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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:31 PM Mar 2016

Clinton’s Claims on Auto Industry ‘Not True’....Bernie speaks out.

Clinton’s Claims on Auto Industry ‘Not True’

What Hillary did last night was shameful. What those who refuse to listen to the real truth are doing is equally shameful.

When you care more about winning than telling the truth you hurt our country.


Clinton, who has struggled to downplay her support for job-killing trade deals, used a Sunday night debate in Flint, Michigan, to disingenuously mischaracterize Sanders record on the auto industry. In fact, Sanders voted for the carmaker bailout. He supported a $14 billion aid package which passed the House on Dec. 10, 2008. When that bill ran into a Senate Republican roadblock, the White House turned to a separate Wall Street bailout fund for loans to the auto industry.

In an interview on Monday with WOOD-TV, Sanders called Clinton’s claim “not true” and said it was part of a “disingenuous” attempt to deflect attention from her trade record. “It is absolutely untrue to say I voted against helping the automobile industry and workers,” Sanders told the Grand Rapids, Michigan, television station.

During a rally at a hockey rink here in Kalamazoo, Sanders also spoke to more than 3,200 supporters about Clinton’s record on trade and his support for workers in the auto industry. “She has supported virtually every one of these disastrous trade agreements which have wreaked havoc,” Sanders told the rally. The North American Free Trade Agreement and other business-backed trade deals contributed to the loss of more than 230,000 manufacturing jobs in Michigan since 1994.

