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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:29 PM Mar 2016

Report: Bernie Sanders proposes $15T in tax increases, hitting most taxpayers .

Last edited Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:39 PM - Edit history (2)

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has proposed $15.3 trillion in tax increases, according to a new report, and would raise rates on virtually everyone, including the politically all-important middle class.

Not surprisingly for a candidate who has made income inequality his central issue, Sanders’s plan would wallop the rich, an analysis released Friday by the Tax Policy Center shows.

The top 0.1 percent would see their tax bills go up by more than $3 million, the report said, which would cut their after-tax incomes by almost half.

But Sanders, going where few politicians dare, would also raise taxes on middle- and low-income families, with those in the dead center of the income spectrum facing a $4,700 tax increase. That would reduce their after-tax incomes by 8.5 percent, the report said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-tax-increases-220267#ixzz41xbGl1Yw

ETA: The funniest part about thread responses are that BERNIE ADMITTED MIDDLE CLASS TAXES WILL GO UP. Some of you just arent hearing it though.

https://lettertosanders.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/open-letter-to-senator-sanders-and-professor-gerald-friedman-from-past-cea-chairs/

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Report: Bernie Sanders proposes $15T in tax increases, hitting most taxpayers . (Original Post) JaneyVee Mar 2016 OP
when did you become a republican? total RW bullshit litlbilly Mar 2016 #1
Raise middle class wages, not middle class taxes. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #5
No new taxes!!!! UglyGreed Mar 2016 #29
totally false; even the right wing tax foundation shows the opposite, amborin Mar 2016 #2
Provide links. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #11
Nice way it survives. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #3
No mention on savings on healthcare. But the word "tax" is an effective boogeyman. drokhole Mar 2016 #4
#BernieMath JaneyVee Mar 2016 #7
Will Bernie's friends at Fox bring this up? Hmmm... Alfresco Mar 2016 #6
This has already been debunked. Next! jillan Mar 2016 #8
Uhh...the report was just released today. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #9
And it has already been debunked. This claim was made month ago. jillan Mar 2016 #15
Are you hostile to facts? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #17
Nor is Hillary. MattSh Mar 2016 #26
And you are? LOL! (nt) CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #28
Why yes I am. I have economic degrees and economics is my job. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #37
You should check with your profile 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #42
Which part? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #45
The part that describes your job 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #48
Do you know what a UPM is and does? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #50
I do, and I know TM99 Mar 2016 #64
Gee, I sure spend a lot of time dealing with economics for a manager. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #66
But Janey, you are still not an economist. TM99 Mar 2016 #69
Federal taxation and govt spending was like day 1 of economics. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #72
You are educated. TM99 Mar 2016 #74
I trust Prof Krugman on this Gothmog Mar 2016 #87
This is a distortion of Bernie's tax plan Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #10
Try this from liberal economists JaneyVee Mar 2016 #13
Try this from Bill Clinton's Secretary of Labor jillan Mar 2016 #16
Ma'am, that is about healthcare, we're talking tax policy. READ THE ARTICLE JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19
The ONLY tax that middle class Americans will see an increase in is for healthcare. jillan Mar 2016 #22
LOL. That chart is based on #BernieMath JaneyVee Mar 2016 #39
Oh Janey - I have provided you with the response to that letter already from other economists that jillan Mar 2016 #40
WHERE? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #51
but that doesn't fit her narrative dana_b Mar 2016 #52
Higher taxes for free stuff will never fly with voters. oasis Mar 2016 #12
Like higher taxes for free retirement money? Or healthcare when you're old? Armstead Mar 2016 #30
