My neighbor is afraid of Berine

[youceyec]

She says his 15 trillion dollar tax increase will force people into poverty and despair. I told her it wont but she still wasn't buying it. She said his socialism isn't American. These people are out there and they vote. Maybe he should address these fears?

[Svafa]

1. He already has.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

That WSJ (rightwing rag that it is) article claiming that Sanders' proposals would cost $15 trillion is misleading and has been debunked.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-friedman/the-wall-street-journal-k_b_8143062.html

http://robertreich.org/post/129306966350

http://www.thenation.com/article/what-the-wall-street-journal-gets-totally-wrong-about-bernie-sanders-agenda/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. If Bernie "isn't American" what is he?

[tk2kewl]

37. He's scary! Very scary!

[Mike__M]

46. I love that gif

If only we could splice it in with Trump and the eagle.

[Mufaddal]

3. You're not going to win over everyone.

Still, I would focus on the issue of money in politics. This is perhaps the cornerstone of Bernie's campaign and its good for everyone, regardless of their political affiliation.

[AzDar]

4. My Neighbor is afraid of Hillary... She says her Constant Lies, Corporate Overlords, Mishandling of

Classified Material, War-Mongering, and Endless Shifting of Political Positions will be the end of us all.
She said being a liar and a cheat isn't American. These people are out there, and they vote! Maybe she should address these fears?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

21. Howdy, neighbor!

I know exactly how she feels.

And I voted today.

[AzDar]

40. ...

[Mike__M]

28. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...

a beautiful day for a neighbor;
would you be my...
oh, won't you be my neighbor?

[AzDar]

43. Imagine the wonderful block parties we'll have!

[PonyUp]

44. Shillary will look into it. nt

[NurseJackie]

5. It's probably too late. Besides, if he's busy explaining ...

... then he's already lost.

[VMA131Marine]

6. If she's opposed to socialism ...

you should make her promise not to collect Social Security or sign up for Medicare ... or is she already using them. Then tell her not to use public roads.

[ebayfool]

7. ^^^^^That! Right there!^^^^^ n/t

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

10. No public school either

And she better hope her house doesn't catch on fire or she'll have to depend on the un-American, socialized fire department. Ditto for the socialized police.

[RufusTFirefly]

31. ... and keep out of our socialist libraries!

Actually, based on how ill-informed she sounds, it doesn't seem as though she'd miss those libraries if they were gone.

[WDIM]

8. She is already being taxed by private corporations

for some of the most basic needs in life like housing, healthcare, clean water, energy, food, clothing, education.

Why is it better to give money to for profit corporations whose only motive is to increase profits but bad to give money to a representative government whose motive is meant to be what is best for the people?

remove the cap on taxable income for social security and medicare. The rich will pay for medicare for all.

Make sure the tax dodgers pay their share.

The capitalist system we live in now is unamerican. We have a system in place where the people that work the hardest have the least to show for it. and the people at the top are only there thanks to the hard work of the people at the bottom.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

12. There's already no cap on Medicare contributions

And in fact, there's an additional 0.9% tax on income over 200k thanks to the ACA. Of course, none of this applies to capital gains or dividends, which is where the real problem is.

[ebayfool]

9. Awww ...

[2pooped2pop]

11. Tax increase chart I saw posted on here had no increase until 250,000

Have no clue if it was real.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

14. That's correct.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/making-the-wealthy-pay-fair-share/

[noamnety]

13. You seem very "concerned" about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511322985
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511316237
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251616326#post153

and we all appreciate your "concern."

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

15. No doubt that "neighbor" has been very persuasive

[hill2016]

16. ask her to vote for Hillary

She won't raise taxes by fifteen trillion dollars.

[Vinca]

17. Tell your dimwitted neighbor she might pay more in taxes, but she'd save a whole lot more

by not having huge health insurance premiums. You might also suggest she opt out of Social Security and Medicare since she's so concerned about socialism. "These people are out there and they vote." That is true. I wish they would also read about the candidates and what they stand for as well. "He's" addressed the fears, she just hasn't bothered to educate herself.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

18. Not much ya can do...

...We got the old time red scare superstitious peep, then we got the younger ones whom have evolved and are not afraid of all the evil things lurking just beyond their imagination. That's life for now, we come along way... we still have far to go and it's just a matter of time... not if, but when.