To deflect attention from her own record, Sanders said, Clinton “went out of her way to mischaracterize” his record of support for auto workers. “There was one vote in the United States Senate to support the automobile industry and, of course, I voted for it. To say otherwise is simply not telling the truth,” he said. “I understand that Secretary Clinton wants to deflect attention away from her record supporting trade agreements like NAFTA and normal trade relations with China but she shouldn’t do that by mischaracterizing my record. What I did not vote for is the bailout of the crooks on Wall Street whose illegal behavior and greed brought this economy into the worst downturn since the 1930s.
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Clinton’s Claims on Auto Industry ‘Not True’....Bernie speaks out. (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2016 OP
Kick and I'll kick the otehr too Armstead Mar 2016 #1
I am so disgusted with lies and racism. madfloridian Mar 2016 #2
Hillary currently leads Bernie by about 1.5 million votes Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #15
That shows that the people accept lies and innuendo over truth. madfloridian Mar 2016 #23
Actually it shows that he can't fool all the people all of the time. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #27
You want to play it that way? madfloridian Mar 2016 #37
Furious projection AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #56
+1 BeanMusical Mar 2016 #145
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #58
Is Hillary fooling the delegates? No. They will answer to her lies, in their vote. DhhD Mar 2016 #72
Are you rooting for lies? snowy owl Mar 2016 #126
But even more people are not following this horse race until right before they vote. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #78
I'm all over twitter with it. Someone on FB should post it a lot. madfloridian Mar 2016 #88
I post on Facebook, and so do other Sanders' supporters noiretextatique Mar 2016 #110
Why don't you address the substance of the post, tabasco Mar 2016 #33
...... madfloridian Mar 2016 #39
+1 mountain grammy Mar 2016 #46
+1000000. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #66
THe post is about Hillary LYING to you (and everyone) again Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #70
Hillary lies, it's what she does, it's who she is. It's never gonna' change. Dragonfli Mar 2016 #86
Shhhhhhhh!! monicaangela Mar 2016 #79
Why would you be proud 840high Mar 2016 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #157
she is lying about the private for prison money too questionseverything Mar 2016 #113
Hillary Needs to be Honest gordyfl Mar 2016 #121
Great video, thanks for sharing. madfloridian Mar 2016 #141
How can one support prevarication as a strategy? Fairgo Mar 2016 #3
^^ this ^^ amborin Mar 2016 #10
Michigan radio is repeating Clinton's lie all day today. Octafish Mar 2016 #4
This is sickening. madfloridian Mar 2016 #9
Certainly is. Octafish Mar 2016 #20
...and we are expected to support her if she wins the primary??? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #18
Compared to what GOP offers... Octafish Mar 2016 #25
Also, Octafish, what was with the fact that Hillary said she had attended the church JDPriestly Mar 2016 #77
That was strange, wasn't it? madfloridian Mar 2016 #111
She's involved with The Fellowship. Octafish Mar 2016 #116
people in my very blue area of southern calif will not vote for her; whereas a month ago they might amborin Mar 2016 #87
IMO there will be no unity or re-uniting. That was tried before after she lost the 1st time. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #100
None this time; people are disgusted and appalled; and also cognizant of her endless regime change amborin Mar 2016 #105
I'll never have anything in common with oligarchy lovers. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #106
Will go down in shameful campainging lies history - like the "Willy Horton" ad. n/t Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #29
Absolutely Willie Horton. It lied about Bernie, turning his life's work into its opposite. Octafish Mar 2016 #125
I am going to keep this kicked since she has now put out a radio ad. madfloridian Mar 2016 #5
Aggressively lying Fairgo Mar 2016 #6
I have never been so angry. madfloridian Mar 2016 #7
OH I have been twice Gwhittey Mar 2016 #60
Okay, guess I was as well. madfloridian Mar 2016 #96
She has the Corporate Media behind her. Duval Mar 2016 #159
k&R amborin Mar 2016 #8
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #13
yep kristopher Mar 2016 #30
K&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #11
Ugh. AzDar Mar 2016 #12
K and R panader0 Mar 2016 #14
What is it they say about how quickly lies spread??? madfloridian Mar 2016 #16
The lie gets printed on page A1 above the fold, and the retraction on page A19 in small print Electric Monk Mar 2016 #17
That's it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #19
I lost my jury privileges for heartilly agreeing with a post that called an obvious liar a liar Electric Monk Mar 2016 #24
Then the liar lied Again immediately after the first lie (I screen capped it for your enjoyment) Dragonfli Mar 2016 #94
Yup! n/t Paper Roses Mar 2016 #64
knr nt retrowire Mar 2016 #21
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #22
no problem. the lies are too abundant. nt retrowire Mar 2016 #28
She has done this to him before. senz Mar 2016 #26
Bernie needs to go for the jugular just as she does but he's just too much of a nice person. Peregrine Took Mar 2016 #31
Strange he didn't correct her during the debate. spyker29 Mar 2016 #32
Hard to get a word in? madfloridian Mar 2016 #36
No, because she was right. But your suggestion implies that he can't defend himself against ecstatic Mar 2016 #67
I believe he was shocked at her nefariousness. senz Mar 2016 #49
I think you may be right. madfloridian Mar 2016 #108
They don't give them enough time to address more than one point passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #55
That's what she's saying spyker29 Mar 2016 #83
He voted for a version that DID include the auto manufacturers Dragonfli Mar 2016 #98
He wanted to help the auto industry. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 Mar 2016 #158
those who avidly support liars are more than likely stupidicus Mar 2016 #34
rec Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #35
Thanks. madfloridian Mar 2016 #38