I'm not opposed to higher taxes, but I have only one vote. oasis Mar 2016 #33
If nothing else, he might be able to defuse some of the distortions about single payer Armstead Mar 2016 #36
I agree. Elected Democrats were gravitating much to rightward. oasis Mar 2016 #47
Exactly scscholar Mar 2016 #63
"If your description is accurate" dana_b Mar 2016 #35
Good. We need higher taxes. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #14
Doesn't the middle class make out better in this deal net wise factoring in healthcare, college, etc EndElectoral Mar 2016 #18
Are healthcare and college free? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #20
I posted a chart so you could see how Bernie pays for everything just above. jillan Mar 2016 #25
I'm probably one of those dead center people. Vinca Mar 2016 #21
With me it is getting rid of the insurance companies. I care for someone that has complex jillan Mar 2016 #24
+1 Go Vols Mar 2016 #89
OMG!! OMG!! OMG!! dirtydickcheney Mar 2016 #23
I gather the 'BernieBros are Stalinists' meme blew up in y'all's faces? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #27
Everyone's Health Care Premiums will go to ZERO, more than making up for any tax increase. n/t yodermon Mar 2016 #31
Umm..Medicare is an 80/20 payment. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #41
Well, that's not good! People aren't going to like that. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #32
Downballot Dems can't run on it. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #79
It's a recipe for failure. (ie: Super-majorities in both houses of Congress.) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #80
Senate and SCOTUS fall if he is the nominee. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #81
The worst part of it? We get absolutely NOTHING in return! DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #34
Hillary fans are so skilled at drive-by talking points that never stick CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #38
This article is about tax policy, not healthcare. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #43
The last Democrat to run on raising taxes on the middle class was redstateblues Mar 2016 #44
this is not 1984 anymore dana_b Mar 2016 #49
I don't care what year it is. No one will win running on raising taxes redstateblues Mar 2016 #85
was he proposing it as part of single payer healthcare? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #73
Doesn't look to bad considering the trade off - Lans Mar 2016 #46
Only if we eventually change to single payer, reducing our medical insurance payments accordingly. raging moderate Mar 2016 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #54
My employer pays them. Like 90% of other Americans. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #57
Any tax increase on the middle class is a nonstarter, period. vdogg Mar 2016 #55
We need lower taxes for the middle class and poor. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #58
It's a guaranteed loser redstateblues Mar 2016 #84
Tax increases worked so well for President Mondale Gothmog Mar 2016 #56
God, just like Hillary, her supporters are little Hillarys themselves pdsimdars Mar 2016 #59
re: " That would reduce their after-tax incomes by 8.5 percent" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #60
90% of people have employer healthcare. And... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #61
Even employer healthcare often requires employee contributions. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #62
I meant covered, between that and Medicare. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #65
And then we still have to pay to access it via Kittycat Mar 2016 #82
that's incorrect PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #75
But they would get so much more in return by way of free college tuition and free healthcare... Jitter65 Mar 2016 #67
well, yeah , they would PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #78
The funniest part about these threads is Democrats pretending to not understand anything about taxes Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #68
==== thank you ==== Kittycat Mar 2016 #83
Deceptive and Misleading at best . . . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #70
My working stiff taxes will go up $100. My healthcare costs will go down by $15,000 Doctor_J Mar 2016 #71
My taxes will go up a little. Svafa Mar 2016 #76
To get a ROI from My Tax fredamae Mar 2016 #77
I seem to remember the last presidential candidate that ran on raising taxes Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #86
kick!!!! UglyGreed Mar 2016 #88

