2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe know Hillary won MA, but I didnt realize she did so while being outspent 2:1 by Team Bernie.
I heard Bernie also outspent her 2:1 in Nevada, SC, and now MA as well. Also outspent her in CO and MN and OK by larger margins but he won those states. https://mobile.twitter.com/benensonj/status/704903246217912320
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)and Super Tuesday. Even though there is no "there" there, those dumps spurred the trickle of innuendo into a flood. And still she prevailed!
One thing that the negative primary campaigning may inadvertently have helped with is to innoculate voters somewhat against those same issues in the GE.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)His $$$ advantage was obvious.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hillary is disproving Bernie's comments about campaign finance system (even though i agree). He's spending tons of cash, she's racking up tons of wins.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)So the difference is actually much greater. Basically, Massachusetts saw tons of the NH ads, then twice the Mass ads, and still Bernie lost.
I'm not worried though. He has an endless supply of money from small donations!
Oh, yes, I know, Bullhorn Bill physically prevented 20,000 Bernie voters from voting in New Bedford (which Hillary won 55-44, and had about 12,000 votes total. )
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)What a triumph against all odds.
You have to spend that much to defeat a machine as powerful as the one he is up against, especially with print, tv and digital media all in her pocket.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Also, you might be the only person on earth who thinks the media, after spending 25 years trying to destroy the Clintons, believes the media is in the tank for Hillary.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Guess we will find out if I am the only one... see you in a few
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)But I'm sure you are right Janey. Heck I haven't seen you be wrong once here per your analysis.
Care to retract your statement?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's not cheap, I betcha.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)if it comforts you.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)Even so, she lost support relative to 2008, when the two Senators backed Obama. She got 60% then - and slightly over 50% this time.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and oddly encouraging too.
riversedge
(70,204 posts)the cycle goes on and on.....
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)How do you factor that into the cost of the campaign?
Yes, I know this is a snarky comment, but a former First Lady isn't going to need to introduce herself the same way a Senator would, or even a former "reality television celebrity" so the investment she made helping Bill get elected, plus her previous presidential campaigns should be taken into account as part of the "cost per vote" calculation.
Considering her own White House/fill-in-the-blank Faux news ongoing scandal coverage as also free advertisement, her media presence and brand is very well established. That doesn't make it good - just established.
Free coverage from Faux on Benghazi alone has probably been worth tens of millions of of dollars in name recognition alone.
Personally, I don't think we can afford another Clinton presidency, but I am adamantly opposed to immediate family of former Presidents running for the same office like some banana republic that pretends it isn't about the corruption and influence peddling.
But I am not a politician. Hillary is, and she just thinks differently.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Good that the voters triumphed over big spending.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)What the hell did you expect him to say. The truth?
Hillary and her team don't do the truth.
Darwin Diplomacy
(27 posts)Bill is now under investigation. He is not above the law. That's two investigations for the Clinton family.
Not looking good, folks. Hopefully the Secretary of State will remove delegates from the Clinton slate and put it on the Sanders slate.