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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:46 PM Feb 2016

CNN Asked Bernie Sanders About His Religion: Here’s His Breathtaking Response

https://tr.im/1tzcg

On Tuesday, just four days before South Carolina’s Democratic primary, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton took questions from voters at a lively CNN Town Hall in the newly de-battle flagged state capital of Columbia.

Amid all the talk about Wall Street, racism, Donald Trump, and the GOP’s obstructionism, Bernie Sanders was asked about his “spirituality.” That, of course, was meant to be a trap, a litmus test. Americans like their presidents Christian. In fact, we haven’t had a non-Christian president since Thomas Jefferson (Abraham Lincoln was raised Christian and kept quiet about his un-churched status), let alone a not-particularly religious Jew.

Here was Bernie Sanders’ stunning reply:
“Every great religion in the world — Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism — essentially comes down to: ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ And what I have believed in my whole life — I believed it when I was a 22-year-old kid getting arrested in Chicago fighting segregation — I’ve believed it in my whole life.”

And then, Bernie Sanders even appeared to get a little choked up as he declared:
“That we are in this together — not just, not words. The truth is at some level when you hurt, when your children hurt, I hurt. I hurt. And when my kids hurt, you hurt. And it’s very easy to turn our backs on kids who are hungry, or veterans who are sleeping out on the street, and we can develop a psyche, a psychology which is ‘I don’t have to worry about them; all I’m gonna worry about is myself; I need to make another 5 billion dollars.’
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CNN Asked Bernie Sanders About His Religion: Here’s His Breathtaking Response (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
That was astonishingly moving. Merryland Feb 2016 #1
I fucking love this guy. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #63
Yes, it was very moving. TheDormouse Feb 2016 #106
Oh, but Hillary believes in the Golden Rule too. forest444 Feb 2016 #117
golden ... fierywoman Feb 2016 #129
And bleached blonde to boot. forest444 Feb 2016 #131
This is irrelevant to issues eridani Feb 2016 #162
Oh, for fuck's sake awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #174
It literally gave me chills, and I said to my wife "we have to get this guy elected president" tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #123
I've said it for decades myself Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #159
Why does he need religion to tell him that? brooklynite Feb 2016 #2
He doesn't kennetha Feb 2016 #3
There's a poster: "Vote Bernie Sanders: He's not an asshole." Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #10
+1,000,000 dchill Feb 2016 #46
I don't need a religous framework to believe in God. In fact, I find that limits the roguevalley Feb 2016 #50
I would like to say the same thing. erlewyne Feb 2016 #61
you are welcome, my dear erlewyne. All of us are one at the roguevalley Feb 2016 #68
Lovely comment. n/t Chemisse Feb 2016 #126
Spot On roguevalley. n/t LittleGirl Feb 2016 #83
I love that sign. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #65
Since when has it been a 'dodge'.... daleanime Feb 2016 #17
Of course it was a dodge LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #67
I don't think anyone could have explained it better n/t gelatinous cube Feb 2016 #124
thanks! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #146
I wish he could answer that way awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #176
He didn't dodge anything. He answered the question. pangaia Feb 2016 #34
He doesn't want to say that he doesn't believe in a transcendent being. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #43
Have some respect! When you need Mike__M Feb 2016 #82
I think LittleGirl Feb 2016 #88
thank goodness there are people here restorefreedom Feb 2016 #78
You say it's a dodge. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #81
I don't think it was a Dodge. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #90
That is true - and it makes a point in itself. Chemisse Feb 2016 #125
He doesn't; NO one does. elleng Feb 2016 #9
That was what the question was about. libtodeath Feb 2016 #11
HE doesn't---Amurkin "christian culture" needs it. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2016 #20
Your candidate is the "Christian" one. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #39
Christianity if practiced according to the tenets of Jesus -Matt.25:31-44 and roguevalley Feb 2016 #54
Well, Jesus did say that you are supposed to kill your neighbor if you catch him working on Sunday snooper2 Feb 2016 #73
I wouldn't mind knowing druidity33 Feb 2016 #130
several places Proud Veteran Feb 2016 #167
Numbers and Exodus are Old Testament awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #177
One of the charges used against jesus SwampG8r Feb 2016 #153
And here I thought her golden rule RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #92
He doesn't. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #56
Do you mean other than the highjack question? longship Feb 2016 #75
