CNN: Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters.

[DCBob]

"In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton's favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January."

There goes the Clinton cant beat Trump argument.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll/

[livetohike]

1. She will only get stronger after tonight's results come in. Go Hillary!

Let's get ready for the GE! 😊

[DCBob]

3. Yes, I agree.

Onward and upward!

[kristopher]

100. Favorable view of Clinton 44% Favorable view of Sanders 60%

...But when the former secretary of state faces off with either of the other two top Republicans, things are much tighter and roughly the same as they were in January. Clinton trails against Rubio, with 50% choosing the Florida senator compared to 47% for Clinton, identical to the results in January. Against Cruz, Clinton holds 48% to his 49%, a slight tightening from a 3-point race in January to a 1-point match-up now.

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

<snip>

Sanders holds the most positive favorability rating of any of the top candidates for president: 60% of registered voters view him positively, 33% negatively. He is the only candidate seen favorably by a majority of voters, and one of four who are seen more positively than negatively.

The two front-runners, Clinton and Trump, are seen unfavorably by majorities of voters. Almost 6-in-10 have a negative view of Trump, 59% with 38% favorable, and 53% have a negative view of Clinton, 44% see her positively.

[DCBob]

103. The RW media has been beating her up non-stop 24/7 about her "damn emails".

Its no wonder her numbers are so low. They will go up now that the investigation is coming to a close.

[kristopher]

104. Favorable view of Clinton 44% Favorable view of Sanders 60% (eom)

[Bubzer]

119. She has a 13 deficit. Bernie has a 24 point net possitive... meaning a 37 point difference.

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[kristopher]

121. "Instead" is certainly a poor word choice.

I just posted the information as it was presented in the article. However, I also think the over/under 50% is the most important slice of information in the data since it gives us greater insight into who has a possibility of winning. A candidate with a favorability rating under 50% is generally considered unelectable.

[grossproffit]

2. This will make some sad.

[DCBob]

7. No doubt.

I suspect they are right now feverishly trying to come up with something to convince us why this poll is bogus.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

51. Just a couple posts down thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511378870#post5

[ThePhilosopher04]

4. She can't and wont. Get ready for President Trump ...

If Ole Hill is the nominee.

[PonyUp]

12. I agree. Trump hasn't begun to attack Hilary yet. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

46. You're so right...she's NEVER been vetted by the media or tried in the court of public opinion.

Conversely, Drumpf has been thoroughly investigated, with his myriad shady dealings of the past 30 years laid out for all to see. He has absolutely nothing to fear from public scrutiny or opposition research.

[FSogol]

72. LOL. n/t

[Historic NY]

84. Or Bernie Sanders.....

[DCBob]

17. I know you hope that will happen.

Sorry but your hopes will be dashed come November.

[Progressive dog]

25. Yes she can

[artyteacher]

34. all her baggage is unpacked....

She knows how to deal with all the lies and distortions already.

Trump, like Bernie, has a lot more baggage than most people know.

[PotatoChip]

58. Yup. Here is some more from the OP's article.

But when the former secretary of state faces off with either of the other two top Republicans, things are much tighter and roughly the same as they were in January. Clinton trails against Rubio, with 50% choosing the Florida senator compared to 47% for Clinton, identical to the results in January. Against Cruz, Clinton holds 48% to his 49%, a slight tightening from a 3-point race in January to a 1-point match-up now.

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

[Bubzer]

124. And that's before taking into account popularity deficits.

[Codeine]

79. At this point you guys are pissing into the wind.

I know how it feels to see your candidate flame out in a primary, but Incoherent Yelling (TM) isn't going to help you.

President Hillary Clinton. Get used to it.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

118. Did you happen to catch John Oliver's take on Trump?

This is part of what Hillary will use to counterpunch

[Logical]

5. What a POS misleading post! Bernie is better against all 3! Nice try! Nt

[DCBob]

9. Bernie wont be the nominee.

[Logical]

33. Still, a fucking misleading post from you where bernie does better than hillary. Typical.

[DCBob]

35. Doesn't matter.. I was focusing on who our candidate is going to be.

And our candidate will be Hillary Clinton.

