2016 Postmortem
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"Regardless of how well Bernie does today, the media will say Hillary is now the Democratic candidate. Baloney. The "momentum" theory of politics is based on momentum stories the media itself generates. Dont succumb to the momentum game. Regardless of what happens today, this race is still very much alive, for at least 3 reasons:
1. In the next few months the primary map starts tilting in Bernies favor: In later March: Maine, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Arizona, Washington state, and Hawaii. In April: Wisconsin, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. In May: Indiana and Oregon. In June, California, New Jersey, and New Mexico.
2, Small-donor contributions continue to flow in to Bernie's campaign. In February, the campaign raised a whopping $42 million. South Carolinas loss didnt stop the flow: The campaign received $6 million on Monday alone.
3. Bernie's campaign is a movement. Americans know we must get big money out of politics and take back our economy from an incipient oligarchy. Thats why Bernie will take this movement all the way to the Democratic convention in, July 25-28 in Philadelphia (you might make plans to be there, too). "
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)We heard "Sanders is toast" after Clinton barely squeezed and tiny percentage of a victory in Iowa.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)If you analyze the national poll numbers, and subtract out the contribution the South was giving to her national numbers, you see that she is struggling to seal the deal pretty much everywhere else.
If Bernie keeps plugging away, he will start seeing the victories pile up.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)The rotational inertia is strong with that one.
Now where have I seen something like that before?
...Oh yes. Here, I think.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..at the book by Doug Hemwood, called, "Her Turn: Hilary Clinton Targets the Presidency".
It's been a plan of the Billary's since the 90's and her record as his advocate-in-chief and as SOS has been horrifying for the victims: Honduras, Haiti, the spread of Fracking, polluted Mexican waters for big oil, growth of the prison industry, growth of southern poverty do to the way states administered welfare reform.
So I'm with Bernie through the convention and after, for the movement he'll continue.
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)I will vote for Hillary in the general, if it comes to that.
But, I will keep preaching Bernie and E. Warren until I start pushing up daisies!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I'm so angry right now, I don't know what I'll do on election day in November. Probably pull the straight Democratic lever, and go have a stiff drink.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)..what you mean. This is going to be the hardest vote to go through with ever. A drink and a chaser.
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)My plans:
It'll be a chilly day in the Northeast.
I will probably have a bit of a cold.
My polling place is a tiny town hall in a tiny town in a rural part of Northern NY.
I will park in the tiny parking lot out front. Stuff some tissues in my coat pocket and trudge into the town hall. Its a red area of NY and I expect I will be one of the rare Bernie/Hillary supporters.
I will sign my name in the book, and take my ballot. Sniffle a bit. Blow my nose, Ponder why I live in a part of the country that is not my style. (Blame hubbie)
I will fill in the circles with tears in my eyes and cast my vote for (gasp, sniffle, whimper), Hillary.
shove the ballot thru the machine, wait for the confirmation that my "vote" registered.
Then drive the 5 minutes to my home.
And cry. And pray that Hillary wins.
In 4 years, I will campaign for her to be primaried.
That's what I expect I will be doing.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Karma13612
(4,541 posts)you will see I am responding to another Bernie supporter who is also just commenting as to how we will be feeling if we have to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.
I have no intention of giving up until Bernie conceeds.
But, I also realize I will need to vote for Hillary to avoid a republican nightmare in the white house.
Hope that helps clarify for you!!
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..that's come up in our lifetime.
Sending him a little more money tonight.
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)40 or 45 million.
Its nice to be a part of this!!
Response to zentrum (Reply #23)
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seafan
(9,387 posts)She has such a difficult time with the truth.
Over Christmas the Kissingers were among the close group who gathered in Punta Cana, including Barbara Walters, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Charlie Rose. "We have two house rules," says Oscar, laughing. "There can be no conversation of any substance and nothing nice about anyone."
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It was during this vacation (2012) that Hillary Clinton reportedly decided to run for president for the second time.
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When awarding herself the Kissinger seal of approval to bolster her standing as a competent diplomat and government official, Hillary Clinton has not referred to the annual hobnobbing at the de la Renta villa. So when Sanders criticized Clinton for playing the Kissinger card"not my kind of guy," he declaredwhether he realized it or not, he was hitting very close to home.
So, she was pulling in millions for her Wall Street/corporate speeches, knowing full well she was running for president.
But she's still telling us that she "hadn't yet made up her mind" when she took all of that money, so just we little people can just ignore all of that. Right, Secretary Clinton?
