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Please clear your mouth of food and beverages before reading this... (Original Post) FlatBaroque Mar 2016 OP
lol Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #1
She didn't know because she wouldn't give him the time of day. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2
What? You think she has eyes in the back of her head? dogman Mar 2016 #3
Mislooked...LOLLL FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #4
Mislooked. Bwah! bigwillq Mar 2016 #10
you're bringing joy to my day mooseprime Mar 2016 #13
Mine, too! Duval Mar 2016 #64
lol 840high Mar 2016 #91
DUzy!!! n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #38
+1 for the DUzy Kittycat Mar 2016 #190
Mislooked Aerows Mar 2016 #147
ROFL!!nt m-lekktor Mar 2016 #164
... sarge43 Mar 2016 #177
GREAT RESPONSE.... SHE MISLOOKED! Best post of the day! But really... don't her staffers know how cyberpj Mar 2016 #279
This should help bring the party together and drive up her honesty numbers. Skwmom Mar 2016 #5
I want to rec this 1,000,000 times! dchill Mar 2016 #6
X2 NWCorona Mar 2016 #21
hahahah amazing find. AnotherVoter Mar 2016 #7
I found another interesting picture.. if it's real??? AnotherVoter Mar 2016 #17
Believe it. The Sanders twitter account is the original source of that one. nt IllinoisLabour Mar 2016 #22
Yes. That is definitely real. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #26
It's real. Hillary (who claims now she doesn't know what Bernie was doing while SHE fought for peacebird Mar 2016 #33
It is so sad Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #54
I'll bet Rove is working for her now behind the scenes. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #380
Telling deliberate lies. Shame on her! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #96
She shoots herself in the foot again. We have the interwebs, we can refute her bullcrap instantly! peacebird Mar 2016 #131
+1 Desperation. Fail- appalachiablue Mar 2016 #138
Team Clinton still doesn't get it. The net forgets nothing. n/t sarge43 Mar 2016 #183
More proof that Reagan won't be the only one who suffered from senility. And, lied a lot. nt leveymg Mar 2016 #226
Don't think it's onset senility. More like arrogance sarge43 Mar 2016 #231
Ok. I'll go with that. leveymg Mar 2016 #232
Forgot about that. sarge43 Mar 2016 #234
And how willing she is to stab supporters in the back if needed. arcane1 Mar 2016 #238
She has an ego as big as a house anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #334
Without the interwebs, we wouldn't stand a chance senz Mar 2016 #257
+10000 nt Euphoria Mar 2016 #328
yup LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #378
You don't have any proof she's lying. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #402
Here's the C-Span Clip The Far Left Mar 2016 #375
Looks like she "misspoke" again... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #8
That is a good one! Merryland Mar 2016 #9
Because we have the web now..... dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #397
K&R! dchill Mar 2016 #11
Sniper fire!! Barack_America Mar 2016 #12
Incoming! Drop and roll! Divernan Mar 2016 #55
like shooting fish in a barrel AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #241
lol, just emailed that to a friend strugglng w/homework overload. nt senz Mar 2016 #268
Her bubble is smaller than that. He is at least 2 feet away. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #14
OMFG cyberswede Mar 2016 #15
To be fair, she might not have turned around jberryhill Mar 2016 #16
Here is the source for the OP's pic and where she thanks him for joining her…. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #28
You do realize of course jberryhill Mar 2016 #37
102 degree fever has rendered me joke impaired. Maybe it is time for a nap. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #40
A Tylenol, a nap and a call to your Dr. for an appt. Today! Duval Mar 2016 #78
Take care... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #228
I thought the Linda Blair reference would cheer you up jberryhill Mar 2016 #297
Hey! My daughter just made me some the with ginger/lemon/with a touch of cayenne. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #301
What a gem she must be jberryhill Mar 2016 #302
Thank you. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #178
By tomorrow the HRC group will have it up that Bernie's campaign truedelphi Mar 2016 #310
Perfect. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #322
The Sanders twitter account should post that! nt IllinoisLabour Mar 2016 #18
it's all over twitter n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #63
WTH! She said this????? Jackilope Mar 2016 #19
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS? READ IT! PonyUp Mar 2016 #20
#WhichHillary indeed! NWCorona Mar 2016 #23
She's always been a champion. Mad respect for Hillary Clinton. grossproffit Mar 2016 #24
As a woman, I am embarrassed by Hillary's lies. No hero to me, that's for sure. djean111 Mar 2016 #41
She is to me and to millions of other women. grossproffit Mar 2016 #56
Well, good for you and her! djean111 Mar 2016 #69
Is she a "champion" of the hundreds of thousands innocent Women & Children senselessly mass murdered bvar22 Mar 2016 #204
No repect here HRC isnot prgrsv Mar 2016 #235
PINOTW noiretextatique Mar 2016 #365
gender over integrity! TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #405
Do you think it is a good thing Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #42
Or that she was wrong/misleading in so many cases SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #416
if so, then why ellennelle Mar 2016 #48
That's the kind of praise they heaped on Thatcher too n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #66
Correction -- the kind of praise the REPUBLICANS heaped on Thatcher. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #151
Yes, she doesn't back down, which is why her health care plan passed. jeff47 Mar 2016 #73
That is true, she never backs down - no matter how wrong she is. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #83
^ this ^ Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #326
You want to be a woman like her, eh? She's a proven liar. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #106
That's nice, dear dorkzilla Mar 2016 #110
Very well said, dorkzilla senz Mar 2016 #276
Thanks senz! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #281
Ah, sounds so good. senz Mar 2016 #296
LOL! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #298
We're unsung heroes, dorkzilla senz Mar 2016 #327
I saw that fight in her when she talked to black protestors noiretextatique Mar 2016 #366
She's loud and bossy, I'll give her that passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #132
Bernie is the absolute antithesis of bossy... Paka Mar 2016 #274
Sorry that for daring to express support for Hillary Clinton you got a hornet hive impersonation Number23 Mar 2016 #135
The Hornet's Nest is because Clinton lied. Armstead Mar 2016 #256
Maybe to some it is? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #262
That post doesn't have one thing to with any "lies." It was someone daring to express their Number23 Mar 2016 #272
It's acceptable in the HRC group noiretextatique Mar 2016 #367
Some people don't value honesty or integrity as an asset of the candidate they will vote for. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #387
I don't understand the need noiretextatique Mar 2016 #412
Not a good role model for women. Voice for Peace Mar 2016 #141
Hillary's a habitual liar n/t left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #168
You should have saved yourself for Elizabeth Warren senz Mar 2016 #273
Don't you think she's being disingenuous to claim Bernie wasn't around when ALBliberal Mar 2016 #374
Being strong is not in question. Her honesty is. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #407
"why are you calling her dishonest? do you have a problem with women?!" MisterP Mar 2016 #25
Naw, man. A woman BIRTHED me. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #30
OMG I'M SHAKING RIGHT NOW I AM SOBBING FOR ALL GENERATIONS OF MY SISTERS MisterP Mar 2016 #45
I could not even guess FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #51
You are mistaking truth with viciousness, the truth really does hurt doesnt it? litlbilly Mar 2016 #140
ah, this subthread's a parody of a particularly hyperventilating OP MisterP Mar 2016 #149
Oh Good Dawg.... truebluegreen Mar 2016 #203
Meanwhile, back in reality noiretextatique Mar 2016 #368
This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #288
Too funny, nt. Broward Mar 2016 #27
Amy Chozick noamnety Mar 2016 #29
snort! nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #155
She has no honor. MuseRider Mar 2016 #31
Don't let the apologies bother you too much, if she somehow goes against the odds and becomes A Simple Game Mar 2016 #157
Sadly true. n/t MuseRider Mar 2016 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author Lodestar Mar 2016 #240
Even tho this deserves a laugh libodem Mar 2016 #32
I know EXACTLY what you mean FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #39
Same here. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #76
Thank you libodem Mar 2016 #346
It's better if you train yourself to read that icon as "whistling in the dark"... thesquanderer Mar 2016 #70
Yep libodem Mar 2016 #345
tweet it! merrily Mar 2016 #34
k&R!!! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #35
Hillary Lies Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #36
Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does cantbeserious Mar 2016 #43
40 megaton K&R mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #44
And sitting opposite her TubbersUK Mar 2016 #46
K&R Mbrow Mar 2016 #47
The other thread on this also shows a handwritten note from HRC to Bernie BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #49
This thread needs pictures ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #233
PLEASE tell me Hillary didn't actually say something that brain-dead stupid. arcane1 Mar 2016 #50
BWHAHAHAHAHA...... Segami Mar 2016 #52
Bwahahaha! Lorien Mar 2016 #53
Just Priceless!!! n/t michaz Mar 2016 #57
I know... I'm reading "Pat the Bunny" Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #58
Oh, that wascally bunny wabbit! Funny! Divernan Mar 2016 #72
Somebody should photoshop a Waldo hat and shirt on Sanders ;) nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #278
OK, that's funny JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #59
Its only funny to a certain point. If you still support her with all this lying baggage, its on you litlbilly Mar 2016 #153
Yeah... JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #222
again, its all on you. If youre not voting for Bernie because of us, then good for u:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #265
Sanders should just be glad you don't work on his campaign staff. JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #335
Your lack of critical thinking/knowledge of the actual issues is concerning phazed0 Mar 2016 #355
Keep up the good work JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #369
Have a nice day! phazed0 Mar 2016 #372
Shameful accusations eh? TM99 Mar 2016 #319
Sounding a lot El Shaman Mar 2016 #420
That's funny JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #432
I'm seriously thinking that there is something wrong with her at this point pinebox Mar 2016 #60
she's scared dana_b Mar 2016 #102
I'm thinking it's more than that pinebox Mar 2016 #107
I think I know what you're saying dana_b Mar 2016 #126
Obama was quoted as seeing the fear in her eyes, in 2008. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #411
Did she collapse from "dehydration" or was it a stroke? Divernan Mar 2016 #116
Perhaps some anti-anxiety meds? hootinholler Mar 2016 #172
The oddest thing is that my husband was remarking that Bill Clinton seemed Karma13612 Mar 2016 #237
Bill has not looked healthy to me for this whole campaign season. eom passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #293
quite. Actually, feeble comes to mind. eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #395
Damn she's such a liar or has a TERRIBLE memory. And look here: dana_b Mar 2016 #61
Holy shit. PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #71
She doesn't remember seeing him there, but she ran into herself and Bill... nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #280
If her memory is that bad....maybe she'll forget she's running for president.. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #120
lol... maybe!! dana_b Mar 2016 #129
good one! thanks Merryland Mar 2016 #306
Her lying has gotten completely out of control! reformist2 Mar 2016 #148
That Bernie Sanders guy has been remarkably consistent. PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #62
Life is pretty simple when you don't have to remember your lies. / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #99
Thank you for the warning Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #65
See my post on #HistorybyHillary Fawke Em Mar 2016 #67
A lot of time she didn't even know where Bill was. Divernan Mar 2016 #68
Hillary has a huge staff with a huge budget. Before she speaks she needs to vet LuckyLib Mar 2016 #74
Exactly. Bernie's staff was busted by DU's vocal minority... SMC22307 Mar 2016 #191
Maybe she really IS a technological dinosaur... Holly_Hobby Mar 2016 #75
That one is going to sting a little ornotna Mar 2016 #77
he likes to photobomb the real leaders... eom artyteacher Mar 2016 #79
you have got to be... dana_b Mar 2016 #88
He's never been in it for fame. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #176
Then why is he behind Clinton NWCorona Mar 2016 #90
Is that so? Here he is in 1993 DEBATING REPUBLICANS on the house floor on single payer health care: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #93
Funny, she's a "real leader" in this case dorkzilla Mar 2016 #118
I just posted an op with that video: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #121
Great post BMUS dorkzilla Mar 2016 #125
Sounds lovely! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #127
It was! dorkzilla Mar 2016 #145
for single payer? artyteacher Mar 2016 #143
Nice try, but there is a serious problem with your new spin: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #144
aw thats nice. artyteacher Mar 2016 #182
You ever think about working with Brock passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #312
This message was self-deleted by its author dana_b Mar 2016 #80
thank you for the heads up! So glad I set down cup and swallowed before clicking! magical thyme Mar 2016 #81
I can't imagine what it must be like, to go through life being so completely dishonest Scootaloo Mar 2016 #82
It's exhausting when you're an honest person trying to lie. Unknown Beatle Mar 2016 #325
Huma did say that Clinton was easily confused lol NWCorona Mar 2016 #84
In the interest of accuracy it was "often confused".... PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #136
Fair enough NWCorona Mar 2016 #150
Just like Republicans -- sitting around in some back room thinking of anything to smear Bernie pdsimdars Mar 2016 #85
"Sitting around in some back room thinking of anything to smear him." Gary 50 Mar 2016 #170
When will she ever learn? LWolf Mar 2016 #86
Thread Enhancement: Courtesy of dana_b FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #87
Awesome. we know Bernie is committed to real healthcare reform. Hillary? Autumn Mar 2016 #95
Looks like Hillary isn't firing on all cylinders. The note thanking him and now this? Autumn Mar 2016 #89
Hillary will beat herself, mountain grammy Mar 2016 #92
I agree with this post Champion Jack Mar 2016 #109
Please...please... stop all this nonsense. democrank Mar 2016 #94
hehehe... dana_b Mar 2016 #98
don't take the bait. let. it. go MisterP Mar 2016 #112
In all probability Bruce Rappaport. thereismore Mar 2016 #356
that's not Bernie Enrique Mar 2016 #97
... arcane1 Mar 2016 #101
Yep, I bet it is! passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #180
What a catch! Duval Mar 2016 #100
Open mouth passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #103
More like open mouth, change feet. n/y OxQQme Mar 2016 #243
Really! passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #259
Has Capehart weighed in? Is that really Bernie? Broward Mar 2016 #104
Lost in the crowd jeepers Mar 2016 #105
History is not Hillary's strong suit, and apparently it's not her supporters' either, from 1993: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #108
The crowd of two. arcane1 Mar 2016 #119
Yup, lost in the crowd alright. TM99 Mar 2016 #323
Before she embarrasses herself, Hillary should get neurological exam (she had NCjack Mar 2016 #111
She`s well enough to command democrank Mar 2016 #115
Perhaps she should be a "talking head" for the rest of her life and not president with NCjack Mar 2016 #122
Hillary often confused said Huma in emails (both before and after concussion) Divernan Mar 2016 #156
Huma's comments are way more damaging than Hillary's IMO Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #309
Yet another distortion UglyGreed Mar 2016 #113
As far as she knows, she never lies Geronimoe Mar 2016 #114
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #117