Thank you! I am so glad Bernie dealt with it today senz Mar 2016 #52
Those who know how - put this on Facebook, Twitter, etc. jwirr Mar 2016 #73
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #40
Why didn't he address this last night? ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #41
That was an ageist statement. Holy Shit! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #80
Ageism, racism, half truths and smears... madfloridian Mar 2016 #85
Bernie always takes the high road. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #90
Yes. madfloridian Mar 2016 #140
He of an advanced age. It's reality. ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #149
And your belief that he's not "quick witted enough to deal with foreign heads of state" C Moon Mar 2016 #135
No, does it make it okay for you? ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #150
K&R!! haikugal Mar 2016 #42
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #43
.... madfloridian Mar 2016 #44
K & R! n/t xocet Mar 2016 #45
K&R! truebluegreen Mar 2016 #47
Lying, cheating,disregard for the rules sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #48
How can you tell Hillary is lying? Logical Mar 2016 #50
I keep getting this song stuck in my head. I wonder why? jillan Mar 2016 #53
That is great! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #54
C'Mon Bernie campaign - get this out there, radio and all. If you need money - ask. jillan Mar 2016 #51
Confident dpatbrown Mar 2016 #62
Sneaky... madfloridian Mar 2016 #82
Kick because truth matters. madfloridian Mar 2016 #57
How any dem can vote for that woman is beyond my comprehension Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #59
Seems to be half true, pretty much like the things said about Hillary and Wall Street. Onlooker Mar 2016 #61
This is a FALSE Equivalency. bvar22 Mar 2016 #117
Video of Bernie admitting he didn't vote for the money to be released ecstatic Mar 2016 #63
A lot of lives also could have been saved if she had not voted to go to war, to use your logic. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #76
He voted FOR the auto bailout. madfloridian Mar 2016 #81
Wrong. He voted No for the actual auto bailout that was part of the TARP bill. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #136
Yep. The facts don't lie. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #130
K&R! Let's clear the lies and set the record straight! FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #65
Kicked and recommended! "Untrue" Imagine that! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #68
Bingo! K&R! blackspade Mar 2016 #69
shameful how she shamelessly lies and uses dirty tricks; but it won't work for her: people here amborin Mar 2016 #71
I hope the Michigan voters get the message. Vinca Mar 2016 #74
She timed it just right, didn't she. No time to counter-act her smear. madfloridian Mar 2016 #75
hence the distractions about whether a Jew can use the word "ghetto" MisterP Mar 2016 #84
Ghetto means cut off from society. Projecting sleaze and venom to a society cut off by NAFTA and DhhD Mar 2016 #95
Jewish immigrants from Poland and Russia did live in ghettos. They called them tenements. jillan Mar 2016 #109
Kick. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #89
I realize this request if probably buried, but PLEASE... pat_k Mar 2016 #91
Disgusting bernbabe Mar 2016 #92
Kick !! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #93
I'm not sure using the Sanders campaign site serves as an unbiased source mythology Mar 2016 #97
He voted yes on the auto bailout. He voted no when it was added to tarp madfloridian Mar 2016 #103
She is really testing my patience Nightjock Mar 2016 #99
and she will come begging if she is the nominee Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #118
She just wanted to make sure- marew Mar 2016 #101
..... madfloridian Mar 2016 #112
I was three months away from losing my GM pension JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #102
You need to remember better. CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #143
She's morally repugnant. Bernie just needs to straight call her a liar. Broward Mar 2016 #104
wish he had done so last night; he's got to call out her lies amborin Mar 2016 #107
Words escape me silenttigersong Mar 2016 #114
outrageously unacceptable amborin Mar 2016 #115
It's gloves off time. Bernie needs to call her out Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #119
K&R nt Live and Learn Mar 2016 #120
She parsed her words so carefully... "Against the money that ENDED UP saving the auto industry." CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #122
that's exactly her deceit snowy owl Mar 2016 #127
If the people in MI are reading DU , and spread word of mouth this could kill her in her polling PatrynXX Mar 2016 #124
CBS Nightly News tonight, said an "expert" (unnamed) says job losses were negligible SoapBox Mar 2016 #128
H.R. 1424 -Sanders: Nay ucrdem Mar 2016 #131
Please check the date in the OP...please read it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #132
No, that's the October 1 bill, before the election, not the bill that Obama was.. dougolat Mar 2016 #137
Give a rec to Jillan's post...Fact Check confirms Bernie voted for it. madfloridian Mar 2016 #133
I am so angry about all the lies that Hillary tells in these debates, that I can't speak out here. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #134
Me too, on Twitter. madfloridian Mar 2016 #138
Well the bailout could have still secured jobs silenttigersong Mar 2016 #139
FOUND THIS! LIES, LIES, LIES! CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #142
Bernie Sanders' Vote To Bail Out Auto Companies JGug1 Mar 2016 #144
Bernie voted in December for autos Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #148
It is true actually Demsrule86 Mar 2016 #146
Everybody here was calling their Congressmen and Senators to block the TARP CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #152
Elizabeth Warren discussing TARP CdnExtraNational Mar 2016 #153
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #147
K N R Faux pas Mar 2016 #151
kick for truth Armstead Mar 2016 #154
Kick nt 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #155
K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #156
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. Hillary currently leads Bernie by about 1.5 million votes
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:45 PM
Mar 2016

