Homepage of Detroit Free Press: "Hillary Clinton hits Bernie Sanders on auto rescue vote in Flint…"

[stevenleser]

This is on their home page

http://www.freep.com/

FLINT – With Michigan issues consuming much of the back and forth in a spirited debate Sunday night between the Democratic presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton surprised rival Bernie Sanders by accusing him of failing to support the 2009 auto rescue
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[think]

1. " the month before he had voted in favor of an auto rescue plan that failed in the Senate"

Sanders seemed shocked by the suggestion since the month before he had voted in favor of an auto rescue plan that failed in the Senate and explained that his vote was more about stopping corporate welfare for failed Wall Street financial institutions under the Troubled Asset Relief Program. But the auto bailout was part of TARP and, at the time, then-President-elect Barack Obama urged support for TARP.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2016/03/06/clinton-hits-sanders-auto-rescue-vote-flint-debate/81422798/

[DCBob]

58. Well he got it right once when didn't really matter and wrong twice when it did matter.

Hillary got it right every time.

Bernie is toast.

[think]

66. No. The bankers got bailed out instead of being prosecuted for their corruption

And the American people were left to suffer. Iceland prosecuted their corrupt bankers. That's getting it right. That's what Bernie wanted.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-09-12/iceland-prosecutor-investigates-convicts-bankers-for-financial-crimes

Instead Hillary chose to bail out the crooks and left the American people to lose out. Now these too big to fail corrupt banks are even larger and more powerful.

Bernie made the right call. He's not in the pocket of corrupt banks and corporations like Hillary.

[putitinD]

2. the Detroit Free Press used to be an excellent paper, now it is just a scab paper

[oasis]

14. "Scab" newspapers are not reliable as far as facts are concerned. Got it.

[stevenleser]

17. Their protestations get more pathetic everyday. nt

[putitinD]

29. not really, not since they busted their union and merged with the Detroit News, I don't trust their

"facts" anymore. They used to be a fairly liberal news source. Now they lean pretty far right.

[bigtree]

48. this isn't a national secret

...no matter how much Sanders folks here fudge the issue.

Do yourself a favor and read what actually happened.

[grossproffit]

57. It would be the greatest paper in the world if the headline were reversed.

[Loudestlib]

3. The auto industry was decimated by NAFTA.

Hillary Clinton Said Outsourcing ‘Benefited’ America After She Criticized Bush Officials For Saying The Same Thing

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-said-outsourcing-benefited-america-after-she-criticized-bush

Just out of curiosity, do you work (or compensated) for either candidates or a super PAC?

[stevenleser]

4. There wouldn't be any auto industry if Bernie had gotten his way.

Just out of curiosity, do you work (or compensated) for either candidates or a super PAC?

And how many other DUers have you asked that question about? And how many of them are Bernie supporters?

[Electric Monk]

6. He voted Yes when in 2008 the bailout was JUST for the auto industry.

He voted no when it was rolled into a HUGE Wall Street giveaway. As he should have.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/706655455930621952

[Loudestlib]

7. And how many other DUers have you asked that question about?

Are you going to answer the question?

[stevenleser]

10. Nope, I'm not compensated by campaigns or PACs/SuperPACs. Your question is insulting.

I await your apology.

[Loudestlib]

18. You'll be waiting a long time then.

You're a TV pundit. It was a legitimate question. n/t

[stevenleser]

20. I'm not the slightest bit surprised.

It was not a legitimate question. And only classy people apologize when they have been unnecessarily insulting.

As I said, I am not surprised.

[Ned_Devine]

33. The question was legit

[oasis]

21. All DUers should release their transcripts by next Tuesday.

[Loudestlib]

26. I don't have a problem with that. Some of us like the truth.

[John Poet]

28. Ut oh, Steven Leser has said that you're "not classy".

Are you hurt?

Are you devastated?

Are you now going to cry yourself to sleep every night?


LOL!

To be called "not classy" by a guy who insists on posting Hillary-propaganda links from that slime David Brock as if they are a legitimate "news source" should be considered a compliment.

[Loudestlib]

30. Ha!

He calls Bernie a snake-oil salesman and refers to his supporters as Bernie-Bros. I think I'm in good company

[stevenleser]

34. LMAO, well played.

[think]

11. No. If Bernie had his way the auto industry would've been bailed out but the banks wouldn't have.

It's right there in the article you posted.

[Lizzie Poppet]

22. Because Ford and Tesla don't exist.

[dchill]

27. Oh, you mean the auto industry in MEXICO?

[Agony]

64. Clinton twisted a Sanders vote ... to claim he was “against the auto bailout.” Factcheck

Clinton twisted a Sanders vote on the Wall Street bailout package to claim he was “against the auto bailout.”

"So Clinton’s claim that her Jan. 15, 2009, vote was “to save the auto industry” is — to be charitable — quite a stretch."

