Bernie paid his family out of campaign funds, Hillary did not.

[msanthrope]

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

If you look at the thread that claims that Hillary paid herself 250k, you notice something odd...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1410802

1) The claim has been completely debunked, by Skinner, the site owner himself, who kindly took the time to explain FEC regulations and campaign accounting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1411154

2) Using the same source as the OP of that thread, apparently Sanders paid his wife and daughter sums of money from campaign funds.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-and-wife-steered-campaign-nonprofit-money-to-family-and-friends/

That same source, The Free Beacon, also details how Jane Sanders, when she ran Burlington College, paid their daughter over 500k for a woodworking major...a major that was ended after she resigned.


It also led me to links that detail a 3.65 million dollar loan that Jane Sanders took out with the Diocese of Burlington....and a land deal that ended up with a local developer getting a 20 million dollar piece of property for 6 million---
http://vtdigger.org/2015/12/23/catholic-church-nailed-in-loan-settlement-with-burlington-college/

And that story led me to the interesting story of how a Teacher of the Year at Burlington College was fired, provoking student protests..
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/burlington-college-students-press-for-changes-after-profs-dismissal/Content?oid=2135730

Interestingly enough, Burlington College had no tenure, and no grievance policy for professors, according to that article.

And that story led me to another one detailing the Board's removal of Sanders from Burlington, mid semester, and details of what it was like to work for Jane Sanders.
http://vtdigger.org/2011/09/27/jane-sanders-resigns-presidency-of-burlington-college-reaches-settlement/

And another one, detailing the loans Jane Sanders made with People's and the Catholic Church..
http://vtdigger.org/2015/09/13/jane-sanders-overstated-donation-amounts-in-loan-application-for-burlington-college/

Interesting news. All flowing from one source.

[Logical]

1. Didn't read it but just more whining I assume form Hillary fans. nt

[msanthrope]

2. Oh...no whining. I appreciate being introduced to a new source. nt

[randome]

3. Seriously, you didn't see the breathless thread that claimed Clinton used a campaign slush fund?

It's epic in its cluelessness.
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[msanthrope]

11. I think Skinner's post about the OP, and the recs it got, says it all....

There was a time when people on this website used to treat right-wing rags like the Washington Free Beacon with the contempt they deserve. These days, people will gladly post right-wing garbage as long as it trashes the primary candidate they dislike. It happens all the time.

I'm watching this thread climb to the top of the Greatest Page, and frankly I'm finding it to be both hilarious and sad. Each new recommendation is a mark of shame on this website. It is a massive fail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1412317

[JaneyVee]

4. Awful.

[msanthrope]

5. And you know what? Never would have known HALF of this without that original

OP....

The article that details what it was like to work for Jane Sanders is a must read.

[NurseJackie]

6. Just To be clear ... these are not ordinary "in-kind" donations that ...

... merely look questionable because of convoluted FEC bookkeeping requirements, right?

[msanthrope]

8. No--Skinner kindly went on to explain that the inkind donations

are detailed---and anyone who wants to look for them can find them.

[NurseJackie]

13. Well then ... this IS concerning ...

... and a bit alarming in my opinion. From my perspective, it appears that it hasn't received enough scrutiny (as appears to be the case with much of his campaign, history and policies.)

[Vinca]

7. Wow . . . you sure are convincing me to vote for Hillary . . . NOT.

[msanthrope]

9. Not my job. nt

[Vinca]

15. Seriously? If I ever run for office, please promise not to support me.

[msanthrope]

18. Look....if the words "President Trump" don't motivate you to the polling booth, what

the hell am I gonna say to you that will convince you to vote for a woman, who (by looking at your own post on that thread) you think took campaign money?

[Omaha Steve]

23. President Sanders motivates me

[Autumn]

48. That's the only thing that motivates me Steve. Fear just doesn't work.

I have voted within the system all my life, for some reason the system doesn't seem to be working for the people. I think that when something isn't working it's time to stop doing that thing. I'm going to vote for myself and what motivates me.

[artislife]

49. Are you asking me to vote for Jill Stein? nt

[1939]

10. Faculty politics

Q: Why are faculty politics so violent?

A: Because the stakes are so small.

[msanthrope]

12. I was surprised to read that Jane Sanders did not support instituting tenure. nt

[NCTraveler]

14. .

On Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:27 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie is paid his family out of campaign funds, Hillary did not.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511416753

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Linking to a right wing rag like Free Beacon is not okay no matter which side does it, using it to attack Sen Sanders' wife is completely over-the-top. This is Democratic Underground, we shouldn't be helping the opposition.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:38 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This author was only linking to a "right wing rag like the Free Beacon" to balance the argument of a Bernie supporter who committed the initial sin of linking an attack on Hillary from that very same "right wing rag" in an effort to illustrate that we should ALL stand against said "right wing rag like the Free Beacon".
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: derp.

