2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe actual takeover from the 54th floor of the convention. It was quite real.
I posted some of this about a year ago.
Today I was reading that Howard Dean has declared his superdelegate vote will go to Hillary even if Bernie wins the popular vote. To heck with the wishes of the Vermont voters.
He has given his allegiance to a group of Democrats who held a press conference to say he would never be president. Go figure.
They were up high above the convention hall in 2000. Setting policy. A few men.
This is John Nichols' unforgettable column in the Progressive 2000. This is the archived version with all the dates above the article.
Behind the DLC Takeover
At the national convention of a major political party, an ideologically rigid sectarian clique secures the ultimate triumph. It inserts two of its own as nominees for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Heavily financed by the most powerful corporations in the world, the group's leaders gather in a private club fifty-four floors above the convention hall, apart from the delegates of the party they had infiltrated. There, they carefully monitor the convention's acceptance of a platform the organization had drafted almost in its entirety. Then, with the ticket secured and with the policy course of the party set, they introduce a team of 100 shock troops to deploy across the country to lock up the party's grassroots.
This is not some fantastic political thriller starring Harrison Ford or Sharon Stone. This is the real-life version of Invasion of the Party Snatchers--with the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) burrowing into the pod that is the Democratic Party.
Founded in the mid-1980s with essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition--to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right--the DLC has been far more successful than its headline-grabbing Republican counterpart. After Walter Mondale's 1984 defeat at the hands of Ronald Reagan, a group of mostly Southern, conservative Democrats hatched the theory that their party was in trouble because it had grown too sympathetic to the agendas of organized labor, feminists, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, peace activists, and egalitarians.
....A day is soon coming when "we'll finally be able to proclaim that all Democrats are, indeed, New Democrats," declared DLC President Al From on the eve of this year's Democratic National Convention.
They closed their doors in 2011 proclaiming that their purposes had been achieved. Some days it's hard to find argument with that.
I think the most disheartening thing this group ever did was to have a press conference in 2003 to declare that Howard Dean was not the man to be president.
What the DLC said about Dean in 2003
More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."
"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."
As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.
"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."
That article by a David Von Drehle is no longer available at the WP as far as I can see.
See how easy it all was? Lots of rich donors, overlooking the convention floor from 54 stories high? Not bad.
And their power over the party has never ended.[link:http://|
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You can't beat that price. Hillary hit me up on twitter.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)and then vote for Bernie!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)But this is all a moot point. Bernie is not going to win the pledged delegates any way. But I will agree with you in one respect - he'd have to win over her by 100 delegates or more to get any measure of the supers to switch. There is NO WAY that will happen though, so again moot point.
But they did it for Obama when the actual count was very, very close. Which was proper. However, they won't do that for someone trying to hijack the party. They exist to stop non-Dems from hijacking the party. Moral of the story is learn the party rules before trying to hijack a party you have dissed for 30 years.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Bernie is like Democrats used to be. For myself...I've never ever failed to vote Democratic. In every election since I was old enough to vote.
SO MaggieD you say I am hijacking the party. Then I must not be considered worthy enough to be a Democrat in your eyes.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I don't find some of his votes to be very progressive. I don't think him dissing Dems for 25 years or saying JFK made him want to puke, or saying Obama should be primaried is very progressive.
And apparently the majority of Dem voters so far don't think much of him either. I have voted Dem for 38 years. I am not voting for a guy who decided to pretend he is a Dem 9 months ago over someone who has made actual progressive achievements for the people over decades and has been a Dem since 1968.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)If you don't think of us as Democrats now, will you think of us as Democrats in November?
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I see people who have contempt for the people who are thinking outside the box of the inner circle....realizing that the rightward movement continuing means a one-party system. We are almost there now.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Baseless smears never accompanied by fact. And sometimes flat out lies. Proven lies. Right wing lies. Front page is full of it every day and has been for a long time. Can't imagine how you miss that. Every single day.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Bernblu
(441 posts)I've been supporting the Democrats for 40 years and supported and voted for every freaking candidate since McGovern. The fact is Democratic is no longer the party of working people (Black, White, or Latino). Its support for the trade policies like NAFTA and many others has lead to the devastation we see in Detroit and Flint. Bernie is first candidate in years who is opposed to such policies in a long, long time. The fact is the Democratic Party's establishment has sold out to the moneyed interests and left behind the working people a long time ago.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)But Bill, oops, I mean Hillary will change all that.
longship
(40,416 posts)So stop ringing that cockamamie "Bernie's not a Democrat" bell.