[Logical]

41. Lol, hillary would be proud of your misleading post! Congrats! Nt

[DCBob]

42. I suggest you start your own OP focusing on Bernie's numbers.

That would even things out.

[Logical]

44. And i would not post the fucking post if hillary was doing better! Get it? Nt

[DCBob]

45. No, I don't.

[BreakfastClub]

52. I don't get why you think the OP shouldn't post a poll about Hillary beating Trump? nt

[Logical]

55. Because it leaves out she loses to the other 2 and bernie betters her against all 3

[DCBob]

60. Because it blows away their favorite argument that Hillary can't win in the general.

[livetohike]

11. Except he will be blown out of the race this month.

So no use looking at his comparisons.

[Dawgs]

14. And then Hillary will lose in the GE to a racist billionaire.

All worth it, right?

[JaneyVee]

19. Umm...not according to this poll.

[hack89]

20. So the poll is correct about Bernie but wrong about Hillary?

[Dawgs]

23. Who said anything about Bernie? n/t

[hack89]

27. So Bernie will also lose in the GE?

there are only two choices.

[Dawgs]

28. I have no idea if Bernie will lose in the GE.

I do know that Hillary will.

[hack89]

30. And why are you so certain given the poll results?

besides your dislike of Hillary that is.

[Dawgs]

32. My dislike of Hillary has nothing to do with it.

I will put together a list of reasons (with details) later today and post as a new OP.

And, not one of those reasons will have anything to do with polls.

[artyteacher]

36. Bernie hasn't vetted yet by most people. eom

[merrily]

105. That this Miss Manners alert, falsely claiming personal attack, was this close is

astounding. It's a comment about a post, not a person. It's one brief sentence, with a single adjective. In GD: P, no less. It did not get hidden, but it should never have been this close.

Please grow up and stop this alert stalking. I want to be a good DU citizen, but I come to DU to read and post, not to jury. Don't make me spend my time on faux outrage like "almost" a personal attack


Over the top reaction, closer to a personal attack than appropriate. Please hide this post.

Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This statement was pulled from the article itself. If you have a problem with that, attack CNN, nothe the poster.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a great example of a wasted alert. The alerter should be sanctioned; this is not an attack post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not misleading at all, you want a post that talks Sanders numbers get off your ass and do it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Telling the truth is not a "personal attack", even if it's a truth some people here don't want to hear.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is over the top but harmless. I always go for leaving posts because why censor people if the posts are harmless. The poster is not reacting to the person writing the post but to the post itself. It isn't a personal attack. It is an attack on an idea. Let it pass. Borderline, but when in doubt don't censor people.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Closer to a personal attack than appropriate?" Alerter, are you kidding?

[Logical]

120. Thank you jury! Nt

[JaneyVee]

6. Trump is going dooooown!

[Logical]

8. How telling you left out this little section....

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

[DCBob]

10. Good for Bernie.

He can add that to his scrapbook.

[livetohike]

13. LOL. Build Up his resume for those speaking engagements

😄

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. " I coulda been a contender."

[Dawgs]

26. Or we can use it to point out the stupidity of nominating Hillary when she loses to Trump. n/t

[DCBob]

29. I could say just the opposite..

but I chose not to insult the people supporting Bernie.

[Surya Gayatri]

47. Good one! LOL!

[JaneyVee]

15. Hey great news as well...

Only thing is he hasnt had a single attack ad run against him. And I think we know how that will go down. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/berned-up

[Old Codger]

109. rare one that

Is not on my ignore list, keep you around for entertainment value..but you are getting pretty boring.

Just for giggles why don't you describe the rut you are stuck in?

[JaneyVee]

114. I am not here to serve you. Do what ya gotta do.

[Old Codger]

116. I do that

Sometimes laugh, sometimes giggle , sometimes wonder how anyone can be that way ... but you always amuse me....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Bookmarked.

Donald Trump is not ten feet tall. That being said he is a formidable foe because he will go where no other candidate will go. Hell, he will go where no other decent human being will go. Secretary Clinton is going to be trashed every single day by him. The upside is she is used to it!

I also believe a lot of mainstream Republicans will sit on their hands or oppose him. Two of the elections with the most crossover voting were 1964 and 1972. Readers can make their own inferences. Despite the hyperventilation of the press and partisans on both sides there is a majority of Americans vested in our flawed status quo.