Why does anyone? n/t Herman4747 Feb 2016 #77
STRAWMAN. No one claimed he does. Seems you are trying to distract here. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #100
He doesn't ... Jopin Klobe Feb 2016 #105
Are you going to attack him for not expressing atheism? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #136
Pathetic. nt RedCappedBandit Feb 2016 #139
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #4
Hillary supporter here: Great answer. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #5
thank you, kstewart33. I agree roguevalley Feb 2016 #55
An injury to one is an injury to all! Mika Feb 2016 #6
I've also noticed Bernie's emails being signed "In solidarity" starroute Feb 2016 #25
One Big Union! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #66
But he wasn't supposed to talk about Jesus's message. He was supposed to say the name Jesus. valerief Feb 2016 #7
Yes, they were trying to corner him into the Jaayyzuss trap. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2016 #22
I was soooooo glad he didn't bite! nt valerief Feb 2016 #23
I'm sure he did a lot of thinking about questions like that. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2016 #31
Hillel said it before Jesus karynnj Feb 2016 #30
He didn't mention any Jewish rituals or leaders or, seeing as he was in SC, didn't mention anything valerief Feb 2016 #36
a life without works is no life at all. Jewish philosophy in a nutshell roguevalley Feb 2016 #57
It's all the same "can't we all get along?" stuff that even wolves do. nt valerief Feb 2016 #85
Not just politicians. Spending a few minutes watching that obscenely LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #38
Oh, definitely. And there's that "I need a new private jet" con artist mega-minister. valerief Feb 2016 #40
Bet rat face Osteen really isn't a Believer. Nothing more than a SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #108
I'm an atheist. As I see it, a real believer is the pigeon for the minister. nt valerief Feb 2016 #109
And none of that "can't serve God and Mammon" stuff either. Petrushka Feb 2016 #156
When I was a kid (back in the olden days) Faux pas Feb 2016 #8
I have also seen a translation somewhere of the golden rule that is.. pangaia Feb 2016 #37
Rabbi Hillel elljay Feb 2016 #128
Oh, thank you for that. I had no idea --and I know I read it somewhere else, pangaia Feb 2016 #134
Pleasure was mine! elljay Feb 2016 #145
It's a simple rule AlbertCat Feb 2016 #48
It is a fundamentally flawed rule... jberryhill Feb 2016 #86
I have tried to live up to it, too. Chemisse Feb 2016 #127
While I totally agree (& have the same views)...this is NOT going to fly with the general electorate anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #12
The Christian right wouldn't vote for him anyway starroute Feb 2016 #27
South Carolina hasn't voted Democratic since maybe 1976. So what difference does it make JDPriestly Feb 2016 #28
No way to move them into the 20th century much less the 21st. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #49
I know that there are intelligent, enligtened human beings in the South. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #116
The South needs to do better. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #118
I'm on the West Coast. California. We had Repubican governors who borrowed instead JDPriestly Feb 2016 #120
I know. Nobody ever comes out to see him or hear him. The ones that do must be atheists. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #33
The Christian Right won't vote for ANY Dem. arcane1 Feb 2016 #64
The Golden Rule farleftlib Feb 2016 #13
The Goldman Rule--We know whose religion that is..... panader0 Feb 2016 #29
Which religion would that be? grossproffit Feb 2016 #58
Mainline Mammon, of course. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #140
I'd like their answer but thanks for playing. grossproffit Feb 2016 #149
Hmm, I just noticed your screen name. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #150
The "He who has the gold makes the rules" one. n/t hootinholler Feb 2016 #155
Ha, right. Bernie lives by the Golden Rule, not the Goldman Rule. nt valerief Feb 2016 #32
That is beautiful!!! choie Feb 2016 #135
Well, I just reworked what the previous poster wrote. :) valerief Feb 2016 #137
Perfect! Petrushka Feb 2016 #157
As an atheist I approve this message! GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #14
Indeed. What a breath of fresh air. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #41
But think about why that question was asked, and how... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #15
Click bait headline oberliner Feb 2016 #16
Do you mean other than his response? longship Feb 2016 #80
As an atheist angrychair Feb 2016 #18
I think so too. I think some of them are too smart to really believe in evidence-less nonsense. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #42
Even with teapublicans angrychair Feb 2016 #51
Same here - he totally spoke for my view - no lip service needed. blm Feb 2016 #44
I think the same Mr.Bill Feb 2016 #52
right--is it about labels and electioneering, or is it about how we think and act in life? MisterP Feb 2016 #19
A soul brother. Praise the Lord. He has the same religion I have. Thanks, Bernie. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #21
I love that response, and I love that LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #24