Really? So Bernie has been a Hillary supporter all along? He should drop out then. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #123
THAT is what you take away from this thread?? dana_b Mar 2016 #133
You really dont understand the idea of unintended consequences of your actions and statements stevenleser Mar 2016 #161
I disagree. He was not a "been a supporter of hers" dana_b Mar 2016 #251
So everyone who wants single or universal health care is a Hillary supporter??? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #317
Speaking of unintended consequences of your statements ornotna Mar 2016 #382
But you're missing some critical info! noamnety Mar 2016 #392
I think what she has is contagious to her supporters:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #194
LMFAO Nailed it! Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #321
Strong understanding of the issues? Why thank you! stevenleser Mar 2016 #344
Boom. thereismore Mar 2016 #360
I would think you would be ashamed of how very lame your comment is. djean111 Mar 2016 #137
"Oh how the once mighty have fallen." n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #142
Sometimes it's like dealing with third graders here. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #320
Nice Fox like snark. n/t Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #314
Bernie has just as much of a tie to Fox as I do. I guess you can't support him now. LOL! stevenleser Mar 2016 #316
To be fair, she does not have eyes in the back! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #124
then how about this: dana_b Mar 2016 #134
Aw c'mon. She just miswrote. nt cyberswede Mar 2016 #146
To be fair that picture is in black and white and she lives in technicolor lies tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #158
Holy smokes... Helen Borg Mar 2016 #162
Damn... SixString Mar 2016 #286
Apparently she doesn't have them in the front of her head either. n/t michaz Mar 2016 #139
OMG LOL tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #159
Well, you know.... daleanime Mar 2016 #128
She seems to be unable to stop lying. I wonder if it's a medical or psychological condition Doctor_J Mar 2016 #130
It is a character Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #358
... AzDar Mar 2016 #152
I just realized that this is what Rep. John Lewis said about Bernie too dana_b Mar 2016 #154
They are laying the groundwork for a new smear. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #160
That's a good and interesting point. arcane1 Mar 2016 #165
Dolores Huerta on Obama-2008 Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #202
wow - it is a pattern dana_b Mar 2016 #253
This woman was an attorney and she did not know that Bernie was for healthcare for all bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #163
Kick and recommend imagine2015 Mar 2016 #166
You know what I find saddest about all of this? PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #167
That's it! I'm voting for Sanders Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #169
good for you! dana_b Mar 2016 #255
"I didn't know there was a photo..." TwilightGardener Mar 2016 #171
He obviously had her back on this issue at a time when a lot of folks Jarqui Mar 2016 #173
The word "betrayal" comes to mind. Do we want betrayors in the White House? arcane1 Mar 2016 #184
The word stupidity also comes to mind because she's floated this bullshit before Jarqui Mar 2016 #230
And if elected, what wouldn't she do to be reelected? n/t The Far Left Mar 2016 #388
There is really something fundamentally wrong with this person FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #185
and that's sad. polly7 Mar 2016 #219
I think you are right laundry_queen Mar 2016 #266
That's interesting. Hadn't thought of it and I wouldn't have. Thanks nt Jarqui Mar 2016 #333
On Supporting Hillary... "You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into." tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #174
Did he actually DO anything other than stand next to her once at Dartmouth? nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #175
Hillary Clinton herself answers "yes": arcane1 Mar 2016 #181
Nope. She thanked him for his "commitment," that does not confirm he DID anything. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #188
And what did she DO besides give speeches? arcane1 Mar 2016 #196
She got 8 million kids covered under SCHIP, for one thing. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #284
No, that's not exactly right Jarqui Mar 2016 #351
Yes, it is exactly right. Ted Kennedy gave Hillary credit. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #373
Here's some of the press on this: Jarqui Mar 2016 #398
She never said she wrote SCHIP. She was instrumental in getting it passed. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #414
No. Nice try but no cigar. Cherry picking Orin Hatch to shoot one messenger Jarqui Mar 2016 #418
Kennedy did not call her out. He gave her credit. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #419
As a matter of fact he did call her out. Jarqui Mar 2016 #424
That is not calling her out on SCHIP. Kennedy credited Hillary for SCHIP. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #425
You MUST be kidding, right? Mr. Brutus Mar 2016 #354
make this go viral, please fierywoman Mar 2016 #189
Typical shallow reasoning treestar Mar 2016 #215
Exactly. But I guess it works for the twitter crowd. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #218
Except Bernie took the fight to the Republicans in the house while she posed for pictures: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #242
Bernie was debating an empty chamber in Congress. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #287
Bernie has been on the front lines all along while she gave up and took millions from the industry: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #289
Sanders abandoned single payer in Vermont when it came time to pay for it. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #294
He couldn't abandon it because it wasn't his legislation, he's a US SENATOR, remember? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #299
Then why did Hillary herself give him credit? arcane1 Mar 2016 #245
... laundry_queen Mar 2016 #267
Curse you Al Gore! See what happens when you invent the internet? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #290
She did not give him credit. She thanked him for his stated "commitment." SunSeeker Mar 2016 #292
"she was being eviscerated by insurance companies"? Then why did she get in bed with them?? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #300
She was eviscerated by their money, making her the clear victim here. arcane1 Mar 2016 #303
LMAO! Stop being so sexisssssst!!! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #308
Of course, you cannot deny Bernie abandoned Vermont single payer. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #304
How could he possibly "abandon" state legislation that wasn't his to begin with? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #307
It was "his" until the law passed and VT crunched the actual numbers. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #315
How could it be his law when he's not a VERMONT LEGISLATOR? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #318
I know how government works. Shumlin isn't the reason it failed. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #329
Obviously you don't since you keep blaming Bernie for the failure in Vt when he's a US SENATOR. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #331
It is not me who is "regurgitating talking points." nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #338
Yes it is, words taken right from BBB at kos. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #340
I don't know who "BBB" is, but I'm sure others have noticed that Bernie abandoned VT single payer. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #342
Keep digging! And kicking this FABULOUS thread! Maybe it will get 500 recs today. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #343
The oligarchs could avoid a tax in Vermont. The Far Left Mar 2016 #394
I guess you don't understand how it works in politics. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #337
For Pete's sake.....this is demented. Punkingal Mar 2016 #179
That's actually Bruce Rapparport with Hillary on the day she announced Nancy Reagan had cured AIDS.. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #186
This is classic Clinton casperthegm Mar 2016 #187
No, it's because they want her to win so badly passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #339
There are lies and then there are Hillary's LIES!!! nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #192
Damn those newfangled camera devices! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #193
I keep thinking about this. MuseRider Mar 2016 #195
I understand the source of your nostalgia. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #201
I could not agree more with what you said. MuseRider Mar 2016 #216
I am right there next to you, Muse. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #362
That's Hillary in front of the mic, taking the initiative, right? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #198
OMFG, How quickly they forget! IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #199
Proof that one can run one's mouth but the truth won't hide. valerief Mar 2016 #200
Proved to me that she is a total opportunist- no more. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #205
"I'm Hillary Clinton and I stab my supporters in the back for personal gain. Support me!!" arcane1 Mar 2016 #208
It makes sad Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #264
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #206
Usually it is Republicans who provoke the response, truebluegreen Mar 2016 #207
Thank you for the food/drink warning! ejbr Mar 2016 #209
Where was her staff when she came up with this attack meme? Moral Compass Mar 2016 #210
It's inexplicable. Why would she shoot herself in the foot like this? Why Nay Mar 2016 #408
Bernie is and never has been a slacker madokie Mar 2016 #211
She lies just as easily as she breathes... Indepatriot Mar 2016 #212
So he happens to be standing there are one point treestar Mar 2016 #213
Yeah, go with that. That is the way to Credibility! arcane1 Mar 2016 #239
How much is a lot of time? Decades? Here he is in 1993: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #246
Well, he must have done something else because she signed a note under a picture Karma13612 Mar 2016 #247
Didn't you know? It's entirely a coincidence that he was standing back there, unbeknownst to her. arcane1 Mar 2016 #250
haha!! EOM Karma13612 Mar 2016 #252
He's Forrest Gump. He just happens to get into photos at key moments, without TwilightGardener Mar 2016 #377
LOLOLOL! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #383
She is such a fucking liar. Or she has alzheimer's and is unfit for the oval office: cui bono Mar 2016 #214
LIes, lies and more lies..... That oughta do the trick Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #217
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #220
That damn Bernie! Never has your back! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #221
Kicked and recommended! This post should have a bazillion recommendations! eom Enthusiast Mar 2016 #223
True leadership Carlo Marx Mar 2016 #224
FA.IL. Initech Mar 2016 #225
Well, she doesn't have eyes behind her head, you know!! Cal33 Mar 2016 #227
Absolutely precious HRC isnot prgrsv Mar 2016 #229
She is a walking, talking DISASTER. SoapBox Mar 2016 #236
And the determined look on his face! He was backing her up. senz Mar 2016 #244
These fools are pretending he somehow snuck up behind her randomly to get in the shot. arcane1 Mar 2016 #248
... senz Mar 2016 #258
I sense a new meme there: Berniebomb. Bernie somehow manages to show up in old photos of FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #260
Please don't give them any ideas / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #263
Ha by a ha ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #249
Maybe Hillary Clinton had not been introduced to Bernie Sanders in 1993 and PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #254
Bernie invented photobombing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #283
There must be two Hillarys elljay Mar 2016 #261
Give her a break deutsey Mar 2016 #269
That's just unreal laundry_queen Mar 2016 #270
Starting to wonder, wouldn't it be easier if she just started telling the truth? raindaddy Mar 2016 #271
Thanks for the warning, FlatBaroque! I could have choked to death! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #275
:) FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #277
I've been laughing since I recommended this thread a couple of hours ago me b zola Mar 2016 #282
always like my memory PatrynXX Mar 2016 #285
Are the media running this? The Washington Post? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #291
Esquire FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #295
Interesting. myrna minx Mar 2016 #305
Oh come on now! WTF! Do you expect her to have eyes in the back of her head??? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #311
see post #61 n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #390
She even thanked him for that help nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #313
Chozick's verision of "I never saw Bernie Sanders. I never saw him. I saw the Clintons." aikoaiko Mar 2016 #324
In Hillary's defense . . . cer7711 Mar 2016 #330
see post #61 n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #391
WTF? blackspade Mar 2016 #332
Are Sanders supporters really pretending that he was a major voice in the health care battle?!? It's Metric System Mar 2016 #336
I guess we are always supposed to know better LWolf Mar 2016 #421
It appears to me she knew EXACTLY where he was... Triana Mar 2016 #341
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #347
Good thing this came with a warning Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #348
My stomach hurts from laughing Xipe Totec Mar 2016 #349
I wonder if she'll discover that she "misspoke" again or if she'll just try to ride it out. (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2016 #350
Cant even lunasun Mar 2016 #352
Bernie should have done "the monster." thereismore Mar 2016 #353
or sitting across from her, as shown on her thank-you note to Bernie. raging moderate Mar 2016 #357
K&R n/t Jon Ace Mar 2016 #359
Yeah, where was he? Mufaddal Mar 2016 #361
Excellent post! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #363
I suggest you make this an OP / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #393
Nice! Zorra Mar 2016 #399
She had a John Lewis moment noiretextatique Mar 2016 #364
523 recs?! When was the last time THAT happened! Fearless Mar 2016 #370
There is a reason this has 500+ recs, senseandsensibility Mar 2016 #371
Tradition demands she get a few thousand rear view mirrors in her mail. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #376
I have never seen this many recs LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #379
She is so far removed from the common folk, each day that become clearer. nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #381
Unbelievable pokerfan Mar 2016 #384
Misspoke, mislooked, mistake. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #385
Another artful smear debunked. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #386
Brilliant! Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #389
For someone keen on "silent activism" she seems to have a lot of trouble Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #396
I remember this from my cspan junkie days. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #400
This must break the DU record for "Recommends" at +500 and counting FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #401
598! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #422
to be fair: it's easy to forget a thing like that TheSarcastinator Mar 2016 #403
Haha. Classic. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #404
You can't blame HRC Shadowflash Mar 2016 #406
ok, this thread is classic! misspoke, mislooked, miswrote... all except misled. NuttyFluffers Mar 2016 #409
:( BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2016 #410
That is Sec. Hillary Clinton in a nutshell. KeepItReal Mar 2016 #413
How stupid does she think we are?? nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #415
I don't know which is worse stage left Mar 2016 #417
great picture...great find... different equation Mar 2016 #423
a big 602 Kick! Agony Mar 2016 #426
Holy buckets! FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #427
Prolly mostly Bernie sock puppets!!! Agony Mar 2016 #429
Now... With Video !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #428
Thank you WillyT FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #430
Anytime !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #431
! demmiblue Mar 2016 #433
 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
279. GREAT RESPONSE.... SHE MISLOOKED! Best post of the day! But really... don't her staffers know how
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:49 PM
Mar 2016

