Why does Hillary do so poorly in the mid-west and west?

[morningfog]

She has lost by some astounding margins. Why can't she connect with Democrats in the middle states?

For that matter, she has lost by some large margins in the northeast too.

I think the open question of the race is whether the Massachusetts results foretell those of the large liberal states.

We know Hillary will take the southern states, Bernie takes the rural Midwest and western states. Bernie will take the northeast states.

What can be determined about the large liberal states from that? Who, and by what margins, will take NY, NY, PA, CA, IL, for example?

And why does Hillary do so poorly in the middle of the country states? Could she even carry Colorado in the general?

[itsrobert]

1. Not following, the only state that voted in the West is Nevada

And Hillary won that state.

[morningfog]

4. Colorado.

[itsrobert]

13. Oh my gawd, if you include Colorado, you need to include Texas

Where Hillary stomped Bernie 2 to 1.

[morningfog]

15. My gawd. Include what you want. She's been stomped on lots of states. WHY?

Why has she lost so badly and what came she learn from it?

[itsrobert]

16. What, She won Nevada and Texas, Bernie won Colorado

Hillary won 70 percent of the latino vote in Texas. Where there is diversity, Clinton wins. And California is diverse. It's over. MATH!

[morningfog]

25. Why does she lose so badly elsewhere?

[Ed Suspicious]

29. It's not. Do better math.

Such fucking arrogance.

[pinebox]

98. Bernie won the Latino vote by huge margins in Colorado. Your point?

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/2/latino_vote_helps_bernie_sanders_surge

[itsrobert]

99. Small sample size

Caucus state. California is an actual primary with other stuff on the ballot.

[pinebox]

100. lol uh huh, goalposts moved much?

[Bluenorthwest]

91. The Western United States as defined by the Census Bureau:

Includes 13 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. In turn, this region is sub-divided into Mountain and Pacific areas.


Colorado very much the West, definitive Mountain West. Texas, not the West.

Where is it you live? I mean what part of the East?

[itsrobert]

97. I live in California, thank you.

I have also lived in El Paso, TX.

Regardless of the whole West region, there is a big difference between Colorado and California. California is far more diverse. And Hillary wins the more diverse states so far.

Colorado 70 percent Non-Hispanic whites
California 42.3 percent

Game over!

[MillennialDem]

96. Texas = the south

[leveymg]

106. Texas is Deep Red South, enemy territory (aside from Austin). Will go GOP in GE.

Colorado is purple and contestable. Hillary seems to do best in states that are Republican strongholds.

[wildeyed]

116. Texas is NOT the south.

Culturally, it is much different. The demographics are different, too. And in a few years it will not longer be "deep red" or possibly red at all, due to the latino vote.

[Samantha]

86. Sanders was winning Nevada up until the last week before the caucus

Then Harry Reid came to town to save the day, made some strategic phone calls, and as one person said, put his hand on the scale to tip it in the other direction. The point is she did not win it by myself -- she had help.

Sam

[senz]

120. I don't think she can win a fair election.

[Samantha]

122. Neither do I

She is just not credible. The flip-flopping, the deliberate lying, engaging two people to work with her campaign that are known for dirty tricks (Brock and Penn), and the dirty tricks themselves.

I was thinking just a a little while ago that these days are so reminiscent of the years Bill Clinton was in office. A distinct malaise settled over the Country that lasted until he and she left. Everyday there was a different soap opera, a scandal, or a nauseating rumor. These days are already starting to feel like those days. I don't think I can take another eight years of it again.

Sam

[HubertHeaver]

2. All very fair questions.

[yourout]

3. NAFTA and the other bull shit free trade agreements..

Did the biggest damage there.

[morningfog]

6. That makes sense. Could she carry Midwest swing states we need in GE?

[yourout]

11. Maybe but I would not bet on it.

[putitinD]

35. Michigan is still hurting from Nafta, and it wasn't long ago she said that TPP is the goldstandard

[Attorney in Texas]

5. In the West, even the Republican Western states (like Utah), the minority Democrats are Progressive.

In the Republican Southern states where the Dixiecrats once prevailed, the minority Democrats are NOT Progressive.