"The truth is at some level when you hurt, when your children hurt, I hurt. Javaman Feb 2016 #26
love that poem, Javaman. Thank you. roguevalley Feb 2016 #59
Thank you for that LittleGirl Feb 2016 #95
I love that quote. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2016 #101
Truth . TheFarS1de Feb 2016 #115
Bernie's comments were incredibly moving to me, from the heart & soul 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #35
I guess that's the goal of the Clintons is to hit that magic first billion. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #45
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #47
I heard that. It was the perfect answer. mainer Feb 2016 #53
Overtly religious people are some of the worst people in the World. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #60
Yeah, that Martin Luther King sure was a douchenozzle. KamaAina Feb 2016 #69
He was a civil rights campaigner, not an evangelist. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #84
But he was overtly religious. KamaAina Feb 2016 #91
By that logic so is the Reverand Richard Coles. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #96
Really? maddiemom Feb 2016 #94
I was given a book by illusionist Derren Brown. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #97
You live WHERE? maddiemom Feb 2016 #172
I live in England. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #175
Oh, OK. maddiemom Feb 2016 #181
We don't realise we're so irreligious until we go abroad. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #182
Uh-Oh. I missed the sarcasm too. maddiemom Feb 2016 #110
What he said... Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #62
They are both Jews, with the same basic philosophy. -none Feb 2016 #76
Being a Republican and being a christian are mutually exclusive Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #79
Sanders was evn a carpenter for awhile n/t eridani Feb 2016 #163
Could it be... -none Feb 2016 #169
That was a much better answer than that idiotic question deserved Orrex Feb 2016 #70
If that had been Hillary's answer, she'd have been accused of being evasive ... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #71
We were all wondering what you might find appealing about him Ned_Devine Feb 2016 #87
Hillary doesn't have choie Feb 2016 #138
... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #160
Home run! sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #72
Condensed version of his talk at Falwell U OxQQme Feb 2016 #74
K&R n/t bobthedrummer Feb 2016 #89
As a devout follower and minister of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #93
A near PERFECT response! monicaangela Feb 2016 #98
He doesn't get my vote in March! KamaAina Feb 2016 #99
Does he get your vote in June? monicaangela Feb 2016 #104
Look to your left. KamaAina Feb 2016 #107
Enough said! monicaangela Feb 2016 #113
I had a dream GoldenMean Feb 2016 #102
Nice eighth post! KamaAina Feb 2016 #103
I really don't much care what religion he is although because he's Jewish he's related more in the C PatrynXX Feb 2016 #111
This is what the Democratic Party used to be. Caring about everybody. Now there is too much liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #112
Yep. 840high Feb 2016 #142
Proud to be the 200th Rec (NT) NeoGreen Feb 2016 #114
It's a fine answer, but "breathtaking" and "stunning"? LisaM Feb 2016 #119
Bill Clinton's response to the people living in poverty was better. "We are gonna change the face of Hoppy Feb 2016 #121
Don't diss Bill.... he was the first black President Raster Feb 2016 #132
Notice it was CNN, the Clinton News Network, a branch of the Clinton-Corp-Media. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #122
Yes and No. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #141
I personally think the PTB prefer Clinton over the loose canon Trump. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #144
Sure, but PTB and CNN are not quite the same. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #151
Best analysis of the talking heads evah! Last.sentence says it all SwampG8r Feb 2016 #154
Best answer ever! The golden rule. If we JUST lived by that, PatrickforO Feb 2016 #133
Bernie will be zentrum Feb 2016 #143
i'd love to see that converted into a caption with his photo shireen Feb 2016 #147
Both Hillel and Jesus commented on that passage from the Torah catrose Feb 2016 #148
Compelling Wisdom - Vs - Disheartening Cynicism - The Choice Is Clear cantbeserious Feb 2016 #152
Just Adding My... WAY TO GO BERNIE! n/t ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #158
This is why people trust Bernie. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2016 #161
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #164
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #165
This needs a few thousand recs. bvf Feb 2016 #166
K&R Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #168
Back to the top n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #170
He's such a good, decent man Rider3 Feb 2016 #171
This is what being Spiritual is all about AmandaSara Feb 2016 #173
But at the end of the day... asuhornets Feb 2016 #178
I would guess that approx. 90% of "Christians" JEB Feb 2016 #179
Bernie's lifelong compassion drove his lifelong fight for just, compassionate government. senz Feb 2016 #180

