The Negativity From Hillary and Her Supporters Is Having An Impact

[berni_mccoy]

Hillary's losing support at about the same rate that Democrats are saying they won't vote. That's what happens when you go Negative. It looks like Sanders is also seeing a bump as Democrats who don't like negative campaign seem to be switching to Bernie.

[grasswire]

1. toxic

So different from Bernie's message of hope.

[senz]

38. They have no idea how much antipathy and disgust they elicit

and deserve.

[Betty Karlson]

104. They don't want to know. It's all about winning with scorched earth tactics. eom

[raindaddy]

54. They don't care. They've always marginalized the progressive wing of the party..

They're going after what they consider moderate middle American and they're finding out they're pissed off and don't trust Hillary..

If Bernie loses ...before they destroy the party let's hope the neoliberal 3rd way democrats realize they had a thirty plus year ride and it's over.

[berni_mccoy]

94. Just like 2008

[leftofcool]

2. Please provide a link. I want to see this online poll for myself.

[HerbChestnut]

6. I made an OP about this late last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511323375

[jeff47]

9. Hrm...the graphic says Reuters at the top...it includes a date....

Golly, I wonder how one could possibly find the poll. Oh well. Must be impossible.

Oh wait! Google exists. And searching for "Reuters Poll" gives you the Reuters polling web site....which has this poll on the front page. Boy that was so easy to find!

[hobbit709]

102. Some people are only interested in charts that show the Anointed One in the lead.

[Gothmog]

3. Really, the odds on Predictwise of the Democrats winning have gone up

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner

[brooklynite]

4. Tell us where that "bump" is going to show up

Certainly doesn't seem to be happening with the African American voters in the south...or the working class voters in the midwest.

This is a State by State contest. If Clinton picks up the Southern States that Obama won in 2008, Sanders will need to pick up some VERY BIG States that Clinton won in 2008. Where are they?

[berni_mccoy]

5. Hurts, doesn't it. To see your negative behavior hurt your candidate...

[brooklynite]

14. Still waiting to see where the "hurt" is...

New York? (Clinton +21)
New Jersey? (Clinton +23)
Pennsylvania? (Clinton +17)
Ohio? (Clinton +15)
Michigan (Clinton +33)
Illinois? (Clinton +19)
Florida? (Clinton +36)

[kath]

18. bernie up by 1 in most recent Ohio poll, down by only 2 in most recent Oklahoma poll

Is there ANY single state where HRH's trendline is heading up, instead of down, down, down?

[PonyUp]

20. Inflation. That salon money just doesn't buy what it used to. n/t

[OilemFirchen]

45. Where does Sanders win in Ohio?

The only quasi-significant county which he will dominate is Athens. The rest of Southeast Ohio is coal country, and Sanders has been explicitly hostile to the coal industry. Same with central eastern Ohio.

He could ordinarily do well in Franklin (Columbus), but OSO will be on spring break. With a 28% black population, he's toast without college students.

Cuyahoga (Cleveland) is 30% black. Hamilton (Cincinnati) is 27% black. Montgomery (Dayton) is 21% black. Lucas (Toledo) is 27% black.

Speaking with some authority on this subject, Sanders cannot win Ohio - statewide polls notwithstanding. Ditto, BTW, for Michigan and Illinois (hola Chicago!).

[Mnpaul]

96. Good point

I never realized that. Free college would probably go over well. Parents would see a way for their kids to escape a dying industry.

[brooklynite]

21. Delighted to know about OK...not a significant delegate share

Am checking with my OH sources on Baldwin Wallace.

[kath]

22. Still - Are there ANY states where her numbers are going UP, not down? Please list.

I sure haven't seen any (but admittedly, have not looked at all states and territories)

[brooklynite]

23. I don't care if they're GOING up...I care if they ARE up.

Setting aside the question of whether OH is an outlier, you've identified exactly ONE State with a significant Delegate share.

[kath]

25. But her numbers are going down. Steadily.

[closeupready]

32. He'd know if her numbers were ascending; he declined to answer; translation:

Her numbers are declining in every race.

[timmymoff]

51. There are many things hillary supporters do not care about.

They do not care that she sold fracking to the world. They do not care about her recent evolution regarding TPP. They do not care she supported NAFTA. They do not care she supported keystone. They do not care she supported private prisons. They do not care she was on the board of Wal-Mart. They do not care that she negotiates backwards immediately seeking far less on minimum wage than the other candidates were. They do not care about anything except winning the primary, so they can then lose the general. Camp Weathervane: It's bubblelicious !

