2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy hasn't Bernie easily won Massachusetts?
It's In his back yard. Surprising.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Damn geography.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Each state is hugely different from the other. MA in particular is crazily different from the other states just by the diversity of college/influx of those that stay afterward combined with the western part of the state.
yourout
(7,532 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Mrs. Clinton was a U.S. Senator from New York.
A back yard is a back yard is a back yard.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)They like her more.
Simple.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)The demographics and general political lean favor Sanders, and I still think he's gonna squeak out a win (while secretly hoping she can pull it out), but it's gonna be a very minor delegate grab for his campaign.
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VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)another preference.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Massachusetts has a powerful mainstream Democratic Party, it's about 20% people of color, has a lot of gays, has one of the higher average ages, and still has a pretty strong feminist movement. It's not an ideal state for a guy like Bernie, whose base is young white straights.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)The "backyard" argument only works when the state from which the candidate comes has wealth and media power, which creates greater familiarity with the politicians of that state. Vermont media has no power in MA, like it has no power in NH. If Sanders were from Massachusetts, the story would be different.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's been well advertised in the state.
It's a pretty close split, but it looks like HRC just pulled it out by a point or two. It's a good win for her. He'll get something out of it too, just not bragging rights.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm not from up there, so I appreciate the insight.
Bad Thoughts
(2,531 posts)The influence on New England mostly works one way, with Boston media dominating the airwaves and people from MA staffing many campaign offices.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Likely a restaurant or shop located down an empty road in the direction of Boston would do better than one the other way up a pretty drive to nowhere in particular too. Doesn't matter that people have no intention of continuing on to the distant city. The magnetism comes from that direction.
thesquanderer
(11,991 posts)But when your opponent happens to be Hillary Clinton, there's no advantage to be had there, she's well-known everywhere. That's why I didn't think much of the argument that NH was friendly to Sanders because they're next to VT.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If you're going to make "backyard" claims, you should probably know a bit about geography.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)However, that area is not as thickly settled as the center and coastal areas. He did well on the Cape, but she did well in the population centers. She won Boston, decisively, and that was a big win.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)polling stations today! There are posts here showing him with a BULL HORN doing what he does! And it was at more than one place. I've tried not to think what's been own my head for a long time, but I have no doubt that there's been a lot more crap that's been going on in the Hillary campaign than I thought.
Disgusting! And to think people here actually think it's fine! That's even MORE of an outrage!
Think what you want, but if it was Bernie's side doing this I would be just as outraged!
I'm afraid we will be paying a huge price for what's happening in this country. It's been building for so long now, I wonder when it will blow. I'm now more afraid than I've ever been.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)indisputable proof of corruption in everyone around, maybe reexamine your assumptions?
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)It borders Arkansas, the state she was First Lady of.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...not calling it for Hillary? Why are they waiting?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Bernie's expected winning OK.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....Still not called by the NYT.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)boy that was close
jillan
(39,451 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)news to me
jillan
(39,451 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)More importantly, she had nearly the entire MA Democratic party, with the notable exception of Warren, endorsing her - as well as the Boston Globe. You might note that she did less well than she did in 2008 against Obama - and he had Kerry and Kennedy supporting him.
It looks like the result will be extremely close meaning very little difference in delegates.
One thing good for Sanders is that most of the deep south states are done. It will be interesting to see if Colorado is a harbinger of the Northwestern states.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,191 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)And because you know all that and are all up in Hillary's business.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)I was watching real time results on google and they were reporting Sanders as the official winner. By the time I posted the link here at DU the winner was switched to Clinton. Google wasn't predicting a winner they were displaying who the official winner was. The NY times and the AP both declared Sander winning Mass too. What happened in that brief one minute window that made the major media outlets to declare Sanders of Massachusetts?