2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Bernie is ok with all the anti-LGBT bills being passed in the states
Because he believes in State's Rights?
That is what he said in voting against DOMA - that civil rights are a state's concern.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)rurallib
(62,423 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)I am.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I wonder if all this deep-vetting will make it harder for him to win re-election to his Senate seat. (And I also wonder if he'll run as a Democrat or an Independent?)
In any case, it's encouraging to see that people are starting to pay attention and give the Senator from Vermont a little more critical scrutiny.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Often times people use that term to mean in-depth and thorough - but I take it that since you approvingly responded to an distorted assertion with no proof or evidence you don't mean in-depth and thorough. Presumably you just like people talking negatively about Bernie Sanders.
Bryant
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and not waste time searching for hidden meaning.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Actual scrutiny would allow people to easily refute this nonsense.
lostnfound
(16,184 posts)JackBeck
(12,359 posts)you'd be aware that the OP is being disingenuous.
How about you do some of the leg work, as well, before pontificating?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I am so sick of this debunked meme, one more time, he didn't want the feds to overturn states who passed same sex marriage legislation, here's the transcript:
He voted against DOMA while your candidate supported it and went on a crusade against equality because she thought heterosexual marriage was "sacred".
Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage 2004:
When you find proof that he opposed marriage equality - a link proving he actually said that, get back to me.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)He believes that marriage is a state issue.
If that belief had prevailed, my wedding Saturday never would have happened
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Now if HILLARY had prevailed your marriage Saturday wouldn't have happened.
She was the one who opposed it, remember?
Funny how you left that out and chose to distort Bernie's words instead.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Both later changed to support it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He said that it wasn't the right time, he NEVER opposed equality.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)The poster posted this shit in the LGBT group twice over the last six months. Thank you for refuting it. I'm very tired of fighting the same battle over and over again.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But they just won't stop, and not a word about Hillary's opposition, funny that.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Says a Hillary supporter. You can't be serious. And who is Hillary. We've seen so many sides of her all these years. She doesn't even know who she should be.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Saying it wasn't the right time IS opposing it.
How hard is that to understand?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The supreme court decision tore Vermont in two, legislation would have been defeated.
Once more: Bernie never opposed marriage equality.
Get back to me when you have proof of your claim, until then your smear is just more Fox news style historical revisionism.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Or are you saying he secretly supported it, but was too chicken to come out and say it?
He didn't issue support until 2009.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He said Vermont wasn't ready, that's not the same thing as opposing it.
Post your proof or stop making false claims.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Why do you continue to push incorrect information?
Do you think if you can smear Sanders just a little bit, it will make up for Clinton being an LGBT bigot until 2013? Do you think it will counter her active support for DOMA & DADT?
Sorry to break it do you, but that is just a mind game you are playing with yourself.
dr60omg
(283 posts)togetherforever
(71 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Typical FOX News type nonsense.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Man, the questions get more stupid by the day
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He used states rights as a strategy to try to defeat DOMA -- a regressive bill which was actively supported by Hillary and Bill and Family Values Democrats.
He gave them a possible "out" but they refused to take it.
Don't fucking criticize him for trying to stop an assault on LGBTs and twist it to the opposite of what he was doing.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So tired of the only candidate who actually voted AGAINST DOMA being raked over the coals for his vote.
By supporters of Mrs. 'My marriage is sacred and lgbt people don't deserve the same civil right' Clinton no less.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Especially after seeing her 2004 video where she proclaims marriage is a sacred vow between and man and a woman. I guess gay Hillary supporters need to cling to any lie or slight of hand to justify their support for the likes of her over the person who has been with us all along
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)It's an absolute insult that people keep smearing Bernie's record, and in turn smearing the history of LGBTQ people, simply to win points for their candidate. It's the lowest tactic used by either side in this election, in my opinion.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)after states began individually promoting civil unions and marriage rights. They had to fight the Federal level DOMA by supporting a "state's right" argument.
You can stomp your feet and scream all you want, but it does not change the actual historical facts of the matter.
JackBeck
(12,359 posts)and you damage the history of our movement by spreading such nonsense.
JackBeck
(12,359 posts)Anyone who was actively involved in the decades long fight for marriage equality would know that folks like Evan Wolfson at Freedom to Marry had a state-by-state strategy that they promoted and implemented, which they argued would strengthen our federal case.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's like saying "I believe states should elect their own governors" therefore I agree with every republican governor
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)He didn't give them an out.
