Hillary Clinton Margin With Black Voters:

[onehandle]

Alabama : 92-6
Arkansas: 90-10
GA: 83-16
OK: 75-22
TX : 80-18
TN: 85-12
VA: 84-16

[ismnotwasm]

1. K&R

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Ouch

That's gonnna leave a mark.

[grossproffit]

3. It should. POC are an integral part of the party.

[bigtree]

4. absolutely

...and there are folks here who believe we shouldn't even mention race in this election.

The wide divide in support is a significant development which deserves highlighting; both the reality and the reaction to those voters.

[TCJ70]

5. That's too bad. n/t

[stonecutter357]

6. K&R!

just would not listen.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

7. Like I said, people gon' learn tonight how critical the black vote is. You can't shit on black

voters and then expect them to support your cause.

Just saying.

[MellowDem]

14. I don't think what passes as the divisions...

on DU matter a whit to the vast majority of people actually voting. I think people are voting for who they think matches them ideologically the most, probably followed by electability.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

15. The insults are not just here on DU.

[ismnotwasm]

17. That's the truth

[MellowDem]

23. The insults are almost nowhere...

on the radar of the vast majority of voters, Clinton has been leading this big with blacks since the beginning of the campaign, before Sanders was even known to anyone. DU and the Internet political community in general is a bubble within a bubble, and many think these online communities reflect the majority of actual voters, but they don't.

That's why many Sanders supporters on DU think stories posted here about Clinton's corporate ties MUST be making waves, when almost no voters know or care, or Hillary supporters think "Bernie Bros" are hurting Sanders when almost no voters know or care.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. And this is why Sanders is getting his ass kicked among black voters. Because he and his

supporters are tone deaf.

They are not black but they continue to tell us black folk what has happened to us.

That's why he's losing. And his supporters have made it all the more worse for him.

[MellowDem]

39. According to what?

Where is the evidence? Clinton was winning this big among blacks before Bernie was even a candidate, what makes anyone think Internet forum arguments are why he is losing? He was never winning them in the first place!

It's quite possible, even more probable, that people are voting the way they are based on a million other factors than internet arguments, as has always been the case. Things like ideology and electability.

[morningfog]

19. Did Sanders shit black voters?

He failed to connect for sure. But did he shit on them?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. Yes. He wrote off blacks in the South (where the vast majority of Democratic voters are, per capita)

He even insulted them by suggesting they aren't as intelligent as other voters outside the American South.

That is incredibly insulting.

[MellowDem]

35. He wasn't going to win them...

That's political strategy rather than anything nefarious. And he probably calculated the little pick up he could get by spending lots of time there wasn't as great as the pickup from campaigning in states with more friendly demographics, and he was probably right about that.

His message and politics don't resonate with many black voters, it is what it is, and he's pretty consistent in his messaging, so it's not likely he would change his message to fit specific demographics like many politicians do. I'm glad he doesn't, it's an honest way to go about it, and people know what they're voting for.

[HERVEPA]

30. Yeh. And how did Bernie shit on black voters. That's right, he didn't.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. Says his condescending supporters. TONE DEAF!! That is why he's getting his ass kicked!

I hate Hillary Clinton, but I'm so happy that she's kicking his ass.

You don't shit on black voters and not expect to pay for it.

[Chitown Kev]

50. People aren't getting this

I did early vote today, I did not vote for Hillary Clinton but I am kind of happy that she is kicking Sanders' whole entire ass because of all of the bullsht from Sanders supporters.

[bettyellen]

8. I heard that "POC were running from Hillary" and am waiting for a big OP on that subject.

[bettyellen]

13. and also women running away- at the rate of 2 to one, towards Hillary.

[JI7]

46. maybe it was reported on RUssia Today

[obamanut2012]

55. hahaha

Not funny, but funny. Thanks for the morning chuckle!

[JaneyVee]

9. WOWZA.

[onehandle]

12. Oh right. The link...

https://twitter.com/CarrieNBCNews/status/704870540058763265

[MellowDem]

10. There is a racial divide in the party...

just as there is in the US in general.

[rbrnmw]

11. I knew this was going to happen

you can't condescend on someone and then turn around and ask for their vote

[Gwhittey]

16. How in hell did Sanders condescend

Against Africa Americans? His continued support of civil Rights since the 1960s?

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. He didn't, of course. That's more cult mythology.