[DCBob]

21. Its going to get ugly.

I was discussing this with my wife last night and pretending to be Trump in a debate with Hillary. I came up with some duzys! Her team is going to need to get ready for the vile trash that is going to come out of this man's mouth.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. No doubt...

He reminds me of Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog.

[DCBob]

31. LOL!

Perfect!

[Surya Gayatri]

49. Her prep team had better train her to debate from inside a hazmat suit...LOL!

Toxic, virulent, noxious, septic--a Drumpfing can be hazardous to your health.

Be sure to get all of your innoculations up to date, Hill! Don't want you falling ill from being in close proximity.

Even his breath is probably hazardous.

[NurseJackie]

24. Yes ... it's past time for that canard to be put to bed.

[hobbit709]

97. Which canard? The one lying about Bernie?

[Orsino]

37. I have never believed that either of our Democrats would lose to any Republican. n/t

[DCBob]

38. Totally agree.

I think any good Democrat would likely win in a general election.

[SidDithers]

39. Clinton will mop the floor with Trump...

Sid

[DCBob]

40. Nice statement.

[Koinos]

50. Quite true.

[WDIM]

56. She will lose to Rubio. nt

Maybe we live in different realities.

[oasis]

43. Great numbers to build on.

[Persondem]

48. Heck yeah!! Dump the Trump. Go Hillary. K & R nt

[BreakfastClub]

53. I am going to thoroughly enjoy watching Hillary mop the floor with Donald Dump. nt

[WDIM]

54. Sanders is 55% to 43% against trump. Same CNN poll.

Clinton is struggling against the other Republicans and Sanders is mopping the floor with everyone of them.

Sanders went from unknown to beating every Republican in the race. His rise is amazing. His message is real. He is the candidate to beat Trump. He has the message that will blow the neocons and the cons out of the water and swing the country towards progress and the left. It is time we need people aligning behind him down ticket. Get away from the entrenchment and bring in new progressive Democrats could have a big swing getting on the Sanders bus.

[DCBob]

57. Your numbers are correct.. but Bernie wont be our nominee.

He has done well.. better than I had ever imagined but his appeal simply isn't broad enough to win across the country.

[WDIM]

74. He is polling at 55% that is appeal that is winning across the country nt.

[DCBob]

95. That wont do him any good today or in most of the remaining primaries.

Hillary is going to be our nominee... I'm quite certain of that.

[Codeine]

85. So get him nominated.

Get the Revolutionary Youth Brigade to the damned polling places and win some delegates. Then Sanders becomes President. At the moment he's getting pasted. It's the job of his supporters to get him nominated, and you're failing. I've been there.

[mcar]

59. K&R

[Trust Buster]

61. In addition, Hillary is not as risky a nominee.

The only thing that would stand between a Bernie Sanders nomination and certain defeat would be a San Bernadino-like attack. The center would run Right. Hillary is not vulnerable in this area like Sanders is, even according to Bernie supporters.

[Herman4747]

62. LET'S DESTROY THIS WEAK ARGUMENT STRAIGHT UP:

52% to 44% is NOT that big of a lead!!!

In 1988, Mike Dukakis (by the way, a most decent guy) led Bush-the-First by 16 percentage points. By August, his lead was down to 7 percentage points. He wound up losing by 7 percentage points, the presidential debates having not gone well for him.

Some people here evidently think "Look, The Donald is under 50% in these polls, that's a tremendously 'big deal'!" No, what is ALARMING is that he's only down 8 percentage points against her.

Yes, The Donald is down 8 percentage points against Hillary. What DCBob CHOSE NOT TO MENTION is that the same poll (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/cnn-23952) that records this, has BERNIE UP BY 12 percentage points.

We do not know all that will happen between now & November (including such things as whether Hillary will finally decide to stop hiding what she told Goldman Sachs). But IT IS FAR SAFER TO GO WITH THE CANDIDATE (Bernie!) NOW HAVING THE BIGGER LEAD OVER TRUMP. It is far safer to go with the candidate not having a 54% disapproval rating.

[DCBob]

64. From the article: "In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests"

That's why I focused on Hillary and not Bernie.

