NBC News: Sanders appears to be trying to win a good convention speaking slot

[Godhumor]

Big ol' wall of text coming. Thanks NBC!

Sanders' advertising strategy looks more like a path to getting a good convention speaking slot than beating Hillary Clinton for the nomination

Similarly, Bernie Sanders right now is advertising in the Super Tuesday states where he's favored (Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma). The problem with that: When you add those four states with Vermont, they contain 288 delegates up for grabs on Super Tuesday, while the other states (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia) have 571 delegates, including 222 for Texas alone. So that looks like a strategy to maximize delegates to have a good speaking role at a convention, but it doesn't look like a strategy to beat Hillary Clinton. When asked about this yesterday on MTP Daily, Sanders strategist Tad Devine said, "If you wanted to do media campaigns in all of those states, you'd probably have to spend $50 million... Different campaigns have different strategies. Our strategy in the next week is to win as many delegates as we can... We think this nomination process is going to go on for a long time, all of the way through California." But as the Cook Political Report's David Wasserman projects, Clinton might emerge with about a 75-delegate lead over after Sanders in the South Carolina and March 1 contests. And when you add the superdelegates to the total, that means Sanders would need to win 58% of the remaining delegates to break even -- which is almost impossible under a proportional allocation system. "In short, it could very quickly become mathematically implausible for Sanders to come back from a large delegate deficit," Wasserman writes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-are-rubio-sanders-playing-win-n524806

[HooptieWagon]

1. Yes. The nominated candidate gets a prime spot.

That's what Sanders is aiming for.

[virtualobserver]

4. They imagine that TV ads are the only way to win.

Promoters of the Hillary inevitability train never stop.

[corkhead]

17. They have to deliver something for all that ad revenue they receive

[Erose999]

21. Theres a sizable phonebanking operation in GA. Some of the people I call complain of having been

called several times this week. He's also had several rallies, one back in December if I remember right that packed the Fox Theater in ATL and another one at Morehouse earlier this week.

I've not heard any scuttlebutt about a Hillary appearance and I've not been contacted at all by the Hillary campaign. Been registered to vote in Ga since 2000 and I'm on all the mailing lists etc. HRC should be trying to win my vote. But she isn't.

[virtualobserver]

61. and blew away Hillary's 30 point lead....why do her leads dissolve into thin air?

watching her leads fade away...now that's comedy.

[virtualobserver]

65. don't count your cushions before they hatch

all I've seen so far are leads that fade away.

[virtualobserver]

68. Why have I seen multiple national polls in the last week with Bernie in the LEAD?

I remember posts like yours with the touting her 50 point lead in national polls a few months ago.

So go ahead....cling to your and Hillary inevitability.

Bernie keeps rising.

[virtualobserver]

70. you aren't keeping up.

[virtualobserver]

72. if that makes you feel better

[virtualobserver]

81. we will see

[HERVEPA]

79. You know, those emoji thingies really make you look ignorant. And obnoxious.

[HERVEPA]

87. The laughing person on the ground is generally stupid no matter who uses it.

[HERVEPA]

89. So why are you trying to annoy people? Is that your goal on this board?

[Ferd Berfel]

11. WHen Bernie is the Nominee - will M$NBC air the convention?

Or cut away to Heidi

[Nonhlanhla]

45. I'm sure they will broadcast the convention

But meanwhile, here's something for you:

[Herman4747]

19. +1000!

[CorporatistNation]

20. SUper Delegates Do NOT Count Until The Pledged delegates Are DECIDED By The VOTERS!

More fucking propaganda lines by the MSM! This subliminal shit goes on all day long!

[CorporatistNation]

22. MSNBC Mika Brysinski, "Print Reporters Have Transcripts... "

[MaggieD]

24. blah, blah blah - voters don't care

[LondonReign2]

73. People who don't give a shit about ethics don't care

[MaggieD]

75. I give a shit about ethics

But I don't give a shit about baseless innuendo. I've been watching this smear machine on both Clintons for 20 years. Yet they all turn out to be bullshit. Every single time. I'm immune to it at this point, just like most voters.