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
4. No mention on savings on healthcare. But the word "tax" is an effective boogeyman.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

Not to mention the potentially enormous/endless (yet intangible) benefits and efficiencies of what a healthier, better educated, less indebted, infrastructurally reinforced country might bring (along with, you know, a planet that's actually inhabitable)...but, yeah, boo to that plan.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
64. I do, and I know
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

that you are not an economist.

You are a type of manager - you deal with budgets, resources, and scheduling. In military parlance, you are a glorified quarter master.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
66. Gee, I sure spend a lot of time dealing with economics for a manager.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

I have 2 economic degrees and a film degree, they dont just give these jobs to "glorified quarter masters".

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
69. But Janey, you are still not an economist.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

You pretend that you are one. But your position is highly specialized for the film industry. Your economic degrees are still about managing resources, like a quarter master, in a large production environment, in this case film projects.

You are not qualified by your job title to speak to international trade. You are not qualified to speak to federal taxation and government spending. You are not qualified beyond giving an opinion like the rest of us do, some more qualified there than others, to speak on these topics pretending you have authority when you do not.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
74. You are educated.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

Guess what? So am I and many others. I hold an MBA with a concentration in economics.

But you have been dishonest and suggest that you have the professional experience as well. Saying you are an economist when you are not.

I have no problem with you speaking from educational knowledge. So do I and others. But some here actually are economists. That is their day-job every month and every year. You are not one of them.

Gothmog

(145,218 posts)
87. I trust Prof Krugman on this
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

I trust Prof. Krugman on this http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/?_r=0


On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice.

To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect.

Again, as noted by Prof. Krugman this plan does not add up.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
10. This is a distortion of Bernie's tax plan
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

But it is unfortunately the kind of stuff the GOP will throw up against Bernie in the GE if Bernie were the nominee, and it will be very effective, especially if coupled with the word "socialist." Hillary also has negative (I'm not one to deny that), but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that Bernie has none. This is one of them.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
19. Ma'am, that is about healthcare, we're talking tax policy. READ THE ARTICLE
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar 2016

And that was an awful "debunking", America has 330 million people. Denmark has 8 million.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
22. The ONLY tax that middle class Americans will see an increase in is for healthcare.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

The rest of the tax increases are on wall street speculation - same thing Hillary proposes.
Closing tax loopholes - also proposed by Hillary.

Here is a simple chart to make it simple for you.
Obviously whoever wrote this has no clue on Bernie's plans to pay for everything he proposes, which is pathetic because it is all at BernieSanders.com

jillan

(39,451 posts)
40. Oh Janey - I have provided you with the response to that letter already from other economists that
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

tore apart that op-ed.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
52. but that doesn't fit her narrative
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

to smear Bernie's plans and promote - what - more of the SAME from Hillary. More of what is NOT working for the majority of us. We don't want the status quo anymore. We want the actual change that we were sold years ago but that still hasn't happened. I'll admit that Obama at least tried to do SOME good but we need much, much more now.

oasis

(49,383 posts)
12. Higher taxes for free stuff will never fly with voters.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016
If your description is accurate, it's a very bad plan.

oasis

(49,383 posts)
33. I'm not opposed to higher taxes, but I have only one vote.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie's got a hard sell ahead of him.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
36. If nothing else, he might be able to defuse some of the distortions about single payer
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:22 PM
Mar 2016

What I like about Sanders campaign, win or lose, is that crucial issues and good Liberal ideas are being brought out into the fresh air again after being AWOL from the Democratic Party and the overall public discourse since Reagan (and the Clintons) .

At the very least it may pave the way for these in the future (hopefully near future)

oasis

(49,383 posts)
47. I agree. Elected Democrats were gravitating much to rightward.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary, I believe, will serve her country and party well during her first term. However, I do see the possibility of a challenge to her second term by an emerging progressive.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
63. Exactly
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

The people all support those things, and those things are all paid for by the people that have more than they need.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
35. "If your description is accurate"
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

It's not. It doesn't discuss the savings that the middle class family will get with Medicare for all. See post #22

It seems like this article is another "vote for Hillary" ad - more than an actual article.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
14. Good. We need higher taxes.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:44 PM
Mar 2016

Just like we had when the country was an economic powerhouse and we were doing great things.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
25. I posted a chart so you could see how Bernie pays for everything just above.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe you should look at it.

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
21. I'm probably one of those dead center people.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

I'm now on Medicare, but the cost for health insurance when I was 65 was in excess of $8,000 a year (and that was Obamacare - before that it was $12,000). If I had a choice between paying $4,700 in taxes or $8,000 for an insurance policy, I'd giddily pay the taxes. The side benefit is the person preparing my food at a restaurant will also have health coverage and I don't have to worry that he or she can't seek treatment for hepatitis, the flu, TB or a myriad of other communicable diseases.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
24. With me it is getting rid of the insurance companies. I care for someone that has complex
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

medical issues. Everytime I want to take her to a new specialist, I have to get a referral from her doctor so her insurance company will cover it. It takes weeks. In the meantime, I have to make several trips with her to urgent care.

It's insane because it ends up costing the insurance companies more money in the long run.

I wanted single payer as part of the ACA. But the ACA is better than nothing, outrageous deductibles and all.

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
23. OMG!! OMG!! OMG!!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

I will now have to pay the gov't an extra $1,000 a year vs. the $5,000 I now pay to the health-insurance company!


