2016 Postmortem
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Let's see what the delegate count is after this evening. Voter numerical wins are pleasant rah, rah, rah for both sides, but the DELEGATE count is what is important. Hence, "SuperTuesday" may not be so super for either candidate.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,870 posts)Do you believe all of the polls are that wrong, and that Sanders will close the gap tonight?
elleng
(130,905 posts)How many will be decided today? How many next week? How many in April? May? June?
See THIS post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=334589
California has 546 delegates to the Democratic Convention -- AND WE DO NOT VOTE UNTIL JUNE 7.
Oregon and Washington states have not voted yet either.
Neither has New York.
Giving a win to Hillary so early in the game and based on votes in VERY CONSERVATIVE STATES practically disenfranchises those of us who live in states that don't vote until the end of the primary.
And we are the many.
And we are the most progressive, most liberal states.
California, Florida, Texas and New York are the immigrant states. We are the most populated states.
Texas votes today. (252 delegates)
But . . . .
Florida votes on March 15. (246 delegates)
New York votes on April 19. (291 delegates)
California does not vote until June 7. (546 delegates)
I haven't even mentioned Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, etc.
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/
The conservative states vote first, thus creating the sense of a momentum toward the most conservative candidates.
Today, Hillary Clintonn will win big. Never mind that the Southern states that are among the small states she will win will never, ever yield a majority for her in November. Never mind that the votes of Californians who are excited about Bernie will probably be swept into the sea by the media's declaration of a Hillary momentum suddenly starting after today.
No wonder we can never get anywhere. No wonder our Congress is deadlocked and our society headlocked.
Our primary system is even more rigged than our economy.
It's rigged to nominate conservative candidates who represent rural, sometimes isolated areas in Iowa, New Hampshire and the South and not the majority of Americans who live in states like New York, California, Florida and, yes, Texas.
Our system is rigged to give the people who live in small states a bigger voice in selecting our candidates than is at all fair or reasonable.
Thus far, the states that have voted are small and relatively conservative. Yes. Compared to California???? Yes. Conservative.
We the people of California do not vote until June 7.
There is no momentum for any candidate until we have voted.
I am disgusted that people think that the election in ignorant South Carolina, the state that began the Civil War, the state of slavery and the legacy it has left the entire South has any significance beyond itself in our country. South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina -- haven't voted for a Democrat in more than 20 years. And they won't vote for the Democrat this year.
California has 546 delegates. We count. This game is not over until we have voted.
I am disappointed that Thom Hartmann is joining in on the conservative chorus that would like to decide the nominee before we with our 546 (and if I could but that in large type I would) delegates have had our say.
Please don't fall for the conservative media propaganda that will argue that the contest is over before the big, liberal states vote. That's what has driven our country toward media consolidation (big prize this time is internet neutrality) and big bank consolidation (dangerous for our country) and disenfranchisement of liberals.
Please. Stop this.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Now our primary is designed to create the same problem for our party that the Repubs have: the primary strongly favors the candidate who is much less likely to win in the General.
Even though it's set up that way, we can still resist buying into it.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It's all about the delegate count and the goals each candidate is trying to meet. So far, not so good for Sanders. Tomorrow, it will look a lot worse.
Yes, it is the delegates. They're all that matter.