Five reasons Bernie Sanders lost last night’s Democratic debate

[NCTraveler]

Instead, in the seventh Democratic debate, Sanders found himself on the defensive for the first time ever over his vote against the auto bailout. He poorly handled delicate racial and gender dynamics. He seemed angry, and he came across as someone who is running to make a point – not to win. He even managed to offend the mentally ill.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/03/07/daily-202-five-reasons-bernie-sanders-lost-last-night-s-democratic-debate/56dcf1e6981b92a22d730a5d/

[NowSam]

1. Laughable. Bernie crushed it

He won handily.

[stonecutter357]

8. .

[CalvinballPro]

14. How? What's changed today? Michigan votes tomorrow, how has Sanders moved the needle?

[NowSam]

16. 5 point difference in a recent poll

That is certainly manageable.

It's all theater but Bernie won the debate by being real as opposed to her.

[CalvinballPro]

18. The margins from the most recent polls are: Clinton +13, +37, and +24

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_democratic_presidential_primary-5224.html

Not sure what you're looking at.

[NowSam]

19. Here you go

http://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2016/trump-leads-gop-field-in-michigan-democratic-race-close/?utm_campaign=media-pitch&utm_medium=email

[Chichiri]

28. Whoops. That's 55-43 among certain voters. nt

[Qutzupalotl]

36. It's an open primary

and that poll shows Democrats only. Independents and Republicans can cross over if they want a sane alternative. I doubt Clinton will get many of those, but Bernie could.

[Go Vols]

43. yep

[Lizzie Poppet]

2. Nice planted axiom!

Bernie made Hillary look like the ill-mannered corporate tool she is.

[NowSam]

20. Indeed he did

He exposed her for what she is.

[dchill]

27. When you plant an axiom, what grows is fertilizer.

[Lizzie Poppet]

39. Ha!

[Jester Messiah]

3. More psy-ops from the usual suspects.

I swear, if it weren't for dirty tricks and corruption the Hillary campaign wouldn't have anything at all.

[MaggieD]

6. Oh please - every article I have read pans him

There are no "usual suspects" here. In fact, DU is the only place I am seeing that doesn't think he blew it big time. LOL - Maybe the Bernie propaganda site USUNCUT gave him a rave review?

It was bad, bad, bad.

[Jester Messiah]

10. As one of the "usual suspects" yourself, you would say so.

Sorry (not sorry) but you have zero credibility with me.

[NCTraveler]

13. Can I be a "usual suspect"? Always wanted to be one.

First, are you the arbiter of "usual suspects"? I don't want clearance from someone who isn't authorized.

[Jester Messiah]

24. Top of the list, of course!

But the real question is this: can you post in the Hillary Clinton group? If so, you may be a Usual Suspect, since only those unflaggingly loyal to and unquestioning of Her Majesty may post there.

[NCTraveler]

26. I can post in the Clinton Group.

I'm banned from the Sanders Group. I was banned minutes after making this op.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099

Bwahahahah. No bullshit. My only post in the Sanders Group.

"If so, you may be a Usual Suspect, since only those unflaggingly loyal to and unquestioning of Her Majesty may post there."

Might want to reconsider your thoughts here. Sometimes brevity is beneficial in a conversation. I seriously laughed out loud. Thanks.

[redstateblues]

34. As opposed to how the Sanders group operates.

I uttered a question about St Bernie and I was blocked

[MaggieD]

4. It was embarrassing for him, IMO

Worst I've ever seen him. I was cringing for him at various points. I hope the ratings were good. Every American even considering voting for him needs to see that. THAT was the real Bernie, and it was awful.

[NurseJackie]

25. It wasn't very flattering. Not the type of ...

... behavior I'd want to see in my president. If be embarrassed if Hillary was like that. (Can you imagine the howls from the other side if Hillary had been wagging her finger and flailing her hands?)

Hillary is composed, knowledgeable, detailed, thoughtful, calm, poised, direct and in control.

[MaggieD]

29. Nothing presidential about Bernie

Just his habit of using demeaning language such as "well guess what...?" to preface half his statements is enough for me to say no way to him. I wouldn't hire someone who talked like that to be a clerk in my business let alone as president.

[NurseJackie]

47. "Well guess what" sounds like something you'd hear during a snarky exchange ...

... on a political web site. It makes me wonder WHO exactly is prepping him during his debate practice sessions?

Did he "learn" it from his staff (through osmosis) or is this always been a demeaning verbal habit of his? It seems logical to assume that his debate prep-team would have noticed it and told him to tone it down a smidge ... so, that makes me wonder if they're oblivious and fail to give him good advice; or do they think it's good for his image and just let-it-ride; or is he just ignoring their advice; or does he even have practice debates at all?