THAT FUCKING BELL DOESNT RING!
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He certainly did not vote with them on numerous issues. He has no endorsements from his colleagues for good reason.
longship
(40,416 posts)Or Teddy Kennedy (remember him?).
He also has the highest approval rate in all of congress.
So go ahead and diss him some more. Do you honestly think that it helps your candidate in any way?
Thankfully I will vote for the Dem nominee, whoever it is. But your attitude does not help me want to if it is Hillary Clinton. And many have already abandoned that position due to the blinkered hubris of Secy Clinton and her supporters.
We have a nomination process to go through before a candidate is selected. I highly suggest Democrats, no matter who they support, to dial it down! The Hillary's won rhetoric at this point just pisses off folks who Hillary very much needs in November.
Why? Oh why don't you see this?
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)See? Two can play these silly games.
Want another round? Or are we going to be reasonable with each other?
You choose.
lob1
(3,820 posts)www.democraticunderground.com/12511393082
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But it is the belief of many that the party was hijacked years ago. We'd like to see it change.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Encourage your fellow revolutionaries to get off the couch, elect blue state legislatures and get rid of gerrymandering. Once you get rid of the GOPers you will realize the GOPers were the problem. Not Democrats.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I thought we were shooting for "One America," all moderate RW? Did I miss the memo where the honeymoon was over?
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Take an actual look at what has happened. Democrats are a part of the problem especially the more conservative leaning dems. Constantly they hold back progress because they have to deal with getting the votes of the dems from the states Hillary won on Tuesday. I am a lifelong democrat but apparently I am still capable of recognizing that our " frontrunner" is in the same money game as the republicans. I recognize our "frontrunner" has changed positions more often than a limber porn star. I recognize that while Bill Clinton had a good jobs record much of it was due to the dot. coms and NAFTA. Businesses couldn't wait to build up inventories so they could move out of the country. If you see no need to return to our principles instead of this new way of screwing over the voters then I really do not want to be associated with the Third way supporters, in which you obviously are. The democratic establishment not only sold us out, but continues to sell us out with Hillary as the candidate. You may not like it, but it's true. I do not trust her not because of what people say, but because what she says and then abruptly changes time and time again. Want to know my take on things, Bernie has won four states democrats win and Hillary has won four democrats win. I'd call Virginia an "iffy" state at best. I have never once heard a democrat say universal healthcare is not part of the platform. I can't fathom how people actually believe Hillary wouldn't return to TPP considering she praised it upwards of 50 times. She is for sale to the highest bidder, period. She offers her supporters shit sandwiches and they ask for seconds. Truly amazing.
randome
(34,845 posts)...what was he dissing back then? A more Progressive party?
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Wilms
(26,795 posts)sounds about right.
No more 1968s.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Btw....your inferring that I and hundereds of thousands of Bernie supporters are trying to "hijack" the party is offensive as hell.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Smells like a stale dirty sock to me. Maybe Library Girl has finally figured shit out? Either way, 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yet too many either don't care or something. I can't figure it out.
Not Sure
(735 posts)Overriding a majority of pledged delegates is the day the election is lost and the party is over. I cannot imagine a bigger slap in the face to the actual voters who must turn out in the actual election to make this whole thing work. Without me* and others like me there can be no victory.
*just a voter and a donor, not a super delegate.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The Establishment has been telling us they are in charge and we follow. It's just a question of what they have to do before enough people say "No."
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)They are everywhere... even in this thread.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Best feature of this site these days.
So many people with blinders on that will vote against their best interests.
I'll keep donating to Bernie, but it looks like the fix is in for Hillary.
Turn out the lights, this Party is over.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)thankfully
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Much appreciated.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Third Way .... Tony Blair... and after his mess and Gordon Brown trying to hold things together. .. got 10 years of Conservative government that would like to Americanize the UK welfare state. Third Way style with a Conservative twist.
Yes I'm talking UK politics here but I see similarities to what's happening here. The UK Tories resemble an awful lot like the blue dog democrats... the Third Way lobby.... not traditional Democratic values. Even Thatcher had a social conscience (socially moderate on issues like abortion). And I. Don't. Like. Tories.