But the black voter community contains a LOT of people who really aren't all that liberal. Those relatively conservative black voters aren't going to register and vote Republican, even if there's some policy agreement, because today's GOP has a well-earned reputation of not acting in black people's interests (and in many cases being outright racist). So they vote Democrat...and are going to pick the conservative option. Black progressives may well lean towards Bernie...but they aren't that big a group.

Personally, I think anyone not in the ruling 1%'er elite who doesn't opt for Bernie isn't acting in their own best interest, regardless of race. But that's not my call to make for anyone but myself...

[wildeyed]

58. More black people vote for actual Republicans

than voted for your guy in AL Or just about. So pretty sure they just don't like him.

The AA community is not monolithic and most are waaaaay more economically liberal than whites. Sanders most certainly could have done much, much better in that demographic. He was never going to win it, but he also didn't need to. He cratered due to his own campaign missteps.

[MellowDem]

18. This didn't happen...

because of perceived conflicts on DU, this was likely to happen from the start. Clinton has been polling this well with blacks since the beginning.

[Marr]

22. The proof is right there that you can.

Hillary does nothing but condescend.

[grossproffit]

27. It was a disgusting display.

I thought this place would be immune from that. I was wrong.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

28. Thank you! You saw it, too, right? There's a lot of dishonesty, too. That, again, is why Sanders

is getting his ass kicked.

[Gwhittey]

40. Well if

this is how you vote based on stupidity of supporters and not on message of candidate then I don't even know what to say. It is a rather simple minded opinion system to hate Sanders cause some people on internet acted rudely because they claim to support Sanders.

BTW is Hilary dissing BLM tonight since she never mentioned them tonight..Odd they did not get a nod from her after all south heavy African American states are done. When we get to Detroit I bet she ignores them there too because she really can not bring that up because she is supporting Rahm Emanuel who really is not a good person to BLM as he covered up one most obvious assaults on a African American.

[Marr]

34. To what 'insult' are you referring? /nt

[Gwhittey]

41. Sanders supporters

where rude I think. Kinda odd someone would take anything someone said on this forum or anywhere as face value of the Candidate.

[Ken Burch]

45. Bernie NEVER insulted black voters in the South, or anywhere else for that matter.

n/t.

[Marr]

48. Still waiting for you to cite this 'insult'.

You made an accusation. It would be nice if you'd back it up.

[merrily]

51. Since I cannot reply to a hidden post, I will post jury results to you.

Bullshit! Bernie Sanders' insult directed at black voters in the South did not go down well, and his
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1389441


neither Bernie nor his supporters are racist. Nobody shit on black people. Liberal Stalwart is a rage filled hate machine, very disruptive.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:36 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I've gotta agree with this alert. This poster is full of it.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling all Bernie supporters racist is OTT
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yet another racist diatribe from a bottomless pit of same. Hide it ...... and him/her.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree with the first two sentences of the alert. Not sure if the third is correct, but I jury posts, not posters.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You want this hidden? I am sure it will be. You talk about LS's rage. They deserve the right to rage at their children dying in the street at an abnormal rate. "A rage filled hate machine", such a cruel statement from you. Yes there is rage and so much suffering at their loss, yet you call them a machine, that says they are robotic and less than human. Yes you all shat on black people and have done it over and over. You should be ashamed. LEAVE IT ALONE!

[Digital Puppy]

59. Which juror were you?

[merrily]

63. Please see Reply 61.

[Digital Puppy]

72. Yeah, okay.....I'm not really sure what you guys are talking about down thread, but

I wanted to know which juror you were to understand your perspective (and vote) on the statement, "Liberal Stalwart is a rage filled hate machine, very disruptive."

IMO there are some pretty disturbing comments from jurors.

[Agschmid]

60. Which juror were you?

[merrily]

61. I've never seen that question asked of anyone who posted jury results, yet 2 DUers ask me.

I'm flattered, of course, but what's your agenda/point? Please don't say "none" or you're "just curious." No one will believe you and you don't want to make yourself look that dishonest.

[Agschmid]

62. Well usually people share which one they are.

They are usually proud of what they wrote and how they voted. Are you not?

[merrily]

64. Bull puckies. I read here a lot. Your statements are simply untrue.

Some DUers post jury results on occasion, usually when they have some agenda or point to make of their own. Some of them who post results seldom also identify themselves; some do not.

I post jury results every time I serve, unless something else is going on at that time that prevents me because I like transparency, period. I'm not sure anyone else here does that. If they do, they sure don't identify themselves every time.