By the way, Hillary and Bill also cavorted with their pals, the sugar barons Pepe and Alfy Fanjul in January 2015, at the exclusive resort of Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic.
La Romana.- Former US president, Bill Clinton, who with his wife chose Dominican Republic to spend their familys year-end holidays in the exclusive resort of Punta Cana, on Friday went to the even more exclusive resort of Casa de Campo, where he met with their friends, the sugar barons Pepe and Alfy Fanjul.
Outlet listin.com.do reports that in addition to personal matters, the sugar tycoons discuss the possibility of Hillary Clintons run for the White on the Democratic ballot in the US elections in Nov., 2016.
During at least the last 10 years, the Clintons have hobnobbed with the likes of singer Julio Iglesias, the late Oscar de la Renta and other high-profile personalities.
(Via Dominican Today)
How much money do we suppose she's accepted from the Big Sugar tycoons of Florida? She's in Miami tonight, probably taking even more.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)movies...that's another story.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)My SO bought a TV a while back. It's been hooked up to a Linux machine in the garage for driving a CNC milling machine - best use of it possible
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Never ever nooooooz
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)Yea, we love our movies!!
We do watch TV, but it's really just a few favorites.
We love movies as well.
And we spend a lot of time on the internet.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Never watched, but I do like the rockabilly theme song
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)Among the best things we've watched.
kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)jalan48
(13,841 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Milliesmom
(493 posts)and I'm stuck in my chair until November7th! and that is that!!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)Milliesmom
(493 posts)and when he is no longer here, we will keep on going with the fight
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)I was banned from posting on a Hillary group for telling the TRUTH!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)So was I. They said what I said was very hurtful and I was being a meanie.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"The only way you get change in this country is by mass mobilization, and that's why Sander's campaign is important."
"The heart of Bernie's proposal is a single-payer health plan. Far lower cost. Economic freedom would result."
"So many Americans feel stretched. The typical American family is worse off than in 2000. Two-thirds of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Leads to political divisiveness."
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)there's no need to give up. I'm sure The Clinton Machine and her following are going to say it's ALL OVER and too many people will buy the rhetoric!
Many don't even know that Hillary stayed in the race until JUNE when she first ran against Obama. WHY would he drop out??
So to any younger people here who think it's hopeless, IT IS NOT!
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)they are already pushing that "they" are going to start to force Bernie to drop out if he doesn't do well tonight.
What a load of hogwash.
Who Is "they"???
The campaign decides when they want to stop, NOT some 'nebulous' entity called 'they'!
And I also want to know why it is that the MSM is continuing to feed the whole excitement regarding the GOP multi-candidate fiasco where most of them can never catch enuf delegates to be nominated, and the MSM is NOT saying that some should drop out.
This is ridiculous.
One day for the primary, NATIONWIDE.
As far as campaigning, I don't care. Make it work.
But, this momentum, and inevitability crap is so destructive.
amborin
(16,631 posts)"Bernie's campaign is a movement". And we will continue fighting. Thanks for the OP greymouse.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)We here in CA usually feel kind of left out BUT this year we could add a large number to Bernie's total.
I want him to go all the way to the Convention.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)I listen to the people and the people say feel the Bern!
sgmcenroe
(30 posts)If HRC wins the south, who gives a shit. The Democrats aren't going to win much in the south in the general election. The south is the heartland of backwards Republicanism. It is as red as the red in the rebel flag they adore so much.
scottie10
(101 posts)I live in NC and see this every day. Sometimes I wish I lived somewhere else just to be with people who think like I do. You can't talk to them either; their minds are closed tight. They don't bother to think and vote against their own best interests. Not everyone, I guess (in case there others from NC out there), but most of them.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and it gets worse when things are more complicated than 1+1=2
Logical
(22,457 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)The moment is irrelevant.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R
Impedimentus
(898 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)While he's endorsed Senator Sanders, he also stated that Hillary would be 1,000 times better than any republican and has progressive qualities about her.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Because I'm a democrat first.
Whomever the nominee is, I will vote for that democrat and all downticket democrats before I will sit out an election.
The fact of the matter is, that as Bernie supporters, you and I have more in common than we don't. You love Bernie, so do I! And no matter the outcome, I want more democrats being sworn into elected office come January than phucking republican do-nothing fat-cats.
Stay involved. Stay excited about Bernie. Get more Bernie supporters to caucus/vote/support Bernie.
With your help, the Republican establishment doesn't stand a chance.