[Punkingal]

77. Yeah, Monica was bullshit, right?

"I did not have sex with that woman." But he did.

[MaggieD]

82. So what?

Are their other women you blame for their husband's affairs? Or just her?

[Punkingal]

91. I don'r blame her...she was a victim.

But that was one of the things that was called a right wing conspiracy.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

92. Jury results. Keep trying.

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Who cares what Republican talking heads say? It's been 5 days and no transcripts from Republican Joe the intern killer or his sidekick Mika. This video comes from one of the most vile right wing sources out there. Completely inappropriate to continually spam right wing vomit here.

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[JTFrog]

95. Yup, my alert.

I hate right wingers with a passion and don't think DU should be used to promote right wing points of view.

I will keep trying, tho. Everytime I see a right wing source, I will alert it. As the Community Standards suggests:

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[JTFrog]

38. Yea, we know that Republicans hate her.

Personally, I don't really care what Republican Joe the intern murderer or his sidekick Mika have to say about the Democratic party or any of our candidates.

This was posted 4 days ago.... Where's the transcripts Mika?

But hey thanks for yet another right wing contribution to DU.

[pengu]

93. Jury results for this video

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Who cares what Republican talking heads say? It's been 5 days and no transcripts from Republican Joe the intern killer or his sidekick Mika. This video comes from one of the most vile right wing sources out there. Completely inappropriate to continually spam right wing vomit here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:40 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: anything to do with morning joe should be hidden....they have become Trump's lapdogs....and joe and mika are truly disgusting individuals.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #6, but I like #5's response better than mine.

[appal_jack]

94. Can you believe that someone alerted on this clip?

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I was one of the jurors who voted to "Leave" without comment. And the frivolity of the alert convinced me to visit here, post the results, and kick this response that rightfully indicates that it ain't over yet.

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On Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:37 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

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Who cares what Republican talking heads say? It's been 5 days and no transcripts from Republican Joe the intern killer or his sidekick Mika. This video comes from one of the most vile right wing sources out there. Completely inappropriate to continually spam right wing vomit here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:40 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[JTFrog]

97. I can. Right wing sources and right wing points of view are not welcome here.

Read the TOS.

[appal_jack]

99. Get back to me when the TOS excludes corporatist, msm.

I despise Joe & Mika too, but they are very much in the mainstream of present-day television news media. If you'd like to change that, there are more productive means than alerting at DU. You could organize writing campaigns, boycotts of advertisers, support independent media such as Democracy Now, etc.

Or you could just keep hammering that alert button and then whining about juries' reasonable reactions against you. It's all the same to me. I'm here to learn and discuss, and the occasional MSRNC clip does not chap my ass overmuch.

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[JTFrog]

100. Why? I didn't write the TOS and you agreed to it when you signed up.

Just saying....

[berniepdx420]

51. +420

[NurseJackie]

2. And there you have it...

"In short, it could very quickly become mathematically implausible for Sanders to come back from a large delegate deficit,"

It won't be much longer now.

[bkkyosemite]

5. You really enjoy yourself

[Armstead]

10. In a less than admirable way attitude-wise

[workinclasszero]

13. Its all over but the cryin

And the partying for us!

[PoliticAverse]

14. "Its all over but the cryin" - Come on, it's been nearly 8 years, time for the crying to stop. n/t

[NurseJackie]

15. The bitter attacks that many have had to endure (some more than others) ...

... will make Hillary's victory ALL THE MORE SWEET!!

[coyote]

47. Until November rolls around.

It's ok, I will have the handkerchiefs ready for you when President Trump is inaugurated.

[workinclasszero]

62. Are you hoping that happens?

[MoonRiver]

76. What exactly is the point of saying that?

Sounds like you are rooting for Trump.

[bkkyosemite]

49. If something derails your candidate, some action she has taken

that comes out, your attitudes in the HRC group would surely make you hide or perhaps crawl under a rock. It's so petty your celebrating before there's anything to celebrate about. But you guys/gals do it everyday here.

