2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDan Savage: Clinton crediting Nancy Reagan for helping AIDS victims is a ‘f*cking lie’
"Columnist and LGBT activist Dan Savage ripped Hillary Clinton on Friday for saying that former First Lady Nancy Reagan helped start a national conversation about the HIV virus.
This is a f*cking lie, Savage wrote in The Stranger. You could only say the Reagans started a national conversation about AIDS if terrified, desperate, and dying people screaming WHY ARENT YOU SAYING OR DOING ANYTHING ABOUT AIDS! at the Reagans counts. It does not."
This gaffe might turn out to be huge!
I personally think that Hillary was just trying to say nice things before her funeral. Also to pander for crossover votes.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/dan-savage-clinton-crediting-nancy-reagan-for-helping-aids-victims-is-a-fcking-lie/
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-nancy-reagan-aids-activism_us_56e31770e4b0b25c9181e002
It's over.
Time to move on.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Not time to move on.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)weeks SMH...........
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm just gonna
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)mvd
(65,187 posts)And she opened up a lot of wounds as seen in this thread. Rather than being malicious, I think it just showed how out of touch she is. Which still is not good.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)She tends to be a bit short sited on things like this.
840high
(17,196 posts)who died.
My brother died of AIDS. I care about that.
appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)and supported Act Up and other activist groups. He was a joyful, smart and generous loved one, friend, artist and journalist. With tremendous courage and persistence he fought housing discrimination in NYC and obtained good medical care there and in France. But he didn't make it. Ronald effing Reagan and his monstrous conservative brethren took his young life and many others with sadistic abandon. We don't forget. This isn't about the election. At all.
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EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)The selective, sanctimonious, condescending outrage is priceless.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)for the people I had to watch die in the 1980s while the Reagan administration either ignored the issue or actually laughed at it.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,362 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)This is about disrespect for the dead, which Hillary doubled down on with her non-apology.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)With her ignorant pandering to make herself look good.
I won't forget it.
appalachiablue
(41,204 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)before my eyes. I cannot imagine that anyone who was alive in those days could believe that the Reagans did anything for HIV/AIDs sufferers. The gays died, the conservatives thought it was great that God was punishing them for their sins, and the majority of Americans only worried that they might catch it from a toilet seat. I am glad she had the decency to apologize but would she have done so without the outrage generated by her lie? I think not.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)who suffered under the Reagan's to make that decision of when.
But yes, we have to all come together and vote for whoever the candidate is when the time comes.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Why would you put stock in anything an anonymous poster would say anyway?
Can I ask if you are black?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Is I was curious if you blamed Hillary for all the racist things her supporter's were saying in 2007/2008 when Obama came on the scene and "stole" the black vote from her? Far worse things were said back then.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Not until she started mirroring some of those talking points.
Thanks for the reply
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and neither should you.
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nichomachus
(12,754 posts)That woman has no core and no principles. Just an empty pants suit.
840high
(17,196 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)... You wish.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Already the Republicans are using this as an opportunity to say HRC is now simply being politically correct. In other words, history has already been re-written. Sometimes you can't just unring the bell.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)What is her explanation? If it's just "oops," I have serious questions about her ability/qualifications to be president.
Logical
(22,457 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)It wasn't a misspeak. It was an outright lie.
Or she believes it and is lying now.
xocet
(3,875 posts)n/t
Metric System
(6,048 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)but she didn't correct the record. She just said she misspoke, and failed to counter the lie she told with the truth about the Reagans and AIDS.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I want to know the story. If it really was just a stupid, ignorant mistake, OMG. If it wasn't, OMG.
revbones
(3,660 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)As soon as she emitted the first sentence of that part, my middle-finger reflex was activated.
But you know what? Up to that point I was looking at the society pictures of "the club you aren't in" and suppressing my gag reflex. Maybe Nancy did do that quietly, and only the 1% knows, and Hill forgot her audience wasn't just the 1%.
It's a theory, fwiw. I'm trying to come up with an explanation for something I find inexplicable.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I'm still totally baffled. (And enraged.)
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I have no problem highlighting Hillary's issues during an election cycle.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Added like an epithet? Rly?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)All "bipartisan" and shit...
She doesn't even know enough about it to stay away from the subject apparently.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Or....?
There is no way to look at this that doesn't make Hillary look like either a terrible person or a fool.
jillan
(39,451 posts)candidate that stood for LGBT rights all along?