Whatever the answer is, it doesn't paint a very flattering image of the candidate or the inner workings of his campaign.

Any word on his130 experts, MaggieD?

[Cleita]

5. And yet I'm hearing on the progressive media that he did better

than the previous debates where Hillary did better. The fact she tried to filibuster him when he was winning points showed desperation on her part.

[MaggieD]

7. Link?

[Cleita]

12. Local radio. No link. However friend who follows

Twitter say much of the same there so you can look there.

[MaggieD]

17. My local radio says he blew it

As does every article I have read. Last night I was wondering if he would be called out for all the nonsense, and this morning I woke to see yes, he was.

[Cleita]

49. For myself. I think they both did well sticking to the issues.

So it's pretty disingenuous to say one lost and one won. Each one won over their own partisans with their policy points. I'm being very honest here, but if you want to go back to the poo slinging, have at it.

[Lizzie Poppet]

22. How a media outlet views Bernie's performance depends on how corporate that outlet is.

That he's getting slammed (for utterly bullshit reasons) by the big corporate outlets is a surprise...said no one, ever.

[Cleita]

50. I don't listen to big corporate outlets, so I haven't heard anything bad about either candidate for

that matter. Although the pundits I listen to thought Bernie owned the debate with his down to earth policy points.

[stonecutter357]

9. K&R!

[Hortensis]

11. Bernie was surprised at being hit on the

auto bailout issue in Michigan? Ok, that surprises me. Being caught unprepared -- on a serious point of vulnerability -- very interesting to local viewers -- early in a debate -- sounds like something to be avoided.

[JonLeibowitz]

15. Perhaps he was shocked that Hillary would lie so desperately ?

I wouldn't be given her tenuous relationship with the truth

[Hortensis]

40. This forum is afloat in lies. But NOT Hillary's.

Hillary's statement gave Bernie the opportunity to explain his position in such a way that Michiganers would have respected it. He failed. Blame him.

"Bernie's Bailout Cop-Out:
Clinton makes the important point that, on a key piece of legislation, which helped save millions of jobs, Sanders voted no. Yes, he supported other bailout bills, but this one was where the rubber was meeting the road. The unhappy fact of politics is that legislation is often imperfect and often has unpalatable provisions. As the Detroit Free Press explains: "In short, a Senator or congressman could not vote to rescue GM and Chrysler without voting to provide the money to keep the nation's largest investment banks from failing."

As Clinton put it later in the debate: "As we all know, there are bills in congress that have bad stuff, there are bills in congress that have good stuff. Good stuff and bad stuff in the same bill." And that's why you sometimes have to vote for bills with bad stuff – to get the good stuff. No wait, I'm sorry – Clinton didn't say that. Sanders did. And it's not the first time either. He has in the past ascribed votes benefiting the gun industry to the fact that he comes from a rural, pro-gun state. So the politics of practicality are fine, except for when they're not."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/articles/2016-03-06/auto-bailout-debate-moment-shows-whats-wrong-with-bernie-sanders

[Lizzie Poppet]

21. Caught by a pretty blatant misrepresentation? Yeah, I actually fault him for that, too.

Not expecting lies from the Clinton camp is surprisingly naive.

[ecstatic]

23. Can you imagine how unprepared he'd be in a GE debate?

The GOP is coddling him right now, hoping he somehow wins the nomination. Bernie would be torn to shreds! He doesn't have the skill set to calmly and effectively defend himself.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. Bernie would rip any of the three remaining clowns to pieces.

I realize that's not much of a compliment, though...that's one hell of a low bar.

[lunamagica]

33. Because it's all about Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street

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[retrowire]

30. B-but LA Times said it was Hillary that was put on the defensive!

Fuck! Whatever should I believe! The MSM keeps telling me what to think! boo hooo!

Oh wait, I've got my own stance. Bernie won.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-democratic-debate-20160306-story.html

[Peregrine Took]

31. Nice try! Give you a B- for effort. n/t

[basselope]

32. Almost sad that he is too much of a gentleman to just call her a liar.

[redstateblues]

35. Like the true career politician he is, he just insinuates it.

[basselope]

45. LOL. Whatever you have to tell yourself.

[Nanjeanne]

37. So when Ashley Williams interrupted Clinton at her fundraiser

and Hillary told her to not interrupt and to let her continue talking . . . that was not sexist because Hillary and Ashley are both women?

Just want to keep my stories straight.

[NCTraveler]

38. What? Seriously? lol. nt.

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Obviously Ashley Williams is a gender traitor!

*glances into her sweats*

Oh, no! A vagina! I must be a gender traitor, too...