eridani

(51,907 posts)
162. This is irrelevant to issues
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:18 AM
Feb 2016

Hey--I'm bleached Medium Golden Brown myself, and Hillary's hare looks fine.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
123. It literally gave me chills, and I said to my wife "we have to get this guy elected president"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:34 PM
Feb 2016

He basically said what I've felt forever...we are all connected, we all need to help each other.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
3. He doesn't
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:49 PM
Feb 2016

it was a dodge. He doesn't want to say that he doesn't believe in a transcendent being. So he shifts the focus to what "spirituality means to me."

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
50. I don't need a religous framework to believe in God. In fact, I find that limits the
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

great love I have for God and God has for me. I am spiritual in the same way that Bernie is. His answer could have come from Jesus. Jesus the man, not the gimmick that religion has made him into, sullying and burying his great loving message of solidarity and love for each other under power and money trips. He LIVES his spiritual beliefs. That wasn't a dodge. it was a testament.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
61. I would like to say the same thing.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

How did you know how I feel? We never met or conversed.


I am voting for Bernie!


Thank you roguevalley

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
67. Of course it was a dodge
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

I support Bernie but I get a little tired of fellow supporters freaking out about every tiny observation that may be construed as a criticism. Sheez. And the poster above, Peace Patriot : It doesn't mean kennetha thinks he's an asshole.

It was a clever dodge. kennetha is correct. brooklynite tried to ignite a little flame war and you both fell for it.

The host knew full well that the maniacally defensive and dominant religion is Christianity in the US. How it is so culturally ingrained that even non-Christians, or non practicing Christians, are almost conditioned to expect someone proclaiming their Christian faith before running for President. Famous athletes thank God for championships, Actors and musicians do before accepting awards, and the military tributes are blanketed in saccharine dripping Christian/Nationalistic conflations. Hillary got it out of the way a while ago with her declaration that The Bible was her favorite book.

So he used the language of the audience he knew was watching. Put it into terms that could define him by their standards.

Bernie speaks his mind and is honest. But he is still a politician. He can answer the question any way he wants, and this was a gotcha question, so he responded back and showed he knew full well what the host was trying to do. Maybe in his mind he was thinking "I don't believe in fairy tales like Christianity, I don't need that claptrap to tell me to treat others like I'd like to be treated". Do you honestly want him to answer that way? The host was hoping to catch him either saying "next question" or "I'm not a religious person", maybe followed with a "So you don't consider yourself a Christian?". Bernie transcended (!) the question by being inclusive of the more religiously inclined watching, yet still being honest about his own "spirituality".

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
176. I wish he could answer that way
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:20 PM
Feb 2016

but we know there is no way he, or any other politician, could. It is a sad fact of our banana republic.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
43. He doesn't want to say that he doesn't believe in a transcendent being.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

He also isn't gonna pretend the Bible is his favorite book.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
82. Have some respect! When you need
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

a heavy block to weigh something down, a large Bible is almost as useful as good dictionary.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
88. I think
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

I love you. lol, /s....hmmm, this is weird.

i was once married to a Mike M and you seem much more liberal than him, so probably not. Anyway, that made me laugh out loud.

thanks for the chuckle. Hysterical because it's so cruel and honest.
edit:typo

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
90. I don't think it was a Dodge.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:22 PM
Feb 2016

I believe that Bernie drives a more reliable Chevy. They cost less too.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
125. That is true - and it makes a point in itself.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

That organized religion is not a requirement to be a good person, that belief in a deity is not necessary to be a spiritual person.

I applaud him.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
20. HE doesn't---Amurkin "christian culture" needs it.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

He gave a great response to a gotcha question.