[Politicalboi]

28. You're dreaming with those numbers

[RoccoR5955]

47. How old are those numbers

and do you have a link to their source, or are they being pulled out of the air?

[jeff47]

10. Yeah, whatever will we do in the GE with a candidate that can't win SC. (nt)

[kath]

26. The most important state in the country!!1! OMG!

[brooklynite]

76. Um, my question is: how will Sanders actually win the nomination?

Fell free to tell me the States and the margins. That's how this thing works.

[jeff47]

84. We both know you really don't care.

Any map I produce, including polling data to back it up, will result in you saying "NUH UH!!!!"

So how 'bout we save time and just skip to you saying "NUH UH!!!!"?

[lostnfound]

98. Probably doesn't even care if he's chasing people's away in November

I still have to decide when to schedule my root canal.

[TheLogicalSong]

11. Not great, but the trend lines are encouraging.

[Katashi_itto]

12. Eveytime I look at anything about the idea of voting Hillary you and yours

come to mind.

Thanks!

[DrDan]

13. it will show up with the extra campaign stops in South Carolina and in the other Southern states

before next week's Super Tuesday

[brooklynite]

16. What "extra campaign stops"?

Andy Shain ‏@AndyShain

Other than @CNN town hall in Columbia on Tue., no other Bernie Sanders stops announced for #SCPrimary where he's down 24% to Hillary Clinton

[DrDan]

19. (I knew that)

[ellennelle]

29. take note

this is reuters DAILY national poll.

the trend speaks for itself.

and to remind you, national means ALL the states, each and every one.

[AlbertCat]

49. Certainly doesn't seem to be happening with the African American voters in the south...

...or the working class voters in the midwest.

I see it clearly in the very few states that have voted already....

What with 2 barely won with tiny %'s states, both with vote count shenanigans... and one excellent win.

Certainly seems to be happening if you stop tap dancing and look for a moment.

[CorporatistNation]

74. MSNBC Mika Brysinski, "Print Reporters Have Transcripts... "

[jillan]

7. I think it was in the Nation? I just read an article about this, how Clinton & her supporters

are alienating Bernie supporters.

[Agschmid]

44. I've felt alienated for months on this website.

I'm still going to vote...

Being "alienated" does not make me check out it only makes me stronger in my resolve to support my candidate.

[restorefreedom]

62. there are many who might not have your resolve.

esp the young who can sometimes be easily disillusioned.

[Agschmid]

69. I'm young.

Not that young but I am a millenial.

People shouldn't let this get in their way.

[restorefreedom]

85. i didn't want to assume anyone's age :)

but glad you are determined. i hope everyone will get out and vote for their candidate. but with all the poop flinging, many might get discouraged.

[Marty McGraw]

91. absolutely!

Regardless of butthurt our most important duty has to be tended to for all the rest of our survival together as a country.

If all it takes is a form to fill out to allieve any grievances and get it off ppl's chest and get the hell out and vote Regardless of said butthurt, then so be it!

[merrily]

60. Constantly criticizing people, broad brush smearing them, saying or implying they're racist and

sexist--especially if they deny being racist and sexist--alienates people? Damned thin-skinned Bernie Bros!

[bkkyosemite]

79. Absolutely true!

[revbones]

8. Here's the link

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TR131/filters/PARTY_ID_:1/dates/20160101-20160223/type/smallest/spotlight/1

[yourpaljoey]

15. wicked cool

[nashville_brook]

17. also her awful campaigning is doing her no favors.

she's really a terrible advocate for herself. just watch the CNN Town Hall from last night. it's truly an embarrassment.

[azmom]

30. I'm so turned off by her and her campaign

I can't even stomach watching her anymore.

[nashville_brook]

42. it's worth it to tune in when it's not Chuck Toad "moderating"

that NV tongue-bath was a joke. the SC town hall by contrast actually required her to be present and accounted for, and it didn't go well.

[LovingA2andMI]

61. Understandable.....

MTS...

[Nonhlanhla]

72. Funny that

That's how I feel about Bernie and his campaign.

[azmom]

73. There will be no uniting the party.

I can almost guarantee it.

[Nonhlanhla]

80. Most Hillary supporters have pledged to vote for Bernie

if he's the nominee.