Much of that is due to the fact that Hillary beat Bernie by huge margins among African American voters.

It doesn't get much better for Bernie. Polls show that Hillary is leading Bernie by large margins in delegate-rich states like Michigan, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida and Illinois. These states vote very soon.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #27)

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
78. But even more people are not following this horse race until right before they vote.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

Many still don't know about Bernie, at least his policies. They have only heard that he is "fringe," "unelectable"...

WE NEED TO KEEP SPREADING THE MESSAGE TO EVERY WEBSITE WE CAN!!!!!!!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
88. I'm all over twitter with it. Someone on FB should post it a lot.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

I can't read most facebook posts because I am not a member. So it may be getting coverage there.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
110. I post on Facebook, and so do other Sanders' supporters
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

And I post specifically for my black relatives and friends. A lot of people were not happy about how dismissive she was to the latest black activist. My next article will be about her role in the Honduras coup.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
33. Why don't you address the substance of the post,
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

rather than this inane "rah rah go team go" flapdoodle?

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
129. Why would you be proud
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:39 AM
Mar 2016

of a liar.? I want what's best for this country and the people. Not what's best for a candidate.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #15)

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
3. How can one support prevarication as a strategy?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

Stands for nothing. Willing to lie about everything. What exactly are you voting for when you vote for such a person?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Michigan radio is repeating Clinton's lie all day today.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

"My name is Hillary Clinton and I approved this message."

Just drove from Detroit to Lansing on business. All up and down the dial.

Wish he'd bring up UBS.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. Certainly is.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's ads were made earlier and address his help for working people, but did not counter Clinton's newest lie.

 

Ivan Kaputski

(528 posts)
18. ...and we are expected to support her if she wins the primary???
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

Ah yeah I'll support a liar because I love liars.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Compared to what GOP offers...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

...but that's really not saying much.

If you know people in Michigan and Mississippi, please let them know what Anderson Cooper failed to point out.

PS: Welcome to DU, Ivan!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
77. Also, Octafish, what was with the fact that Hillary said she had attended the church
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

that the woman who asked the questions about religion attended? Did Hillary recognize or know that woman?

The Constitution specifically bars applying a religious test for any office in our government. Why are questions about faith and religion asked in debates?

I was raised a Methodist, but my last name looks Jewish. It isn't. It is German. I came by it through a complicated set of events. It is the name of a German river.

I applied for a job, and at the end of the interview, the interviewer said to me, "Everybody in this company goes to church." I smiled and said, "That's very nice."

Not being Jewish or some other non-Christian religion, it took years for me to suddenly for no reason realize that the remark about how everybody in that company went to church, was supposed to be a way to find out what religion I was.

These questions about religion and the religious discrimination that they suggest, the discrimination implications that they encourage, should not be asked at debates.

I just wanted to bring this to your attention because you seem to know a lot about news matters and politics.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
116. She's involved with The Fellowship.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

More than a few of them are "Gott mit Uns" goosesteppers: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511353779

Thank you for sharing, That job interviewer demonstrates a knowledge of skating the surface. I was born in Puerto Rico, have an Anglo name, and I look Jewish. You should see the adventure.

Here's what we ALL need to learn and remember: Anti-Semites also are anti-African American, Anti-Puerto Rican, Anti-Anything other than what they see in the mirror every day. What Dr. Frantz Fanon, M.D., said:



“Negrophobes exist. It is not hatred of the Negro, however, that motivates them; they lack the courage for that, or they have lost it. Hate is not inborn; it has to be constantly cultivated, to be brought into being, in conflict with more or less recognized guilt complexes. Hate demands existence and he who hates has to show his hate in appropriate actions and behavior; in a sense, he has to become hate. That is why Americans have substituted discrimination for lynching. Each to his own side of the street.” ― Frantz Fanon, Black Skin, White Masks

amborin

(16,631 posts)
87. people in my very blue area of southern calif will not vote for her; whereas a month ago they might
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:04 PM
Mar 2016

hold their nose; no longer

 

Ivan Kaputski

(528 posts)
100. IMO there will be no unity or re-uniting. That was tried before after she lost the 1st time.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

I've trolled this site for years and this time around there isn't going to be any kumbaya session.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
105. None this time; people are disgusted and appalled; and also cognizant of her endless regime change
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

agenda which is sufficient in itself to not vote for her

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
125. Absolutely Willie Horton. It lied about Bernie, turning his life's work into its opposite.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:43 AM
Mar 2016

It was a low shot...a torpedo aimed below the waterline.

