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"I see your true colors, shining through" (Original Post) cyberpj Mar 2016 OP
Isn't she now claiming she is AGAINST the for profit prisons? basselope Mar 2016 #1
$he i$ on the $ide of her $pon$or$. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #2
she is still taking their money questionseverything Mar 2016 #8
Come on! Just because someone is taking their money, doesn't mean they are beholden to them. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #15
heh....hehe.....bwaaaah w0nderer Mar 2016 #68
Give it a minute. Polling data will change the answer. AtheistCrusader Mar 2016 #28
she doesn't "support" them per se, but THEY $upport her. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #37
She's on the side of... MattSh Mar 2016 #71
Kicked, rec'd, and bookmarked. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #3
SHe will always triangulate to do what works for her Corporate base. Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #4
Endorsed by the NRA. How very progressive redstateblues Mar 2016 #5
Wow, you're exactly as honest as your candidate. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #16
That's right, she's doing a fundraiser with the NRA Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #22
Well to be fair. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #54
That is a false statement. sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #74
Positions.. disillusioned73 Mar 2016 #6
Looks like that's not convincing enough people to support him during the nomination process. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #7
With respect... davidthegnome Mar 2016 #14
Yes indeed. Quite a lot. He's to be congratulated. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #21
How courteous. You don't see that a lot on DU. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #38
"The American people are speaking" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #18
Hillary did a good job in the south. She ran away with it on Super Tuesday. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #36
Please. jmowreader Mar 2016 #70
Looks to me like that message is convincing the people truebluegreen Mar 2016 #40
You may be right! Yes, that's *got* to be it! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #42
OK, I'll play. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #45
"Dog-Bites-Man" vs "Man-Bites-Dog" NurseJackie Mar 2016 #47
Uh-Huh truebluegreen Mar 2016 #55
I remember a few months ago when the Hillary Fan Club predicted bvar22 Mar 2016 #57
Exactly. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #58
Why do otherwise thoughtful Hillary supporters rationalize or forgive her pro-war stances virgista Mar 2016 #62
Suberting the message to hear Gwhittey Mar 2016 #52
love your avatar! liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #12
I'm hooked on the reboot. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #19
Poor Hillary...busted again. Damned leaky baggage car. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #10
So people can tell lies in charts also. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #11
But she's The (D)! mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #13
You will be absorbed! longship Mar 2016 #17
Spread this everywhere! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #20
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #23
Bernie for People kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #24
Hilary is a republican in blue dress kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #25
Can't the Hillary supporters read? nt ladjf Mar 2016 #26
Love your post, but with regard to the Afghan war... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #27
Interesting that anyone still thinks this resolution is applicable to ISIS when it clearly states rgbecker Mar 2016 #32
Thanks for the chart,cyberpj. democrank Mar 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #30
Amen Jed28 Mar 2016 #31
This. pinebox Mar 2016 #33
The for-profit prison one isn't entirely true. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Mar 2016 #56
Kicker-reetoe! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #39
That is so damn cute! It would also hurt. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #44
Boomf there it is. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author DebDoo Mar 2016 #41
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #43
^this^ Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #59
If Hillary was a MAN named John Smith, and had those positions as a Democratic candidate, Ikonoklast Mar 2016 #46
Oh brother! GMAFB! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #51
Would you be willing to compromise a woman's Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #76
Her campaign would not have lasted a week. Doctor_J Mar 2016 #77
Bernie would be the nominee today if this were the case , absolutely no doubt about it. Likewise, Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #79
Colors don't lie. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #48
K & R!!! Thespian2 Mar 2016 #49
K and R (nt) bigwillq Mar 2016 #50
Kick a thousand times. grntuscarora Mar 2016 #53
Not one HRC supporter has defended these policies at all. felix_numinous Mar 2016 #61
The Indefensible, clear as day. Octafish Mar 2016 #64
Those particular crickets are deafening felix_numinous Mar 2016 #82
K&R Octafish Mar 2016 #63
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #65
If elected, Hillary will be MOTS KansDem Mar 2016 #66
She is everything except... SoapBox Mar 2016 #67
Not exactly the only progressive running, said Jill Stein. Coincidence Mar 2016 #69
Chart needs to include Right to Choose noamnety Mar 2016 #72
Did you create the chart? If not, you should give credit to the source. eom Tanuki Mar 2016 #73
If she gets as far as the General Election, the ads write themselves tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #75
K & R! lonestarnot Mar 2016 #78
K&R yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #80
K&R, a few Jim Hightower quotes come to mind. saidsimplesimon Mar 2016 #81
"Even a dead fish can go with the flow" --Love that. Can't wait to use it. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #83
 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
1. Isn't she now claiming she is AGAINST the for profit prisons?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

Hard to tell these days which side she is on.