[bkkyosemite]

90. Well that's BS

[GreatGazoo]

59. so says Debbie Wasserman Schultz, again

Meanwhile Sanders is chipping away with the best rated ads of the 2016 campaign:

Here are the top-ranked 2016 presidential campaign ads as determined by Ace Metrix:

Mixed Field

"Social Security," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 550
"Real Change (Revised)," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 532
"Works For Us All," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 523
"Mari," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 519
"We The People," Carson America. Ace Score: 517
"Real Change," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 514
"Working Families," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 512
"Never Quit," Draft Biden. Ace Score: 512
"America: Never Give Up," Kasich for America. Ace Score: 508
"The Bottom 100 Million," Bernie 2016. Ace Score: 504

http://www.campaignlive.com/article/bernie-sanders-effective-political-ads-2016-presidential-race/1379312

[TheLogicalSong]

3. Ah, yes, the updated version of he's just entering to pull Clinton to the left theory. nt

[Skwmom]

6. Her rhetoric not her intentions.

[taught_me_patience]

7. The math is daunting for Sanders

If Clinton can pull a big win in Texas, it's nearly impossible for him to catch up. The fact that he's not really trying in Texas means he knows it's close to over. Bernie HAS to get close in Texas to remain the the race.

[jillan]

8. "Look under your chair" You get a crystal ball and you get a crystal ball and you geta crystal ball

[Waiting For Everyman]

9. They know what they're doing, "concern" duly noted.

Sure, Bernie can't win just like they said Trump can't win. Got it.

[Armstead]

12. I'm glad the media cheerleaders are playing quarterback now

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Yada, yada, yada.

MSM doing what it does best.

[SidDithers]

18. DU rec...

at some point it comes down to simple math.

Thanks for posting.

Sid

[MaggieD]

23. That's what I think as well

He has no path to victory. And once he gets appreciably behind after ST his donations will dry up as well.

[workinclasszero]

25. +1

People are not going to continue to throw good money after bad forever.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. I don't support Sanders, but this is Bull Shit.

If he wins he wins.
If he loses he loses.

But it isn't to get good seats at the convention and a speaking gig.

[MaggieD]

30. It's actually pretty normal in a primary contest

Once you realize the math doesn't add up then you decide how many delegates you can get with the money you have in order to get leverage at the convention.

Longstanding thing. Nothing new here at all.

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. I have come to the conclusion that Sanders believes everything he says.

Believing is not the same as reality. Sanders would not be the first to fight to the end for an idea, even when there is no chance of winning.

I simply hope that a Sanders loss will not turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory where everything we have is sacrificed for his ideas that leaves both of our candidates unelectable.

My opinion only, but if Clinton proves unelectable after this primary, Sanders will be equally unelectable. It has happened before.

Also, no matter what anyone says, Trump, if he is their candidate, will a formidable candidate and it will take everyone working together to beat him.

Comments like that will be easier to Swallow nearer the end of March when there will be no doubt who our nominee will be in anyone's mind.

[MaggieD]

35. I hope he doesn't believe everything he says

That would be scary since his prison reduction plan is mathematically impossible and his single payer proposal is short at least $1 Trillion a year.

[Agnosticsherbet]

37. Sanders is like the Red Queen - "I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast"

Full Quote from Alice Wonderland
"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Alice in Wonderland.

[MaggieD]

39. That's fine for a fairytale - not so great in real life

[Agnosticsherbet]

46. That is why I hope he won't win.

I prefer someone whose feet are planted firmly in reality.

[workinclasszero]

96. "I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast"

Great quote that totally fits the situation

[freebrew]

41. Yeppers! More of No, we can't....

I'm really NOT looking forward to 4 years of HRC.

* and then Obama was bad enough.
But then, I guess you're in the 1% and don't really care what happens to the rest of us or the nation as a whole.

Things must be pretty peachy for you, eh?

Personally, I'm really tired of Rs and R-lites running this country.

I really hope you're wrong about the end.
It won't stop me from supporting democracy and Bernie.

Your math ability needs work.