to use Google?

Or do these lies spring out of her mouth with no support-team warning at all?

Either way, it's astounding.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
33. It's real. Hillary (who claims now she doesn't know what Bernie was doing while SHE fought for
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

health care back in the 90's) "forgets" that SHE wrote Bernie a note thanking him for all his support on the issue back then.

And people think we should vote for someone who LIES all the time?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
380. I'll bet Rove is working for her now behind the scenes.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:18 AM
Mar 2016

He despises the Tea Party wing (Ted Cruz)
And he must loathe the unpredictable, irrational, and uncontrollable Trump.

He wants America back firmly in the right wing corporacracy status quo that only Clinton can deliver. If nothing else to show Republicans the way back to the old school establishment traditional right, for the next election.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
231. Don't think it's onset senility. More like arrogance
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

It's the truth because she says it is. She must be a thrill to work for.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
232. Ok. I'll go with that.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016

It's downright dangerous to work for her, judging by how many of her staff and associates are now being interrogated by the FBI.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
238. And how willing she is to stab supporters in the back if needed.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

I'd hate to be on her staff right now, knowing I could be next.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
9. That is a good one!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:50 PM
Mar 2016

I just realized how little we knew about Hillary back then, kind of a mystery woman, and how much we know her now - no longer a mystery & barely a Democrat.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
397. Because we have the web now.....
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:29 AM
Mar 2016

something she seems to not grasp.

Which is why half of her campaign comments consist of her saying she "mis-spoke" about the other half of her campaign comments.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. Her bubble is smaller than that. He is at least 2 feet away.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

You can't expect her to be aware of anyone or anything that far away.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. To be fair, she might not have turned around
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

It's not like she has eyes in the back of her head, or can do the Linda Blair Exorcist thing (well, not that we've seen yet), so this explains why she doesn't know where he was.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
37. You do realize of course
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

That I was joking. I believe we can safely conclude he was part of the event.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
228. Take care...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

I am just getting over an ear, nose, and throat infection with a side of bronchitis kicked in for fun.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
301. Hey! My daughter just made me some the with ginger/lemon/with a touch of cayenne.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

Very good. I'm rested and the fever is down. Time for some NetFlix.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
310. By tomorrow the HRC group will have it up that Bernie's campaign
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

Photoshopped that entire video and paid big bucks to someone who works the archives
over at C Span!

Jackilope

(819 posts)
19. WTH! She said this?????
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

What about the autographed pic or her quote about "what about the insurance industry".

It is crap like this that would make anyone reconsider holding their nose to vote for her. She is SHAMELESS!

 

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)
20. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS? READ IT!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:53 PM
Mar 2016

Amy Chozick is an American political reporter who works for the New York Times and primarily writes about Hillary Clinton and her family. Wikipedia

A political reporter that doesn't check her political history LMAO

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
24. She's always been a champion. Mad respect for Hillary Clinton.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

She never backed down. I remember watching her and wanting to be a woman like her when I grew up. As strong woman, one that wouldn't be silenced, or back down, and I am that woman.

Many hated her, she was referred to as a bitch even in "polite" conversation and that only made me stronger.

to you Hillary Clinton for being a hero to so many women!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
41. As a woman, I am embarrassed by Hillary's lies. No hero to me, that's for sure.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

And we can SEE that she is lying......so she holds us in contempt, it looks like to me.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
69. Well, good for you and her!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

I cannot support any PERSON who lies and is for war and cluster bombs and the TPP, who sent kids back home to die, just to prove a point - that's my bottom line. I would not support a man who had Hillary's record and policies and stances. That's what feminism is about - not preferential, but equally considered. Hillary does not make the grade, for me. Too much death. Not what I want for the world my grandson has to live in.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
204. Is she a "champion" of the hundreds of thousands innocent Women & Children senselessly mass murdered
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:37 PM
Mar 2016

in Iraq?

Libya?

Honduras

...or do brown people count?