By now, you should know I did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday. You should also know that whatever point you think you're making is not going to impress anyone over 6, except maybe the folks at hillarysupporters.com and I'm sure they're duly impressed with you anyway. It's not going to change anyone's mind about me--and I'm not sure I'd care if it did/

Don't waste your time. Try your posting games on someone else, or play them with yourself.

[Agschmid]

65. Sorry I only post on DU.

I know that doesn't fit your narrative but hey, not much does these days.

[merrily]

66. Um, I said nothing about where YOU post. Reading for comprehension is your friend.

As far as my narrative, please go ahead and post links to my "narrative" posts that have been disproven.

Link or slink, or just slink.

[Agschmid]

67. Another day another personal insult.

Got it.

[merrily]

68. No link? Telling you that you misread my post is a personal insult? ok, whatever.

If it is, which it isn't, at least it's more aboveboard than your "innocent" question and false explanation of it.

Making up crap about not much fitting my alleged "narrative" these days is not an insult? ok, whatever. Through the magic of double standards, you're the "victim" in this subthread that you started. Got it.

Again, link or slink.

[Agschmid]

69. Just check your "My Posts" page.

I'm not a victim, in any way.

But I'm not going to pretend that wasn't an attempted insult.

[merrily]

70. so no link AND no slink? tsk tsk. How embarrassing for you.

[merrily]

71. Here's an offer you can't refuse. I'll gladly tell you which Juror I was, if you link

to support stuff you made up about my alleged narrative. If what said about my posts supporting your claim were anywhere near true, you should have zero problem coming up with a link. Go for it!

[Codeine]

20. Holy fucking shit.

That's an epic fail for a key demo.

[monicaangela]

32. Spot on Codeine!

[drray23]

31. of course i am not sure

having Cornell west campaign for you is the best strategy if you want to make inroads in the africain american community.

[Recursion]

42. No, but it's *great* for reassuring white voters who want to feel "un-racist"

Which was probably the point to begin with

[wildeyed]

57. Yep.

What you said

[Ken Burch]

44. I seriously doubt that most AA people spend their days obsessing about Dr. West.

AA voters don't have any more of a hivemind than anyone else.

What made the difference was the endless repetition of the lie that Bernie cared less about defeating racism than about defeating economic injustice.

There never has been a conflict between those two causes, and both forms of injustice need to be defeated if either is to stay defeated.

A good man was slandered and false divisions were created.

No one but the rich will ever benefit from that.

[SheenaR]

36. How'd she do with Independents.

A demographic she will need just as much

[delrem]

37. That's very solid. Congratulations must be given to Hillary for this.

I don't understand it, though.
I don't understand why.

I won't listen to some diatribe about the awfulness of "white progressives" as an explanation.
I won't listen to some diatribe about how "white progressives" are racist.

It is what it is.

I don't think Hillary Rodham Clinton can win without "white progressives" and "the liberal left".
I don't.

How do you win after putting "economic justice" against "social justice" as your center piece, then calling those who promote economic justice ... racists? BernieBros? White supremacists? And also misogynist sexists?

I mean, wtf?

So how does Hillary Rodham Clinton intend to walk this back? How can she pull back the ratfucking swiftboating Brock and substitute something unifying, to make everyone forget?

Tell me.

[Ken Burch]

43. Showing how effective the slandering of a good man can be.

Bernie NEVER deserved to be accused of not caring enough about fighting institutional bigotry. And he never deserved what John Lewis did to him.

[Chitown Kev]

47. 61-39 with non-white voters in Massachusetts

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/massachusetts/exit/


White voters were 86% of the electorate and sanders won white voters in Massachusetts 50-49

Non-White voters were 14% of the electorate and Clinton won them 61-39

6% Latino, 4% Black, 4% Asian, 1% Other

The inability to do a little bit better with POC voters hurt Sanders in Iowa and it seems to have hurt him in Massachusetts.

[Number23]

53. I just asked about the numbers in Massachusetts downthread!

Your analysis is incredibly interesting. It makes Liberal_stalwart's points upthread all the more poignant. And of course, for that she got a hidden post.

[Chitown Kev]

54. I saw that...again, those who call out racism...well...

in any event, I am looking for entrance polls for Minnesota and Colorado...as your divaship has requested

[SidDithers]

49. Wow, that's big...

Sid

[Number23]

52. I would love to see the Minnesota and Massachusetts break downs too

[LexVegas]

56. Fallout from attacking civil rights icons...among other things. nt