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[msanthrope]

16. Many thanks to the jury!!!! nt

[randome]

20. I didn't even notice the FreeBeacon link until now! That is awesome karma!

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[msanthrope]

31. Yes...I thank the original OP for giving us such a great source. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

39. LOL!

[Armstead]

43. You did a good job of bamboozling

"Sanders wife is the Anti-Christ.......But I'm just pointing out the fallacy of posting from the Free beacon"

[msanthrope]

45. you think the jury was bamboozled?

I think they understood the point that was trying to be made.

[NurseJackie]

28. Juror #1 gets it.

(As did jurors 2, 3, 4, and 7 ... but juror #1 took the time to try an enlighten others.)

[riversedge]

33. whow. just whow. At least the

jury gets the point of the OP

[NCTraveler]

17. Interesting what real information that other op brought us here. Nt

[msanthrope]

19. That OP was very helpful in providing loads and loads of links. nt

[retrowire]

21. The difference that you fail to see in your eager effort

to counter the fact that Hillary is involved in establishment ties is this...

None of this involves Sanders or his wife colluding with special interests, lobbyists, war criminals, smear jockeys or other deplorable characters. Thus, it doesn't affect how Bernie would ever run his White House.

None of these actions mentioned in the op correlate with the idea that he's beholden to anyone else.

So while the thread posted by someone about Hillary may not be true, all of these findings of yours are irrelevant to how Bernie would run things as president.

It's not just the way the big money is handled by campaigns that should concern anyone, its where it comes from and why.

but I'm sure you're patting yourself on the back for all this effort to smear Jane and Bernie. You know it makes sense for Bernie to pay his family in the campaign? They do officially work for his campaign sooo... yeah.

anyways, this mud won't stick.

[randome]

24. I would think the main point of the OP is to conclusively cancel out the original OP.

Which it does quite handily.
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[retrowire]

26. i thought Skinner's rebuttal did that sooo..

what's the point of this OP? lol

I'll answer that...

It's called reeeeaaaching. XD

[randome]

41. Obviously some didn't bother -or chose to ignore- those parts of the thread.

Which received numerous recs after Skinner's post. So this thread simply provides a little more context, no? If payments to a candidate or candidate's family from a campaign fund are unethical, then what does this mean for Sanders?
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[retrowire]

44. Sander's family officially work for the campaign...

as does Hillary's sooo... who said that part was unethical?

[randome]

50. What was the point of the original thread if not a poor attempt to trash Clinton?

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[retrowire]

51. well, it clearly was that. and it was disproved. so? nt

[Omaha Steve]

22. Bernie pays his interns, Hillary does not

https://hillaryforamerica.applytojob.com/apply/BX8xZl/Internship

Is the internship paid?
No, this is an unpaid internship. Interns will obtain an educational and professional experience in connection with their education or pursuit of a degree.


http://time.com/money/4215463/bernie-sanders-campaign-paid-internships/

Guess Which Presidential Candidate Is Actually Paying Interns

Snip: Except one campaign.

Greer and Grenell—using a paid intern, they carefully point out—reached out to all the campaigns and inquired about the employment and payment of interns. Only Bernie Sanders’ campaign said that it paid interns, to the tune of $10.10 per hour.

Though this is not the $15 dollar minimum wage Sanders wants, it stands out starkly to the other candidates intern pay of … $0. Ten bucks an hour is, as any math-lover will tell you, infinity times more than the others.

[ejbr]

25. Bravo/a

One of those rare occasions, she doesn't seem slimy. Well played.

[mcar]

27. Well done

[Barack_America]

29. Bill Clinton, anyone?

Now that we're smearing spouses.

Has he been associated with any scandals or nefarious activities that might make him unsuitable to be first spouse?

[djean111]

37. I know, right? There seems to be quite the blind spot there.

As if no one will bring up Bill's peccadillos and proclivities - while being President! - because he is soooo charming or because we have heard that before. That's not reality. And the charm is, quite frankly, gone.

[msanthrope]

46. Who cares? Seriously.....who cares

About a b****** that occurred in the 1990s?

[djean111]

47. The same people who expect us to care about old stuff about Bernie and Jane?

Oh, and there has been more than just a "b******" - Bill has been disbarred, censured and fined - for way more than just a b******.

[msanthrope]

59. Everything I wrote about is this century. Bill's dalliances?

Not so much.

[djean111]

61. Maybe they don't matter to you. That's cool.

When I mentioned Bill Clinton to mt grandson, he snickered. And I have never discussed Bill with him. I don't think other voters are going to use your timeline for deciding what is relevant and what is not, either.

Anyway, nothing Jane or Bernie did or does could get me to support a candidate who is for war and fracking and increased H-1B visas, and the Third Way of doing things, so there's that.

[msanthrope]

63. I don't give a crap about sex acts between adults. nt

[djean111]

65. That's fine. I don't either.

But you were already going to vote for Hillary. And it is not the "sex acts" that are important, really - it is the willingness to lie about them, and seeming inability to control them. Getting fined and disbarred, IMO, is kind of a big deal to me.