 

HRC isnot prgrsv

(13 posts)
235. No repect here
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

...and I am an older woman. There is nothing more that I would like to see in a President then a female, but not just for the sake of it. It is time to take what Obama did and evolve from it ...not stay the same. She is a centrist, that I think we can all agree on.....we need someone that is left and progressive...truly progressive, not just in name only (I guess that would be PINO).

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
42. Do you think it is a good thing
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

if she won't back down after being wrong/misleading?

eta: I'm only asking because your post seems out of place given the context of this thread

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
416. Or that she was wrong/misleading in so many cases
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

where literally anyone with an internet connection should have known better. So that makes her either stupid, intellectually incurious, or a liar.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
48. if so, then why
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

is she capitulating to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies now, and putting the brakes on bernie's demand for universal healthcare?

more to the point, why is she attacking him with gross and false misrepresentations? here, she wants her audience to think he was MIA when she was doing the heavy lifting in the 90s. where was she when he was getting arrested for civil rights protesting in the 60s? being a goldwater girl.

so many other examples, but these unforced errors will continue to backfire on her. i have defended her for decades, and abhor the thoughtless misogyny directed at her. but this cannot protect her from her missteps, misremembering, misrepresentations, and mis-speakings.

sorry, but she is failing to live up to her own symbolic status.

so wish it were not so.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
151. Correction -- the kind of praise the REPUBLICANS heaped on Thatcher.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

Or was it the Democrats too?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
73. Yes, she doesn't back down, which is why her health care plan passed.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Oh wait...it didn't. And she "backed down" when it didn't.

The fact that Clinton did not curl up into a ball, sobbing, is not the same as "tough".

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
110. That's nice, dear
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

Just because she's called a "fighter" and doesn't back down doesn't mean she should be given a pass for making stupid mistakes again and again, and lying about stuff to further her career, wallet and lust for power.

I cannot understand why people use her so-called fighter persona to paint her as a hero. Trump doesn't back down either, nor do the republicans in general. Doubling down doesn't mean you're honest.

You might want to rethink the whole hero thing and your use of the word "mad".

Signed,
A strong, honest, successful woman who won't be silenced but who has a moral compass and integrity

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
276. Very well said, dorkzilla
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

and very nice to see you, too.

It's funny how female Hill supporters seem to think they're the only females around.

Your sig line is more true than ever. So satisfying to say that, to know it. After MI, I've taken a little break from the massive adrenaline/worry thing I had going. But since the world will stop spinning if I stop worrying (something the scientists haven't figured out yet), I'll resume the whole gut-wrenching exercise in a day or two.

Hope you're getting all the R&R you need without losing your fine edge.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
281. Thanks senz!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

I've been in exile myself, serving time in England and Ireland visiting family. It was really nice to unplug. I'm hopefully going back for the summer because of the humid summers here making my condition worse. It's also great being in the loving bosom of my family and meeting up at the pub every night for a bit of the craic. It's so much different over there, and I love the self-effacing, easy laughing way they have about them.

And I cracked up reading your remark about the world stopping if you don't worry...I've got the same problem LOL!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
296. Ah, sounds so good.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

It's great you have family in such an ancient and interesting locale and can go back in the summer. Yes, unplugging feels so good, and meeting in a pub every night to hang out with easygoing friends is a wonderful way to unwind and reconnect. I too enjoy regional differences among people. We all should travel more and aim for extended stays. I think I could love doing that, and it should be possible with Air B&Bs, etc. Been seriously thinking of becoming an expat if Bernie doesn't win the GE. This beautiful country could become unlivable.

Glad to know that if I take a break from worrying, you can pick up the slack. Think how guilty we'd feel if the world fell apart on account of us! Hope everyone appreciates our noble efforts, lol.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
327. We're unsung heroes, dorkzilla
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

Few know, and fewer appreciate, what we do for them.

But David knew.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
366. I saw that fight in her when she talked to black protestors
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Entitled, condescending and dismissive. She's a fighter when challenged on her record, that's for sure.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
132. She's loud and bossy, I'll give her that
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:43 PM
Mar 2016

But has she ever really accomplished anything significant on her own?

She "helped" get CHIP passed. As far as I can see that is her only positive achievement. She's helped get many negative achievements passed, like tough on crime and welfare reform.

I think her negatives by far outweigh her positives, and I don't like loud and bossy women or men.

And no...Bernie may be loud (when he's enthusiastic), but he's not bossy.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
135. Sorry that for daring to express support for Hillary Clinton you got a hornet hive impersonation
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:46 PM
Mar 2016

And your post wasn't even the tiniest bit anti-Sanders, just pro-Hillary. And most of the folks jumping on your back will be the first ones to holler that DU isn't anti-Hillary and the hatred of her here is just based on "policy."

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
256. The Hornet's Nest is because Clinton lied.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

And got caught in the way. Lying is not an admirable trait no matter what the gender.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
262. Maybe to some it is?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

I can't think of any other explanation.

Maybe they do admire women who can get as down and dirty and dishonest as men in order to win.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
272. That post doesn't have one thing to with any "lies." It was someone daring to express their
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

admiration and support for Hillary Clinton which folks like you have made it abundantly clear is unacceptable here now.

You seem quite happy about that too, and your comment about "gender" really speaks volumes.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
387. Some people don't value honesty or integrity as an asset of the candidate they will vote for.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:23 AM
Mar 2016

Apparently.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
412. I don't understand the need
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016

For constant reinforcement. It's almost as if some need to keep convincing themselves, by trying to censor others.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
141. Not a good role model for women.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

Using lies to manipulate voters is not a value any little girl should admire.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
273. You should have saved yourself for Elizabeth Warren
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

or any decent woman who might run for president in the future.

We all deserve better. Don't settle for less.

ALBliberal

(2,340 posts)
374. Don't you think she's being disingenuous to claim Bernie wasn't around when
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

She was advocating for healthcare? Who helps her in the fact checking department. An embarrassment really.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
407. Being strong is not in question. Her honesty is.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

I accept that part of politics is that they make lies of omission and commission when stating their case. It's just what they do. But if that woman told me my own head was on fire I would not believe her.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
45. OMG I'M SHAKING RIGHT NOW I AM SOBBING FOR ALL GENERATIONS OF MY SISTERS
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

seriously how do these types go to the post office without dying?

that's why they're so vicious online--they feel justified because of their catastrophizing of anything that happens to them

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
149. ah, this subthread's a parody of a particularly hyperventilating OP
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110769845
they're even attacking the admins
I am appalled at the misogyny and racism that is allowed to stand on this site. Skinner, your silence and inaction is your approval. By doing nothing you are telling us this is what you want your site to be.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
368. Meanwhile, back in reality
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:04 AM
Mar 2016

I believe there are women and brown people in Honduras. One of those women was just murdered. Thankfully, before she died, she singled out Clinton for her role in the rw coup. I guess those brown women don't matter.

Response to MisterP (Reply #25)

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
29. Amy Chozick
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:57 PM
Mar 2016

"Amy Chozick is a national political reporter at The New York Times with a focus on covering Hillary Clinton."

and apparently a graduate of the Jonathan Capehart school of journalism.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
31. She has no honor.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

If she used to she has tarnished it saying things like this, and yesterday and the day before. I would rather have someone with enough honor to at least (in the VERY least) try to be honest. Constant apologies and non apologies or no apologies at all show how far someone is willing to sell themselves out. How far will they go to sell us out? Once, twice or maybe even 3 times in the stress and exhaustion of a campaign maybe could be forgiven but this is part of your character as many times as we have seen it over all these years. What is the truth?

EDIT: Also LOL! Imagine.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
157. Don't let the apologies bother you too much, if she somehow goes against the odds and becomes
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

President she will no longer bother with the apologies.

Response to MuseRider (Reply #31)

libodem

(19,288 posts)
32. Even tho this deserves a laugh
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

For some reason that ROTHFLMAO smilie seems like a gloating asshole.

Maybe too many snarky, smarmy, nose in the air, adult brats, have ruined it for me. It carries that
, I'm laughing at you, not with you, and why sre you so upset, I think its really funny, I'm not serious, why are you all bitter?

Had to dump that off my chest. All in all, glad that gloating, in your face, icon is on my side for once.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
70. It's better if you train yourself to read that icon as "whistling in the dark"...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

...and probably more accurate, too.

And the more of them they use, the more it strikes me that way, the more insecure they must be about their position!

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
49. The other thread on this also shows a handwritten note from HRC to Bernie
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

thanking him for supporting her on healthcare. She signed it Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1993. It is the picture shown in the article linked in post #46 in this thread.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
52. BWHAHAHAHAHA......
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

You won't believe your eyes until you actually see it.........Bernie standing behind Hillary at Health Care Reform presser. AFTER Hillary claims that she didn't know where he was when she was trying to get health care in '93 and '94,.... ..RIGHT BEHIND YOU!........

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
59. OK, that's funny
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not a Bernie fan and I'm voting for Hillary Tuesday, but I still have a sense of humor.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
153. Its only funny to a certain point. If you still support her with all this lying baggage, its on you
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
222. Yeah...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

If there's one thing that finally swings me over to your side, it's this comedic meme.
Do you know Clinton blatantly lied about this knowing full well he was standing there 25 years ago?

Every day Bernie people try desperately to smear Hillary Clinton with shameful accusations of which only a small portion have any significance. It was this tactic of moral intimidation that drove me into Camp Hillary a few months ago in the first place. Sanders' indignant supporters assured I'll not vote for him next week in Ohio, so nice job, and that's on you. I also recruited three others to join me.

Now I'm losing my sense of good nature and wish I'd just ignored this post from the humorless Bernie crowd who see every little thing as the end of the free world.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
335. Sanders should just be glad you don't work on his campaign staff.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

If you stood up at a strategy meeting and suggested belittling people and using insulting terms like "turd way" to win them over to Bernie's side, you'd be back at your old job that day.

Do me a favor though, and you have a knack for this: If Hillary wins the nomination, please jump on social media to convince people that Hillary is not the liberal loon that conservatives will be painting her as. They'll call her "the most liberal senator since Ted Kennedy" and connect her to everyone from Obama to Saul Alinsky, but if you counter that by explaining that she's actually a right wing neocon working for Republican ideals you may keep them laughing so hard they'll forget to vote in November.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
355. Your lack of critical thinking/knowledge of the actual issues is concerning
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

You seem to be defending certain points that, IMO, seem quite clear as to their flaws and true intentions.

Also, to base your voting decision on the actions of one's supporters, not of one's actions and policy is a fundamental logical fallacy.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
369. Keep up the good work
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

I think demeaning my intellect is beginning to sway me. Is that how they pulled you in?