His belief fits in well with racists
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What an absurd accusation, he never opposed lgbt rights.
dr60omg
(283 posts)I first became aware of Sanders in the early 1980's and back then he was for equal rights for all Americans and stood up for LGBTQ rights ...
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719
JackBeck
(12,359 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Although at this point a whole bunch of Democrats have voted for an early House version of that bill, like about 60 of them. Like a long list of Hillary's Georgia endorsers. The Senate made it worse and the House has not voted on worse and it looks like their Senate Democrats voted no on the worse version. But it arrived in their chamber with dozens of Moderate Democratic yes votes attached, which is disgusting.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)I apologize for not fitting into the neat "good gay" box that acquiesces to the opinions of Hillary supporters, but I'm starting to think that people only feel our rights matter when it's advantageous to them.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And yes, you are right - non LGBT Sanders supporters are trying to tell mistruths about Sanders support for LGBT rights as a hammer against LGBT Clinton supporters
Fearless
(18,421 posts)It's not our fault is you don't have real answers to Hillary's terrible positions on a variety of issues.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Both are miles better than any GOP candidate.
I will gladly vote for either.
Tired of the LGBT records of both being misrepresented and my rights once again being used as a political football by those that in 2005, like Sanders, wanted us to "wait until the right time" for equality.
Outside of the LGBT community, there was almost no support here on DU, for LGBT equality. And that is the truth.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I'm sure Bernie supporters are out there insulting heterosexual Hillary supporters all the time too. At least that's what they tell us.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Any anti-lgbt bills?
Really?
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Checkmate!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... now look at your man. Now look at me!
Prism
(5,815 posts)Bernie argued states rights on LGBT issues when the federal government was looking to fuck us (DOMA and the FMA) on a federalized level.
C'mon, man. Our history isn't that complicated or distantly in the past. This was a basic refrain and tactic by our own community's leaders during the age of federal anti-LGBT threats.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)If he believed in states rights then, is he a flip-flopper?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Prism
(5,815 posts)Vermont had just gone through a bruising fight over civil unions, and he thought it best to let the issue settle a bit before going back into battle.
Acting as if Sanders was against equality is just a nonsensical smear that doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny.
This is how we treat our long-term allies?
dr60omg
(283 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Trash, ignore, move on.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)You're wrong.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)response but cannot roll back rights granted at a federal level. Sanders was for letting progressive states (like Massachusetts) recognize gay rights when Bill and Hillary were pushing DOMA down everyone's throat, but states do not have rights to un-recognize liberties once the have been acknowledged on a federal level.
It's the 14th amendment, Sister!
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)... same sex relationships.
So yeah, it was a state's rights issue. The right wing pigs were having a freak out and passed an unconstitutional law, trying to do an end around of The 14th Amendment.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Checkmate indeed. DOMA came from the Clinton's. The same guy who couldn't keep it in his pants. Disgusting.
Any way the wind blows.
senz
(11,945 posts)In the 1970s, Bernie called for full gay equality. As a candidate for Vermonts governor, Bernie advocated abolishing all laws on homosexuality.
Bernie has long been a supporter of same-sex marriage. He voted against the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed by Congress in 1996. He is the only presidential candidate in the 2016 race who can say that.
1999, Bernie voted against an amendment that would have prevented same-sex couples in Washington D.C. from adopting children.
Bernie supported Vermont's 2000 civil union law and 2009 law legalizing gay marriage.
In 2011, he called on President Obama to join in supporting marriage equality.
In 2013, he co-sponsored the Uniting Families Act, which would have allowed partners of any legal U.S. citizen or resident to obtain lawful permanent residency. This bill was primarily intended to allow LGBTQ residents and citizens of the United States to bring their partners into America, just as members of opposite sex couples are able to do.
dr60omg
(283 posts)Sanders has always stood up for LGBTQ rights. Are you kidding me?
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
http://www.queerty.com/32-years-before-marriage-equality-bernie-sanders-fought-for-gay-rights-20150719
Why did he say that? Because he was not going to put up with Clintons ridiculous DOMA forcing people into closets ....
http://www.queerty.com/5-times-bernie-sanders-was-championed-our-cause-before-it-was-popular-20160131
He did it for an important reason and that was not to allow people in Vermont to be placed into a closet by the right wing and the DLC ...