Clinton does much better with non-Progressive Democrats.

NOTE: When I refer to "minority Democrats," I mean "minority Democrats versus majority Republicans" - I'm not referring to ethnic or racial minorities.

[Hydra]

19. Minority Dem from Utah here

And yes, the Blues here are very blue, the reds here are a bit odd ducks, and the libertarians are insufferable.

We don't really have a lot of well off Dems here who are happy with republican policies.

[MADem]

7. Doesn't FT. WORTH TX call itself the "gateway to the west?" or "Where the West begins?"

And didn't she win Nevada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Worth,_Texas


It seems to me that she connects in states that have large populations.

She doesn't do as well in rural states with lots of gun owners.

[morningfog]

10. Colorado?

You don't really think these margins turn on gun ownership.

[MADem]

28. Weed?

She's a step in front of Warren, but a step behind Sanders on that issue.

[Aha]

39. "More research is needed"

Uh-huh.

[MADem]

81. She's behind Sanders and ahead of Warren. As I said.

It doesn't matter, really--that's one of those bullshit issues that the POTUS won't decide.

The states will carry that one over the line, just like they did marriage equality--they took that to the tipping point, and the Supremes saw the writing on the wall.

[Bluenorthwest]

93. Cannabis reform does not need the SCOTUS, it needs Congress or a strong Executive branch, AG and

President. My top two issues in life, marriage equality and cannabis legalization. You are lost on the reality and the details. It's also a very large mistake to lose Colorado and call cannabis legalization a bullshit issue, she lost because of that issue among others and here comes Oregon, also legal, Washington, also legal, Alaska also legal. Millions of voters worked hard and passed new laws which you say are bullshit issues in spite of the millions of persons and in spite of the growing new industry making new jobs we need. 'Jobs and medicine are bullshit issues' should be Hillary's motto in Oregon, see how that goes.

Plus of course, Hillary was strongly opposed to marriage equality until 2013, long after most Americans and she opposed it over a religious text that forbids her from holding office. Her tactics on marriage equality are nothing to be proud of, not a good thing to tout and to remind others about.

[Rebkeh]

14. Yes, guns is part of it

Gun control is not going to fly here. Hell no, cold dead hands. I'm in a populated area of MO/KS and it's a little nuts, go to the rural areas and ... forget it. It just will not happen.

[Gwhittey]

33. But Hillary

Is or did just have a NRA lobbyist raise money for her, does that not count?

[Rebkeh]

59. Her official policy is "anti-gun," the rest doesn't matter. Minds close tight after that. Nt

[loyalsister]

18. The St. Louis arch is the symbolic "gateway to the west" landmark

nt

[MADem]

22. Did you click on the link I provided? Did you read what it said?

The City of Fort Worth continues to be known as "where the West begins."[14]

[loyalsister]

61. Your post said "Gateway to the West"

The "Gateway Arch" is on the MO side of STL.

Some have questioned whether St. Louis really was—as Saarinen said[23]—the "Gateway to the West". Kansas City-born "deadline poet" Calvin Trillin wrote,[149]

I know you're thinking that there are considerable differences between T.S. Eliot and me. Yes, it is true that he was from St. Louis, which started calling itself the Gateway to the West after Eero Saarinen's Gateway Arch was erected, and I'm from Kansas City, where people think of St. Louis not as the Gateway to the West but as the Exit from the East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Arch

[Manifestor_of_Light]

69. Bernie won Austin, San Marcos, and Bryan/College Station. All college towns.

Austin - UT Austin and several other schools

San Marcos - Texas State University (dumb name), formerly Southwest Texas State Teachers' College, where Lyndon Johnson went to college and stole his first election, for Student Body President

Bryan/College Station - Texas A&M

[MADem]

80. Unsurprising, really. Hillary won the state. 65-33.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/texas

[Manifestor_of_Light]

83. She won my county 80-17.

(((FROWN)))

I figure if I put a Bernie sign in my yard I'd probably get firebombed. In 2008 and 2012 I had a large Obama sign on foam core board I had painted in my yard. Several times guys drove by in pickups yelling at us.