The problem seems to lie largely with some Bernie supporters. We'll see if you're true progressives.

[azmom]

83. We will see.

[Politicalboi]

27. Good

Now can we indict her.

[Onlooker]

31. Actually, I think most of the negativity is coming from Sanders supporters

Hillary a corporate shill, Hillary's racist past, Hillary a Goldwater girl, Hillary email scandal, Hillary anti-gay, Hillary supporting military juntas, African Americans are ignorant for supporting Hillary, gays are ignorant for supporting Hillary, etc. Bernie still has my vote, but too many of his supporters are immature assholes who are hurting him with their chronic abuse of Hillary. All the complaints about her are simplistic interpretation of complex events.

[Jitter65]

33. I believe you are correct. nt

[bettyellen]

35. and everyone except Bernie and Elizabeth totally suck. Are they going to run the US by themselves?

[SunSeeker]

37. +1

[grossproffit]

40. Yep.

[Agschmid]

41. Nailed it.

[AlbertCat]

53. Hillary a corporate shill...

But... all those things are observations, not attacks.

[AlbertCat]

57. Hillary a corporate shill, ....

But... all those things are observations, not attacks.

and I would add:

Sanders is not a corporate shill, Sander's does not have a racist past, Sanders wasn't a Goldwater girl, Sanders doesn't have an email scandal, Sanders never seemed anti-gay, even in the '70s and 80s. Sanders doesn't support military juntas.

African Americans who don't seem to know Sanders civil rights past are ignorant.... if they don't know about it. Gays are ignorant if they don't know about Sanders long history of championing their rights, etc. Why these two groups would ignore Sanders' history on these subjects is a mystery.


Hillary is also often accused of not being consistent. I disagree. Just because the official GOP has lost its ever-loving mind doesn't mean that the old GOP ideas are dead. Many of them live in the Third Way. Hillary is still a Goldwater girl.

[demwing]

101. +100%

Thank you!

[Old Codger]

68. Partly true

Her record speaks for itself on a lot of that but anyone alluding to those who support her being ignorant is absolutely wrong and in fact ignorant on their part. Nothing is gained on either side by attempts to demean the opposition, that goes both ways, and does nothing beyond harming the ones attempting it and causing schisms that become too wide and deep to overcome.

[demwing]

103. When did "ignorant" become a pejorative?

Some people are ignorant of Bernie's civil rights record, but that doesn't make them less intelligent.

[wryter2000]

77. Thank you

[Dem2]

87. You appear to be correct

I'm seeing the same over the top attacks daily.

[tammywammy]

97. +1 n/t

[workinclasszero]

34. If you filter for "Likely Democratic Voters"

...then Clinton leads Sanders 51 - 44.

Gotta win the primary first Bern supporters.

Nice try though.

[Cassiopeia]

36. Hillary is our best asset.

I hope she doubles down and truly fights to tank her campaign during the primaries. Otherwise we're going to be stuck with whoever the Republican voters pick in their primary as our next POTUS.

[thereismore]

48. It would be less devastating for her personally if she lost the primary than if she lost the GE.

It's her choice. Our future.

[Agschmid]

39. Negativity from Hillary supporters... Lol.

Have you checked GDP lately?

Actually just review this thread.

We have two great candidates for the nomination I've voted for Sanders in the past, he was my senator. I can't wait to cast my first vote for Clinton.

[40RatRod]

43. Nice post!

[Trust Buster]

46. The negativity from Hillary and her supporters ?

What about the negativity coming from Bernie's supporters ? You would have to be blind not to see that negativity on this site. I really don't think that the Republicans have been as brutal towards Hillary over the past 25 years as I've seen of the Bernie supporters on this site in the last 6 months. Even Bernie himself found it necessary to come out a couple of weeks ago and speak to this issue. Go ahead and convince yourselves otherwise Bernie supporters. But, you're only fooling yourselves.

[thereismore]

50. Are you saying he gets new support by having negative supporters? It's a little counter-intuitive.

To me. Whatever he is doing is working.

[Trust Buster]

55. I'm saying that I'm a college educated man who can read.

It's disingenuous to claim that Bernie supporters have not gone negative on Hillary and her supporters on this site. We're called DINOs and Third Wayers merely for supporting her. This has been a two way street.

[Trajan]

56. I would guess that the GOP prefer her to be in the catbird seat

She is their useful foil, and it fits their agenda to hold her up for ridicule ...