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/factchecking-the-seventh-democratic-debate/

[sufrommich]

50. Nobody in Michigan or Ohio is going to buy that line.

The auto industry was decimated way before NAFTA,and it was decimated by Americans choosing non union made foreign cars. We were there,we saw what really happened.

[jfern]

5. By the same standard, Debbie Stabenow opposed the auto bailout

Hillary was very misleading.

[Barack_America]

8. NAFTA is much more significant than the bailout...

...a fact MI voters are well aware of. Many of the jobs "saved" by the bailout have since gone, or are going, to Mexico, thanks to NAFTA.

Case in point:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/01/05/obama-visits-wayne/21290221/

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2015/07/09/ford-focus-uaw-contract-mexico/29918345/

Just for fun, both the same source as your OP.

[stevenleser]

12. Nope, it's not. You can't divide by zero. There would be zero auto industry without the bailout. nt

[Octafish]

15. You don't know what you're talking about, Steven Leser.

Ford didn't take a penny of bailout money.

[Barack_America]

25. Ford was smart. They sold off a lot of property, including their headquarters...

...before the collapse. So they had cash on hand.

But, as I explained to Mr. Leser earlier, the damage had already been done (and continues to be done) to the MI economy by NAFTA. Many of the jobs "saved" by the bailout have already shipped off to Mexico.

And I am 100% certain Sanders knew his vote wasn't necessary for the bailout to pass, allowing him to cast his vote in protest. You would think that Mr. Leser would also be aware of that detail of DC politics.

[Octafish]

32. He skips the understanding part to go straight to the punditry.

Why waste time when you got stuff to say?

[Barack_America]

19. Did you just MichiSplain me?

Dude, I live here. I grew up here. I have many, many family members who watched their jobs go to Mexico well before 2009. In fact, I had ZERO family members left in the auto industry before 2009 due to forced early retirement and plant closures. Divide that by the bailout.

[stevenleser]

23. Congratulations. My point stands. There would be no auto industry without the bailout. nt

[Ned_Devine]

35. But do you understand why he opposed it?

Or is it just about shallow headlines?

[stevenleser]

39. I know his excuse. I watched the debate. I give it as much credence as Michiganders are

about to give it.

Bernie threw the auto-industry under the bus to satisfy his single-mindedness against his white whale.

[Ned_Devine]

41. If that other poster hadn't mentioned that you were a pundit, I wouldn't have known

I'd never heard of you before. Once you throw your support behind a candidate, can you still be considered a pundit or do you act as more of a strategist for the campaign?

[stevenleser]

42. Whatever. Back to the point, I know his excuse. I watched the debate. I give it as much credence as

Michiganders are about to give it.

Bernie threw the auto-industry under the bus to satisfy his single-mindedness against his white whale.

[Ned_Devine]

43. I was asking politely

Why did you just blow off my question? Not just that, but what's a guy with TV cred doing here on a website talking trash at 2am? You're THAT devoted to HRC 2016?

[stevenleser]

46. In my experience, people getting personal in the middle of a political discussion where there is

disagreement aren't doing it to be polite.

And you again proved that.

[aspirant]

59. Your family is personal, your job is public.

[Ned_Devine]

75. There was nothing impolite in anything I wrote

You're just dodging my question and that's fine, but please don't say I was being impolite. You're a public figure who makes television appearances and weighs in offering his opinions and strategies on the "horse race". I want to know where the line is between pundit and campaign strategist.

[aspirant]

61. What is his "WHITE whale"?

[John Poet]

31. However, you can't say that there would have been no auto bailout

without passage of the TARP bill package.

All you can *truthfully* say is, that would have been no auto bailout that was passed as part of the TARP package.

If that had failed, the auto bailout would likely have been re-introduced elsewhere as an independent bill.

This is simply another distortion by Hillary & co. about who voted for or against packages of legislation because of their elements.

It is OK to have been against the TARP provisions. Too bad the auto bailout was part of the same package, so that Hillary and her shills could misrepresent the vote.

[Major Hogwash]

38. NAFTA caused much more damage AND the auto bailout bill passed despite Bernie's vote.

So, it doesn't matter to people actually living in Detroit, they know who caused the auto industry to collapse, no matter what witty lines Hillary spews.

[NowSam]

9. The media is in partnership

with the Weathervane candidate.

[Octafish]

13. Gannett paper is ANTI-UNION.

Just like Walmart.

And just as corporate conservative.

[Major Hogwash]

24. So is Hillary, that's why Glass-Stegall was thrown out in 1998.

So the banks could come in and realign where people live in Detroit.

[Octafish]

36. You know UBS Wealth Management?

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought in former President Bill Clinton to the Wealth Management team. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what are a few hundred million in speaking fees compared to a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

The fact the nation's "news media" don't should also be of great concern.