I also have a fence because these people have no boundaries and love to come up and bother you for work (which they won't show up for), or cig money, or try to con you out of something.

[MADem]

84. I don't do yard signs or bumper stickers.

People are crazy. They'll shoot your house or car.
Not worth it.

I've never been convinced to vote for someone as a consequence of a sign, anyway. At best I've gotten name recognition from them so I can do my own research (in local races). A lot of times the people with the most signs are the biggest assholes!

[Bluenorthwest]

92. The Western United States as defined by the Census Bureau

includes 13 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. In turn, this region is sub-divided into Mountain and Pacific areas.

Texas is not the West. No matter what Ft Worth calls itself. I know a guy calls himself Luke Skywalker. He isn't. Merced CA calls itself the 'Gateway to Yosemite' but Yosemite is 80 miles and two hours away, in another county and way up a mountain.....the two places are not at all the same....

[Rebkeh]

8. I can't speak to the others but

here near the MO/KS state line, people generally have a very strong independent streak. We have a lot of libertarians and libertarian leaning people, they don't trust the establishment. It doesn't surprise me the dems like Bernie better.

Another reason KS may have gone to Bernie is Brownback...he has been horrible for them over there. Just awful. Bernie is a breath of fresh air by comparison.

But, take it with a grain because I am not from here (originally from CA) and I haven't been here that long.

[reformist2]

9. She does terribly with white voters.

[Attorney in Texas]

12. It's not racial. She does terribly with Progressive voters.

[Hydra]

20. ^This

Team Hill seems to be obsessed about separating us into voting block groups. It's really a values divide rather than a social orientation thing.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. Yep. It is because voters realize she is not a progressive.

Some do not care. Some do.

[Hydra]

23. Others don't understand what she really stand for

I have one in my family- she thinks anything bad about Hillary is a RW smear. Gotta hand it to Team Hill- for the low info voters, when she promises things that will help them, they believe she is speaking to them directly and promising it.

I wish it were true.

[JonLeibowitz]

26. One of my friends is like that too.

She doesn't understand how I can present substantive criticisms of Clinton without it being from the right. Binary thinking.

Then she proceeds to quote/link Peter Daou to me, seemingly unaware he is on Brock's Wall St payroll

Also she's indicating a major motivation for her choice is to elect the first woman president.

This election has shown me how low information many voters really are. It's sad, because once you really know what they represent, the contrast is stark.

[Hydra]

31. It's the media's fault

I see her watching CNN and local news, and it's all crap. She comes back scared and upset about it all, and can't think clearly. Even the PBS news hour is really lacking in the useful info dept, which she also watches. She thinks she's well educated on the subjects when she is done, but basically she's been spoonfed propaganda that leads her to support the wrong people.

It's really horrifying to watch. It was worse when I had to sit through Fox Noise for more than an hour while at a job site and feeling my brain getting rewired to their worldview. As someone wise once posted, "They call it "Programming" for a reason. What are you choosing to program yourself with?"

[MADem]

32. You guys do realize that snarkily repeating the "low information voters meme" is probably the

best way to ensure that, even if Clinton was kidnapped and never heard from again, that those kind of insults will either encourage people to write in Jimmy Carter or keep 'em at home?

Real smart politicking there! "Hey, Stupid--How come you don't vote for my candidate?" is never a good vote-getting strategy.

smh!

[JonLeibowitz]

38. I didn't tell her she was a low information voter, though undoubtedly she is.

I'm not an asshole.

Of course, I, as we all do, form my own opinions of whether the person knows the issues and where the candidates stand on them well enough to make a well-informed choice.

[Hydra]

42. I'm sorry, I can't help it that Team Hill is counting on people not to check her record

That's kind of a weird thing to want in your supporters, isn't it? People who don't know what she'll actually do in the WH?

[JonLeibowitz]

46. It makes perfect sense, given her record.

She is winning based on vague concepts like experience, pragmatism, and having survived RW attacks. It's rather amazing how people have been "won over" by such a cynical pitch.