[Loudestlib]

63. When she was first doing better Hillary supporters were like "she's the most electable."

When Bernie was doing better they said "these polls don't matter." Now that she's beating Trump they say "see she's the most electable. The polls say so."

They just gloss over the fact that Bernie does even better than her.

Vote for Sanders! He's the most consistently electable democratic candidate we have.

[DCBob]

66. We dont really know at this point who is most electable.

GE polls are mostly worthless until the final candidates are vetted and attacked by both sides.

The significance of this post is to counter the argument many Bernie supporters have been using for months that the polls indicate Hillary cant win in November. This poll clearly refutes that claim.

[Loudestlib]

68. Wait. So the polls don't matter unless they refute a claim you don't agree with? Got it.

[DCBob]

69. They matter when the original claim being refuted is also based on polls.

Get it?

[Loudestlib]

73. Ohhh I get it. I totally understand hypocrisy. I just didn't expect to see so much of it here. n/t

[DCBob]

89. You clearly dont get it.

[Logical]

80. Get it you posted a totally misleading headline? Bernie kicks her ass! Nt

[Herman4747]

71. Strawman argument.

First, let's deal with this:

"many Bernie supporters have been using for months that the polls indicate Hillary cant win in November"

Okay, given that there are "many" -- okay, do tell us how many can you name. As many as say, five?

If I am permitted to speak on behalf of the Bernie supporters thinking deeply on the matter, the primary argument among the Bernie supporters is not that Hillary would necessarily lose to The Donald, but that the likelihood of her losing is UNACCEPTABLY HIGH, given the consequences of such a defeat, and given that there is presently available a Democratic candidate with a better chance of victory.

[Loudestlib]

76. Ummm

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

This argument was advanced by Hillary supports. So, no this is not a straw man argument. n/t

[DCBob]

88. Polls aside I believe Bernie is by far the riskier candidate.

Mainly that he has never been fully vetted. There is no doubt the GOP will dig up all sorts of crap and beat him over the head non-stop 24x7. Also Bernie does not connect with black voters and we absolutely need them to show up in November to win.

[Herman4747]

98. Another strange argument.

DCBob writes: "Mainly that he has never been fully vetted. There is no doubt the GOP will dig up all sorts of crap and beat him over the head non-stop 24x7."

How "fully vetted" was Barack Obama in 2008??? Having served notably longer in Congress before his presidential run, Bernie is more "vetted" than Obama was, right???
_____________________________________________
DCBob writes: "Bernie does not connect with black voters and we absolutely need them to show up in November to win."


Connection with Black voters is not a "yes/no" proposition, but a question of degree. Black voters thus far have arguably felt a greater degree of connection to Hillary -- this does NOT mean they feel no degree of connection toward Bernie.

For the sake of argument, let us consider a hypothetical race between Hillary and Martin Luther King, Jr., with Hillary only getting 14% of the black voters. Does this mean that Hillary does not connect to black folks?

Finally, let me add that the more blacks get to know about Hillary, I daresay the less they will like her. For example, Blacks have a history of being strongly pro-union; at least some of the prominent blacks in the Civil Rights movement were also labor leaders. Hillary did absolutely nothing while working for WalMart for six years to make that company more amenable to unionization.

[DCBob]

99. Running for political office in Vermont does not prepare one for running for President..

Bernie is simply not ready for primetime.

[Herman4747]

106. Your arguments are truly getting absurd.

Were you making the same argument about Governor Howard Dean in 2004? (Who, by the way, I voted against in the Democratic Primary, but not because I thought he was inadequately "vetted&quot .

So, according to you, any Congressperson living in Vermont who wants to become president needs to move out of the state first. There's this weird, DCBob rule: "NO PRESIDENTS FROM VERMONT!!"

Ridiculous.

[DCBob]

110. Bernie is no Howard Dean.. not even close.

I was a Deniac back then. I do think Howard's limited campaigning experience hurt his chances.

[Old Codger]

67. LOL

Cherry pick much there..No better than the candidate you back....

[PonyUp]

83. They learn from their leader. n/t

[riversedge]

70. CONGRATS TO HILLARY AND HER TEAM

[Logical]

78. Lol, bernie did much better than hillary! Read the other OP!

[Codeine]

86. Then get his ass nominated!

Win some delegates and we can have President Sanders.