"Came Through" http://blog.4president.org/2016/2016/03/new-hillary-clinton-2016-radio-ad-came-through.html

Got to say: It was sad to hear.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
60. OH I have been twice
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016

Once in 2004 with Swiftboat crap vs Kerry(which was last stray and I got sick on GOP and left party) and second time was just a few weeks ago when HRC camp smeared Sanders with Swiftboat like bullshit with Sanders Civil Rights Activism. Man if Mahatma Gandhi was running vs HRC she would spin that shit to make him look like a war monger.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
96. Okay, guess I was as well.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

Smearing him about civil rights was one of her racist tactics. I was hoping her spinning and twisting wouldn't work this time.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
17. The lie gets printed on page A1 above the fold, and the retraction on page A19 in small print
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:48 PM
Mar 2016

or

'A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.' - Winston Churchill

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
24. I lost my jury privileges for heartilly agreeing with a post that called an obvious liar a liar
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

(see my profile, and here's a link to the subthread for context, and the jury went 1-6 to leave the post alone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511378115#post42 )

Peregrine Took

(7,413 posts)
31. Bernie needs to go for the jugular just as she does but he's just too much of a nice person.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

Doesn't have that Clinton "rip your heart out and eat it in front of you" ability.

LOL I love it when her devoted fans are clutching their pearls over Bernie's perfectly natural responses to get her to stop talking for a second so he can get a word in edgewise.

spyker29

(89 posts)
32. Strange he didn't correct her during the debate.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:04 PM
Mar 2016

During debate his excuse was wall street would get help too if he voted for it, and he couldn't have that. Guess he needed a day to see what the spin would be.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
67. No, because she was right. But your suggestion implies that he can't defend himself against
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

an untrue statement about his record. If that is the case, he should drop out now. If he is incapable of defending his own record, he is too weak of a candidate for the GE.

Regardless, Hillary didn't lie. Watch the full exchange:

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
49. I believe he was shocked at her nefariousness.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:46 PM
Mar 2016

Dishonest people can have that effect on honest people.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
55. They don't give them enough time to address more than one point
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:53 PM
Mar 2016

He would have if given more time...but the reason he voted no on that bill was because it was a wall street giveaway, and that was the point he was trying to make. That was more important to us, the people, while the other point (addressing the lie) was about his honor...and it was about him, not us.

He's not in this for himself. He's in it for us and this is just another example.

spyker29

(89 posts)
83. That's what she's saying
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

He voted against it to keep wall street from getting help, not caring who got shut out. I can understand and respect you or anyone agreeing with that, but that doesn't make her a liar.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
98. He voted for a version that DID include the auto manufacturers
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:29 PM
Mar 2016
She wanted to vote for one that only included her billionaire buddies.

No man, she straight up lied knowing he (with others as a strategy) refused to cooperate with the pure untainted gift to wall st that Clinton wanted in order to save some jobs she just plain didn't give a fuck about.

He voted for more, something that included us, she wanted to only help out her sponsors and those she rents herself out to politically on Wall Street. He cleverly found a way to include the lives of some working people.

Read the OP and get a clue newbie.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
123. He wanted to help the auto industry.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

He just could not justify giving so much to wall street to get that money for the auto industry (which was a very small amount compared to what they ended up needing in the end.

He was right about the bank bailout. It was a disaster and the banks made out like bandits. There was so little oversight that nobody knew where the money was going or what it was used for, and if you read wiki on the disaster it turned out to be (like CEO bonuses and not using it to lend, as intended...so many things went wrong with it, Bernie was right to not vote for it. If it hadn't passed, the auto industry bill might have come up again and passed on it's own. We will never know. I suspect it would have, because of the number of potential job losses.

Response to spyker29 (Reply #83)

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
41. Why didn't he address this last night?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:26 PM
Mar 2016

He's not quick witted enough to deal with foreign heads of state. His age is showing.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
135. And your belief that he's not "quick witted enough to deal with foreign heads of state"
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:51 AM
Mar 2016

makes it okay to lie?
Plus, Hillary is no spring chicken.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
48. Lying, cheating,disregard for the rules
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:46 PM
Mar 2016

that is called the Clinton way of extracting a win.