Of course it is also possible that the not so subtle message of vision of her candidacy is to be the first woman president, issues and values be damned.

[MADem]

51. Ever stop to think there are people who LIKE her record?

[JonLeibowitz]

55. There's something for every one, on each side of the issues.

So yes, I understand it.

[Bluenorthwest]

94. Yes I assume her supporters LIKE her years of crapping on LGBT rights for Jesus.....

That is exactly what I assume, that they are drawn to that uptight conservative view, that bigoted, atavistic hypocrisy. They are attracted to the history of saying 'we can't let them', they enjoy seeing public denigration of their neighbors and wish to reward her for doing that. Plus the Iraq War, they clearly like that too....

[MADem]

48. Ahhh, there it is. A double down!

Not only are they stupid, they don't check her record!!

Unreal....

[Hydra]

63. *Laughs*

You guys complain when we bring up her record(RW Smears!), so yes, I have to think you aren't interested in people knowing it.

Hillary personally has made as little effort as possible to speak about her platform and what she intends to do, so I don't think you guys are doing anything that isn't officially sanctioned by the campaign.

I want to personally thank your campaign, however, for misleading my relative. She thinks she'll get more SSI under a Clinton Admin because of Hillary's comments during one of the debates. Does that not equate to promising "free stuff" that cannot be delivered on for a vote?

[Gwhittey]

53. I care why?

Why do I care what people vote? And Why in hell should I care what people say on forum enough to cause me to change my vote? This kinda explain a lot, if you are not basing your vote on actions of candidate or their past voting records but on image of supporters then I guess that explains why people would vote for Hillary.

[Gwhittey]

44. This^

Take the carp now 1/2 DU are saying, that all Sanders supporters want is free stuff. My god I am a Ex-Republican that voted for Bush first time, skipped the next election because I started to realize that GOP was racist and insane the swiftboat shit made me walk away and then Voted for Obama mainly because Clinton pissed me off with racist crap. Now I see this election and wonder How in the frack did I get passed by a large part of Dem party going to the right being that I use to be right center? All same shit that pissed me off in GOP and drove me away is happening now.

-Race baiting which coming from a supposed candidate that is running for (D)
-Using dirty misleading tactics to accuse a person like Sanders of being racist.(Swiftboat anyone?)

[Hydra]

56. Welcome to the Party :)

And we're all kind of wondering how the hell it happened too. Our party leaders all tell us we're seeing things while they laugh their way to the bank.

We're working on what we want to do about that. I hope you'll add to that discussion.

[redstateblues]

30. Bernie is the one making promises

He knows he can't keep.

[Hydra]

37. Bernie is doing something more damaging than that, in a positive way

He's asking why we haven't done what he's proposing yet, when the rest of the civilized world(which we aren't part of) can.

If we can't do it, it's because we don't want to, or the people in charge don't represent us.

In contrast, Clinton is doing as little as she can to get elected, and protecting the people who are keeping us from moving toward sanity. Is that worth voting for?

[Gwhittey]

58. You are arguing with a I asuume

Democrat on a big time liberal forum about how universal healthcare would be good. And they are telling you it would not work. OMG I think I am in lala land. I never read/posted here after I made a account a few years ago because I was under impression this site was too liberal for me, just start posting just a while ago and I must say I think I am too liberal for this site now. Has DU always been this bad with people using "free stuff" like a GOPer would do?

[Hydra]

70. No, this is kind of a new thing here

Team Hillary reps here are pushing the idea that nothing can be done if we win the WH, we should just let Hillary have her "turn" and be done with it.

[reformist2]

88. And Hillary isn't promising anything at all.

[DURHAM D]

17. Guns nt

[morningfog]

27. Do you really think that's it? If so, she'd do poorly in GE.

[Gwhittey]

62. Well maybe not.

I mean she is taking money from a NRA lobbyist who is co-hosting a fundraiser with her chief camp staffer.

[Lizzie Poppet]

103. That's certainly one reason she'll motivate the GOP base like no other. (nm)

[Lorien]

24. She can't carry squat in the general

no candidate with even half as high an unfavorable rating as Hillary has has ever won a general election. The fact that she only does well in Red low information voter States is very telling.