[Logical]

87. Ahh, how cute, temper temper!

[Codeine]

91. Not at all.

I'm just pointing out that the path to the GE involves winning the primary. Your guy isn't doing too hot in that area.

Fix it and you have President Sanders. Get on the ball and win some delegates.

[Logical]

94. If bernie sticks in it to the convention i will be happy, needs to keep hillary left. Nt

[SCantiGOP]

81. K&R

[SCantiGOP]

81. K&R

[WillParkinson]

75. The fact that Trump can garner 44% is terrifying...

Especially since just because they're registered voters don't necessarily mean they're going to actually vote.

[angrychair]

77. HOLD THE PHONE

what happened to the meme that we are still in the nomination process and that general election polling doesn't matter right now?

FFS, you people really are Clinton supporters. You happily morph to whatever situation you need and forget any past position you have had.
Lets not forget the little gem that both Clinton and tRump are under federal criminal investigation right now.

Only one Democratic Party presidential candidate is not under investigation for any federal crimes. I would offer that that he is the better candidate, if for no other reason than that.

[Armstead]

90. YOU FORGOT SOMETHING

Sanders -- who enjoys the most positive favorable rating of any presidential candidate in the field, according to the poll -- tops all three Republicans by wide margins: 57% to 40% against Cruz, 55% to 43% against Trump, and 53% to 45% against Rubio. Sanders fares better than Clinton in each match-up among men, younger voters and independents.

[DCBob]

92. Not relevant.

I was focusing on who our likely nominee is going to be.

[Armstead]

93. Your headline was totally misleading. Part of the Big Narrative to demoralize Sanders supporters

Had you been more intellectually honest, your headline would read: Both Democrats Top Trump

[DCBob]

96. Not at all... the big headline is "Hillary leads Trump" since that is the likely matchup in Nov.

Bernie doing well is a secondary story of less importance at this point in time.

[Armstead]

102. Irrelevant to those who just think Sanders supporters are a pesky little clique of malcontents

Let's see how irrelevant it is in November...and beyond. That attitude is not helpful towards getting support for Clinton in November

I think you'll find that is is not a matter of "less importance"

[DCBob]

107. That's not how I feel at all.

Bernie and his supporters represent a major movement in the party that is not going away. He will no doubt play a big part in defining the party's message at the convention and also how this party is going to have to evolve.. but he wont be the Democratic nominee for President.

[Armstead]

111. He is still running for it

It is still a primary campaign. And until Bernie throws in the towel (if he does) posting things that deny that he also shows well in the same poll is disrespecting us.

I know it's a two way street, but it is a hard fought campaign. And there are a lot of fences that are going to have to be mended in the General AND BEYOND

[DCBob]

113. I think for all intents and purposes he has already "thrown in the towel".

I suspect he sticks around until the convention but I don't think he's trying to win the nomination now. He sees the numbers and they are just too overwhelming. I think he is just trying to win some states and enough delegates to give him significant influence at the convention.

[Armstead]

123. Neither of us can read his mind

He's usually very straightforward to a degree that is unusual in politics, and I suspect if he decides he can't win, he'll say so. And if he stays in beyond that to make a point or whatever, he'll say that too.

If people had listened to the conventional wisdom, he would have never entered the race, and no one would have backed him.

But until -- if -- he throws in the towel, though, the process should be respected.

[getagrip_already]

101. Repeat after me...

National polls this far out are meaningless......

There, it was easy. Now take a deep breath and CHILLAX!

The poll means nothing. Nothing except profits for media outlets. Believe it or not, a lot of people still aren't paying attention outside their own primary. And the majority of BOTH parties aren't even going to vote in the primaries.

So stick a sock in it. The polls are worthless.

[GoldenMean]

108. What difference does it make!

Drumpf and Clinton's sittin' in a tree

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422156/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-relationship

[MariaThinks]

112. Frankly, this is before people know trump as a candidate and not as a celebrity

[Johnny2X2X]

115. Excellent

Love me some Sanders, but after tonight I expect full support for Clinton from all of DU in her effort to win the Presidency and continue the progress Obama has made while preventing a President Drumpf from plunging our country into totalitarianism and fascism.

[stonecutter357]

117. K&R!