SNL did a skit tonight with Larry David as Bernie. He spoke to his supporters to ask them to "dial it back a little, I'm great but not ten posts a day great". I guess others are beginning to notice that his people are more than a bit off putting and overbearing.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
372. Have a nice day!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

I wasn't demeaning your intellect (of which you have not shown here). I am attempting to point out that ignorance can be rectified with learning and facts.

I suppose teachers are demeaning to their students when they attempt to teach? Children are ignorant, but not stupid.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
432. That's funny
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:00 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't know who Fread J Turbo was, so I did a search with no luck. It turns out Fred R Turbo was an imbecilic redneck character on Johnny Carson's old show, but you misspelled his name.

That's ironic because his middle initial "R" is for "Arthur", stressing how he was so dim witted he even had a hard time properly spelling his name.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
60. I'm seriously thinking that there is something wrong with her at this point
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

This shit simply isn't normal.
It's now and every day thing.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
102. she's scared
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

I have a feeling that things are looking a lot worse than they are letting on so maybe if she lies, lies and lies some more, some of it will stick.

It's what she did in '08 and it's her same game plan now.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
411. Obama was quoted as seeing the fear in her eyes, in 2008.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:05 PM
Mar 2016

Book I read about the election back then, she and Obama had met very briefly when their paths crossed at a campaign stop,
He said he could see the fear in her eyes.
And you can see it now, too, if you look closely, esp. in videos.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
172. Perhaps some anti-anxiety meds?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016


They can make you do weird shit whilst appearing somewhat normal.

Her behavior has been quite puzzling lately.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
237. The oddest thing is that my husband was remarking that Bill Clinton seemed
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:17 PM
Mar 2016

to be acting a bit odd when we saw him on the news the other night.

He was talking with a journalist at some event and only said a few words, but he seemed very 'odd'. Almost a bit 'out of it'.

I was thinking the same thing, but I often chalk it up to being a conspiracy theorist. But when my very level headed hubbie remarked about it, it gave me pause.

just kinda odd.

62. That Bernie Sanders guy has been remarkably consistent.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:10 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton is trying so hard to say whatever she thinks will get her votes.

It really backfired yesterday with the Reagan-AIDS advocacy comments and again today with questioning where Sanders was on Health Care in '93.

The only laughable thing is how transparent her lies are. She is NOT a good candidate for President. It has nothing to do with her gender.

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
74. Hillary has a huge staff with a huge budget. Before she speaks she needs to vet
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

EVERYTHING. Flapping her jaws without checking the historical record is foolish. And it's coming back to bite her.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
191. Exactly. Bernie's staff was busted by DU's vocal minority...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

about "mishandling" a SC church dinner. Collective yawn. That the Clinton Machine would get something like this so very wrong is pretty astounding, and it's fascinating to watch social media pounce.

Holly_Hobby

(3,033 posts)
75. Maybe she really IS a technological dinosaur...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

and doesn't understand how cameras and film work? Not to mention people's memory of that time. I remember feeling that she failed us.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
88. you have got to be...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

Sure - right, okay. Whatever.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare

She was going to HIM for help with this. Just because he didn't put his face front and center, he's been fighting for universal healthcare since he went to the Senate.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
176. He's never been in it for fame.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:06 PM
Mar 2016

He just wants to get the job done. He's not concerned with recognition and accolades.

That's a real fighter and a real champion. Not the people who are looking for photo ops all the time (Flint anyone?).

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
93. Is that so? Here he is in 1993 DEBATING REPUBLICANS on the house floor on single payer health care:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:20 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie Sanders Debates House Republicans on Health Care (11/3/1993)



Bernie has been LEADING on this issue for decades, long after Hillary sold out.

Don't you guys ever get tired of looking foolish?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
118. Funny, she's a "real leader" in this case
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

But don't you dare criticize her for anything Bill did, even if she's on record supporting it.

Like nailing jello to a wall.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
125. Great post BMUS
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:40 PM
Mar 2016

I just got home from two weeks in England and Ireland and I'm just catching up with the news… Seems like the proverbial wheels are falling off her campaign.

I would have srious respect for anybody in the Hillary camp here who had an epiphany about her lack of ruthfulness and said as much. But apparently being impervious to the truth is a learned trait.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
127. Sounds lovely!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

I've mostly been staying out of GDP for obvious reasons but today it was just too tempting.


dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
145. It was!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

Spent a lot of time in pubs being quizzed over the political situation here. But I had a wonderful time, especially with my family and think I'm going to rent a place for the summer (in Ireland) because it's better for my MS than the brutal NY summers.

Good idea to stay out of GDP. Toxic.

artyteacher

(598 posts)
143. for single payer?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

So not for the clinton plan?

In fact, was he actually fighting against the Clinton plan? So he was trying for too much too fast even back then?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
144. Nice try, but there is a serious problem with your new spin:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016


Why would she thank him if he was fighting against her?

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
82. I can't imagine what it must be like, to go through life being so completely dishonest
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:16 PM
Mar 2016

It must be fucking exhausting for her.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
325. It's exhausting when you're an honest person trying to lie.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

To a dishonest person it's easy to lie, second nature, no exhaustion whatsoever.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
85. Just like Republicans -- sitting around in some back room thinking of anything to smear Bernie
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

Any kind of twisted logic or scenario to smear him.
And the Hillary supporters eat it up and believe it all. Just like the Trumpsters.
Hey, I just thought of Trumpster, rhymes with Dumpster.

Gary 50

(381 posts)
170. "Sitting around in some back room thinking of anything to smear him."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

When all else failed Bill Clinton came up with "He lives in a bubble." You got him Bill. He does live in a bubble of honesty and incorruptibility. Don't worry Bill, you and Hillary will never be accused of that.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
95. Awesome. we know Bernie is committed to real healthcare reform. Hillary?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

Not so much. She's losing it just like she did with Obama.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
89. Looks like Hillary isn't firing on all cylinders. The note thanking him and now this?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016
This should be everywhere.

democrank

(11,094 posts)
94. Please...please... stop all this nonsense.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

The guy behind Hillary doesn`t look anything like Bernie Sanders. I think it`s Hillary`s dear friend, Henry Kissinger.

And that 1993 thank-you note to Bernie? Probably forged by a Socialist.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
103. Open mouth
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

insert foot.

She just keeps doing that. I wonder why they haven't treated her for hoof and mouth disease yet.

jeepers

(314 posts)
105. Lost in the crowd
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

of congressfolk and senators behind her, who can really blame her for having forgotten one or two names.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
108. History is not Hillary's strong suit, and apparently it's not her supporters' either, from 1993:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016


You're welcome.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
111. Before she embarrasses herself, Hillary should get neurological exam (she had
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

concussion in 2012) to determine if she needs medical treatment. Too many memory failures are occurring.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
122. Perhaps she should be a "talking head" for the rest of her life and not president with
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

a damaged brain.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
156. Hillary often confused said Huma in emails (both before and after concussion)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary is ‘often confused,’ says trusted aide Huma in fresh emails

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/

In one email exchange on Jan. 26, 2013, Abedin asks fellow staffer Monica Hanley whether Clinton knows to call Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Hanley replies: “She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her.” Abedin stresses the importance of reviewing the schedule with Clinton: “Very imp to do that. She’s often confused.”

It’s not the first time the word “confused” has been used to describe the Democratic presidential front-runner and former top diplomat. Clinton herself admits she gets confused and even apologizes to her staff for mix-ups while she was secretary of state

On May 31, 2010, Clinton emailed Abedin on the timing of her meetings and travel schedule. After a back-and-forth over the time, she writes: “Ok but I’m confused since I remember talking w Lona about changing to 8 tonight.”
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and aide Huma Abedin in September 2009.Photo: Getty Images

On Sept. 23, 2009, Clinton is emailing with chief of staff Cheryl Mills about an upcoming State Department senior leadership retreat. After reviewing the draft agenda, Clinton was thrown by whether Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg would be there for an earlier presentation. “I’m confused–will he be there in am? Can he be urged to reschedule whatever else he has and come?”

“Huma Abedin’s description of Hillary Clinton as ‘easily confused’ tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clinton’s illegal email server,” Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in a statement.

In emails Clinton turned over herself to the State Department, she apologizes several times for confusing her staff. The emails show how Clinton, who is often perceived as polished and rehearsed, makes mistakes when emailing about foreign affairs.

A day earlier, Dec. 12, 2009, Clinton apologized for confusing Guinea and Morocco in an email. She sends a note to three staffers, including Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman. “Good catch, Jeff! Yes–two issues. there will be a contact group about Guinea that the French want us to be strong on too. Sorry for the confusion.”

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
309. Huma's comments are way more damaging than Hillary's IMO
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

I use "I'm confused... " all the time at work. Its shorthand for "yer an idiot, so let me restate that". Huma on the other hand is making a judgement call.

Didn't see the Huma email news when it came out - thanks for posting this. Surprised people haven't been making more hay about that.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
113. Yet another distortion
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

but as someone just said I bash Hillary because she is Hillary and I'm a right winger who wants healthcare for all, an educated populace, corruption and Wall Street to be reined in......makes a hell of a lot of sense.......... :

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
161. You really dont understand the idea of unintended consequences of your actions and statements
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

very well.

Yes, that is definitely a take away. The guy you say is so much better than Hillary it turns out has been a supporter of hers. That's the unintended consequence of this OP.

I find this to be a really common blindspot for ideologues in general. The lack of nuance extends to a lack of understanding that the consequences of your actions isn't necessarily what you hope it will be.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
251. I disagree. He was not a "been a supporter of hers"
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

He's a supporter of universal healthcare and he would/will work with ANYONE who wants that same goal.
It was wonderful when Hillary was actively fighting for it! No doubt! But she changed her views on it.

 

Ivan Kaputski

(528 posts)
317. So everyone who wants single or universal health care is a Hillary supporter???
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

IMO you've spent too much time on Fox.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
392. But you're missing some critical info!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:38 AM
Mar 2016

Yes, she spent her career lying to the public about all kinds of shit and voting for wars to advance her career and Steven was documenting it.

But then she didn't have a temper tantrum when she lost to Obama and used that to advance her career, so Steven apologized and so she apparently untold all those lies. Or something.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
137. I would think you would be ashamed of how very lame your comment is.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is the same person you bitterly and nastily criticized in 2008. The same person.
No, Bernie is not dropping out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
316. Bernie has just as much of a tie to Fox as I do. I guess you can't support him now. LOL!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:48 PM
Mar 2016

Welcome to team Hillary!