On the other hand, many of us regular Democrats see her as way too conservative ... As someone who speaks 'liberal' when she has to, but then rules as a moderate republican ...

We regular Democrats aren't buying it this time around ... Our complaints are legitimate ... Stop trying to paint our legitimate complaints about her as 'attacks' ... If it's a truth, and based on a concrete fact, then, it's not an attack ...

[Trust Buster]

59. The above post represents exhibit A.

Calling Hillary the Republican's "useful foil" is not only an unsubstantiated opinion but it assumes that the millions of Hillary supporters are the Republicans "useful foils" as well, by definition. No two Democrats have sustained vicious Republican attacks over the years more so than Bill and Hillary. Thanks for pointing out to us that they're secret Republicans. Good to see that your not going negative on Hillary supporters though.

[Trajan]

63. No ... The millions of Hillary supporters

Appear to be happy with her moderate republican stances ...

I say to them - there is already a republican party ... Go join them if you want a republican nominee ...

And to you? ... Your nonsensical commentary isn't worth my time any longer ...

I utterly and completely disagree with your candidate choice AND your proclamations about how things are ...

Given a chance to avoid this, I will take it ... Gone

[Trust Buster]

67. Well, it's nice to see that you're not going negative on Hillary and her supporters just the same.

[AlbertCat]

108. I really don't think that the Republicans have been as brutal towards Hillary over the past 25 years

... as I've seen of the Bernie supporters on this site


Oh please. I don't think you really think this.

If you DO, I suggest you study a little history.

[one_voice]

52. I see there were 998 resondents...

but I don't see any reference to 'Negativity from Hillary & her supporters' being the cause of anything related to this poll. Could you please point that out to me. Thanks.

[Cryptoad]

58. yall really dont understand much about online polling, heh?

[Duval]

64. I am not surprised. I can no longer watch/hear her.

When she goes negative, her whole face transforms into a hateful mask and her voice gets strident.

[zappaman]

65. LOL!!!!!

[erlewyne]

66. I'm voting for Bernie.

I wish I knew about him when I served in 1968.
We were trained to subdue riots. Rap Brown was
coming to Berlin back then.

I never heard of Bernard Sanders. I sure missed
out in never hearing of him.

[Tarc]

71. Laughable. If the DU is any indication, the more Sanders falls behind in the polls

the worse his supporters treat the Hillary supporters here.

Clinton is winning, and will increase her lead over the next week. There's no need to go negative when you're ahead.

[workinclasszero]

75. There's no need to go negative when you're ahead.

That's true.

The picture will become crystal clear in 6 short days.

[noamnety]

89. Note to Bernie supporters:

"There's no need to go negative when you're ahead." <-- this post is much funnier if you take a few minutes to google Tarc's recent posting history.

[FairWinds]

81. There is also a whole lot of negativity from Sanders supporters . .

If Bernie is not responsible for the bad behavior of some of his backers,

then Ms. Clinton should not be held responsible for it either.

[tk2kewl]

93. i think the negativity referenced by the op

is coming from the brock/hillary campaign

[bkkyosemite]

82. There is a lot more to this primary then the next 6 days.

[Dem2]

86. Bernie supporters are 10X more negative

What makes people oblivious to what they say?

[berni_mccoy]

88. You guys have been saying that all year. However, as Hillary has struggled

She's gone 100% negative. And it shows in the polls.

[Dem2]

90. Who are "you guys"?

I support Bernie as much as I support Hillary and I have yet to attack either candidate in a post.

You may want to re-evaluate your stock answer to criticism.

[MaeScott]

92. *shakes head* nt

[sister_rosa_refried]

99. This must be Backwards Day, dear.

The gals and I at the ol' Kneel and Pray find the total opposite. Even Sister Clara Vision who wares those coke bottle glasses can see that is to total toro caca.

[Fairgo]

100. Man, that looks serious

Does she need a tourniquet to stop the haemorrhaging?

[liberal N proud]

105. Funniest spin I have seen all week

Negativity from Hillary and her supporters?

[PonyUp]

106. kick n/t

[Gregorian]

107. I see Dems who are going to vote for Trump if she's the nominee!

I am not kidding. I am running into Dems who dislike her so much they think trump would be a better president.

And one of these people was the first conscientious objector in the Air Force, in Vietnam. He's a blue as they come.