[msanthrope]

66. OFFS.....people lie about their affairs. It's what they do. nt

[Arazi]

30. This issue doesn't bother me for either candidate actually

I would imagine its not a deal breaker for 99% of voters.

Not paying interns is a much bigger problem imo and one I seriously dislike, beginning with HRC and extending all the way to corporations

[wyldwolf]

32. "FEC regulations and campaign accounting."

That kind of thing - rules, regulations, policies - don't matter to 'progressives.' Often, they've never heard of things like the FEC. On a broader scale, they're unaware of things like delegate counts, math, etc.

[msanthrope]

34. Math is Hard. After Lousiana, though, I expect exploding heads.

[wyldwolf]

36. Seriously, math is hard. And there are other electoral concepts that are difficult...

... especially if you're of the 'black or white, this or that' mentality, of which 'progressive' are for the most part.

[Dem2]

35. Don't care for these tit-for-tat posts

And please don't quote that wingnut source - Free Bacon - they have one job in life, slander Democrats.

I am glad that the slander against Hillary was rebuffed by Skinner though.

[UglyGreed]

38. Your other thread got locked

as meta now you post this new thread with the same complaint disguised as a Bernie corruption thread

[randome]

40. If one accepts the premise that payments through a campaign fund are unethical...

...then this is a very relevant thread, is it not?
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[UglyGreed]

42. Paying people to work is

unethical????? BTW in the other thread the poster claimed not trying to force or shame anyone yet here we are again after a lock

[UglyGreed]

52. BTW Hillary's family gets

paid by all the connections............

For Clintons, a Hedge Fund in the Family
By MATTHEW GOLDSTEIN and STEVE EDERMARCH 22, 2015

Since marrying Chelsea Clinton five years ago, Marc Mezvinsky, a money manager, appears to have settled into his life as Bill and Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law. He has regularly appeared at charitable events, once introducing the former president at the Clinton Foundation’s celebrity poker tournament by dryly saying, “You may have heard of my father-in-law.” And at the recent N.B.A. All-Star Game, Mr. Mezvinsky took a seat next to Mr. Clinton and his partner in charitable endeavors, Dikembe Mutombo, the former basketball star.

Beyond the glamour, being part of the Clinton family has provided Mr. Mezvinsky with another perk: access to wealthy investors with ties to the Clintons.

When Mr. Mezvinsky and his partners began raising money in 2011 for a new hedge fund firm, Eaglevale Partners, a number of investors in the firm were longtime supporters of the Clintons, according to interviews and financial documents reviewed by The New York Times. Tens of millions of dollars raised by Eaglevale can be attributed to investors with some relationship or link to the Clintons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html?_r=0

[ladjf]

53. According to reliable sources she has paid herself $250.000 . nt

"Hillary Clinton has paid herself over $250,000 from campaign money since April 2015.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/04/dead-broke-hillary-pays-herself-over-250k-from-campaign-coffers/#ixzz422tj0L3t"

[kydo]

54. Didn't you read

The source your reliable source was freebeacon. Said so right there on web page for the your link posted at end the of the second paragraph "The Washington Free Beacon reports."

Not a reliable source. Sorry.

on edit PS; nt stands for no text. Generally that means no text in the message. so next time ditch the nt in your title

According to reliable sources she has paid herself $250.000 . nt

As your post had text ...

Hillary Clinton has paid herself over $250,000 from campaign money since April 2015.

Read more: Edited because right wing sites for sources is an oxymoron

[ladjf]

57. I read all of that but couldn't tell which was which.

Maybe she didn't pay herself. But, she and Bill are worth 125 million and her daughter is a millionaire, we won't worry about her paying her family for their services.

[kydo]

58. Good for her for being able to make money

And good for her for paying people for their services.

[msanthrope]

56. The Daily Caller? I'm not surprised. nt

[bettyellen]

55. Glass houses and all.

[lumberjack_jeff]

60. Yes.... all from one source.

A person with some small amount of introspection, or I might suggest, shame, might take the fact that this is from one person with an axe to grind under consideration.

[msanthrope]

62. Actually....it's a number of sources flowing from that one rag. And since you rec'd

that original thread, you must be just fine with it.

[MaggieD]

64. Typical

They blame Hillary for things she didn't do while excusing Bernie for actually doing the thing they are criticizing her for.

[DesertRat]

67. k&r

[Hekate]

68. Things that make you go Hmmmmm. Thanks for keeping up!

[msanthrope]

70. always. nt

[Jitter65]

69. Like Trump's supporters it doesn't matter what is said or proven...supporters for both HRC and BS

set.

[itsrobert]

71. K&R, something fishy in the Sanders campaign

thanks

[msanthrope]

72. Would never have known it, but for a BS supporter providing the link. nt