I'm sure ready for more NON Christians in government.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
54. Christianity if practiced according to the tenets of Jesus -Matt.25:31-44 and
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

the Golden Rule is demanding and hard. Given HRC's history of you name it, she is practicing dogma, not the tenets and teachings of Jesus. Who would Jesus cheat, lie to, steal from, kill for money, sell to the highest bidder? No one.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
73. Well, Jesus did say that you are supposed to kill your neighbor if you catch him working on Sunday
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

Proud Veteran

(35 posts)
167. several places
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:10 AM
Feb 2016

Numbers 15:32-41

A Sabbathbreaker Executed
32 While the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation. 34 They put him in custody, because it had not been made clear what should be done to him. 35 And the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, as the Lord commanded Moses.

Also Exodus 35:2 is pretty clear

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
153. One of the charges used against jesus
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

Was that he didnt respect the sabbath because he cured the ill during it.
So i dont think he ever said that

longship

(40,416 posts)
75. Do you mean other than the highjack question?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

How would anybody else answer it?

He fucking nailed it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
100. STRAWMAN. No one claimed he does. Seems you are trying to distract here.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

I think what he said rang true, don't you?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
136. Are you going to attack him for not expressing atheism?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

That would fit the Clinton campaign approach perfectly. What religion does she profess, again? I forgot. Let's google... Ah, Methodist. Mixed marriage with Bill being Baptist. Right, right, I remember now. The Family. Prayer breakfasts. Yeah.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
25. I've also noticed Bernie's emails being signed "In solidarity"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

Haven't seen much of that around in a while.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. But he wasn't supposed to talk about Jesus's message. He was supposed to say the name Jesus.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:08 PM
Feb 2016

That's how American politics works.

We've learned from the book The Family that many U.S. senators and representatives believe "gawd" shows his love for you by showering you with riches (of the financial type). That's American politics, none of the "do unto my neighbor" stuff.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1456337343&sr=1-3&keywords=the+family


Presidents can't be hippies. Presidents are supposed to support the country's biggest industry--WAR.



valerief

(53,235 posts)
36. He didn't mention any Jewish rituals or leaders or, seeing as he was in SC, didn't mention anything
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:57 PM
Feb 2016

Christiany. He mentioned no religious trimmings, which is what pols are supposed to do to validate their political eligibility. He could have said, "I'm a humanist," and gone on to say what he did.

He didn't take the bait.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
57. a life without works is no life at all. Jewish philosophy in a nutshell
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

the message of Jesus in a nutshell

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
38. Not just politicians. Spending a few minutes watching that obscenely
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

wealthy con artist Joel Osteen is a revelation. People fill his giant mega-church and throw their hard earned dollars his way because he tells them that if they do, God will make them rich. Then they go home to their mortgages and big doctor bills and college tuition payments and ride around in their gas guzzlers and hope that one day they, too, will be as blessed by God as Osteen is for he has it all.

PT Barnum would be laughing his ass off.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
40. Oh, definitely. And there's that "I need a new private jet" con artist mega-minister.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

How does anyone follow these assholes? I think some humans are raised to be masochists.

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
8. When I was a kid (back in the olden days)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

in elementary school the Golden Rule was written on the blackboard in every class the first day of school. It stayed up on all the blackboards the whole school year.

It's a simple rule that I've tried to live by my whole life. Bernie speaks for me!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
37. I have also seen a translation somewhere of the golden rule that is..
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

"Do not do unto others that which you would not have them do unto you."

Not that this is a comment at all on Bernie's statement, which I greatly admire, but just the interesting observation that the two different translations have very different meanings.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
128. Rabbi Hillel
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:27 PM
Feb 2016

The version you quote is a paraphrase of the earlier Jewish golden rule from Rabbi Hillel.

"That which is despicable to you, do not do to your fellow, this is the whole Torah, and the rest is commentary, go and learn it." - Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a

The Christian version is expressed as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Different perspectives.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
134. Oh, thank you for that. I had no idea --and I know I read it somewhere else,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:37 PM
Feb 2016

but I do not remember a source being mentioned.

Thank you,



 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
86. It is a fundamentally flawed rule...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:16 PM
Feb 2016

...because there are too many masochists who take it to heart, and treat everyone that way.

A sadistic asshole is merely a masochist following the Golden Rule.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
127. I have tried to live up to it, too.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

And I haven't been a Christian since I was 14 years old (probably equally long ago).