[redstateblues]

34. The last Democrat that ran on raising taxes

On the middle class was Walter Mondale. He won ONE state. His home state MN. The Rs would make mincemeat out of Bernie and his schemes

[morningfog]

41. He Hillary has lost by big margins across the county.

[redstateblues]

43. She won more delegates than Bernie today

[morningfog]

52. Yet lost by big margins where she lost. You should be asking why.

You should want to know why she did so poorly.

Sanders has done poorly in only one region, the south. Everywhere else he had been competitive or won handily.

Bernie's southern losses have been discussed at length.

Why has Hillary lost so badly in multiple regions of the county? You should want to know.

[Gwhittey]

66. I would post

chewbacca defense as I did before but for some reason posting a quote from South Park got me my first hidden.

[Bread and Circus]

36. The Midwest got fucked by Bill Clinton that's why...NAFTA decimated my hometown and my homestate.

[Chitown Kev]

40. Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma are the "Plains" states

not the "Midwest"

The "Midwest" = The traditional Big 10 states

Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa...sometimes people throw in Missouri...

Hillary won Iowa (barely), Sanders won Minnesota big...

Hillary is on track to win Illinois and Michigan BIG (and Missouri?)...Ohio and Wisconsin looks to be tight (I actually expect Sanders to win Wisconsin)

[OZi]

45. Bernie does well where more people have access to internet.

Hillary does better where more people are limited to broadcast media and local newspapers.

Remember those exit polls from New Hampshire? "Honest and trustworthy" and "shares my values" are very big deals for people that have more information to decipher.

[Chitown Kev]

50. Is this a fucking joke?

[OZi]

57. 5% "honesty and trustworthy" plus 2% "shares my values"

Doesn't sound funny to me.

[Chitown Kev]

64. Then how do you account for the polls in Massachusetts

Who do you think is honest and trustworthy?


Only Clinton (7%) NO DATA

Only Sanders (37%) Sanders won these voters 90-9%

Both of them (48%) Clinton won these voters 75-25%

Neither of them (6%) NO DATA

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/massachusetts/exit/

[OZi]

85. New Hampshire: "Honest and Trustworthy" - 34%

New Hampshire: "Cares about people like me" - 26%

New Hampshire: "Can win in November" - 12%

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/new-hampshire-primaries-exit-polls/

Massachusetts: "Honest and Trustworthy" - 27%

Massachusetts: "Cares about people like me" - 23%

Massachusetts: ""Can win in November" - 20%

http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/massachusetts/exit/

People were making their choices based on different values. Honesty was nearly 3 times as import as "Can win in November" in New Hampshire. In Massachusetts, "Can win in November" was nearly as important as honesty.

People will overlook a lot when winning or losing is at stake. Do Patriots fans care about "Deflategate?"

[Number23]

65. This whole thread is a bunch of people desperately and nervously high fiving each other

So far we've seen it implied that Hillary does bad with white voters because they are "more progressive" which of course means that the too many to count black, Hispanic, Asian and other minorities that are voting for her are doing so because they're NOT progressive.

Now, they're back slapping over how "informed" they are too. More progressive, and more informed! That doesn't look at all like the things you say to yourself to make yourself feel better about things not going the way you want. Not even a little bit.

[Gwhittey]

68. Well callling someone ill informed

when they buy into GOP swiftboat tactics is really not a stretch.

[Chitown Kev]

71. And Bernie can do no wrong? his campaign cannot possibly be fucked up

when it comes to outreaching voters.

He can only fail or be failed...

[Number23]

72. Yeah, I saw your post downthread whining that Clinton is KILLING it with minority voters because

she has so effectively painted Sanders as a racist. It couldn't possibly be any other reason.

You just keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes this easier for you.

[Chitown Kev]

75. Number 23, what shall we do?

Tell me, chile...

[Number23]

78. Boy, you know what to do...

'Cause that's what I'm doing....