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
158. To be fair that picture is in black and white and she lives in technicolor lies
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

So she may not have even seen him through her filters




Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
162. Holy smokes...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

It's becoming impossible to lie without getting caught these days! A real bummer for politicians!

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
154. I just realized that this is what Rep. John Lewis said about Bernie too
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

Is it just an easy thing to say - cast doubt on someone but not actually accuse them of doing nothing?

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
160. They are laying the groundwork for a new smear.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

A+ for Team Clinton's efforts in orchestrating effective smears

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
165. That's a good and interesting point.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

Denying his record seems to be their most desperate tactic.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
202. Dolores Huerta on Obama-2008
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

"I have been a civil rights activist like this all of my life, and I have been to Chicago many times for many different campaigns that the community there —- the Latino community was there. I have, to this day, to meet Mr. Obama. I have never encountered him in any of these big campaigns that we have done in Chicago on different issues. And, as I say, I have never yet to meet the man."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

Dolores Huerta: “Como se llama” Obama?

http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/


It's all templates, recycled materials without any actual grounding in reality. 'Obama we never saw him, we call her Hillaria and we say about him what's his name?" Barf. Sh

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
253. wow - it is a pattern
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

interesting... well, it's NOT working for them but if they have to keep casting disparagement on Bernie, then I guess that they should keep up this method.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
163. This woman was an attorney and she did not know that Bernie was for healthcare for all
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

and standing behind her...she is such a deceptive liar!

167. You know what I find saddest about all of this?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

A lot of her supporters will shut out the truth and never know any better. I don't know where she was when she said this, but it was likely heard by some number of people before it was corrected. Those that heard the uncorrected quote may never know any better.

Take DU for instance. I know quite a few Hillary supporters have trashed the primary boards so they can live in their own safe haven with unchallenged beliefs. The thing about living in an echo chamber is it reduces the knowledge pool while simultaneously reaffirming beliefs that are already held. That's not helpful to making well-informed decisions in the long run.

So how do you help spread information to those that intentionally close off avenues of information? Is it an uphill battle, or is it impossible?

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
169. That's it! I'm voting for Sanders
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

I was planning on either voting O'Malley or No Preference on Tuesday, but I have hit rock bottom with the constant revisionism. The Contras were not a noble cause: they attacked hospital workers and nuns doing charity work. The Reagans were no friends to those suffering from AIDS. And Clinton herself bore some responsibility for the failure of Health Care reform in the 1990s.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
255. good for you!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

Welcome to team #FeelTheBern

O'Malley is a good man and I hope that he and Bernie work closely together once Bernie wins the nomination.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
173. He obviously had her back on this issue at a time when a lot of folks
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

did not want her to succeed. And she didn't. He was in the minority helping her.

And this is how she shows her appreciation for that?

What a lowlife.

Smears him with blacks after all the stuff he did for civil rights and top notch support of their causes in congress.

Smears him with latinos after all the stuff he's done for latinos - not just in this country.
.
And now this.

Ok, I'm convinced. She really should not be president. She has no heart or soul or something. There is really something fundamentally wrong with this person. I'm sure of it.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
230. The word stupidity also comes to mind because she's floated this bullshit before
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

and that 1993 or whatever photo of her and Bernie together with writing a thank you note below it might have sent a message to someone whose memory isn't fried to say "I don't think you should go there because there is embarrassing proof that you created and wrote and has already been published demonstrating this as a pathetic lie."

Obviously, this is the second short circuit in the last couple of days (the other being Nancy Reagan BS).

I defended her in the Reagan thread but this? I can't defend it. It's despicable and outrageous. Obviously, I was wrong to defend her in the other thread. She's f***ed up in the head.

When some of Bernie's supporters won't come out for her in the general if she makes it, think of this day. It is crap like this that should make it clear enough why some people who are angry and outraged by this won't be able to bring themselves to support her. She's going out of her way to lie and real low to do so. And this isn't the first time in this campaign nor 2008 against Obama (I'm sure some remember how Keith Olbermann reacted to this behavior. He'd rip a strip off her and name her "worst person of the month".)

If her memory is so bad that she can't remember the Reagan's and LGBT/AIDS and she can't remember Bernie repeatedly supporting her on Hillarycare, then she should withdraw. If she does remember it, she's so unconscionably deceitful, she's unfit for the Oval office. Unfortunately, in her tunnel vision, screw-everybody-at-whatever-cost-so I-can-be-President effort, she's probably forgot things like decency, integrity, good sense and good graces too. That all goes out the window if she can deceive a few more into voting for her.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
266. I think you are right
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

it's called narcissism. Most people are a bit narcissistic and the term does get over used. However, as someone who has some family members who are pathologically narcissistic, I can attest that the pattern of behavior is quite obvious. When they don't get what they want...look out. They will stop at nothing. Lying, gaslighting, manipulating. It's par for the course. They can be unbelievably endearing and caring when things are going their way...and usually they are quite smart. Just don't get on their bad side. And...just to explain - they don't CARE when they are caught lying or smearing. Somehow, they will make it YOUR fault, YOUR problem. You watch.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
174. On Supporting Hillary... "You can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:03 PM
Mar 2016

Trump supporters are the same. The facts don't matter, they'll see and hear what they want to see and hear.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
188. Nope. She thanked him for his "commitment," that does not confirm he DID anything.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

She was and is very generous with thank you notes to people who express their support to her. But that does not mean they actually did any hard work.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
351. No, that's not exactly right
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Both Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch (the authors and driving forces behind the bill) say otherwise.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
373. Yes, it is exactly right. Ted Kennedy gave Hillary credit.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:36 AM
Mar 2016

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children’s health program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
398. Here's some of the press on this:
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=full
But privately, some lawmakers and staff members are fuming over what they see as Clinton's exaggeration of her role in developing SCHIP, including her campaign ads claiming she "helped create" the program.
...
Kennedy said he patterned the SCHIP plan on a similar program Massachusetts had approved in 1996. Kennedy's account was backed up by two Bay State healthcare advocates who met with Kennedy in Boston to discuss the possibility of taking the idea nationwide: Dr. Barry Zuckerman, director of pediatrics at Boston Medical Center, and John McDonough, then a Democratic state legislator and now the executive director of Health Care for All, a healthcare advocacy group.
...
McDonough, a Democrat who has not endorsed a presidential candidate, also said it was Kennedy who developed the SCHIP idea after that meeting. "I don't recall any signs of Mrs. Clinton's engagement," McDonough said. "I'm sure she was behind the scenes, engaged in lobbying, but it is demonstrably not the case" that she was driving the effort, he said....
...
But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy [privately] over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."

"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."


This was the first NY Times report on it ... not a word about Hillary
Hatch Joins Kennedy to Back a Health Program

Here's Hillary standing behind Bill Clinton's effort to shut it down
Senate Unwilling to Amend Budget Resolution
Besides the highway votes, the only measure that threatened to put the two bodies on different tracks was an effort on Wednesday by Senators Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, and Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, to raise tobacco taxes to pay for health insurance for children who lack it.

That measure was killed with the help of President Clinton. Today Hillary Rodham Clinton, who led the Administration's failed health care effort in 1994, defended the President's action.

''He had to safeguard the overall budget proposal,'' Mrs. Clinton said at a luncheon. ''He will look for ways to demand full coverage for minors' health.''


... which was BS because they already had a way that eventually passed .. a 15 cent tax on cigarettes ...

As the bill passed, NYT looked at who deserves the credit:
Through Senate Alchemy, Tobacco Is Turned Into Gold for Children's Health
Mr. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, was the major political driving force behind the effort, along with Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, whom he enlisted in early January.

Away from Capitol Hill but in lockstep with the political efforts of Mr. Kennedy and Mr. Hatch, the Children's Defense Fund organized one of the most feverish grass-roots lobbying campaigns ever on an issue. Within a matter of weeks, the organization brought together a coalition of 250 groups ranging from the Girl Scouts of America to the American Association of Retired Persons, won the aid of Hillary Rodham Clinton and two of her predecessors, Betty Ford and Rosalynn Carter, and began a nationwide radio and newspaper advertising campaign that asked politicians and the public to choose between ''Joey,'' a cherubic 4-year-old boy, and ''Joe Camel,'' the widely known cartoon character that until recently was featured in advertisements for Camel cigarettes.


Before getting too excited about the Children's Defense Fund, remember, the Edelmans had already ripped the Clintons for the welfare bill and left having anything to do with the Clinton administration. So Hillary steals some credit from her "old friend", Marian Wright Edelman, who said in 2007 they were not friends politically going back more than 10 years - before this bill.

Hillary was one of 250 groups that got behind the bill. Did Hillary give past First Ladies Betty Ford or Rosalynn Carter any credit for similarly being a cheerleader for the bill like her.

Hillary did not have much to show for her time in the White House in terms of "getting things done". She dreamed up sniper fire in Bosnia, getting the peace deal in Ireland and this because she was desperate to show something. All she really did was some cheerleading. She already wasn't popular because of all her scandals and because of the divisiveness of Hillarycare. Having her out in front would have hurt the legislation's chances.

After the bill passed in 1997, Hillary wrote on oped in the NY times for it ... after the fact.

Then a couple of months later, after the heavy lifting to get the bill passed:
Hillary Clinton Begins Drive To Improve Care for Children
Largely absent from Washington's policy battles since national health insurance died in 1994, Hillary Rodham Clinton embarked today on a campaign to improve child care for working parents, particularly for people moving off welfare and into jobs.


Hillary started working on the issue of childrens healthcare in public AFTER the sCHIPS bill passed. Before then. she was too toxic from Hilarycare .. and congress and the Edelmans didn't like her much either after that.

I think Ted summed it up pretty well:
Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.

"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts."


If Ted or any one else gave Hillary much credit for CHIPS later, they were throwing her a bone because she didn't have one. On the record in the media back then, Hillary didn't go to the public on it to try to get it passed in any substantial way and congress didn't like her so they weren't going to be influenced by someone who was still toxic politically from Hillarycare.