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
12. While I totally agree (& have the same views)...this is NOT going to fly with the general electorate
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

We are spoiled here because dems can look past things like religion and race...but look at the large chunk of the repubs who want to build a wall and keep Muslims out of the country. They will not go for an agnostic. Period. It would be akin to telling them to take "In God We Trust" off the money. Bernie did a good job in stating his answer in a way that is hard to object, but the Christian right will totally be able to read through the lines.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. South Carolina hasn't voted Democratic since maybe 1976. So what difference does it make
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:51 PM
Feb 2016

what the religious fanatics in that state think?

South Carolina has made itself irrelevant to Democratic strategy. Not a smart move. But then what do we expect from these deep South states.

No way to move them into the 20th century much less the 21st. They are still mired in the Civil War and the Reconstruction.

And I say that as one who lived in the South as a teenager. I know the culture pretty well.

In the 90s I asked a person from the state in which I lived when I was a teenager whether that state had finally changed. The answer: No.

It's not for Bernie to try to match the ignorance of Southerners. It's for Southerners to join the rest of America.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
49. No way to move them into the 20th century much less the 21st.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

Thanks for the South bashing! It's always refreshing!

BTW SC is not the "Deep South". That would be more MS and AL and GA.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
116. I know that there are intelligent, enligtened human beings in the South.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

But I am 72 and lived there in the 1950s. Integration was forced on Southerners as was the end of slavery. Their economies are relatively backward. They don't join unions. They don't even seem to believe that employees should share in the profits and benefits (generally) of the companies they work for. They often refused the Medicaid benefits as Sanders points out.

The South is backward.

And Southerners who aren't backward need to do everything they can to organize like-minded people and educate and raise the awareness and confidence of Southerners so that they can move into the 21st century.

Generally, Southern states vote Republican. They send only a few Democrats to Congress. That's backwards. Sorry if the truth hurts. But if you are a Southerner, that is, if the shoe fits, wear it.

The South needs to do better. Southern Democrats need to organize, organize, organize.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
118. The South needs to do better.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:33 PM
Feb 2016

My state of NC voted for Obama in '08, y'know. And just barely missed it in '12, after the GOP spent tons of dough.

The South IS doing better.

The West and Mid-west, however....

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
120. I'm on the West Coast. California. We had Repubican governors who borrowed instead
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

of raising missing money in taxes. We nearly went bankrupt until we elected a Democratic governor -- Jerry Brown. I don't agree with him on everything. Fracking is one thing I strongly disagree with him on. Managements of the land on our coasts is another. But he has returned us to fiscal sanity.

Liberal Southerners have to do a lot better.

Some of the Midwestern states are just terrible also. I agree. So are the Western states that are not on the coast in many instances.

Here are maps of the presidential election results state by state, across the nation.

http://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/

1964. A big year for Democrats. It followed the 1960 election of JFK and his assassination in 1968. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

Look how the map gets redder after that.

Racism is wrong but it is the tool that Republicans used to gain their evil foothold across the country.

We have to return to the sanity of 1964. I hope it does not take tragedy to get us there.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
13. The Golden Rule
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

No, that's not the Goldman Sachs' credo.

It's what Bernie Sanders lives every day of his life, every minute of his campaign, every bill that comes before him for a vote.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
150. Hmm, I just noticed your screen name.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:37 PM
Feb 2016

Gross profit is a pretty good name for the religion in question as well. It's shared equally by Deutsche Bank and Bank of China.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
41. Indeed. What a breath of fresh air.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:01 PM
Feb 2016

We need to break the nutty irrational religious stranglehold on this country.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
15. But think about why that question was asked, and how...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

He was not asked informally about his spiritual views, as a way for people to know him better as a person. The question was specifically about "God", and not a generic "God", and it was asked in South Carolina. He handled it well though. As well as one could have handled it. But it's fucking clear that the moderators at these debates are totally pro-establishment.

longship

(40,416 posts)
80. Do you mean other than his response?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

Or do people actually oppose this sentiment?

And what kind of utter madness would that entail?