When Killer Mike said that we don't want to elect another Margaret Thatcher. ... I saw the truth. I'm sorry to say it but what has happened to the Democratic Party is that it has gone right and left the left behind. Then you get a left wing Democratic Socialist come in.... and the Democratic left find their leader. Then you have people say that Bernie isn't a real Democrat.... eh? Sorry but the party went Tory with the leadership.
So who is the real Democrat again?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Here's an article from 2003...The Blair Democrats Ready for Battle.
The Blair Democrats: Ready for Battle
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/05/01/the-blair-democrats-ready-for-battle/dda904c4-751b-45a1-80e1-7050a9c0c7d7/
The Clintons and Blair worked together to form the worldwide Third Way. 1998 I think they formed it together.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)to the rightward shift. Maybe because it was so gradual. I do not know, but I do know if the democrats do not return to their principles they will be a damaged party. I am not going to help them clean up their mess, let them wallow in the manure until they figure it out. We finally get someone running who actual has democratic principles and they want to run to the right. Or slightly right, instead of the bat shit crazy right we now see. They need to get it straight or see an even greater exodus than we have under the brilliant leadership of DWS.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)" Blair and Clinton have met twice this year -- once in this country and last month in England -- to discuss the so-called third way strategy that is neither the traditional right or left approach to governing. Clinton also explored the subject at a May meeting with Romano Prodi, the Italian prime minister, and on June 7 at a Camp David meeting with Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso.
While playing down any immediate organizational plans, some of those involved in the discussions suggest that the long-range aim would be to set up a middle-ground counterpart to the Socialist International on the left or the International Democrat Union on the right.
Any formal efforts to set up such an organization or forum would begin after the German elections in September. If Gerhard Schroeder, the Social Democratic candidate, wins, the German leadership would help Clinton and Blair counter some quiet opposition in the French and Portuguese left.
In place of direct state intervention, Clinton and Blair have been promoting a version of liberal-left politics that calls for competitive, free-market strategies while using government to prevent the market from devastating those least prepared to live without the protections of the welfare state."
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political/Third_Way.html
"It is in this context that Blair and Clinton proclaimed themselves pioneers of a new Third Way that pursues a middle course between the nasty conservative right and unpragmatic old left, and they have been joined in this pursuit by Schroder and other social democrats. It is notable that Clinton is a charter member of this new set, as he is also a charter member of the Democratic Leadership Council, which is an openly right-wing faction of the not very social democratic Democratic Party. Blair and other European social democrats have frequently expressed admiration for the U.S. model, with its low wages, job insecurity, contingent labor, and relatively low unemployment levels. The convergence of thought and policy among Blair, Schroder, and Clinton indicates how far to the right European social democracy has traveled.
The most remarkable feature of Third Way leaders' thought is its virtual identity with neoliberal doctrine and with what market operatives believe in and strive for in policy-making. Blair and Clinton can't speak too highly of the efficacy of the market and the importance of bringing as much as possible within its orbit. Blair's speeches, his government's position papers, and his joint statement with Schroder in June 1999 are a litany of cliches dear to the hearts of the business community and right wing: no more "tax and spend," and although budgets have "reached the limits of acceptability" (Blair) we must lower taxes, but only to reward "hard work and enterprise" and to make business "globally competitive." Global competitiveness also calls for the containment of wages and pensions via "labor flexibility" and "hard decisions" to get welfare costs down and to make people more "responsible."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/458626.stm
"So what is this Third Way embraced by Blair and Clinton and now by a number of European leaders, most notably Gerhart Schröder in Germany? One observer described it as the Loch Ness Monster of British politics - everyone's heard of it , there are occasional sightings but no-one is sure the beast really exists. Or as another remarked the third way is ethereally defined. One supporter writing to The Independent claimed it was a form of benevolent pragmatism - a philosophy that asked of each policy - is it good, does it work? For this reason he argued it was hated by the old left and the new right - the new right because they never did anything that was good and the old left because they never did anything that worked . "
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Bernblu
(441 posts)Bernie wins Vermont by 72% and he is voting for Clinton. F**k him.
desmiller
(747 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)[link:
|LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)He turns out to be just another pretender. He was one of the most progressive sounding voices. If he would have actually won, he too no doubt, like Obama would have suddenly veered right once he was handed the keys to the WH.