[pdsimdars]

34. Don't forget we also have the Clinton campaign fanning up the fears and smears.

[phleshdef]

19. My neighbor is a crazy, low information right winger and I don't care what he thinks.

[royable]

20. I have no use for concern trolls.

Into my ignore list with you.

[PonyUp]

45. Ahhh..another 'neighbor' story. I'm putting this one on ignore too. nt

[Matariki]

22. Hmm. Simply saying "it won't" probably isn't a convincing argument

But I've also found that having lots of facts at your disposal doesn't do much to convince certain types of people either.

What about showing her this tax chart?

[pdsimdars]

35. I have a degree in math and numbers are a beautiful thing.

Look at that, it says it all.
I wonder if his "concerned neighbor" makes over $250,000. If so, they sure are paranoid.

[2pooped2pop]

23. No increase for anyone making under 250,000

If your neighbor makes more than that they probably need to be paying more of their fair share.

[jillan]

24. My neighbor has a Hanoi Jane bumper sticker on his truck. We all have those crazy neighbors.

I feel your pain.

[Zorra]

25. Most of the rest of the world is afraid of Hillary. nt

[beam me up scottie]

26. Cool story. I had a neighbor who was afraid of Obama - said he was a Muslim who was born in Kenya.

I didn't post about it here because we don't care what stupid right wingers think.

Oh and we moved.

[silvershadow]

27. He has. You should use the info the address your neighbor. Welcome to DU. nt

[pdsimdars]

29. Ask her if she likes Social Security.

That is democratic socialism.
Ask her if she likes Medicare. That is also democratic socialism
so are the parks and the highways and the military and the police.
How would she like to pay a small amount more taxes and have ZERO medical expenses, no insurance, no copays, no nothing. Sounds like a good deal.
And if she can't follow this, then forget it, she is unable to think properly. Get her some good meds, or if pot is legal in your area . . . .

[YOHABLO]

30. Yes, I know, ''The United States of Stupid'' what can you do? Set them straight?

Probably never. I live outside of Atlanta and just the other day I saw a young kid with a CSA (Confederate States of America) sticker on the left side of his back bumper, and a TRUMP sticker on the right side. Go figure. I find that scary.

[HERVEPA]

32. You're not fooling anyone by posting this made-up bullshit.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. it's not just 15 trillion. Tell her it's gonna be fortyseventy majagadzillion.

I mean, as long as we're pulling giant made-up numbers out of our rears.

The highly dubious "15 trillion" figure was actually supposed to be "18 Trillion", according to that bastion of progressivism the Wall St. Journal, and includes $15 Trillion on health care, neglecting of course that a Single Payer Health Care system would replace the spending we currently do on Health Care, not created some new figure of spending.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

But health care is nevertheless a good place to examine why these big numbers can be so misleading. At the moment, total health care spending in the United States runs over $3 trillion a year; according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, over the next decade (from 2015-2024), America will spend a total of $42 trillion on health care. This is money that you and I and everyone else spends. We spend it in a variety of ways: through our health-insurance premiums, through the reduced salaries we get if our employers pick up part or all of the cost of those premiums, through our co-pays and deductibles, and through our taxes that fund Medicare, Medicaid, ACA subsidies, and the VA health care system. We’re already paying about $10,000 a year per capita for health care.

So let’s say that Bernie Sanders became president and passed a single-payer health care system of some sort. And let’s say that it did indeed cost $15 trillion over 10 years. Would that be $15 trillion in new money we’d be spending? No, it would be money that we’re already spending on health care, but now it would go through government. If I told you I could cut your health insurance premiums by $1,000 and increase your taxes by $1,000, you wouldn’t have lost $1,000. You’d be in the same place you are now.

[pdsimdars]

36. I forgot the MOST important question

Who is Berine? I know BerNIE Sanders is running for president but I have no idea who BerINE is.

[angstlessk]

38. A new poster that hits and runs

Trust but verify!

[DefenseLawyer]

39. I have a neighbor that is a crazy Libertarian

Those people are also out there and they vote. I'm sure he's voting for Gary Johnson or some other goofball. So what?

[H2O Man]

42. But does he

have a fear of heights? I think that is an important part of this discussion.

[DefenseLawyer]

47. He fears black helicopters and he's pretty sure that Solyent Green is people.

It's peeeeeeeeeeeople!

[H2O Man]

41. My neighbor has

a fear of television sets falling from the sky.