I would call that stretching things rather severely.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
18. As an atheist
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

I find his perspective refreshing and honest. I have always held the feeling that many candidates and office holders, have played the game, given religious beliefs the lip service required but no more believed in it than I do.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
42. I think so too. I think some of them are too smart to really believe in evidence-less nonsense.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:02 PM
Feb 2016

However, I'm sure plenty of dumbass Republicans really do think that the world was made in six days by Gawd and that Jesus is coming back to Earth any day now to suck believers up into the sky.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
51. Even with teapublicans
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:20 PM
Feb 2016

No one believes the tRump is a christian. Cruz? I have serious doubts. Carson? Nope. Rubio? Nope.
Its all about playing to their audience, getting elected. Getting their money.
Remember, as tRump said in his Nevada victory speech, "we love the uneducated".

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
52. I think the same
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:21 PM
Feb 2016

about the Clergy. They know it's a scam. Most of them anyway. I have known a few former Catholic priests who have told me just that. It's just a career in sales. Not coincidentally, they themselves were having successful careers in sales since leaving the priesthood.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
24. I love that response, and I love that
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

he referenced homeless vets. The plight of the homeless has long been ignored by politicians of both parties. I'm glad to see it's on Bernie's radar.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
26. "The truth is at some level when you hurt, when your children hurt, I hurt.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

I hurt. And when my kids hurt, you hurt."


No man is an island. By John Dunne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
60. Overtly religious people are some of the worst people in the World.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

That's not to say there's not some godawful atheists out there, normally the ram it down your throat types, who have every bit as much religious fervour as evangelists.

Look at all the shit Godboy George W Bush kicked up, we're all going to be dealing with that for a generation at least.

If anyone feels the need to tell me their religion, they're not someone I want to spend any time with.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
84. He was a civil rights campaigner, not an evangelist.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

Do you really need to use the sarcasm gif? You think people are that daft?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
91. But he was overtly religious.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

And yes, people at DU really can be that daft.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
96. By that logic so is the Reverand Richard Coles.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:33 PM
Feb 2016

There's a difference between a church minister and an evangelist. King was not defined by his evangelism but by his civil rights work. You can pick holes in my definition as much as you want, but the point remains, those who think their religion/philosophy makes them superior to those who do not share that outlook are truly terrible people. King wasn't one of those.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
94. Really?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure there must be a few, but in my seventy years, I've never met one. A few who will try to argue reason to religious nuts, sure. But "ram atheism down others' throats?" Not often.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
97. I was given a book by illusionist Derren Brown.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

I was looking forward to reading it, but it contained nothing about his stage show and everything about why we should all be atheists. I felt ripped off. Maybe evangelical atheists aren't a problem where you are, but in the least religious country in the World they can be a real pain in the arse.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
175. I live in England.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:16 PM
Feb 2016

The least religious country in the World. Unfortunately a lot of proselytizing atheists think non religious= atheist. It doesn't. The godsquad keep quiet, I wish they would too.

We have bloody organisations like this.

The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of all—no matter what they believed.


https://www.sundayassembly.com/story

One of the best things about not being religious is not having to go to church. I can think of better ways to spend my Sundays than sitting with a bunch of smug middle class people singing "We Will Rock You," and other rock classics all churched up.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
181. Oh, OK.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

When you said "least religious country," I knew you couldn't mean the U.S.A. Around here average, non celebrity atheists and agnostics keep pretty quiet about it. I lean agnostic: I can't completely swallow atheism any more than "born again" Christianity. Mostly, if any open-minded person thinks too much about "why are we here/how did we get here?" it's just crazy-making.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
182. We don't realise we're so irreligious until we go abroad.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

Like most people we just assume we're like everyone else. It's different enough on the continent, but America is something else entirely.

I was made to go to church as a kid, hated it, found it completely miserable and I still can't see the point in it. What sort of superior being would want his followers to spend an hour being bored to the back teeth every week?

-none

(1,884 posts)
76. They are both Jews, with the same basic philosophy.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

How can "They" worship one and defile the other?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
71. If that had been Hillary's answer, she'd have been accused of being evasive ...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:54 PM
Feb 2016

... and stealing words from Lincoln.

It was a nice and well-constructed answer, but hardly "stunning". (Stunning? Really? )

Religion in politics turns me off. It's unnecessary. His quasi-atheism is about the ONLY thing about Bernie that I find appealing.

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
74. Condensed version of his talk at Falwell U
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

in front of a very biased student body.

I'm a 75 year old male and have seen a share of prez's.
Bernie will be The Best for this country since FDR.

