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We know Hillary won MA, but I didnt realize she did so while being outspent 2:1 by Team Bernie. (Original Post) JaneyVee Mar 2016 OP
Impressive! lunamagica Mar 2016 #1
And this is while having attack ads run against her from both sides. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #3
AND having email dumps on the eves of SC BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #15
Here in Denver, Bernie's TV ads swamped Hillary ads. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #2
Its ironic how.... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #5
He outspent her 3:1 in New Hampshire, much of which came through Boston teevee markets alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #4
Oh yeah, forgot about NH. Thanks. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #6
Yes yes SheenaR Mar 2016 #7
Pretty odd coming from the "money buys elections" crowd. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11
Oh.. Ok.. SheenaR Mar 2016 #13
And they are just getting started... Guess I am not the only person on earth SheenaR Mar 2016 #22
Sending your former-President spouse to electioneer at the polls is a real money-saver. n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #8
Made it on tee vee. Octafish Mar 2016 #17
Keep believing that BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #18
Well, you can do that when your campaign actually has money. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #9
Consider that having the entire MA Democratic GOTV working for her has to be worth something karynnj Mar 2016 #10
There were 8 Democrats running in 2008 in MA primary. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #12
Wow! That is very revealing... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #14
Bernie just goes begging for more $$ time and time again--and they ante up and Sanders spends it and riversedge Mar 2016 #16
But how much is she paying Bill? His speeches are worth millions! IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #19
Money didn't buy Massachusetts KingFlorez Mar 2016 #20
He works for Hillary... MattSh Mar 2016 #21
Keep k'laiming that Clinton won MA Darwin Diplomacy Mar 2016 #23

BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
15. AND having email dumps on the eves of SC
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:53 PM
Mar 2016

and Super Tuesday. Even though there is no "there" there, those dumps spurred the trickle of innuendo into a flood. And still she prevailed!

One thing that the negative primary campaigning may inadvertently have helped with is to innoculate voters somewhat against those same issues in the GE.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. Its ironic how....
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is disproving Bernie's comments about campaign finance system (even though i agree). He's spending tons of cash, she's racking up tons of wins.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
4. He outspent her 3:1 in New Hampshire, much of which came through Boston teevee markets
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

So the difference is actually much greater. Basically, Massachusetts saw tons of the NH ads, then twice the Mass ads, and still Bernie lost.

I'm not worried though. He has an endless supply of money from small donations!

Oh, yes, I know, Bullhorn Bill physically prevented 20,000 Bernie voters from voting in New Bedford (which Hillary won 55-44, and had about 12,000 votes total. )

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
7. Yes yes
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

What a triumph against all odds.

You have to spend that much to defeat a machine as powerful as the one he is up against, especially with print, tv and digital media all in her pocket.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
11. Pretty odd coming from the "money buys elections" crowd.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

Also, you might be the only person on earth who thinks the media, after spending 25 years trying to destroy the Clintons, believes the media is in the tank for Hillary.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
22. And they are just getting started... Guess I am not the only person on earth
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280133610

But I'm sure you are right Janey. Heck I haven't seen you be wrong once here per your analysis.

Care to retract your statement?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
10. Consider that having the entire MA Democratic GOTV working for her has to be worth something
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

Even so, she lost support relative to 2008, when the two Senators backed Obama. She got 60% then - and slightly over 50% this time.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
16. Bernie just goes begging for more $$ time and time again--and they ante up and Sanders spends it and
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

the cycle goes on and on.....

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
19. But how much is she paying Bill? His speeches are worth millions!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

How do you factor that into the cost of the campaign?

Yes, I know this is a snarky comment, but a former First Lady isn't going to need to introduce herself the same way a Senator would, or even a former "reality television celebrity" so the investment she made helping Bill get elected, plus her previous presidential campaigns should be taken into account as part of the "cost per vote" calculation.

Considering her own White House/fill-in-the-blank Faux news ongoing scandal coverage as also free advertisement, her media presence and brand is very well established. That doesn't make it good - just established.

Free coverage from Faux on Benghazi alone has probably been worth tens of millions of of dollars in name recognition alone.

Personally, I don't think we can afford another Clinton presidency, but I am adamantly opposed to immediate family of former Presidents running for the same office like some banana republic that pretends it isn't about the corruption and influence peddling.

But I am not a politician. Hillary is, and she just thinks differently.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
21. He works for Hillary...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

What the hell did you expect him to say. The truth?

Hillary and her team don't do the truth.

 

Darwin Diplomacy

(27 posts)
23. Keep k'laiming that Clinton won MA
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

Bill is now under investigation. He is not above the law. That's two investigations for the Clinton family.

Not looking good, folks. Hopefully the Secretary of State will remove delegates from the Clinton slate and put it on the Sanders slate.

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