TheBlackAdder

(28,190 posts)
15. Come on! Just because someone is taking their money, doesn't mean they are beholden to them.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

.


Hey, the Brooklyn Bridge just went up for auction.

I'm taking $1,000 vetting payments to show good faith on this bid process.

Sent it to lefty@IllOwnTheBrooklynBridge.ru


.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
68. heh....hehe.....bwaaaah
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:31 AM
Mar 2016


i mailed my paycheck, will you please scan then zip up the bridge and send it attached to an email to
dummy_spendmoney@dumbdumber.dumdum.dum please

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
71. She's on the side of...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:24 AM
Mar 2016

say anything to get elected.

IF she should get elected, then it will be perfectly clear what side she is on...

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
4. SHe will always triangulate to do what works for her Corporate base.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

RIght now it's triangulating to the Left just to get the job. Later the triangle will continue to spin.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
16. Wow, you're exactly as honest as your candidate.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

That is to say, a liar.

Or maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have no clue what a political endorsement actually is. The NRA will endorse the GOP candidate after the primary, period. Pointing out that a candidates's position on a single point isn't stupid* isn't an "endorsement."

The depths to which Hillary and her acolytes will sink is positively breathtaking.

*suing companies for legal, non-defective products is bullshit

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
22. That's right, she's doing a fundraiser with the NRA
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

because they hate her so very much and believe she's a candidate strong on gun laws against weapon manufacturers profits.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
54. Well to be fair.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton was not endorsed by the NRA. She was just co-hosting a fundraiser for her Campaign with a NRA lobbyist, they have not endorsed her yet. So please don't spread misinformation like a Clinton Supporter has been doing.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. Looks like that's not convincing enough people to support him during the nomination process.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:14 PM
Mar 2016

The American people are speaking, and they're choosing Hillary.




PS: Who made that monstrosity? I didn't know that anyone still used MS-Paint for Windows95.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
14. With respect...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:28 PM
Mar 2016

He's convincing quite a lot of people. Clinton may have the lead, but Sanders is doing pretty darn well. The points made by the OP are pretty significant, I think. I don't think the American people overall have chosen anyone just yet. The race goes on.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
38. How courteous. You don't see that a lot on DU.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:24 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you! I try to do the same. I've been called a "fake" Bernie supporter on here a few times.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
36. Hillary did a good job in the south. She ran away with it on Super Tuesday.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:20 PM
Mar 2016

Okay, that's true, but Bernie won BIG on Super Saturday. The media downsizes it.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
70. Please.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:33 AM
Mar 2016

There were three states on Super Saturday. Bernie won two and came out further behind than he already was. Only a Bernie supporter calls that a win.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
40. Looks to me like that message is convincing the people
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:28 PM
Mar 2016

who actually have the opportunity to hear it. But of course we know that the corporate media and the DNC (and DWS) are working together to prevent that from happening. Don't we.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
45. OK, I'll play.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

Please post links to major newspaper stories and media clips that REPORT that Bernie won 3 of 4 primaries on Saturday.

I'd say I would wait but a) you won't look and b) you wouldn't find them if you did.



If Drumpf or Cruz and Hillary Clinton are the best the vaunted American democracy can offer, we are toast.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
47. "Dog-Bites-Man" vs "Man-Bites-Dog"
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

I guess that's just the nature of US media, but it's not the conspiracy that Bernie's hardcore fans imagine. His wins weren't really the stuff that makes the "BREAKING NEWS" scrolling tickers, it was all pretty much expected. Good candidates know how to compensate and don't need to rely on tickers to get out their message or to appear viable. He's the wrong candidate at the wrong time who doesn't do a very good job at getting his message out. (Just my opinion.)

If Drumpf or Cruz and Hillary Clinton are the best the vaunted American democracy can offer, we are toast.

Well, if you truly believe that, then I hope your "doomsday prepper" food supplies, ammo and underground shelter and bug-out gear are stocked up. (Personally, I'm a bit more optimistic.)

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
55. Uh-Huh
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary was expected to run the table only a year ago: so is the result so far Dog-Bites-Man or the reverse?

As for Doomsday prepping, it's a done thing: I left the country long ago and live in the civilized world now. The only question was whether I would ever come back; it is not looking likely.

Enjoy your time in the barrel.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
57. I remember a few months ago when the Hillary Fan Club predicted
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

that Bernie would win only one state...Vermont.

THAT is how credible their opinions are.

virgista

(48 posts)
62. Why do otherwise thoughtful Hillary supporters rationalize or forgive her pro-war stances
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

past and very much present? It's as if they just don't want to think about it. Pretend it isn't happening, or, "it will all be OK... because, because, she's just so wonderful that's why..."

