I'm Sorry

[angrychair]

There are several ways I could have approached this. I'll try this one first. I haven't done anything wrong but given the passive aggressive response and demeanor on way to many posts you would think I and most others had. Not sure what else I can say.

Trust me, I get it, there are some passive aggressive and outright racist postings, from both groups of supporters, on this site and some others. Some are just frustrated supporters, on both sides, pushing whatever button they need to push to get someone's goat. I get that too. Its getting old quick though.
As someone that was an Obama supporter here in 2007 and 2008, it could be worse.
Sorry, educate yourself if you think the Clinton campaign wasn't trolling in racist dog whistles as hard as they could. They were. That is the reality of it. It is amazing how some here can get worked up over certain things said here in 2016 but also be willing to explain away the 2008 campaign on this site and others as "agressive campaigning".

We can work this out. We, as a group, have common goals. We may have very different perspectives of how to get there but let's not get trapped on issues we already agree. Social issues are not our differences but common ground.

Take your foot off the gas and ease up, we're all in this together.

[mikehiggins]

1. No. No we're not.

There are two candidates in the Democratic primaries.

BOTH now give the same general speech, propose the same general view of what should be done.

One is a liar who has spent a lifetime of spinning from one position to another depending on what the polls say. And the rich individuals and corporations funding that candidates campaign today.

The other has spend a lifetime preaching and arguing for a point of view that has not varied nor been compromised since the Civil Rights movement all the way back then.

The "equivalency" argument is bogus in the extreme. One candidate is consistent and steadfast, if balding. The other is not balding, nor consistent or steadfast.

One proclaims evolution on the issues. The other considers that "flip-flopping."

I will vote for whoever the party nominates, if only to forestall the advance of Godzilla. I will regret that vote, however, and take solace in the idea that I will probably be dead before the final days of the Republic.

[RiverLover]

2. +1

Bravo

I could not have said it better. Thank you.

[nc4bo]

3. Big Fucking +1!!!!!! nt

[Le Taz Hot]

4. +1

[Avalux]

5. Bravo!! + 1 million!!

[VulgarPoet]

6. The populist uprising has been fostered a little too hard.

Especially by the same people that keep trying to tell us "we're all in this together". We really haven't been, this isn't a slight on you, angrychair, but some of us are done ignoring conscience. Some of us are done ignoring integrity. And that's what they ask us to do. Essentially "fuck voting on conscience, fuck voting on principle, fuck voting your morals and get in lockstep behind the pre-ordained" like she's somehow miraculously gonna change into someone with a strong sense of moral integrity the day she takes the oath.

Sure, she's not gonna do us over as badly as the GOP but she still will connive and lie in office just like she's done in every office she's held for the last sixteen years, and they want us to pay for it.

No. We are not "in this together". I wish we were, but that's just not the case.

[liberal_at_heart]

10. some of us just don't have the time left to give Reagan economics time to work.

My husband and son are on disability. My daughter is in college racking up debt, and the Democrats keep caving to cuts to social services during budget deals. I can no longer wait around to see if the Democrats can stave off the Republicans. I think the resounding answer to that is no they can't. In order to protect my family's disability income and my children's future education and job security I feel I have no other choice but to fight the establishment politicians who have pocketed money from corporate lobbyists while at the same time cutting our social services and taking no responsibility in those cuts. I am a pissed off mama bear who feels cornered and will fight for her children.

[angrychair]

11. I've said it poorly i guess

I did say:

"educate yourself if you think the Clinton campaign wasn't trolling in racist dog whistles as hard as they could. They were. That is the reality of it. It is amazing how some here can get worked up over certain things said here in 2016 but also be willing to explain away the 2008 campaign on this site and others as "agressive campaigning".

I am trying to curb the racist bullshit being directed a supporters of Sanders because of a few bad apples. Trying to find common ground. Big picture, as Democrats, I would like to think we do have common goals. Clinton and her supporters have very different ways of going about it.

I think I've made it very clear in my varies OPs how I feel about Clinton and her campaign. She likely will do what Republicans have been trying to do for decades, destroy the Democratic Party. If she manages to win the nomination, she will lose the GE if she isn't indicted first.