[Agnosticsherbet]

48. Obama ran a real revolution, that decided to sit out 2010 and 2014 election.

He will go down in history as one of the better Presidents.

Voters failed to deliver him a Congress.

One hopes today's voters will not be so short sighted. I won't hold my breath while I vote in 2018 and 2022.

[arcane1]

28. Imagine that. NBC television network thinks television is all there is.

[draa]

29. Ok, here you go.

Why is Bernie putting resources into northern, not southern states? Cuz it's smart delegate strategy

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/24/1489582/-Why-is-Bernie-putting-resources-into-northern-not-southern-states-Cuz-It-s-smart-delegate-strategy

[Go Vols]

40. ty

[6chars]

31. there is a strategy for him.

"When you add the superdelegates to the total, that means Sanders would need to win 58% of the remaining delegates to break even -- which is almost impossible under a proportional allocation system. In short, it could very quickly become mathematically implausible for Sanders..."

OK, his strategy is to get more of the elected delegates -- with that goal, then he might need 51% or so of the remaining delegates not 58% -- and then have a tussle over superdelegates being the deciding factor.

[MaggieD]

44. There won't be a tussle over super delegates

She's going to blow him out in several upcoming states. He will not blow her out anywhere except VT with few delegates. If she is ahead by one delegate at the end the supers will stay with her. And she will be.

It's really that simple.

[bkkyosemite]

52. All those states your not thinking of til the end are pro Bernie and I'm in one of them!

[MaggieD]

53. Which will he win in a blow out to make up for ST?

I guess that is why I don't see his math working.

[6chars]

57. if your scenario comes to pass, that is correct

i am not speculating on whether his strategy will be successful, only saying that if he still wants to try to win it, he can focus on first winning the majority of pledged delegates and then second getting superdelegates to change their minds, rather than trying to overcome all the superdelegates with a supermajority of pledged delegates. odds makers don't seem to think this is likely to work though.

[SheenaR]

60. She won't even be up by 100 delegates after ST

And he cruises from 3/22 for a month

It's that simple. The Supers will come into play

[Thinkingabout]

32. It takes a lot of money to run for president, it will be a reality shortly.

[unc70]

34. Overly simplistic (AKA BS)

Remember the delegates are awarded proportionally by states and within states. The losing candidate will most often receive 40+% of a state's delegates. The next two weeks are a tough stretch for Sanders, but he will probably be down fewer than 80 delegates entering a period favorable to him. His task is not easy, but quite possible.

[Attorney in Texas]

36. Let me summarize: TV stations say "candidate not paying enough to TV stations for TV ads"

[Go Vols]

42. is what I got out of it

[JI7]

43. if he doesn't win the nomination he certainly deserves a good speaking slot

[Dem2]

50. aww geez

This is silly, get off his back he's trying to win - he's not superhuman.

[hoosierlib]

54. Hillary is running low on cash and if she doesn't kill Bernie soon...she's in trouble...

[Gothmog]

55. Based on current results, I have not issue with Sanders getting a good speaking slot at convention

Like many Clinton supporters, I like Sanders and I think that he should be given a chance to speak at the DNC convention at a good time slot. I have no doubt that when Sanders bowes out of the primary contest, he will be offered a good time slot which I think is appropriate

[MaggieD]

56. I have a problem with it if he uses it to continue to attack the party

[NurseJackie]

83. This was a concern of mine as well.

And I'll just leave it at that.

[sadoldgirl]

58. What corporation owns NBC? How many

large corporations would support Bernie?

Always the old rule applies:"Follow the money!"

If people still go by what the M$M say, then

they will get fooled just as intended.

[djean111]

80. If Bernie is not the nominee, then I really have no need to see the convention.

Why would I?

[JackRiddler]

84. So NBC is your measure of wisdom?

[rufus dog]

98. I call bullshit

NBC did a story on Sanders? No friggen way.

[Eric J in MN]

101. If Bernie Sanders had an infinite amount of money, then he'd advertise in every state.

Since he doesn't, he has to hope to do well in some states where he doesn't advertise.