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nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:51 PM Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders Ties Hillary Clinton to Poverty Caused by Welfare Reform



http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/24/bernie-sanders-ties-hillary-clinton-to-poverty-caused-by-welfare-reform/?_r=0

Bernie Sanders Ties Hillary Clinton to Poverty Caused by Welfare Reform

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont began his day of campaigning Wednesday by criticizing Hillary Clinton’s support of welfare reform in 1996, accusing her of backing legislation that ultimately increased poverty levels and led more Americans to face economic anxiety.

(snip)

“What welfare reform did, in my view, was to go after some of the weakest and most vulnerable people in this country,” Mr. Sanders said. “And, during that period. I spoke out against so-called welfare reform because I thought it was scapegoating people who were helpless, people who were very, very vulnerable. Secretary Clinton at that time had a very different position on welfare reform — strongly supported it and worked hard to round up votes for its passage.”

Mr. Sanders said that since the legislation was signed into law, the number of families living in extreme poverty has more than doubled. He said that if elected, he would work to reverse that trend.

“What we are going to do in this country if I have anything to say about it is to say if somebody works 40 hours a week, that person is not going to live in poverty,” Mr. Sanders said, adding that he would raise the federal minimum wage to $15. “Today the minimum wage of $7.25 is nothing less than a starvation wage.”

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Bernie Sanders Ties Hillary Clinton to Poverty Caused by Welfare Reform (Original Post) nashville_brook Feb 2016 OP
YES!!!!! grasswire Feb 2016 #1
the dogwhistle has always been: "those lazy minorities" nashville_brook Feb 2016 #2
I'm happy that he is working to hold her accountable. grasswire Feb 2016 #4
he's getting down to business and it's a beautiful thing to see. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #6
he will be accused of beating up on her grasswire Feb 2016 #7
A'Whistle" That Is "Tuned" To Be "Selectively Heard And Understood." CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #32
Good! Too bad the networks didn't show this speech, they were too busy talking about Trump. jillan Feb 2016 #3
and if Trump wins the script will be "oh you terrible Sanders supporters" nashville_brook Feb 2016 #5
Bernie is starting to fight back. His numbers will only go up. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #8
and Brock will squeal ever so loudly. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #11
He knows well how to campaign - while we, his supporters, get impatient, closeupready Feb 2016 #18
Agreed. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #30
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #9
Truth bomb... Incoming!! AzDar Feb 2016 #10
Tell it like it is Bernie! libtodeath Feb 2016 #12
It's so true. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #13
we're still dealing with the fallout. every homeless family -- that's fallout. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #15
Hillary was not an elected official in 1996. He's quite livetohike Feb 2016 #14
as if she didn't push her husband's Welfare Reform Act tk2kewl Feb 2016 #16
quote from the book of Hillary... tk2kewl Feb 2016 #17
she whipped votes and owns that. so sorry! nashville_brook Feb 2016 #23
He can't lie, Bernie=Jesus shenmue Feb 2016 #25
I've been waiting for this. I hope it's not too late. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #19
You mean the law that Bernie voted FOR??? nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #20
Sanders voted against Welfare Reform TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #21
nice try. NEXT! nashville_brook Feb 2016 #22
What? Do you care to cite proof of that? beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #38
An important contrast. Orsino Feb 2016 #24
Not really. shenmue Feb 2016 #27
they will be judged by their works. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #28
Really. Orsino Feb 2016 #40
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #26
I hope he does try to trot out that lame attack in the next debate. oasis Feb 2016 #29
So many people hurt by this mountain grammy Feb 2016 #31
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #33
Yes, it's about time zentrum Feb 2016 #34
Welfare reform .... Not a Fan Feb 2016 #35
she was quite desperate to get back in the game and whipped votes -- nice try. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #36
+1,000,000. winter is coming Feb 2016 #37
That's go-along-to-get-along for you. Orsino Feb 2016 #39
+++* KNR for truth. n/t DirkGently Feb 2016 #41
kick! nt PonyUp Feb 2016 #42

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. YES!!!!!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:53 PM
Feb 2016

That thread this morning about Kasich and the Clintons collaborating on Welfare Reform is the background for this.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
2. the dogwhistle has always been: "those lazy minorities"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:59 PM
Feb 2016

that's why crustaceans like Kasich will team-up with Clinton on this.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. I'm happy that he is working to hold her accountable.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

Most South Carolinians likely had no memory of that debacle.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
5. and if Trump wins the script will be "oh you terrible Sanders supporters"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

didn't GOTV. when in reality all the cards have been stacked for Trump and Clinton.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. He knows well how to campaign - while we, his supporters, get impatient,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:54 PM
Feb 2016

his timing turns out to be perfect.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
15. we're still dealing with the fallout. every homeless family -- that's fallout.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

child poverty skyrocketing...it's just unconscionable.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
17. quote from the book of Hillary...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

In her 2003 book, Hillary Clinton wrote that:

“It was a critical first step to reforming our nation’s welfare system. I agreed that he should sign it and worked hard to round up votes for its passage — though he and the legislation were roundly criticized by some liberals, advocacy groups for immigrants and most people who worked with the welfare system.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280125452

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
19. I've been waiting for this. I hope it's not too late.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:03 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie's been so soft & forgiving for so long, regarding Hillary's abysmal record
re: PoC that it's been infuriating at times; now he's telling the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth about her & Bill's record.

I say it's about time.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
40. Really.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

This is the planet where those things happened.

Clinton can't tout her experience without owning her actions. Or failures to act.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
34. Yes, it's about time
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

..he did this. Have been waiting for this. Not as a negative attack but as a real piece of connecting the dots. It's education.

He needs to do the same with the Prison Reform thing. He needs to point out more what NAFTA did to working people.

It's alway been nonsensical to me that AA's support the Clintons, with this history of harmful impact on the Black family.

Not a Fan

(98 posts)
35. Welfare reform ....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

... was one of the most damaging things that BILL CLINTON did to this country - and we have to find our way back. That HAS to be undone.

Blaming Hillary because she supported her husband at a time when he was in the political fight of his life for his presidency?

I'm not going to blame her for that.

She had been muzzled from expressing her own opinions after her plan for Single Payer Health Care failed and then Democrats lost the congress. Bill's advisers told her to stop having independent positions on political matters.

Do you imagine Michelle agrees with everything Barack does? No - and you'll never know if she doesn't.

HRC wasn't an independent agent and could not act on any theoretical support.

What she thought DID NOT MATTER from a policy perspective.

I don't really blame Bernie for using it though. I do understand that he's quite desperate - struggling for a way to gain the support of African Americans - which is exactly what this is.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
36. she was quite desperate to get back in the game and whipped votes -- nice try.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:02 PM
Feb 2016

not a matter of what she "thought" -- it's a matter of what policy she was marketing.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. That's go-along-to-get-along for you.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:31 AM
Feb 2016

I not only blame her, I'd say she owns a piece of it until she repudiate so-called Welfare Reform and her support for it.

Forever, unless she has a good story for why she might be against it so long after she was for it.

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