I heard that Bernie and Hillary voted the same way 99.99% of the time.

[thereismore]

(OK, it was a different number. Never mind that) Woohoo, they are almost the same! Let's settle now.

It's just too bad that one of the votes on which they parted ways was the Iraq War Resolution.

I will never forget that she gave Bush the OK to start killing innocent people. She is the extended arm of that war criminal Kissinger with whom she spends her vacations. Never, never, never, will I vote for her. Ever.

[yourpaljoey]

1. And this is why Trump will slaughter her

Sanders supporters want the anti-Hillary.
Bernie has opened there eyes to what is possible.

I do not know what she can do to win those votes.
I am guessing it might be too late... that dies has been cast.

[thereismore]

2. Bernie might come out strongly in her favor at the convention, but it wouldn't work for me. nt

[emulatorloo]

5. Trump will never be President. For the same reason Palin isn't Vice President.

Dems, moderate Republicans and sane independents.

[brush]

11. Trump won't slaughter anybody with his KKK supporters

Get real. Even republicans are saying they will vote for Clinton if he wins the repug nomination.

[Buddyblazon]

37. I've yet to ever hear...

a republican say they would ever vote for Hillary. In fact, just the opposite. I constantly hear republicans say they could never in a million years and being held at gun point, cast their vote for Hillary.

Now in the past month I've heard no less than a dozen conservatives tell me they would vote for Sanders over Trump...a revelation that I harken back to Reagan Democrats...and coined Sanders Republicans.

But I have never heard a republican say they could vote for Hillary under any circumstances. They hate her and have for two decades. That hate is engrained. It's not likely going to change.

[brush]

38. No less than Christie Todd Whitman, former NJ Republican governor just annouced that . . .

she would vote for Hillary over Trump.

[Faux pas]

3. I knew I'd never vote

for her since 2008.

[emulatorloo]

4. It is 93% actually

You should check into the percentages of overlap between Bernie's votes and Cruz/Rubio voting records sometime. Can guarantee you they aren't even close.

[thereismore]

12. Haha, really? So not the point! Logic. Use it. nt

[winter is coming]

25. i hear we share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees.

Small percentages can make large differences.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

28. out of the park...

...

[thereismore]

29. Boom. Thread winner. nt

[Kip Humphrey]

30. I call DUzy!

[NCTraveler]

6. I truly hope this lifts weight off your shoulders.

Clinton is going to crush Trump. I hope you reconsider over time but I do understand your position. I completely disagree with the thought process but it is yours, not mine. It is up to Clinton and her supporters to try to earn your vote in the general.

Happy Super Tuesday.

[PADemD]

9. Earn our vote?

Does that mean the Clinton supporters will empty their ignore list?

[NCTraveler]

10. I have no one on ignore. Nt

[2pooped2pop]

7. And sometimes some vote

For something when they know it can't pass to make themselves look better. (Also against something that will pass anyway, for the same reason)

We know, between the two of them, which one would cast this type of manipulation vote and which one votes for the people.

[randome]

8. 29 Democratic Senators (incl. John Kerry) and 82 Democratic Representatives voted for it, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

It was a political vote because everyone knew it was going to pass. Politicians become sensitive to being on the losing side of a vote, especially when it's about our Democratic 'weakness' regarding defense and especially when there was nothing to be gained by being on the losing side.

It's nothing to be in favor of, it's just the way things are in Washington.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[thereismore]

13. So not relevant. Now I have a choice. Politicians casting "political" votes like this can go fuck

themselves.

[randome]

15. Do you think Hillary Clinton (or any Democrat, for that matter) would have voluntarily invaded Iraq?

Do you think she or John Kerry or any of the other Democrats in Congress who voted for the resolution would have done what Bush, Jr. did? Lie, fake evidence, and use 9/11 to scare us into compliance?

My answer is emphatically no. Which is why the parties are not the same and there is real value in voting for whomever our nominee is.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[thereismore]

17. I think Kerry would not have. I think Hillary would have. nt

[thereismore]

18. I have one word for you: Libya. She has a record. nt

[randome]

24. Much of the international community wanted us to intervene.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0

In the throes of the Arab Spring, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi was facing a furious revolt by Libyans determined to end his quixotic 42-year rule. The dictator's forces were approaching Benghanzi, the crucible of the rebellion, and threatening a blood bath. France and Britain were urging the United States to join them in a military campaign to halt Colonel Qaddafi's troops, and now the Arab League, too, was calling for action.

It was a very complex and violent situation but if you're reading into it that it was nothing but 'adventurism' on Clinton's part, I think you are selectively seeing what you want.

Maybe it wasn't handled well, maybe it made ISIS stronger, all good points, but, again, the international community was practically begging us to intervene. It is not as simple as Clinton simply deciding one morning she wanted to kill some people, or to bully then.

Even this NYT article, critical of her, states that much.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[thereismore]

33. There is a discipline in Bible studies called apologetics. You'd be good at that. nt

[hedda_foil]

26. Randomize, you've been here for 15 years. Surely you remember how furious we all were about this.

We were devastated when Hillary voted for the IWR. Virtually everyone here had expected her to vote No. Most of us were still big Clinton supporters back then. We've learned a lot in the interim.

Remember Howard Dean's run in '04? That started with his critique of Kerry and the rest who voted to "trust" babybush.

We know it was a political vote, but the majority of us disagree with that decision even more today than we did then

[randome]

34. I actually didn't pay much attention to the intricacies of politics back then.

Just the broad outlines. Many things intervened in my life since then to make me more aware. I was especially tuned into Obama's election and going forward from that.

Okay, so an appropriate amount of criticism was leveled at Clinton and Kerry and all the others for their votes. I still don't in any way, shape or form think she would unilaterally invade another country simply to project American power or for any similarly stupid reason as Bush, Jr. had to take us to war.

She is nothing like Bush, Jr., IMO, and the Democratic party is not the same as the Republican party. The possibility of another unneeded war on the scale of Iraq is very low on my list of concerns.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[hedda_foil]

36. Thanks for the clarification, Randome. :>)

[Dem2]

14. I'm getting good at this

I read the first words of the title and said to myself "this post must be about the IWR."

[thereismore]

16. Yeah. You know, it was in a country far, far away, but the blood that was spilled into that sand

is not less real to me.

[Dem2]

19. Well thanks for the logical fallacy

Not really into the snark, just thought I'd let you know that it's becoming predictable around here - it's single issue politics when one dislikes a candidate and many issues when one defends their chosen candidate.

[thereismore]

20. You think that is my single issue?

Surely you're joking!

[Dem2]

21. Just responding to what you posted

Its good that you are running away from it.

[LexVegas]

22. How many innocent people are killed by gun violence in the US? nt

[WDIM]

32. Yet the US gov pumps billions of dollars into

gun and ammo industry every year.

We have a gun problem in this world and what does Clinton as SOS do? Approves more gun shipments to brutal killers around the world.

[JTFrog]

23. These threads are genius.

Pure genius.

[WDIM]

27. I will never forgive all the Democrats that rolled over

and allowed Bush and PNAC to have their never ending war of aggression and greed.

[cleopotrick]

31. Unfortunately the times their voting records or positions diverge...

usually spells doom for America and abroad:

• Iraq
• Patriot Act
• Fracking
• Welfare reform
• DOMA
• 94 Crime bill
• 96 telecommunications act

etc.

[Maedhros]

35. If the Democratic Party wants my vote for the Presidency,

they will nominate a liberal candidate with integrity.