Truly, the Democratic Party has changed

[angrychair]

Today alone I personally have witnessed supporters of HRC advocate in favor of fracking and government control of the conditions that women can have an abortion under, specially late term abortions.

Over this primary period I have also personally seen supporters for HRC advocate to allow poor and middle class people to only be allowed to go community college as they would feel "out of place" in major 4 year institutions (whatever that means). As well as forcing (whatever that means) poor or middle class people to pay back student loans.
Also seen advocating for SuperPACs and other unlimited corporate money in politics. FYI, Sanders brought in more money than HRC in January and February without SuperPACs or corporate donations or maxed out donors.
Also seen advocating for no fly zone in Syria which, according to PBO, his national security advisors and the pentagon, would likely escalate the conflict and bring us into direct confrontation with Russia (as in WWIII).

The DNC/political pundits/insiders chosen candidate is under federal investigation (not review-who told that lie?) when has that ever happened and why are we "ok" with that?

Interesting direction my Party is choosing to go in....

[Trajan]

1. Stolen by right wingers ... nt

[dogman]

2. It will only get worse as moderate Repubs are forced out of their Party.

It's great for triangulation though. I'm sure it will be encouraged to keep the liberals compromised.

[Bread and Circus]

5. Hadn't thought about that.

[arcane1]

26. Sad but true :( n/t

[Hatchling]

44. We've already got the Reagan Democrats

I hate to think that if Trump wins we might get the "Cruz" Democrats. Shudder!

[reformist2]

3. There are some people who will support anything HRC says or does.

[INdemo]

17. Hillary could have ran on the Republican ticket (why didnt she)

and so called Democrats that support her now would have just moved with her..I mean what the hell DWS is a Republican,she backs Republican legislation and now she uses Karl Rove tactics and she calls herself a Democrat?

Hillary wants this so bad she would take money from the Koch Bros if it meant the difference of winning or losing.

[haikugal]

31. She probably does...I wouldn't be surprised.

They funded the third way so not a stretch.

[noretreatnosurrender]

4. This is what happens

when supporters ignore issues and the records of the candidates. When all you want to do is WIN for winning's sake you leave your ethical and moral compass at the door.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. Luckily

I have not been in support of any of those!

[highprincipleswork]

7. Not really that interesting. Boring, unbelievable, and self-destructive.

That's what it's like when you don't stand for anything.

[PonyUp]

28. Yep. When you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. nt

[Orange Butterfly]

37. great quote

[nashville_brook]

8. welcome to the 90s

people have either forgotten what it was like, or weren't old enough to know what was going on -- but that's the gist of it. it's why the music was so good. we had to have SOMETHING to take our minds of the shit going on in our name.

[angrychair]

11. I could use some Soundgarden

Right about now

[nc4bo]

9. It can keep right on going in that direction without this Democrat.

Something has got to change.

[whatchamacallit]

10. Twilight Fucking Zone

And the twilight of the democratic party in its current state.

[Hydra]

18. ^This

I feel like we've been falling further down the rabbit hole for more that 30 years...because we have!

[w0nderer]

35. Cept there are normally 2 potions that say

'right', and 'further right'
instead of 2 that say 'right' and 'left'

this election for once (the last 20 years?) there is a potion that says 'left'

[Kittycat]

27. And we're being threatened to fall in line at every turn

Because we want to uphold the true values of the party vs the republican values creeping in.

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. I see so much that makes me think that, soon, the Republican Party (what it used to be)

will cease to exist as we know it to be taken over by the Democratic Party (as it moves further right of center) and space will be left on the Left (see what I did there?) for a new Progressive Party.

[PatrickforO]

40. Our party, exactly! The new Progressive party.

[liberal_at_heart]

42. perhaps a Labor Party? Or a Democratic Socialist Party?

[PowerToThePeople]

13. IMO, this is not new.

It has been going on since the 80s.

The left lost track of this during our decade long battle against the fascist thieving war criminal Bush regime.

[BunkieBandit]

20. That's right !!

To me it started leaning right after President Carter.

[w0nderer]

14. K&R n/t

[Broward]

15. How dare you criticize the Democratic Party.

This site exists to support Dems. You must accept the status quo or allow the Party to move right.
Advocating for any move to the left is disloyal. Are you a freeper or something?

[Bubzer]

16. I've watched the dismantling of the party, bit by bit, since the Reagan years.

The parties, both of them, are on their last legs. The people are furious with the establishment. The only proof one needs for that is the obscenity that is the republican frontrunner. But, if that wasn't enough... Bernie's popularity is so immense, he's broken all records for individual donations.

It's a sign of discontent and outright anger simmering just below the surface of the US public. It wouldn't take much to spark revolts and riots in these kinds of conditions.

[BunkieBandit]

23. Bulls Eye !!

Finally heard what I've been trying to put together.

[PatrickforO]

41. No it wouldn't.

Let's hope Bernie can overcome the ratfucking so that doesn't happen.

[Jarqui]

51. The media would make sure as few as possible found out Bernie overcame anything nt

[Red Oak]

19. It's the Third Way

[RobertEarl]

21. Miss Leader (C) is to blame

Obama destroyed her dreams with the simple Hope for Change.

And this time she has committed political suicide all on her own with the bad leadership she hath exhibited.

[EndElectoral]

22. Yes, and they call themselves pragmatic progressives.

[angrychair]

24. Was that because

"Compassionate conservatism" was taken?