While it is disgusting, it is neither new nor
unexpected.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
51. C'Mon Bernie campaign - get this out there, radio and all. If you need money - ask.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

I coulda sworn last nite she got all huffy and said to Bernie if you're going to tell the story tell the whole story....

and then she does this.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
62. Confident
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

I feel very confident that his campaign will air ads about the lying very soon. They are smart

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
63. Video of Bernie admitting he didn't vote for the money to be released
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

for the auto bailout (because of Wall Street, of course). Wish he would show that same tough attitude to gun manufacturers! A lot of lives would be saved!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
76. A lot of lives also could have been saved if she had not voted to go to war, to use your logic.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

Also Hillary was fine with the NRA and guns when she ran against Obama:

http://time.com/4101947/hillary-clinton-guns-democrats/

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
136. Wrong. He voted No for the actual auto bailout that was part of the TARP bill.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:02 AM
Mar 2016

He voted for an earlier auto bailout only bill that died because no Republicans would vote for it.

The TARP bill was Detroit's only chance at a bailout and Sanders voted No. That is the bottom line.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
71. shameful how she shamelessly lies and uses dirty tricks; but it won't work for her: people here
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

in southern california----lifelong Democrats----will NOT vote for her. A month ago, they said they would hold their
nose and vote for the Dem nominee.

But not any longer. Should it not be Bernie, they will leave it blank, write in Bernie, or Jill Stein.

Vinca

(50,270 posts)
74. I hope the Michigan voters get the message.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary should sit down, take a deep breath and contemplate why her rating for honesty is so low.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
95. Ghetto means cut off from society. Projecting sleaze and venom to a society cut off by NAFTA and
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

the rest of the privatization and deregulation that is of the Clinton's machine. And challening Sanders to stop her; Delegates better be paying attention. Republicans are.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
109. Jewish immigrants from Poland and Russia did live in ghettos. They called them tenements.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

But that doesn't matter to some.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
91. I realize this request if probably buried, but PLEASE...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:06 PM
Mar 2016

kick the post on Bernie's thread her:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280138167

AND post any sources where you heard/seen the lie propagated (with contact info if possible), so we can call them on it. If you can, posting on reference post on Bernie thread may be best:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280138167

AND

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
97. I'm not sure using the Sanders campaign site serves as an unbiased source
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

Politifact rated the statement half-true. Granted Politifact is not perfect, but it's way more nuanced than either Clinton or Sanders supporters are giving it credit for. He voted for some, but not other money to be spent on the bailout. He had his reasons for voting no on the first, but the fact is that he did vote no. Likewise, he did in fact vote yes.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
103. He voted yes on the auto bailout. He voted no when it was added to tarp
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

I remember here at DU we were totally opposing Tarp....so very surprised to see such condemnation of Bernie for voting against it.

Nightjock

(1,408 posts)
99. She is really testing my patience
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

and my vote if she is the nominee. I never thought in a million years I would EVER say that.
I expect this type of bold face lie from republicans. I have voted for the Dem nominee every year since 1984.
PLEASE STOP MRS. CLINTON. PLEASE.

marew

(1,588 posts)
101. She just wanted to make sure-
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:44 PM
Mar 2016

her Wall Street buddies got their share of our taxes!

If she is elected a whole bunch of people will have buyers' remorse!

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
102. I was three months away from losing my GM pension
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

I was too young for SS and too old to start a new career. I was facing destitution and probably homelessness when Obama took the $84bil from TARP to save the industry.

Please explain again how Bernie saved GM from bankruptcy and saved the jobs and pensions of thousands of auto workers here in NE Ohio. I don't see anything in your post that shows how Bernie helped the Lordstown plant keep making Cruzes beyond 2008.

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
143. You need to remember better.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:20 AM
Mar 2016

TARP was signed into law on October 8, 2008 and had no mention of auto industry.

Auto Bailout was passed on December 10, 2008 and failed in the Senate

After inauguration President Obama redirected some of the second tranche of TARP to the auto industry in 2009.

Bernie Sanders never voted against any auto bailout.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
104. She's morally repugnant. Bernie just needs to straight call her a liar.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:59 PM
Mar 2016

Take off the gloves already. He's running out of time. Her and her band of sycophants lie in unison. This is what a large segment of the Dem Party has come to. They are lying, right-wing corporatists that have been complicit in the economic devastation visited upon tens of millions of Americans. Until they're vowed or defeated, the misery will continue.