[Lizzie Poppet]

104. I don't think that (false) accusation of racism has much to do with it.

I wouldn't disrespect black voters by implying that they're stupid enough to fall for transparent horseshit like that.

I think a large part of Hillary's advantage with black voters is precisely because she is a far less progressive candidate. A lot of my fellow progressives make the mistake of assuming that because we share views on civil rights, black voters will thus embrace progressivism in general. That's a silly assumption.

Sure, some black voters are progressives, just like with every other racial demographic. But the millions of black Americans represent a huge range of political opinion...again, just like any other demographic. A not-insignificant number of these will be conservative-to-moderate in their politics...but unwilling to vote Republican, for obvious reasons. Who wants to support the candidates of a party that acts like it doesn't want you unless you're a high-profile black conservative?* So for these voters to look to Hillary Clinton, an obviously less-progressive candidate with a history of loyalty to civil rights reformers, makes perfect sense.

Do I think these voters would be well-served by prioritizing economic justice and re-considering Bernie as a candidate? Of course I do...that's my take on any non-1%'er. But I don't have any right to demand or expect that...only suggest it (and in a civil way).

* I want to mention just how tragically ironic is is that the party of Lincoln contains so many racists and that its political actions are often so harmful to black Americans. That is so messed up...it's pissing on that party's history.

[Number23]

118. No offense but I've seen enough of your posts on race here to not really have much interest

in your perspective on anything race related. Or just about anything for that matter.

But still, thanks for "applauding" that black people have the right to vote a few days ago. Again, that was so incredibly kind of you.

[consciouslocs]

87. Bless their hearts

[MineralMan]

101. Everyone has access to the Internet these days.

There's no region in the US where people don't have access. It's 2016, not 1996.

[OZi]

119. 100%?

Only 78% of people in rural areas use internet.

Maybe I misspoke, maybe I should have used the word "use." In addition to my original comment, not everyone has cable. Some people ONLY have local TV and local newspapers for information. 100% of people are not getting information online and internet usage does vary by region.

"As internet use nears saturation for some groups, a look at patterns of adoption"
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/06/26/americans-internet-access-2000-2015/

From 2013:
http://www.cybercollege.com/letter33.htm

A study from 2005 that finds a correlation between income and voting rates and internet access:
http://www.firstmonday.dk/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1216/1136

Maybe if all libraries and everyone has friends with internet, I guess you could argue everyone has access to internet. It isn't free where I live. Devices to use it aren't free. Just a few years ago, I lived in an area where the only options for high-speed internet were satellite or ISDN. Have you ever had to consider having to pay $20 a month for dial-up at any time in the past 6 years?

[oberliner]

121. Sanders does better in rural areas, Hillary does better in urban ones

For what that is worth.

[book_worm]

47. We will see how things look after Michigan

and the question will continue to be: Can Bernie win any state that isn't overwhelmingly white?

[morningfog]

54. Why can't Hillary win in those states though?

She had every advantage. Why is she getting blown out in multiple regions?

You can explain Bernie's losses in the south as his failure with AA voters.

What is the explanation for Hilary's failure?

[Chitown Kev]

67. Hillary is up by 25 points in Michigan

She is winning black and white voters in Michigan

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/05/clinton-has-big-lead-sanders-michigan/81270490/

[Gwhittey]

73. Polls of the land line type are very inaccurate.

The demo that Sanders excels in a lot of them do not typically have land lines. The stupid polling companies did not take into account the new trend called cell phones. And most list poling places are using are basically phone books. Wonder why we don't see more email polls.

I know my dad is getting called all time on land line and I have never got one on cell phone(I know anecdotal evidence.). Is that not what happened in 2 states here where polls had him losing one and barely winning another?

[Chitown Kev]

76. I'm sorry, Hillary is gonna crush Bernie in Michigan

[Gwhittey]

60. Yea odd isn't it

It is almost like HRC camp had lied and made a narrative that Sanders was a racist or something. I am surprised she did not get Swift boat guys to come and do that just to really convince us she was as dirty as a GOP member.

[BillZBubb]

102. She got David Brock who is more slimy that any swiftboater.

[longship]

49. Wrong question: why does she do so poorly against the GOP?

As it stands now, if she's nominated, she could easily lose in November.