So let's sum it up, according to the media coverage in 1997:
1. She flat out lied about creating the program. That is beyond debate. Folks in MA and Ted Kennedy came up with the idea.
2. She did not write the legislation. Kennedy and Hatch did.
3. She couldn't do much in congress because she'd been neutered by her Hillarycare failure. Kennedy and Hatch did the bulk of that in a bipartisan way
4. She did not go the the public to campaign for it in any substantial way according to the NYT who published her first OpEd on it .. after it had been passed. Kennedy and Hatch and the Childrens Defense Fund got the group of 250 together and ran the ads campaign to put pressure on the White House - not Hillary
5. She's on record originally backing her husband turning down the legislation in close to it's final form just a couple of months before it passed

Then 10 years later when she hopes everybody has forgotten and needs to pad her resume for running for president, (paraphrased) "oh yeah, I was a big driving force behind sCHIPS!" (because she had no legislative achievements to point to - just her Hillarycare failure ...) - not unlike Bosnia snipers .. because she had no 3AM/Foreign policy experiences. When Hillary's got nothing, she lies.

I think the way we should be approaching anything Hillary says going forward is to start by assuming it is a lie or deception because I think the odds are in our favor that we're right the majority of the time out of the gate.

Let's cut out Hillary's fantasy crap because once again, this is just cleverly veiled and crafted BS and let's get back to the reality of our regularly schedule campaign.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
414. She never said she wrote SCHIP. She was instrumental in getting it passed.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:58 PM
Mar 2016

Pretty pathetic that a DUer would take right wing anti-abortion zealot Orrin Hatch's word over Ted Kennedy's.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
418. No. Nice try but no cigar. Cherry picking Orin Hatch to shoot one messenger
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

isn't going to work either. There were a lot more messengers than Hatch in that post. It is fair to cite Hatch because he was the Republican to champion the cause on the GOP side. Without him, there's no legislation.

Ted Kennedy, the New York Times, the Boston globe, several other politicians called her out.

First example of Hillary taking credit for the program:
February 12, 2008 - New Clinton Ad Casts Health Care As "Obligation"

"She fought for universal health care, long before it was popular"... "Got health insurance for six million kids"


As First Heroic Liar, Hillary Clinton claimed "She" - giving credit to no one else - not Ted Kennedy - not Orin Hatch - not the Edelmans & the Children's Defense Fund - "she" as in Hillary Rodham Clinton and she alone got health care insurance for six million kids all by herself.

Second example
January 31, 2008 Transcript of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate
"And certainly during the eight years that I was privileged to be in the White House, I had a great deal of responsibility that was given to me to not only work on domestic issues, like health care -- and when we weren't successful on universal health care, I just turned around and said, well, we're going to get the Children's Health Insurance Program. And I'm so proud we do, because now six million children around the country every month get health care."


: Again, Hillary claims the leadership and full credit for the existence of this program.

Third example:
“Nobody has worked harder or longer to improve health care than Hillary Clinton. From her time in Arkansas when she improved rural health care to her successful effort to create the SCHIP Children’s Health Insurance program which now covers six million children, Hillary has the strength and experience to ensure that every man, woman and child in America has quality, affordable health care.”
HillaryClinton.com 2007

Her website "her successful effort to create SCHIP" again, no Ted Kennedy, No Orin Hatch, No Edelmans - all Hillary lies all the time.

Fourth example:
"She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance."
HillaryClinton.com 2007

"She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program" again, no Ted Kennedy, No Orin Hatch, No Edelmans => just pure bullshit like Hillary has done for years.

And she lied about this many times. It was actually cooked up from her Senate campaign when her opponent raised the fact that she had never accomplished anything legislatively.

Did you ever read her book, Living History ? It spent about 100 pages on her life before the White House. It wrapped up with about 24 pages on her campaign and victory to become a US Senator. It devoted about 500 of it's 624 pages on the White House campaign and her time as as First Lady. She wrote volumes on her failed effort to pass HillaryCare. Do you know how much text she devoted to all this "wonderful" work she did for sCHIPS (State Children’s Health Insurance Program)? One f**king sentence on page 295:
"I worked behind the scenes with Senator Kennedy to help create the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)"

Relative to a lot of dull garbage in the book, you would think that would be of interest, particularly since it was "behind the scenes."

How do you explain that? If she was that instrumental and did all kinds of work to help get this sCHIPS program passed, and it was after her Senate adversary called her out for not getting anything done, why wouldn't she tell us all about the one significant legislative accomplishment of her lifetime (to 2016). Lazio (sp?) was right. She had done nothing significant and successfully legislatively.in her life in Washington. And she still hasn't.

This year she touts herself as the one to elect president because of her track record to "get things done". As of 2016, she still has no track record to get things of significance done legislatively. It's all smoke and bullshit. Those are the facts. I'm not making it up. Nobody has been able to come up with anything of significance.

If you want to continue to believe her lies and the propaganda they tried to put out to cover her lying tracks on this, that's your prerogative. She flat out lied her head off about this as she has so many other things throughout her lifetime in Washington. It's classic Hillary Lyin' Clinton.

As Ted Kennedy said about Hillary's bogus claims on this "Facts are stubborn things. I think we ought to stay with the facts." The above are the troubling facts for Hillary and why she never made a big deal about it in her book. She didn't do anything here to make a big deal about ... except lie about it.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
424. As a matter of fact he did call her out.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

In Oct 2007, she looked like she was going to be the nominee. so Ted threw her a bone because she had none - trying to help the party.

In 2008, Kennedy jumped on Obama's band wagon. This issue had been coming up in the debates and the media. The Obama campaign called her on it. The Boston Globe article in mid-March, 2008 (well after Oct 2007) looked into it. Ted knew Hillary had been into lying about other stuff and pulling some dirty tricks so he withdrew his bone and along with others in congress, the New York Times in 1997, etc came down against her. the Boston Globe reported this :

.http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=full

Kennedy has endorsed Obama, a move that deeply upset the Clinton campaign. Hatch initially endorsed Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, then switched to Senator John McCain of Arizona after Romney left the race. Hatch, a longtime Kennedy friend, said he didn't want to criticize Clinton, but felt that the record should be set straight about how the SCHIP program was developed.

Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.

"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts."


Aside from Kennedy & Hatch:

privately, some lawmakers and staff members are fuming over what they see as Clinton's exaggeration of her role in developing SCHIP, including her campaign ads claiming she "helped create" the program.

Henry Waxman "It was a bipartisan bill. I don't remember the role of the White House. ...It did not originate at the White House."

"I don't recall any signs of Mrs. Clinton's engagement," McDonough said. "... but it is demonstrably not the case" that she was driving the effort, he said.


The whole article sinks her outrageous claims in her ads and during the debates.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
425. That is not calling her out on SCHIP. Kennedy credited Hillary for SCHIP.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children’s health program wouldn’t be in existence today if we didn’t have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. 

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

Yes, facts are pesky things.

You can keep posting your spin if that's what makes you happy. It won't change the facts.

I'm done kickng this stupid thread.

Buh bye.




fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
189. make this go viral, please
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:14 PM
Mar 2016

I'm a Luddite, so I don't know how.
If he was standing behind her, doesn't it *usually* mean he "backs" her idea?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
215. Typical shallow reasoning
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

be in the same room and photographed with Kissinger and you are Kissinger's acolyte.

Be in same room with Hillary Clinton during the early 90s health care push and you are just as much to be credited as she was!



Oh wow, look at this



Bernie is a Jeb follower!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
289. Bernie has been on the front lines all along while she gave up and took millions from the industry:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
294. Sanders abandoned single payer in Vermont when it came time to pay for it.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:17 PM
Mar 2016

He knew the 12% tax on the Vermont middle class such a program needed would be toxic to his political career. Suddenly, he couldn't find a microphone to talk to his constituents.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
299. He couldn't abandon it because it wasn't his legislation, he's a US SENATOR, remember?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

He did introduce legislation in the US Senate.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
292. She did not give him credit. She thanked him for his stated "commitment."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

That was in 1993, when she was getting started. She graciously thanks people who tell her they support her.

By 1994 she was being eviscerated by insurance companies on TV over Hillarycare. Bernie was not in the fight with her. Standing behind her in a photo op at Dartmouth is not proof of him fighting in the trenches with Hillary.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
300. "she was being eviscerated by insurance companies"? Then why did she get in bed with them??
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016
Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
304. Of course, you cannot deny Bernie abandoned Vermont single payer.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

So you offer sexist accusations that Hillary went "to bed with" insurance companies. She did not. While Sanders was listening to his own voice in empty chambers of Congress, Hillary got SCHIP passed covering 8 million kids.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
307. How could he possibly "abandon" state legislation that wasn't his to begin with?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

And spare me the sexism canard, getting into bed with big money interests has nothing to do with gender.

She did not.


Her record says different - She took MILLIONS FROM THEM.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
315. It was "his" until the law passed and VT crunched the actual numbers.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:48 PM
Mar 2016

Up until then you couldn't shut him up about it. Every Brunch with Bernie he talked about how "we" are getting single payer in Vermont and it will be the "model for the nation." But when the bean counters announced a 12% tax on the middle class would be required to pay for it, suddenly it became "them" and Bernie could not find a working microphone to talk to his constituents.

Seriously BMUS, that "not my job" excuse is pathetic.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
318. How could it be his law when he's not a VERMONT LEGISLATOR?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

There was nothing he could do about it, talk to Shumlin, he's the reason it failed.

He introduced legislation in the US Senate.

You guys have no idea how government works, don't they teach civics anymore?


SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
329. I know how government works. Shumlin isn't the reason it failed.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone, including Bernie, ran for their political lives once they found out how much it would cost.

Bernie used the bully pulpit to get the Vermont single payer law passed. But he just walked away from the fight when it came time to pay for it. Mainstream VT Democrats saw no reason to take it on the chin for single payer when they saw the state's (indeed the country's) most prominent Democratic Socialist running for cover.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
331. Obviously you don't since you keep blaming Bernie for the failure in Vt when he's a US SENATOR.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

You are just regurgitating talking points you read without realizing how it makes you look.

By all means, keep digging.

And PLEASE keep kicking this fabulous thread!


 

The Far Left

(59 posts)
394. The oligarchs could avoid a tax in Vermont.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

I don't see how a small state could pay for universal care without an undo tax burden being placed almost entirely on the working class. The very rich could simply switch states...

The burden for universal care should fall on everyone because the rich benefit from not having to cover employees where they are covered.

So universal health care should be paid for at the federal level, IMHO.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
337. I guess you don't understand how it works in politics.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:19 PM
Mar 2016

When someone is on stage giving a speech, they often have their team or backers behind them on stage.