[MrWendel]

52. Ashley Williams...

surrogate for Bernie Sanders and Cornell West is your example?


ashley williams
‏@Ash_Bash23

@CornelWest !!!!!! #GanttSymposium

[Nanjeanne]

68. OMG Ashley Williams is standing in front of Cornel West & some woman with blonde hair. The Outrage!

Great reason for Hillary to be so rude to her I guess.

[MrWendel]

69. You mean like...

the manufactured outrage for that choreographed protest at that event? BLM doesn't choose sides.

[Nanjeanne]

70. What manufacturered outrage? This young woman asked Hillary a question and got a response

from Hillary. If people were outraged it was at the condescending answer Hillary gave her. Was that manufacturered?

Personally, as a woman, I was much more disturbed by Hillary's condescension than Ashley's question. Whether she knows or doesn't know West is completely unimportant to me. It's quite possible to be at the same event as West if you are a Sanders supporter. What that proves is beyond me.

And also as a woman I was much more disturbed by Hillary's continuous interruption of Bernie after he patiently let her talk. My mother (also a woman) taught me how rude it is to interrupt.

[MrWendel]

72. Yes...

Cornell West's Protege happened to be at the same event as Cornell West. I do believe that. Anything else AS A WOMAN that will give you cashay on this issue? What relevance does that have to do with anything?

[Nanjeanne]

74. No Cachet more than Hillary has with being a woman. But what relevance does your posting a

pic of Ashley at the same event as West? That's what makes no sense to me. I don't care if she knows him or doesn't know him. My post was about rudeness and in both cases, Hillary was the rude one. In one she chastises Ashley for interrupting. In the other she chastises Sanders for telling her to stop interrupting him. Just my logical mind trying to make sense of her reasoning.

[MrWendel]

75. WTF?

You mentioned Ashley Williams who is nothing more than a Shill for Cornell West. The hell does that have anything to do with you or her or Hillary Being female? Not talking about Bernie's "Know your place and wait your turn" moment at the debate.

[Nanjeanne]

76. Ok. You're The Winner. I'm done . . .

I'm just going to remind myself what the great George Carlin said:

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

[MrWendel]

77. What did he say about...

an idiot who can't figure out what topic to follow in an argument?

[KingFlorez]

44. I saw nothing wrong with the mental health jab

It's clear that the final three of the GOP field is not mentally sound. Why should Sanders be criticized for telling the truth?

[Persondem]

46. Who is presidential and who flails around? K & R nt

[oasis]

48. Bernie "lost it" on a grand scale. (eom)

[merrily]

51. How many times you guys gonna post that dumb opinion piece from a right-leaning paper?

[NCTraveler]

53. .

[merrily]

55. Well, you know what they say about opinions, especially opinions from a right leaning paper.

[NCTraveler]

58. .

[7wo7rees]

54. Just simply pathetic. Nothing more. NT

[NCTraveler]

56. He had a bad night. I don't think he is pathetic.

That is pretty strong language.

[7wo7rees]

60. Sorry, you misunderstood me. I think your position is pathetic.

That is all.

Ms. 7wo7rees

[NCTraveler]

61. Ohhh. Got it. Happy Monday.

That is all from me as well. Until tomorrow when I hope to have the opportunity to wish you a Happy Tuesday.

[7wo7rees]

62. Same. Again, "Bless your heart". See you on the other side. NT

[NCTraveler]

65. My heart pitter pattered a bit as I welcomed in your blessings.

I was already feeling good, you have now boosted my energy.

This primary is beyond exciting. Michigan and Mississippi tomorrow. Might I bless your heart as well with the excitement the returns tomorrow are going to give us. Could be another huge day for Clinton. Lets hope!!!!!

[charlespercydemocrat]

57. sanders

I think BERNIE sanders is the democrats last hope.

[NCTraveler]

59. I don't.

I also hope if the political apocalypse was here that we would have someone better than Sanders. I just don't get this end time religious talk. You are saying he is the democrats last hope yet democrats are overwhelmingly backing Clinton.

[NurseJackie]

63. End-time talk is an attempt to strike fear and manipulate. It can be safely ignored.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[NCTraveler]

66. +1 nt.

[Cleita]

67. He's not. There are many Bernies out there waiting for their time.

He's just the Bernie we have right now.

[ladjf]

64. Hot off the press from "Clinton Company of Phony Attacks". nt

[Vinca]

71. Bernie was great.

The joke about the Republican candidates was very funny. If you don't see mental illness there, you just aren't watching. You really need to lighten up. I know you love Hillary and hate Bernie, but laugh a little already.

[cleopotrick]

73. Bernie kicked butt. Brocktopus talking points are cheap nt