh and R'amen!
May you all be touched by His noodly appendages.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Bernie Sanders is genuine, no phony baloney, nothing wishy washy, he understands what all those Evangelicals will never understand. That is why he gets my vote in March. Bernie Sanders !!!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)We don't vote until June.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I truly hope so. I'm in Ohio, we vote March 15. I could vote for him now in early voting, but I enjoy going to the polls on the day of the vote...just in case there are a few undecided voters, love to converse with them.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)<---
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)GoldenMean
(49 posts)January 20th 2017
Standing with his hand over his heart
"I, Bernie Sanders, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United Sates, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. In the name of all that is good and Holy, with the Spirit of life and love which dwells within and among and beyond us."
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Welcome to DU!
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)hristian string but not all Christians act like Christ . I could just point you to what just came out on blu ray as the best Jesus movie ever made and it was made nearly 40 yrs ago and Jesus is played by a JEWISH actor. Robert Powell in Jesus of Nazereth . Nothing to add here.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)"I got mine" in the party and too much win at any cost too.
840high
(17,196 posts)NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)IMO that's a bit over the top.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)welfare."
Translated: You got five years to get your shit together. After that, you're on your own.
Raster
(20,998 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Did Trump fart in the morning? CNN will report on it for 8 hours straight. They'll rotate a nuclear exchange or two for a couple of minutes, then go back to that. They're the Clinton News Network until the noms are sealed. From that moment they're all Trump's. He's one of theirs after all - a celebrity!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)CNN is no longer the glorious voice of the State Department and CIA, you know. It's a struggling low-ratings 24/7 trash-gossip network that doesn't want to fuck with the PTB, but needs badly to sell some boner-pill commercials.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)this world would stop being a shit hole for so many people and start being a good place to live.
zentrum
(9,865 posts).. a transformational President.
shireen
(8,333 posts)It would make a great quote to circulate on social media.
catrose
(5,068 posts)It would be sacred to Islam also. And the concept, as Bernie says, is inherent in non-Book religions also. When I read his words, I thought of this poem, written as the author lay ill, close to death and heard church bells ringing:
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
--John Donne
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Once you understand his core principles as expressed in the OP, all the other stuff - the policy priorities, the causes, the rhetoric, all of it - makes sense.
It's not an angle. It's not positioning. It's not triangulation. It's not polling group-tested. Once you understand where it's coming from, it all makes sense.
I don't care that elected officials deliver everything they promise; they're not interviewing for the job of mailman. I do care that they articulate a set of values and principles and TRY.
There are only two people in modern politics who I would describe this way; Bernie Sanders and Jimmy Carter.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)AmandaSara
(2 posts)Senator Sanders has managed to summon in a few words what the problem is and what the solution is. The Senator has my undivided attention. And my vote.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)that so-called breathtaking response will not get him into the Whitehouse.
JEB
(4,748 posts)are only trying to get in your wallet, your pants or just fuck with your head for fun.
senz
(11,945 posts)The United States and, indeed, the world will be better off with President Bernie Sanders.
Now is the time for greatness and goodness.