If the willy-waggers get their way and any other candidate ends up with 'the crown', we're doomed.

Doomed, I tell you..................think of what came to cause a 'Planet of the Apes' scenario for real ...doomed.
Probably not in our lifetime, but future generations need our concern NOW.

I propose a bumper sticker phrase-----"WE" not "ME"


If it's to be a woman, please let her show the softer feminine side, not the macho warrior.


#Thanks to Sheri Tepper's latest book for the term "willy-wagger".#

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
93. As a devout follower and minister of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

I have to say to Bernie's statement:
Arrgh and R'amen!

May you all be touched by His noodly appendages.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
98. A near PERFECT response!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:41 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders is genuine, no phony baloney, nothing wishy washy, he understands what all those Evangelicals will never understand. That is why he gets my vote in March. Bernie Sanders !!!

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
104. Does he get your vote in June?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

I truly hope so. I'm in Ohio, we vote March 15. I could vote for him now in early voting, but I enjoy going to the polls on the day of the vote...just in case there are a few undecided voters, love to converse with them.

 

GoldenMean

(49 posts)
102. I had a dream
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:45 PM
Feb 2016

January 20th 2017
Standing with his hand over his heart
"I, Bernie Sanders, do solemnly affirm that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United Sates, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. In the name of all that is good and Holy, with the Spirit of life and love which dwells within and among and beyond us."

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
111. I really don't much care what religion he is although because he's Jewish he's related more in the C
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

hristian string but not all Christians act like Christ . I could just point you to what just came out on blu ray as the best Jesus movie ever made and it was made nearly 40 yrs ago and Jesus is played by a JEWISH actor. Robert Powell in Jesus of Nazereth . Nothing to add here.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
112. This is what the Democratic Party used to be. Caring about everybody. Now there is too much
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:24 PM
Feb 2016

"I got mine" in the party and too much win at any cost too.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
121. Bill Clinton's response to the people living in poverty was better. "We are gonna change the face of
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

welfare."

Translated: You got five years to get your shit together. After that, you're on your own.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
141. Yes and No.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

Did Trump fart in the morning? CNN will report on it for 8 hours straight. They'll rotate a nuclear exchange or two for a couple of minutes, then go back to that. They're the Clinton News Network until the noms are sealed. From that moment they're all Trump's. He's one of theirs after all - a celebrity!

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
151. Sure, but PTB and CNN are not quite the same.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

CNN is no longer the glorious voice of the State Department and CIA, you know. It's a struggling low-ratings 24/7 trash-gossip network that doesn't want to fuck with the PTB, but needs badly to sell some boner-pill commercials.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
133. Best answer ever! The golden rule. If we JUST lived by that,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

this world would stop being a shit hole for so many people and start being a good place to live.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
147. i'd love to see that converted into a caption with his photo
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

It would make a great quote to circulate on social media.

catrose

(5,068 posts)
148. Both Hillel and Jesus commented on that passage from the Torah
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

It would be sacred to Islam also. And the concept, as Bernie says, is inherent in non-Book religions also. When I read his words, I thought of this poem, written as the author lay ill, close to death and heard church bells ringing:

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.
--John Donne
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
161. This is why people trust Bernie.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016

Once you understand his core principles as expressed in the OP, all the other stuff - the policy priorities, the causes, the rhetoric, all of it - makes sense.

It's not an angle. It's not positioning. It's not triangulation. It's not polling group-tested. Once you understand where it's coming from, it all makes sense.

I don't care that elected officials deliver everything they promise; they're not interviewing for the job of mailman. I do care that they articulate a set of values and principles and TRY.

There are only two people in modern politics who I would describe this way; Bernie Sanders and Jimmy Carter.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

AmandaSara

(2 posts)
173. This is what being Spiritual is all about
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

Senator Sanders has managed to summon in a few words what the problem is and what the solution is. The Senator has my undivided attention. And my vote.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
178. But at the end of the day...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

that so-called breathtaking response will not get him into the Whitehouse.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
179. I would guess that approx. 90% of "Christians"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

are only trying to get in your wallet, your pants or just fuck with your head for fun.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
180. Bernie's lifelong compassion drove his lifelong fight for just, compassionate government.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

The United States and, indeed, the world will be better off with President Bernie Sanders.

Now is the time for greatness and goodness.

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