[Major Hogwash]

37. I never saw that before.

Belongs as a separate OP, as far as I'm concerned.

[Octafish]

40. Thanks. I try bringing it up, but it does need broader exposure.

One example:

Hillary Helped UBS—and Then the Bank Funneled Millions to the Clintons

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511200048

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Ouch. nt

[stevenleser]

44. kick nt

[ucrdem]

45. Fatal blow.

Very fatal.

[riversedge]

47. Sanders "appeared visibly angry and on edge...." Yes he did. Sanders was frustrated and did not

come across good at all. Not presidential with his gestures, head shaking and constant finger wagging--getting into Hillary's personal space!!





http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-flint-michigan-2016-highlights-analysis/



.....If Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders was looking for a debate performance Sunday night that would change the trajectory of his Democratic nomination fight with front-runner Hillary Clinton, he didn't get one.

The Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate appeared visibly angry and on edge at points during the candidates' seventh time on the debate stage together, this time in Flint, Mich., hosted by CNN. And while he landed a few blows on Clinton over her ties to Wall Street and the issue of trade, he stumbled responding to Clinton's attack on his opposition to the auto bailout and at one point defended gun manufacturers.

Despite Sanders's victory Sunday night in the Maine caucuses, Clinton still has a significant delegate lead that will be difficult for him to overcome. He needed a big moment Sunday night to improve his prospects, and the debate didn't give him one............... ........................

[Armstead]

71. Being lied about would make me visibly angry too

[bigtree]

49. k&r

[Hoyt]

51. Not surprising. Sanders doesn't like big corporations, even if they provide good jobs.

[Octafish]

56. Good jobs that pay 25 cents an hour in Vietnam.

Same ones that paid $25 an hour in the USA.

Those corporations.

[Armstead]

70. No he doesn't like them when they act like shitheads and destroy good jobs

[betsuni]

52. Sanders on Detroit and Flint (ABC This Week):

"... honestly I didn't know this until a week ago that in 1960, it turns out, Detroit was one of the wealthiest cities in America. Flint, Michigan, which today is mired in terrible poverty, was an extremely prosperous city."

WHAT. How does he not know this? What the hell. Rapidly losing all respect.

[Octafish]

55. Corporate McPravda doesn't bring it up.

Texas school books don't mention it.

One big reason is that the monied class doesn't like Americans to know how important unions are for creating the middle class.

How many times does Detroit get mentioned for anything other than urban decay, crime, and Blacks?

I keep track of such things. I live and work in Detroit.

[betsuni]

60. Nope. I know about Detroit because I'm not a teenager. Sanders isn't either.

Common knowledge, American history. Duh.

[Octafish]

65. Really? So, what do you know about the Detroit bankruptcy?

What common knowledge do you possess on that? Please, don't GOOGLE, I want to know what you know.

[betsuni]

67. What? Who doesn't know that Detroit was one of the wealthiest cities in America?

[Octafish]

68. Great, you said that. There's more to the story and it goes largely unreported.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, one of the better informed presidential candidates in my memory, admitted he did not know the full story of Detroit.

My point is that most people don't know as much as you, thanks to a corporate owned news media and an underfunded and mismanaged public school system.

I congratulate you on your memory.

[betsuni]

72. If you're alive when things happen, you don't have to learn about them from history class.

Best thing about being old! And documentaries like Michael Moore's "Roger & Me" have been around for decades. But if you're in love, then tra la la la la.

[Octafish]

74. Agree 100-percent.

Bernie must not get out much.

ETA: If you want to learn more about Detroit and the bankruptcy from a non-corporate, socialist perspective:

https://www.wsws.org/topics/newsCategory/detr/

[noamnety]

53. This the the paper that ENDORSED RICK SNYDER. (nt)

[Broward]

54. Headline should be: Hillary lies about Bernie's opposition to auto bailout.

We have a failing media and a lying candidate in Hillary. Unfortunately, some of her supporters take her lies and run with them. This country is screwed when so many in both sides of the aisle are working against the interests of most Americans. The lying only serves to confuse which side everyone is on.

[DCBob]

62. This from the article..

“If everybody had voted as he did I believe the auto industry would have collapsed,” said Clinton, who as a U.S. senator from New York at the time voted along with Michigan’s senators to ensure the funding was available. “You were either for saving the auto industry or you were against it.”

That's going to stick.

[Armstead]

69. A Clinton LIE

He was FOR saving the auto industry.

He was simply trying to separate it from the Bail Out of Crooked Banks and Wall St. Sharks.

[DCBob]

73. No it wasnt.

If that bill failed, then no bailout and the auto industry goes down the tubes.

[think]

76. Bail out corrupt banks that should've been prosecuted or the auto industry can't be bailed out too

got it....

[mcar]

63. K&R