2016 Postmortem
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Just remember folks..before you start taking your venom out on each other.. you are going to need each other if your candidate of choice gets the nod.. the PUMAS were never about Hillary..but supporters who could not let go of the dream..
The tough thing about running in a party selection.. you have to live with the results.
And the truth is.. if our candidates of choice cannot win the party nod.. there is no way in this green earth they would win the general election.
Hillary will support Bernie if he gets the nod.. and Bernie will support Hillary if she gets the nod.. and Martin will be there to be the best surrogate for either one of them.
Luckily I live in an area.. though red as blood.. our local democrats and liberals support each other to the max.. Maybe because we are such a minority.. we understand how much we need each other..
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)I hope people take your words to heart.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)I think Bernie and Hillary have been good for each other .. they have made each other stronger candidates.. and will be each others biggest supporter..
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)in Democratic voters. Most Hillary supporters in 2008 did as she did. They sucked up their disappointment and fought to get Obama elected. Whether the nominee is Hillary or Bernie, we need to be sure not to let others divide our party. The stakes are too high.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Hubby and I were Obama supporters in 08.. and our son was the Biden precinct captain at our caucus.. and my brother was in for Hillary.. made for a very interesting Thanksgiving.. ROFL..
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)MrTriumph
(1,720 posts)Okay, no more revisionist history. There are too many of us who remember the angry Hillary supporters from '08. They were absolutely Democrats who were furious- rightly or wrongly- about perceived slights to their candidate.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)right here on DU (under another name). I strongly disliked Obama (I like him a lot more now). I engaged in a lot more vitriolic anger than I do now.
And when November rolled around, I sucked it up and voted for Obama. I'm a lifelong Democrat. That ain't never gonna change.
I will never believe PUMA's were true Democrats. We've had to hold our noses and vote far too many times not to know how to do it. That's why I am so glad I have the chance to vote for this remarkable woman again. No clothespins needed!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)And so you have a 1st hand understanding of what Bernie supporters like myself are facing should Hillary get the nomination.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I even understand the anger (although some of the nastiness on both sides is right over the top - just as it was in 2008).
When Bernie supporters say the Democratic Party hasn't provided a strong platform for the further-left members of the party, I agree with them. I am a moderate, so it's never affected me too much, but that doesn't mean I can't see the other side. The strongest arguments Bernie supporters make are about policy (although I'm not sure how enactable some of Bernie's policies are, I appreciate the sentiment behind them and I think some DUers have even more well thought out ideas than he does when it comes to liberalism.) The weakest arguments Bernie supporters make is saying things like Hillary is the same as Trump.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)if people could just be civil with each other.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Thanks for this.
I find it fascinating to study how the lack of party unity has impacted previous presidential elections. I suspect that most people would be surprised to learn the true nature of the disloyalty dynamic. Most often, it has been the establishment that has been disloyal to the party's nominee -- as they are most loyal to the establishment in general.
Important topic for our consideration.