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
122. She parsed her words so carefully... "Against the money that ENDED UP saving the auto industry."
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

She gleefully knew she was lying.

She picked her words carefully so she could plausibly deny.

Disgusting!

Time for progressives to start drawing lines in the sand.
Let our enemies know they are standing on the wrong side of history.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
127. that's exactly her deceit
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:01 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie spends far less time refining his message into clever sound bites. He is so authentic, in the end her deceit and prevarication will win because she has the media and they support her deceit. It's so sad.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
124. If the people in MI are reading DU , and spread word of mouth this could kill her in her polling
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 12:38 AM
Mar 2016

Data.

Bigger problem will it be too late. They vote for her then discover they were duped. At the rate she's going I'm expecting a landslide Republican win. Maybe not as bad as Mondale but close. Provided she wins. If Sanders wins there's a chance we might win. oh I mean the Original Democratic Party. not the DWS party.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
128. CBS Nightly News tonight, said an "expert" (unnamed) says job losses were negligible
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016

due to NAFTA.

Well, what kind of BULLSHIT is that? Talk about blatant manipulation of history.

Such lies.

dougolat

(716 posts)
137. No, that's the October 1 bill, before the election, not the bill that Obama was..
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 04:12 AM
Mar 2016

..calling for Congressional Democrats to support in December 2008.
At that time Bernie was calling for restrictions on the use of the auto bail-outs to protect workers and block sending more jobs overseas.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
134. I am so angry about all the lies that Hillary tells in these debates, that I can't speak out here.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:37 AM
Mar 2016

Or else, I would have a brazillion hidden posts, or be banned.

So, I have been on Facebook and Twitter most of the day.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
139. Well the bailout could have still secured jobs
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 05:12 AM
Mar 2016

Improving Infrastructure(think Flint)bridges,transportation(think climate change)it was a crisis that we could have used and still have secured the jobs that were saved by auto bailout.We should have let the banks fail.
 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
142. FOUND THIS! LIES, LIES, LIES!
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:12 AM
Mar 2016

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

The TARP was signed into law before the Dec 10, 2008 vote on the auto bailout and as you can see above says nothing about an auto bailout.

The Republicans did not support the auto bailout.

It wasn't until President Obama was in office that a second tranche of the TARP was directed to the auto bailout.

JGug1

(320 posts)
144. Bernie Sanders' Vote To Bail Out Auto Companies
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:18 AM
Mar 2016

I do not understand why, if he DID vote to bail out the auto companies, why Sanders didn't deny what Clinton said DURING THE DEBATE. There is something a bit weird and I am inclined to suspect that it is Bernie who is spinning his vote rather than Hillary. I suspect that because IF Sanders had actually voted with her to bail out the auto companies, she wold have had to be crazy to have asserted otherwise and conversely, had he voted with her, he would have been nuts to not take her down. Fact checking would have proved him correct and she would have been badly embarrassed.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
148. Bernie voted in December for autos
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:39 AM
Mar 2016

However, in January he voted against a bill that helped the banks and saved autos...so he did vote against the bill that acutally saved the auto industry. Bailng out anyone was unpopular, but even assuming Bernie did it for ideological reasons...autos would still be gone now had his view previaled. He did not deny it because it is true.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
146. It is true actually
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:34 AM
Mar 2016

I am sick of the trade deal thing too because Secretary Clinton had nothing to do with NAFTA...of course she supported her husband. She has said she is not for TPP by the way. Now Bernie voted against the final auto bill in January. That is undeniable. And had that bill failed, the autos would not have survived until inaugeration day. My hubs works in autos and I watch the entire thing...Americans were weary of bailouts...it was not popular to vote for them...thus Clinton cast a courageous vote. Bernie I would say he voted his heart, but was willing to allow thousands to lose their jobs, and we would have lost an entire industry. That is the truth no matter how Bernie fans carry on.

 

CdnExtraNational

(105 posts)
152. Everybody here was calling their Congressmen and Senators to block the TARP
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:41 AM
Mar 2016

And the first time it was blocked!

Threats about the end of the economy were used by Paulson and all to get Congress and the Senate to pass TARP.

It was totally undemocratic.

If our representatives had stood their ground the financial bailout could have had some strings attached.

But the Goldman Sachs wing prevailed!

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