Medea Benjamin has written a superb synopsis of Hilary's war-bent in today's Commondreams: "Pink-Slipping Hillary: On Remembering the Victims of the Iraq War". [sorry I haven't figured out how to link yet]. The article starts with a 2003 trip to HRC's senate office by Code Pink. Hilary's steadfast enthusiasm for invading Iraq would not be dissuaded by any argument:

We thought the easiest way to prevent harming women, children and other living things in Iraq was to stop a war of aggression, a war over weapons of mass destruction that UN inspectors on the ground couldn't’t find — which were, in fact, never found because they didn't’t exist. Clinton, however, was steadfast in her commitment to war: She said it was our responsibility to disarm Saddam Hussein and even defended George W. Bush’s unilateralism, citing her husband’s go-it-alone intervention in Kosovo.

Disgusted, CODEPINK cofounder Jodie Evans tore off her pink slip and handed it to Clinton, saying that her support for Bush’s invasion would lead to the death of many innocent people. Making the bogus connection between the September 11, 2001, attacks and Saddam Hussein, Clinton stormed out, saying, “I am the Senator from New York. I will never put my people’s security at risk.”

Take the blind from your eyes HRC fans. Wanting to go to war, real bad, in the Middle East, just can't be forgiven.
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
52. Suberting the message to hear
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

What you want from American people is not a good thing. With the over the top obvious attempt by the media and DNC to limit Sanders voice should make any True democrat upset. Scheduling only 6 debates and ensuring only 6 vs 26 we had in 2008, is a clear cut attempt to limit exposure of Sanders. If people have never heard Sanders then why would they vote for him? And they really really crappy times the DNC is having the debates, Sat night? You would think DNC would want as many people see them, that is what GOP is doing. And all dirty tricks that have come out of HRC headquarters is bad. Even if we ignore the less obvious ones the whole Civil Rights thing and then race baiting was just plan and simple GOP things.

Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #9)

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
27. Love your post, but with regard to the Afghan war...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016
On September 14, 2001 the House passed House Joint Resolution 64 (Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists). The totals in the House of Representatives were 420 ayes, 1 nay and 10 not voting. The sole nay vote was by Barbara Lee, D-CA.[2] Lee was the only member of either house of Congress to vote against the bill
-- Wikipedia

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
32. Interesting that anyone still thinks this resolution is applicable to ISIS when it clearly states
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:31 PM
Mar 2016

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Response to cyberpj (Original post)

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
34. The for-profit prison one isn't entirely true.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

She doesn't support them, she just... takes their money. Which is really just as bad come to think about it.

Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #35)

Response to cyberpj (Original post)

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
46. If Hillary was a MAN named John Smith, and had those positions as a Democratic candidate,
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

her supporters would be screaming "DINO! BLUE DOG! NOT A REAL DEMOCRAT!!!!"

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
76. Would you be willing to compromise a woman's
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

right to choose what to do with her own body? Or would you tell her, "Oh, brother! GMAFB?"

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
79. Bernie would be the nominee today if this were the case , absolutely no doubt about it. Likewise,
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

Elizabeth Warren would be our candidate now hands down had she chosen to run.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
61. Not one HRC supporter has defended these policies at all.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

because the records speak for themselves--and line up with conservative Republicans. HRC is not a liberal and not a progressive. Actions speak louder than words.

This pretense is not only insulting to actual liberals and progressives, it denies the left any voice at all. I am convinced under HRC liberals would not be represented in government.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
67. She is everything except...
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:12 AM
Mar 2016

Democratic...Progressive...or Liberal.

And that only leaves that other side of the spectrum.

No...More...Clintons.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
72. Chart needs to include Right to Choose
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:02 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie: Consistently Supports
Hillary: Willing to Compromise

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
75. If she gets as far as the General Election, the ads write themselves
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:42 AM
Mar 2016

not good ads, but definitely easy-picking low fruit

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
81. K&R, a few Jim Hightower quotes come to mind.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

The last time I saw Mr. Hightower in person was at a UM on campus rally in A2. Get out the vote for Bernie my dear friends in the beautiful state of Michigan.

The middle of the road is for yellow lines and dead armadillos.

The opposite for courage is not cowardice, it is conformity. Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

Do something. If it doesn't work, do something else. No idea is too crazy.

Populists have always been out to challenge the orthodoxy of the corporate order and to empower workaday Americans so they can control their own economic and political destinies. This approach distinguishes the movement from classic liberalism, which seeks to live in harmony with concentrated corporate power by trying to regulate excesses.

When I entered politics, I took the only downward turn you could take from journalism.

What created democracy was Thomas Paine and Shays' Rebellion, the suffragists and the abolitionists and on down through the populists and the labor movement, including the Wobblies. Tough, in your face people... Mother Jones, Woody Guthrie... Martin Luther King and Caesar Chavez. And now it's down to us.


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