If the US Taxpayers pay an extra $15 Trillion (assuming that's a correct figure) what would the corresponding amount be if we get the same services he's planning on giving us but instead give it to a private (for-profit) enterprise?

What? $30 Trillion? Because I know they aren't 2x as efficient as the gov't as judged by the 401k fees....

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. I gather the 'BernieBros are Stalinists' meme blew up in y'all's faces?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

Hillarians are like Wile E Coyote.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
80. It's a recipe for failure. (ie: Super-majorities in both houses of Congress.)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:25 PM
Mar 2016

On the plus-side: Bernie WILL BE defeated in the primaries.

Go, Hillary! We love you!



 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
34. The worst part of it? We get absolutely NOTHING in return!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone pays more taxes and then Bernie and his cronies are going to set that big pile of cash on fire and roast marshmallows. Taxes are for suckers! Don't they know that we should be drowning the government in the bathtub? That it's our money and not the government's and hard working families know best how to spend their hard earned cash? Ronald Reagan told us many times that CUTTING taxes raises revenue. Apparently some of Sanders' pie in the sky followers just don't understand that.



p.s. This is

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
38. Hillary fans are so skilled at drive-by talking points that never stick
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:25 PM
Mar 2016

They throw up their accusations, and all it takes is a few DUers with the truth to completely obliterate their
talking points.

What a joke.

Sander's healthcare proposal will raise our family's annual tax bill $167. I'd complain about that, but wait--we won't be paying $500 for health insurance every month.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
44. The last Democrat to run on raising taxes on the middle class was
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

Walter Mondale- He won exactly ONE state. His home state MN

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
49. this is not 1984 anymore
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

and how did all of those Reagan policies work out for us?? People are willing to try it the Democratic Socialist's way. We HAVE to do it differently because THIS is not working for the majority of people.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
85. I don't care what year it is. No one will win running on raising taxes
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

on the middle class. It's foolish

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
73. was he proposing it as part of single payer healthcare?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

Because single payer healthcare is an off-setter that gives those taxes a lot less of a bite and actually ends up being a net saver.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
53. Only if we eventually change to single payer, reducing our medical insurance payments accordingly.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

This ploy was once used to fight against government-regulated health insurance, back when Hillary Clinton was trying to get Congress to enact it, in the nineties. Please do not dishonor her efforts back then by using it in this context. When you fight a monster, you must take care that you do not become the monster.

Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
55. Any tax increase on the middle class is a nonstarter, period.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:38 AM - Edit history (1)

1%, go for it. Even a marginal increase on the upper middle would be ok. Middle and lower, you'll lose 49 states. It doesn't matter how much you tell them they'll get for this increase, even if it's small, nobody middle class and under will accept that.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
59. God, just like Hillary, her supporters are little Hillarys themselves
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:06 PM
Mar 2016

No BS is too far, no disinformation is too low.
We really need to cleanse the system. . . isn't there a political laxative so we can flush all this sh*t out of the system?

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
60. re: " That would reduce their after-tax incomes by 8.5 percent"
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

I have a feeling that did not allow for the fact that they would no longer be making mandatory private health insurance payments. That would reduce (or could even possibly eliminate) their reduction in after-tax income... in some case, people will actually come out ahead. A more comprehensive view is required.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
62. Even employer healthcare often requires employee contributions.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

BTW, your 90% figure is way, way off. It's 49%. Where did you get 90% from?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
82. And then we still have to pay to access it via
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:36 PM
Mar 2016

Deductibles, copays and exclusions. We cap our plan every year. This year we calculated that it would save us to switch to a high deductible HSA. We hit the high deductible on Feb 4th, all pharmaceutical except 2 Dr visits. So yes, I'm happy to pay more in taxes and less in health insurance.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
75. that's incorrect
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

around 11% of people are uninsured. Around 20% of people who do have insurance pat for it fully themselves. only 43% have employer insurance.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/186047/uninsured-rate-third-quarter.aspx

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
67. But they would get so much more in return by way of free college tuition and free healthcare...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016


If you don't go to college because you don't want to or because you have to work to support your parents etc., you miss out!