When he served in the House of Representatives, then-Congressman Sanders voted against Dont Ask, Dont Tell in 1993 and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. Sen. Sanders hailed the landmark Supreme Court decisions in 2013 and 2015 which struck down DOMA and recognized same-sex marriage is a right in all 50 states, calling the decisions a victory for same-sex couples across our country as well as all those seeking to live in a nation where every citizen is afforded equal rights.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Sanders was never an activist on LGBT issues and I think that it is gross that Bernie supporters want to capitalize on this in this way.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Sacred bond between a man and a woman...
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And talk about capitalizing on things. . . have you paid attention to any of the criticism of Hillary or do you just brush it by as the rabble .. .. .
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)order to dismiss this abysmal crap Hillary said. I'm the activist, and fuck Ron and Nancy. Fuck anyone who wishes to claim they were anything less than monsters in regard to AIDS.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)... don't remember how awful the 80's and early 90's were in regards to AIDS?
Maybe they weren't around yet?
Or maybe they had no ties to the community that was being fucking ravaged by the "LET 'EM DIE" policies of the Reagan administration?
Or maybe they're clueless sycophants...
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I remember.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)...(which I'm about to do) is that I miss out on great replies like this.
No shit, you're the greatest. You nail it every time.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)loved by the world. Several of the people I personally lost are people everyone knew, people who were already shaking up the world and who were cut down in their primes. Most of the people I lost were PoC. Black and Latino, not all Americans either.
I have to assume those who attempt to defend or minimize this were not present in those times and that they have never bothered to educate themselves about those times. Every American should know all of these things, and anyone who is LGBT or African American who does not know these things is not being a good member of their own communities.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)I'm old enough that I had some vague awareness of what was going on at the time, but not old enough for it to seem really real to me until, years later, I moved to San Francisco and became friends with people who had Been There--who had buried literally all of their friends, and still felt the survivor's guilt 25 years later. I don't have words to describe the effect that had on me; but I can say that your message needs to be repeated again and again, because even among those who agree with you politically, most cannot truly fathom the magnitude of the horror of those days. And this would be true even if we didn't have Hillary and her ilk papering over their past sins. (And to be clear, I'm not pretending I "get" it in the same way you do--I was just fortunate enough to gain some second-hand insights from personal friends. I know damn well that's not the same thing.)
So thanks again. I love seeing you put Camp Weathervane in its place for sure, but you're doing something far more important here. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Hillary is a liar. She lies about Bernie's record all the time.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I am offended/baffled, and trying to figure out whatinthehell she was thinking, if she was.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)community forever.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)because of the vote she will be targeting. I could be wrong...
Metric System
(6,048 posts)nominee & then I will write the fucker a check & vote for 'em. Deal?"
Interesting that a Sanders supporter would skip over that part.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Don't act like some pumas didn't stay home or cross over to McCain.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Hope I don't have to.
Skittles
(153,310 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)With liberal donors tapped out, she'll start pandering more and more to conservatives.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)snail mails from her asking for money. I won't bother saying what i replied and mailed back.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)How is that a plus? the crossover types dont want to hear pro AIDS stuff this makes no sense, this cross over excuse , for me. Claiming the Reagans were pro AIDS advocacy is a minus to crossover types one would think!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)There's plenty of Reagan Republicans left.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Reagan republicans are HOMOPHOBES. maybe you meant Reagan Democrats.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)My point.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)just a series of then in my opinion, This one is a large one.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But I still think someone has a 47% moment. They probably are just waiting for the right time to drop it.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I wouldn't trust those snakes at GS not to have secretly videoed Hillary's speeches to them, a copy is a nice ace in the hole.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)They seen what happened to Romney
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)There's no way she's going to stay high in the polls after this level of pandering/misspeaking/whatever the hell you want to call it.
840high
(17,196 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)jalan48
(13,916 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)LS_Editor
(893 posts)And it is presumptuous.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Seattle loves Bernie!
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Larry Speakes was making fun of the AIDS situation. Remind me again how Nancy helped gay people, I keep forgetting.
Skittles
(153,310 posts)the damage done because of their homophobia was SICKENING
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I had thought they didn't even then...
Skittles
(153,310 posts)I am actually glad Hillary made this gaffe (but WTF, where did she get from) because it brings attention to what a vile couple the "love story" of Ronald and Nancy actually was - they were sickening
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)That kind of ass-kissing is likely to have left them witha foul taste in their mouths.