He now reminds me, especially if I ever see a shot of him standing behind Clinton on stage, as the sad sack looking Christie with the pasted on smile just hoping the Don doesn't hate him for once running against him.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)it's getting harder every day to tell the difference between the two parties with all the back room wheeling and dealing that goes on. You need your own private server to keep track of all the favors and cash promised for votes.
intheflow
(28,466 posts)Papers change the URLs when they archive articles. Searching for the article title (if you have it) usually brings it up.
Thanks for the DLC history!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Yep, I've learned to search for titles. I even have found a few DLC articles from that time even though their website disappeared.
Thanks, nice to read about those TX Democrats again. We were all pulling for them here.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)"With the DLC in a position to influence the Democratic Party, Wall Street wins either way," says populist Jim Hightower, who has abandoned his lifelong loyalty to the Democratic Party this year in order to back Nader's candidacy. "If the Republicans win, the corporations have a party in power that will do their bidding. And if the Democrats win, Wall Street knows the DLC will keep them in line."
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)They were started in order to prevent the takeover of the DNC by other parties. The GOP has been splintered by the TP bunch and are having much turmoil now. The super delegates are probably here to stay. The choice of endorsement is by those who are super delegates. Currently the Democrat members of Congress are super delegates. These are members who have worked with each other, know the others habits and work ethics. These are the rules of the DNC Primary.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)To be clear in the OP I did not mention them except where Dean was concerned.
The words of the party chair as to why we have them:
http://truthinmedia.com/dnc-chair-superdelegates-protect-party-leaders-from-grassroots-competition/
CNNs Jake Tapper asked Wasserman Schultz on Thursday, Hillary Clinton lost to Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire by 22 percentage points, the biggest victory in a contested Democratic primary there since John F. Kennedy, but it looks as though Clinton and Sanders are leaving the Granite State with the same number of delegates in their pockets because Clinton has the support of New Hampshires superdelegates, these party insiders. What do you tell voters who are new to the process who says[sic] this makes them feel like its all rigged?
Wasserman Schultz replied, Well, let me just make sure that I can clarify exactly what was available during the primaries in Iowa and in New Hampshire. The unpledged delegates are a separate category. The only thing available on the ballot in a primary and a caucus is the pledged delegates those that are tied to the candidate that they are pledged to support, and they receive a proportional number of delegates going into our convention.
She added, Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials dont have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists. We are as a Democratic Party really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention, and so we want to give every opportunity to grassroots activists and diverse, committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend, and be a delegate at the convention. And so we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isnt competition between them.
Tapper responded, Im not sure that that answer would satisfy an anxious young voter, but lets move on.
If they decide, like Dean apparently has, to vote for their own choice instead of ours....then we might as well not have elections.
Just let the party decide for us.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DNC has a means of preventing the problem like the GOP is trying to work with currently. I am really surprised at the feeling because a state either voted or caucused for one candidate the super delegates should endorse the same. Super delegates are in or have been elected to congress, state houses, governors, etc or formally held offices. They are allotted on per state basis and since most have been elected it is still based on what the people have voiced, this is a point which is overlooked.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Anyway, though I just voted for Bernie in the FL Presidential Primary Preference....I am realistic.
He's fighting the party machinery with DWS leading it, she's openly saying he's not a Democrat.
The former president openly campaigned at 4 polling places, so far with impunity.
It's a long shot that he might win, trouble is we will still be around making waves.
I watch DWS fighting any legalization of marijuana in FL, openly working with Republicans more than her own party at times.
There will be lasting ramifications from the primary.
It's too bad both major Dem forums won't let us have opinions after a certain date.
obamanut2012
(26,072 posts)Tad Devine.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)brooklynite
(94,541 posts)They advocated for a set of policies and a set of candidates to implement them. I think we call that a "Primary".
You and everyone else had the opportunity to vote for Jerry Brown, who stayed in for the duration. But I guess the voters just weren't as smart as you were...
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)You said:
You and everyone else had the opportunity to vote for Jerry Brown, who stayed in for the duration. But I guess the voters just weren't as smart as you were...
bbmykel
(282 posts)..I still have a soft spot for Dr. Dean. I met some of the nicest people ever campaigning and tabling for him. And he gave us a voice when we sorely needed one.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We opposed him on the privatization of education. Bam, blocked.
Not the same Dean, or else my late hubby and I got badly fooled back then.
bbmykel
(282 posts)I still have all of my old Dean tabling materials. Time to dump them I guess.