If you already get subsidized health insurance and pay virtually nothing because you are poor or near poor, you miss out!

And the people in the middle class who are helping family members still get hit with the tax increase although that money may very well have gone to that help.

Just the sound of this tax burden, no matter what might happen to the projected economy will drive people to the GOP. And if we withdraw from the international economy while this is going on, the US consumer will be taking triple whammy. Nothing happens in a vacuum. And the economists who have supported this plan are doing so ASSUMING a 5% growth rate that absolutely will not happen if we foul up our moves on trade.

PaulaFarrell

(1,236 posts)
78. well, yeah , they would
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

in so many ways.

oh, i was going to try to respond to this post but it hurts my brain...

Nanjeanne

(4,960 posts)
68. The funniest part about these threads is Democrats pretending to not understand anything about taxes
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:32 PM
Mar 2016

Notice I said "pretending" because I refuse to believe that real honest to goodness Democrats really do stand beside Republican talking points.

So - why do people have a problem with paying taxes? As Biden once said "it's patriotic to pay taxes". And Republicans laughed. Now, sadly, Democrats do too. Why do Democrats of today use the Republican fear mongering about taxes? OH NO. TAXES ARE GOING TO BE RAISED!!!! We can't have that.

But where is the Democrats outrage that their taxes RIGHT NOW are going to support the Walton family? To subsidize profitable health insurance companies. To subsidize profitable fossil fuel companies. To subsidize companies that keep their profits overseas?

*crickets*

BUT - paying a little bit more in taxes and receiving healthCARE (yes you heard me - CARE, not INSURANCE). Joining the rest of the world and having PAID FAMILY LEAVE. Yes that's right - PAID FAMILY LEAVE - for maternity leave, or an aging parent--something perfectly normal and acceptable in other countries. PUBLIC COLLEGE tuition free. Yes it can be done. It's being done in dozens of countries very successfully. In fact Americans are going to colleges in foreign countries without paying tuition - or in some cases, paying extremely low tuitions. But for some reason, Democrats think this is horrible and we shouldn't be able to do this here in our own country.

This OP is exactly why I no longer want to be associated with the Democratic Party. I haven't a clue what they stand for but until those who claim to be Democrats stop using Republican language and fear tactics to mislead people into thinking paying a little more for taxes but getting healthcare for everyone including the 12 million currently without, tuition free college, family paid leave, Social Security expansion and security and more is HORRIFYING -- I will continue to be one of those Democrats working very very very hard to change the Party from one of Corporatism to something that really reflects the needs of the American people.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
83. ==== thank you ====
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

This kind of talk would have been insane here 8-10 years ago. It's really disheartening. Thank you for sharing.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
70. Deceptive and Misleading at best . . . .
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:39 PM
Mar 2016

Probably something like this is what this is based on. Bernie is the only candidate who has put out specific proposals and also told how he will fund them. If you look closely, these are mostly taken from the rich and corporations. All things that most of us agree on.
Taxing corporate off shore income, Wall Street speculation tax, etc. look down the list. Most people will be paying less, saving anywhere from $2500 to $5000.

Here are the facts.




Look it over and see if the OP reflects the reality or is merely just deceptive to perpetuate a lie.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
71. My working stiff taxes will go up $100. My healthcare costs will go down by $15,000
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

Count me in.

What do you have against the filthy rich paying taxes like the rest of us? Why do you post limpballs talking points? Are hillarians actually republicans?

Svafa

(594 posts)
76. My taxes will go up a little.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:16 PM
Mar 2016

Unlike many, I get very good health insurance from my employer, so for me personally, the increased taxes won't be offset by health insurance savings. I am finished with school and have no debts. However, I still support Sanders' plan. I recognize that most people will benefit from his proposals. I want to live in a world where everyone has access to affordable health care and education.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
77. To get a ROI from My Tax
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:16 PM
Mar 2016

Dollar investment-to make Sure you, me and everybody else has good services, clean water, air, safe infrastructure etc, etc, etc...I. AM. All. In.
Aren't you?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,972 posts)
86. I seem to remember the last presidential candidate that ran on raising taxes
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

Back in 1984. He lost pretty badly.

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