2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe events in Chicago make it clear that we need to support the Dem nominee regardless of who it is
Minorities are under siege. Trump is making a not-so-subtle call for ethnic cleansing. He doesn't want to make America great again. He wants to make America white again.
We need to unite and support Hillary if she's the nominee. We need to unite and support Bernie if he's the nominee.
Failing to vote for the nominee is the ultimate act of white privilege.
Minorities don't have the luxury of sitting this one out.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)As flawed as Hillary Clinton is, I don't see how anyone on here could believe that she would not be 1000 times better than Trump or any of the clowns on the other side.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)I can't believe what we are witnessing.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Issues of economic injustice, oligarchic power, and the corruption of our political system by corporate money are at the top of my priority list, and it's not even close. It's not that I'm unconcerned about minority issues...far from it. I'm not a racial minority, but I understand inequality and injustice from the point of someone subject to it (being a woman will do that...). Yet the above issues remain my top priority, as I don't think significant progress can ever be made on other injustices until progress is made on those.
Is Hillary any better on economic justice issues that Trump? Well, given Trump's lack of substantive details, it's kind of hard to say...but I sincerely doubt it. Hillary is financed by billionaires...Trump is a billionaire. They have no leverage over Trump (he doesn't need their money), but if he's inclined to favor Big Money in his political actions (the more likely call), that's not going to be any different from someone who favors them because she's beholden. Both scenarios alarm and disgust me. Either as President would be a big setback for economic justice.
I also have big character problems with Hillary. Namely, she ain't got much. It matters.
But if Hillary's on the ballot and my state's in play (big distinction...since it probably won't be), I'll still vote for her and deal with the blow to my self-esteem later. Because SCOTUS...
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I'm sorry, but the establishment in the Republican party created their Frankenstein Trump when they fed the base of their party Fox-News and extremist-radio poison for years! They did it to control and enrage large numbers of Republicans, so the Republican Establishment could win elections and protest Democratic policies.
Nice going, you created your own feral constituency, and now they've turned on the Republican party and are now owned by Trump.
And the Democratic Establishment--the DNC--has forced Hillary on us as THEIR candidate of choice. We rejected her in 2008. The DNC wheeled her out again with a tailor-made debate schedule, media coverage and loads of other advantages. Despite all of those advantages, Clinton will be fighting to the death until the end of the convention--because support for her is lukewarm and based mainly on her "inevitability" not passion or genuine enthusiasm.
There's little passion for her. 600 showed up at one of her Florida rallies; 9,000 for Bernie. We cannot win this year against Trump with a candidate like Hillary who has 600 people at her rallies, while Bernie is filling stadiums (and more importantly, so is Trump!).
We've got such low voter turnout in the Dem primary. The Republicans have record turnout!
Why in the hell did the Dem Establishment (and they're not even the majority of our party) create such a vulnerable situation not only for our party--but also for the country--by leveraging ONE weak candidate?
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)that the system must change. Trump's answer is embraced by the fearful, and Bernie's by those more thoughtful and brave.
To turn to one who does NOT represent fundamental change is to fly in the face of the basic issue. Rather, we ought to support the one who can defeat Trumpism and bring the fearful to a better understanding.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)When people tell me they will sit out , because Clinton because Sanders
I say sure but I got a lot more to lose so NO
They will grumble if Trump wins but not be caught in the emboldened hate and violence others will suffer
Oh they "will stand with them " and be disgusted if it gets bad enough but may not actively fight its growth
Just like the people who didn't like Trump getting shut down here in Chicago because it looks bad
Trump looks bad to me . They can shrug free speech and look away he's not talking about them
that's another white privilege to me.
To say be polite and also to say don't protest
Polite non violent protest yes I understand but to say don't protest that is not good - OK, for who?
and there was no "riot " here tonight either
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)She may not be as reliable as you think.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Trump is just throwing red meat to the GOP audiences that he attracts.
Once Trump is shoved to the side, the eventual GOP nominee, Cruz, will ask for calm and the GOP faithful will easily coalesce around him like sheep.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)socialistforpeople
(18 posts)Tired of these fear tactics. I won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. And if we need to unite then let us unite with someone with our values and concerns. The "lesser evil" nonsense is what dictated the last few elections we had and it still hasn't gotten better. I don't have the luxury to vote for Hillary, as a minority either. Because I know I'm f*cked either way. As a long standing Democrat, I'll have to leave the party, in good conscious.
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)Nails it.
coyote
(1,561 posts)If Hillary is the nominee, we are screwed either way.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)He is the only one who will actually fight for minorities and poor whites. It doesn't have to be either/or. Gay/straight, black/white, poor/middle class, male/female, Bernie is the one with the record fighting for us.
All of us.
Hillary has the record of fighting for the 1%.