2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow Clinton used my reporting to make a bogus attack on Sanders
"After being ignored by presidential debate moderators throughout the entire campaign thus far, climate change finally got some attention at Wednesday nights Democratic debate. And the topic provoked a surprisingly controversial remark one accidentally inspired by yours truly.
Hillary Clintons response to a climate question included this claim: The Clean Power Plan is something that Sen. Sanders has said he would delay implementing.
On its face, that looks to be just plain wrong. Digging deeper, it turns out to be a misleading interpretation of a very different Sanders proposal one first reported by me."
http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-clinton-used-my-reporting-to-make-a-bogus-attack-on-sanders/
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)Another Clinton deception bites the dust
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Karl Rove and Hillary know this
Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)to the OP for pointing out this article.
This is the part that talks about the delay and what would happen if Sanders couldn't get his expanded plan through congress. Also it talks about how Clinton tried to use this against him:
"If a Sanders administration determined that expanding the CPP to cover methane would require significantly delaying the rule or threatening its viability, then they just wouldnt do it.
Our thinking was to get as much out of the Clean Power Plan as possible, not to impede its progress, says Karthik Ganapathy, a Sanders campaign spokesman.
The way Clinton phrased her comment at the debate was especially disingenuous. Rather than saying that Sanders has proposed changes to the CPP that would require delaying its implementation which would be technically defensible she accused him of simply proposing to delay it, as if that were the whole point."
So he isn't trying to hurt the current plan at all. There are judges that are willing to work with this administration on it now that may not be there if/when Sanders is President. He can't depend on them and so he would probably have to try and get his expanded plan through congress or use Presidential powers (which he said that he wouldn't do here).
Anyway, it's fascinating, and again irritating, to see how the Clinton campaign twists his words and plans for their benefit. So disingenuous.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Just too easy to let them stand.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)smarter?
on edit: to preserve for posterity the above response
"Yes, not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary. Just too easy to let them stand."
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I'm sure they will.... if he ever makes one.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)snip/
Nonetheless, there is more to this story than just the Clinton campaign trying to mislead Democratic primary voters into thinking she is to Sanders left on climate change. There is also a real policy disagreement between the candidates. On Wednesday, immediately after claiming Sanders wants to delay the CPP, Clinton said, We need to implement all of the presidents executive actions and quickly move to make a bridge from coal to natural gas to clean energy.
Whereas Sanders thinks the current CPPs implicit promotion of natural gas is a bug, Clinton sees it as a feature. Clinton simply doesnt agree with Sanders that ramping up natural gas use is something best avoided. Clinton reasons that gas is better than coal: when burned, it emits half as much carbon as coal, and dramatically less conventional pollution.
But environmentalists have been moving away from this view over the last few years as the air and water quality risks of fracking have come to light, as well as the high rate of methane leakage that happens before natural gas gets to power plants. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide in the near term.
Perhaps the most telling thing about Clintons comment on Wednesday isnt about her climate policies at all. Its that Sanders has her sufficiently nervous and defensive that her campaign is drawing on a little-known writers article on an environmental news website to concoct an attack on Sanders that pretends to come from the left. Climate hawks could see this as an ironically good sign. Clinton clearly feels the need to neutralize the threat from Sanders on climate, which means the issue has some salience at least among Democrats.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Shades of 2008.
The Clinton's really showed me their true colors that year.
Very sad
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)She has run a campaign devoid of ideas.... that haven't already been tried. But she'll use them, advocate for them whether they worked or not anyway. It's kinda weird.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)turbinetree
(24,745 posts)Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Almost everything the manure-movers have found has depended on an interpretation so twisted that is downright misleading.
tblue37
(65,524 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Honesty is the best policy.