Granted, now isn't November, but I don't recall Bernie being under federal investigation. And as of now, Bernie demolishes all the GOP candidates.

There's one thing. This is one scary election season.

[creeksneakers2]

74. Bernie polls a little better now

But if Bernie becomes the apparent nominee the commercials will start. All Summer and Fall the airwaves will be filled with films of people having heart attacks and being told they'll have to wait nine months for an appointment; bread lines in Venezuela; and people unable to pay their bills because their taxes are too high.

Perhaps Bernie could survive that. So far this year advertisements haven't been as effective as they used to be. But I'm pretty sure that all that would have to hurt Bernie at least a little bit, enough to bring him down to or even below Hillary's scores.

[longship]

79. We'll see.

Bernie has an awesome approval percent, though.

And Hillary's is horrible.

I don't know what we're going to have to do to get her elected in November if she gets the nomination. Plus, she's under federal investigation, not good in an election year, as these things go.

She'll have my vote, but I am a bit worried. The GOP despise her == few cross-over votes.

[BainsBane]

77. Sanders does better in states with

overwhelming white populations,particularly in caucus states where turnout is low. His campaign announced a couple of moths ago that their strategy was to target those states. Clinton trounces him in states with high populations of color.

Region doesn't matter nearly as much as the racial composition of the voter turnout in a given state. (I expect we will see different results in Michigan and IL, also Midwestern.) This shouldn't be a mystery to anyone at this point. Electoral data is conclusive on the point.

Sanders message strikes a cord with white people who have seen their standard of living flatten or decline in the last couple of decades. For people who were poor and disenfranchised, and deprived of equal rights in the halcyon days of the white middle class, that message quite understandably doesn't have the same resonance.

As much as the right and some "progressives" like to pretend race doesn't matter, that is not the nature of the society we live in or its history--and history is evoked during this election.

Clinton doesn't have the same appeal among the white bourgeoisie that Sanders does because her campaign doesn't place their frustration at its center. It's not that Sanders seeks to exclude non-whites. He explicitly tries to include them. But his ideological framework is based on class exploitation as he experiences and understands it. Clinton instead takes the more typical Democratic approach of appealing to the party's key constituencies and as a result she does better with them.

[thereismore]

82. Great question

[DrDan]

89. it was wise to ask these questions before Ohio, Michigan and Illinois

[morningfog]

95. Thank you.

[DCBob]

90. What are you talking about? She won Nevada and Texas..

and leads in the polling in several mid-west states.

[wyldwolf]

111. Look up-thread. To make the OP's theory work, Texas is no longer in the West.

[DCBob]

112. LOL..

He needs a geography lesson! I think this is the most accepted and logical division of the states..

[Mopar151]

105. Bank failures and crooked bankers are the enemy!!!

Farmers, and rural folks in general, have a well placed distrust & disgust of banks. Throw in anyone who inteded to live on intrest from their savings in retirement, and those various financial hustlers who prey on, well, dammnear anyone...... And you have a lot of voters ready for Bernie.

[Orsino]

107. "Poorly" does not describe her vote-getting ability in any state. n/t

[morningfog]

108. NH, VT, OK, KS were very poor performances. CO and MN ERE NOT GOOD.

[Orsino]

109. Neither does "poor." n/t

[morningfog]

110. I guess you have not looked at the results or just don't understand?

She got exactly zero delegates in VT, did not even break 15%. That is a piss poor performance by any objective measure.

[Orsino]

113. Still not poor.

Also, Vermont, in the extreme northeastern part of the midwest, was an early Sanders stronghold.

[morningfog]

115. Lol. Whatever dude.

[pdsimdars]

114. They have a better education system . . simple as that.

[wildeyed]

117. False premise.

You first have to prove that she has done poorly in the mid-west and west. Only then can you ask why. Looking at the map, I don't see that. Most have not even voted

And this has nothing to do with the GE. This is about Democratic primary voters choosing a candidate for the GE. Are you implying that MA will go for Trump in the GE?