[zentrum]

25. Moved to the right

....by the group founded by the Clintons and their cohorts, The DLC.

Decided that they too, wanted lots and lots and lots and lots of corporate funding, followed by policies that would be Republican-friendly.

Bill himself calls them the "New Democrats".

I think our party's civil war will ultimately result in a third party being formed, but it will take the next election cycle at least.

The horrified old guard Republicans will join the New Democrats and the Baggers will create a Fascist party of their own.

[Fuddnik]

30. Don't forget funded by the Kochs.

They'd be just as happy with a former Walmart Director in the White House as with Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz.

[zentrum]

34. They'd prefer Hillary to

....Trump because he's a loose cannon, with his own independent cash.

Yeah---she's the one the brothers prefer over all, now that they can't have Bush.

[H2O Man]

29. Recommended.

It's hard to believe, sometimes.

[liberal_at_heart]

32. Abortion was their last bastion for telling us we have to vote for Hillary. Without this how are

they going to justify telling us we have to vote for Hillary?

[haikugal]

33. K&R!

Kick!!

[WillyT]

36. It's Money... And It's More That Ironic That Prostitution In Still Illegal...

Take Congress, for instance.

[PatrynXX]

38. Democratic Party is splitting in 2.

There is no going back now. There is the original Democratic party on the left then there's this new one that calls itself by that name but has no connections to it. like the webpage weather underground. It's named after Bill's organization but it's actually about the weather. Who knew the Koch Brothers would end up owning the democratic party. Well it seems that way don't it Yeah lets erase 8 yrs of Obama and try to pretend they didn't exist.

[WillyT]

39. We Did Not Realize That We Had Been Taken Over...

It's Like The Twilight Zone Episode... "To Serve Man."

"It's A Fucking Cookbook !!!"

[olddots]

43. the 1968 Democratic convention

was a sign of things to come .

[Lorien]

45. There is virtually no difference whatsoever between DLC "Democrats" and G. W. Bush Republicans

If Left of center voters want representation we'll either have to take our party back, or build a third party. I will absolutely never vote for a candidate who wants to bomb Iran, frack my State into oblivion (one spill would destroy the aquifers that connect the entire State of Florida), keep my students in debt slavery, profit from for-profit prisons who have turned America into a police State, and force unlabeled GMOs on us all, which would also lead to massive food insecurity during climate change. Hell, do her fans even BELIEVE in climate change? Between Hillary's cult like following of unthinking neocons and her BFF Trump's Authoritarian fascist boot lickers, things are looking very bad for the USA indeed.

[angrychair]

46. Good post

[Amimnoch]

47. Please try to remember, the posts of some here do not necessarily reflect the views of all.

I for one would love to see fracking banned, and 100% behind women having the right to chose.

I've seen Sanders supporters refer to women voters who support Hillary because they want to see a female president as "voting with their vagina's"

I've seen Sanders supporters insult Representative Lewis in ways I won't even repeat.

I have chosen to step back and NOT judge Senator Sanders, or those who support him based on the comments that SOME of his supporters have made in the heat of the moment.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I (for one) won't attack you for it.

I do humbly request that when you see those posts to consider it as being the individuals perspective and not the entire party's.

[angrychair]

52. I truly appreciate the feedback

I do believe that you are the only pro-HRC DUer to post to my OP. I was hoping for more discussion (not derogatory or mean-spirited) on the issues I spoke about. I also appreciate that you are against fracking and completely support the concept that a women's reproductive healthcare, well all healthcare issues, is a topic between her and her doctor and not the any government or any church. Thank you joining the discussion!

[RoccoR5955]

48. Either they change or they lose me! n/t

[Attorney in Texas]

49. FDR, JFK, LBJ (not to mention Ted Roosevelt and Ike) would have no place in today's Democratic Party

on grounds that all would be too liberal and would be pushing an "impossible" progressive agenda.

[laruemtt]

50. "interesting direction"?

You use a much tamer word than i would have used

[XRubicon]

53. I know what you mean... "Dems" calling for investigation, indictment and impeachment

of a candidate, that is usually reserved for repubs. Stating they won't support the party nominee.

Interesting direction indeed.

[angrychair]

55. I am calling for nothing

The Dept of Justice is though. The Dept of State IG has been. Several intelligence agencies maybe.The FBI is conducting the investigation.
Why shouldn't Democrats be calling for the investigation of their candidate or any candidate, that may have abused their previous office or otherwise acted unethically or in violation of the law?
There should be no room in our Party or our government for people that act unethically or otherwise violate the public trust. Especially those with aspirations on the highest office in the land.

Not tinfoil hat. Real FBI. Real investigation.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/state-dept-employee-who-set-up-hillary-clintons-email-server-receives-immunity-report/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonemail830p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/271387-fbi-director-i-am-closely-involved-with-clinton-email-investigation

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/271194-final-batch-of-clinton-emails-released

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0VW2DG

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/27/468366616/investigation-into-clinton-emails-continues

[XRubicon]

56. No... I guess you are not... I like how you have reasearched this and obsesvily compiled links

Are you an NRA member? Those guys always drop a hundred links to back up their claims. Just wondering.

[angrychair]

57. I would rather be beat to death with a hammer

Than join the NRA.
Not sure if your poking me to get a rise or not but since I don't have any need to become emotional over a post on a discussion board, doesn't matter.

[Maedhros]

54. Well, that's because the enemies of liberal, progressive government

have infested the Democratic Party.