Geeze, you people will do anything to protect her, won't you?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
186. That's actually Bruce Rapparport with Hillary on the day she announced Nancy Reagan had cured AIDS..
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

nt

casperthegm

(643 posts)
187. This is classic Clinton
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

More of the subtle, or not so subtle, jabs and innuendos. Love this, the auto bailout double down lie, the Koch brothers, etc. How the HRC supporters are ok with these kind of smear tactics is beyond me. Is it because you've become so jaded, so accustomed to "politics as usual" that you can't see the ethical problem with these tactics? And they wonder why HRC has trust issues...

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
339. No, it's because they want her to win so badly
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

They don't care at what cost. They really don't. They defend her every lie.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
195. I keep thinking about this.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:22 PM
Mar 2016

I can't stop. I remember when she did this. I was so proud of her, she really did a stunning amount of work and became very knowledgeable. She stood up there with all those men looking at her and explained to them and us what she had found and what she suggested. She was BRAVE. I don't remember the dates but I think that Rush was fairly new and there was a lot of "How dare she?" and "When did the American people elect her?", lots of jibes probably lots of them pretty sexist but I did not listen to the show but heard about it from friends or TV. I have always respected her for the smarts, incredible work and the guts to do that. Now I find myself wondering how someone jumps into the fire like she did and does not remember those who helped or supported her? That is one very large character flaw. Either that help means very little to her or she does not care to be honest when she thinks a lie would get her in a better position, no matter what kind of pain or loss her lie might inflict on someone who actually helped her.

Honesty in someone running things for us is important to me. Even more so when running our country. I assume everyone feels that way, right?

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
201. I understand the source of your nostalgia.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

Back then I was in my 30's and I used to aggressively get in people's faces when they trashed the Clinton's. I used to crow to them "we are gonna have 8 years of Bill and then 8 years of Hillary. I just adored her (I am a male FYI). But we all make mistakes in judging character especially when we are only fed the mass media, and remember, back then there were no vibrant discussion boards allowing people to collaborate and educate and learn.

At some point the Clinton's decided to cash in on their name, and I see no reason to give them further, serious consideration as they are bought and paid for.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
216. I could not agree more with what you said.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

I was just a bit older than you and home with little one's. Sometimes now I can't imagine how we ever knew anything. In order to check something you had to go to a library.

I was a supporter but not that big of a supporter but as a woman at home I was so very proud of her. In actuality I still am, for that anyway. I do not remember the content of her proposals but damn that woman had guts. Having been a nurse during Reagan I remembered the changes made to health care and insurance payments and was very worried about the trend then along come Ms. Clinton with ideas. It was something for women at that time. I have lost my respect for her now but will never forget when she stepped out. As a woman that was a proud moment, what came next was not good.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
362. I am right there next to you, Muse.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:03 AM
Mar 2016

I have kept quiet here for most of the primary season because I honestly wasnt' sure up until the day before I cast my vote. So much of it because of the mud-slinging back and forth, not so much by the candidates, but by their supporters here.

I remember those days too. I remember reading Clinton's autobiography and falling a little bit in love with her, for who she was then. I remember getting into angry arguments with women who thought she was doing women an injustice for staying with Bill in light of his "troubles." It was, after all, her marriage and her life...

Now, I can't reconcile that with this person I see before me. This person who puts on a huckster voice when she speaks down south. This educated woman. This woman whose supporters negate my own status as a female because I don't blindly support in the hopes of a female president (which I very much would have loved to have happen this cycle). I just can't.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
198. That's Hillary in front of the mic, taking the initiative, right?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:26 PM
Mar 2016

That picture will look great in my sig line.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
199. OMFG, How quickly they forget!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:28 PM
Mar 2016

One of her biggest supporters during that battles and she TOTALLY FORGOT?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
208. "I'm Hillary Clinton and I stab my supporters in the back for personal gain. Support me!!"
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:44 PM
Mar 2016

Not exactly a winning slogan, is it?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
264. It makes sad
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:55 PM
Mar 2016

I thought I knew Hillary, and it hurts me that I was wrong. I'm a lover not a fighter,l.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
207. Usually it is Republicans who provoke the response,
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016

"You know there's tape, right? And intertoobz?"....oh. Wait....

Moral Compass

(1,520 posts)
210. Where was her staff when she came up with this attack meme?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

Wow. She has all these smart people working for her and they couldn't keep this total face palm of an attack from leaving her mouth? Really?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
408. It's inexplicable. Why would she shoot herself in the foot like this? Why
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
Mar 2016

is her staff not vetting the speeches before she gives them? It's hard to know whether she has a memory problem, a character problem, or whether she's simply desperate for an edge over Bernie.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
211. Bernie is and never has been a slacker
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

He's been at the forefront of all that we need and must have his whole adult life.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
213. So he happens to be standing there are one point
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:48 PM
Mar 2016

that does not mean he spent a lot of time on the issue, geez.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
246. How much is a lot of time? Decades? Here he is in 1993:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016


Bernie never stopped fighting for single payer while Hillary sold us out for MILLION$:

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

Damn those pesky facts again!

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
247. Well, he must have done something else because she signed a note under a picture
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

of the two of them, saying thanks for your support on healthcare.

I would say she is forgetting that he was involved.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
250. Didn't you know? It's entirely a coincidence that he was standing back there, unbeknownst to her.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

He surely wasn't invited, and definitely wasn't back there with others who were actually participating.

Nope, not at all!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
377. He's Forrest Gump. He just happens to get into photos at key moments, without
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:12 AM
Mar 2016

ever having been involved or interested. He must just duck into these shindigs for the appetizers and coffee. Maybe he was looking for the bathroom.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
214. She is such a fucking liar. Or she has alzheimer's and is unfit for the oval office:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

She signed this!!!

:large

Fuck her.

.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
217. LIes, lies and more lies..... That oughta do the trick
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

WTH is wrong with her?

I wonder if Hillary supporters look at that photo and don't see Bernie either

 

Carlo Marx

(98 posts)
224. True leadership
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

Rather than outsourcing her lying to the likes of David Brock, Bill & Chelsea, John Lewis and 98 percent of the Democratic Party--she's courageously doing her own dirty work.

 

HRC isnot prgrsv

(13 posts)
229. Absolutely precious
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

...oh, oh be careful, HRC supporters are going to start crying 'cause you are bashing her.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
244. And the determined look on his face! He was backing her up.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

Has the woman no gratitude? No sense of who's on whose side? Or maybe she doesn't see see "sides" they way we do. Maybe there's just pro-Hill and that vast wasteland of everything else.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
248. These fools are pretending he somehow snuck up behind her randomly to get in the shot.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

No shame at all


FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
260. I sense a new meme there: Berniebomb. Bernie somehow manages to show up in old photos of
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

moments of great social and political import. Sorta like Forest Gump!

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
254. Maybe Hillary Clinton had not been introduced to Bernie Sanders in 1993 and
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

that attention seeking socialist Sanders oozed his way in to the publicity shots?

Or maybe Hillary Clinton has a foot in mouth fetish as she skips down her path of self-destruction.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
261. There must be two Hillarys
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

Just like there are two Trumps, according to Ben Carson. It was the other Hillary in those photos. Wonder whatever happened to her?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
269. Give her a break
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

She's obviously suffering from memory problems associated with the PTSD she has from surviving sniper fire in Bosnia.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
270. That's just unreal
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

I haven't laughed so hard on DU for a long time. And yet, I can't stop shaking my head. I guess this is how she repays people who supported her during her very real struggles? She forgets them altogether. I guess Hillary voters should take note - perhaps a preview of what would happen if she becomes president.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
271. Starting to wonder, wouldn't it be easier if she just started telling the truth?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:19 PM
Mar 2016

"Where was Bernie when I was dodging sniper fire in Bosnia!!!"

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
282. I've been laughing since I recommended this thread a couple of hours ago
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

Well, I've been going back and forth between laughing out loud and shaking my head. In the end she exhausts me.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
285. always like my memory
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

My brother had seizers during high school. his memory is depressingly bad.. and it's not 40 yet 3 1/2 yrs younger but I remember stuff up to about 4-5 yrs old. brother can barely remember stuff 10 years ago let alone stuff I remember vividly from 87 to 1990. So clearly age has nothing to do with memory. so Bernie has a better memory. I'll go with him clearly

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
324. Chozick's verision of "I never saw Bernie Sanders. I never saw him. I saw the Clintons."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016



What an effing hack.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
336. Are Sanders supporters really pretending that he was a major voice in the health care battle?!? It's
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

taking her comment literally by posting a photo of them together.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
421. I guess we are always supposed to know better
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

than to believe what she says on the campaign trail.

She doesn't mean any of it literally. It's all figurative...including any plans she may talk about that would actually help the 99%.

Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)

raging moderate

(4,304 posts)
357. or sitting across from her, as shown on her thank-you note to Bernie.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

And then there are all those times he held the floor in the House or the Senate through the years....

senseandsensibility

(17,026 posts)
371. There is a reason this has 500+ recs,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

and the hillshill threads have less than 20. Really. There is a reason.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
379. I have never seen this many recs
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:10 AM
Mar 2016

INB4 the Hillary-can-do-no-wrong group says it must be because its on the internets, and any poll/rec system is flawed.

Unfrickenbelievable.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
385. Misspoke, mislooked, mistake.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:43 AM
Mar 2016

Late seeing this one, but wow!

Have we had this big of a liar in politics in recent memory? Was Lyin Ryan this bad, or no? Maybe Newt Gingrich. I'm thinking Hillary has to be the most prolific, if also inept.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
386. Another artful smear debunked.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:21 AM
Mar 2016

Hopefully, somehow miraculously, this will help to put an end to her train wreck of a campaign.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
389. Brilliant!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know how she does it. Every day I discover new lies from her. I can't keep up with all her prodigious lying and am astounded at her production. Telling lies to puff herself up is like her default mode. Pathological.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
396. For someone keen on "silent activism" she seems to have a lot of trouble
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:56 AM
Mar 2016

remembering voices and presences that actually were there!

Hey Hillary: praise Nancy!

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
409. ok, this thread is classic! misspoke, mislooked, miswrote... all except misled.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

this is actually sad-funny level of a bad tactic blowing up in one's face, worthy of Wile E. Coyote, super genius.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
410. :(
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:49 PM
Mar 2016

It's a shame. Very disappointing but I guess it's better to see it...every bit of clarifying information is good.

Sad though

stage left

(2,962 posts)
417. I don't know which is worse
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

This or praising Nancy Reagan to the skies for the Reagan's "activism" in the Aids crisis. Some of us lived back then, too, Hillary, and we remember.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
429. Prolly mostly Bernie sock puppets!!!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016


I didn't know that there were actually 600 people posting here!
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