I have stated it poorly i guess.

[kstewart33]

18. Your post exemplifies the problem between the Hillary and Bernie groups.

Go vote the way you want to vote. But enough with insulting the Hillary group who, presumably in your passive aggressive way, are "fucking" their integrity, principles, morals and conscience in voting for Clinton.

Enough, already. Everyone understands your position. Just stop it with the passive aggressive cracks because it does nothing good for the Democratic cause in November or for this complete community.

[Segami]

12. Here, here...+1

[Mufaddal]

7. Sadly, I don't think we have common goals.

If getting big money out of politics isn't a day-one agenda item, if you think that healthcare isn't a basic human right but a privilege, if you think that education is a commodity and not a public good, if you think a hawkish foreign policy of support for regime change and apartheid is even marginally acceptable, if you don't support a federal minimum wage of $15/hour, then no: I don't think we have common goals.

Conversely, if you think it's just fine for a candidate to take loads of cash from some of the most reprehensible special interest groups, or for that candidate to serve on the board of a sweatshop-using slave-wage-paying union-busting company like Walmart and then pretend to support workers, and if you are willing to engage in bizarre apologetics and great mental feats to defend a candidate's being on the wrong side of history time and again--and particularly if you think a vote for the Iraq war was just a "mistake" that is no longer relevant today--then I actually wonder whether we are on the same side of humanity, let alone a group with common goals.

[kstewart33]

19. It's wonderful being reduced to a political stereotype. nt

[RobertEarl]

20. Sorry

He/she nailed it. There is no common ground. When the comparison is made between the two it is seen as a great divide.

I would never support electing a person with Hillary's history.

[Juicy_Bellows]

22. ^ + ∞ NT.

[fun n serious]

8. Thank you, I think. nt

[William769]

9. No we can't.

We know where it's all coming from.

I have forgiven in primaries past, but not this time. To many bridges have been burnt.

[angrychair]

13. As I stated above

"Sorry, educate yourself if you think the Clinton campaign wasn't trolling in racist dog whistles as hard as they could. They were. That is the reality of it. It is amazing how some here can get worked up over certain things said here in 2016 but also be willing to explain away the 2008 campaign on this site and others as "aggressive campaigning".

Sorry, your chosen candidate is about to hand the country to a lunatic....if she doesn't get indicted first.

[William769]

14. So much for being sorry woudn't you say?

Once again emptiness.

Have a nice day.

[angrychair]

16. You misunderstood

I am sorry that disagreement is seen as racist or sexist. I'm sorry that a small number, on both sides, have chosen to stake out antagonistically racist, sexist or antisemitic positions.
That being said, I do know what 2008 looked and felt liked. I was there from the beginning in 2007 and again in 2012, both times in Virginia and as a trained Democratic Party poll observer both election years. In 2008 she rain a shockingly racist campaign toward the end, especially for a Democrat and it was a huge factor.
I know that her campaign is a train wreck, from campaign funding to the spector of a possible indictment in her near future hanging over her head. This is a ridiculous situation and if she ends up being the nominee, we will lose.

[Art_from_Ark]

21. And you've certainly helped to burn them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110743731

which you proudly link to your Bernie-bashing website:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5465

[RobertEarl]

15. You are one of the best ac

So many times I see you alone against the mob on threads.

No one here should let the mob's attacks divert them from speaking truths. None of us is perfect and one thing I hold to is never attack any on our side. Of course question trollish behavior, but if one of us makes a mistake just move on.

Having said that I have gotten some heat for a recent post from our side, but when given a chance for discussion, I think understanding was found. By gosh, imagine that?

[angrychair]

17. I appreciate your kind words

I have no intention of backing away from a fight, I just don't want these discussions derailed into a debate on racism or sexism or any other bullshit excuse...'attacking the source, ignore the content' is another one I hate.
I obviously stated my point poorly.

[RobertEarl]

23. That's what people said about my op

I'm sure it wasn't just a knee jerk reaction to SC being a racist state.