2016 Postmortem
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I can not stop laughing.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)She mislooked is all.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)mooseprime
(474 posts)with this thread and these posts!!!
Duval
(4,280 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Oh boy, that one is a keeper!!!!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)cyberpj
(10,794 posts)to use Google?
Or do these lies spring out of her mouth with no support-team warning at all?
Either way, it's astounding.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)dchill
(38,484 posts)AnotherVoter
(29 posts)AnotherVoter
(29 posts)Signed note from Hillary to Bernie?? I'm not sure if I believe this....
IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)health care back in the 90's) "forgets" that SHE wrote Bernie a note thanking him for all his support on the issue back then.
And people think we should vote for someone who LIES all the time?
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)that Hillary has decided to be rovian and LIE LIE LIE!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)He despises the Tea Party wing (Ted Cruz)
And he must loathe the unpredictable, irrational, and uncontrollable Trump.
He wants America back firmly in the right wing corporacracy status quo that only Clinton can deliver. If nothing else to show Republicans the way back to the old school establishment traditional right, for the next election.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)It's the truth because she says it is. She must be a thrill to work for.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)It's downright dangerous to work for her, judging by how many of her staff and associates are now being interrogated by the FBI.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)That is scary and sure as hell she'll say she never heard of them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I'd hate to be on her staff right now, knowing I could be next.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)but ethically, there's no one home.
senz
(11,945 posts)which is why we must protect it.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Net Neutrality would be demolished by the Hillacorporacracy if she gets in.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)She might have an illness. You never know.
The Far Left
(59 posts)It is very short:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4536221/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-1993
The video says it all, in her own words....
Hillary lied.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Can you say "trainwreck?"
Merryland
(1,134 posts)I just realized how little we knew about Hillary back then, kind of a mystery woman, and how much we know her now - no longer a mystery & barely a Democrat.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)something she seems to not grasp.
Which is why half of her campaign comments consist of her saying she "mis-spoke" about the other half of her campaign comments.
dchill
(38,484 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)
senz
(11,945 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)You can't expect her to be aware of anyone or anything that far away.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's not like she has eyes in the back of her head, or can do the Linda Blair Exorcist thing (well, not that we've seen yet), so this explains why she doesn't know where he was.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That I was joking. I believe we can safely conclude he was part of the event.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Seriously!!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I am just getting over an ear, nose, and throat infection with a side of bronchitis kicked in for fun.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Have some ginger tea.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Very good. I'm rested and the fever is down. Time for some NetFlix.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)OP with this video added to FB feed as well.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Photoshopped that entire video and paid big bucks to someone who works the archives
over at C Span!
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)What about the autographed pic or her quote about "what about the insurance industry".
It is crap like this that would make anyone reconsider holding their nose to vote for her. She is SHAMELESS!
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Amy Chozick is an American political reporter who works for the New York Times and primarily writes about Hillary Clinton and her family. Wikipedia
A political reporter that doesn't check her political history LMAO
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)She never backed down. I remember watching her and wanting to be a woman like her when I grew up. As strong woman, one that wouldn't be silenced, or back down, and I am that woman.
Many hated her, she was referred to as a bitch even in "polite" conversation and that only made me stronger.
to you Hillary Clinton for being a hero to so many women!
djean111
(14,255 posts)And we can SEE that she is lying......so she holds us in contempt, it looks like to me.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)I cannot support any PERSON who lies and is for war and cluster bombs and the TPP, who sent kids back home to die, just to prove a point - that's my bottom line. I would not support a man who had Hillary's record and policies and stances. That's what feminism is about - not preferential, but equally considered. Hillary does not make the grade, for me. Too much death. Not what I want for the world my grandson has to live in.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)in Iraq?
Libya?
Honduras
...or do brown people count?
HRC isnot prgrsv
(13 posts)...and I am an older woman. There is nothing more that I would like to see in a President then a female, but not just for the sake of it. It is time to take what Obama did and evolve from it ...not stay the same. She is a centrist, that I think we can all agree on.....we need someone that is left and progressive...truly progressive, not just in name only (I guess that would be PINO).
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Progressive in name only this week
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I'm sure that will work out fine.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)if she won't back down after being wrong/misleading?
eta: I'm only asking because your post seems out of place given the context of this thread
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)where literally anyone with an internet connection should have known better. So that makes her either stupid, intellectually incurious, or a liar.
ellennelle
(614 posts)is she capitulating to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies now, and putting the brakes on bernie's demand for universal healthcare?
more to the point, why is she attacking him with gross and false misrepresentations? here, she wants her audience to think he was MIA when she was doing the heavy lifting in the 90s. where was she when he was getting arrested for civil rights protesting in the 60s? being a goldwater girl.
so many other examples, but these unforced errors will continue to backfire on her. i have defended her for decades, and abhor the thoughtless misogyny directed at her. but this cannot protect her from her missteps, misremembering, misrepresentations, and mis-speakings.
sorry, but she is failing to live up to her own symbolic status.
so wish it were not so.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Or was it the Democrats too?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Oh wait...it didn't. And she "backed down" when it didn't.
The fact that Clinton did not curl up into a ball, sobbing, is not the same as "tough".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What a hero.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Just because she's called a "fighter" and doesn't back down doesn't mean she should be given a pass for making stupid mistakes again and again, and lying about stuff to further her career, wallet and lust for power.
I cannot understand why people use her so-called fighter persona to paint her as a hero. Trump doesn't back down either, nor do the republicans in general. Doubling down doesn't mean you're honest.
You might want to rethink the whole hero thing and your use of the word "mad".
Signed,
A strong, honest, successful woman who won't be silenced but who has a moral compass and integrity
senz
(11,945 posts)and very nice to see you, too.
It's funny how female Hill supporters seem to think they're the only females around.
Your sig line is more true than ever. So satisfying to say that, to know it. After MI, I've taken a little break from the massive adrenaline/worry thing I had going. But since the world will stop spinning if I stop worrying (something the scientists haven't figured out yet), I'll resume the whole gut-wrenching exercise in a day or two.
Hope you're getting all the R&R you need without losing your fine edge.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I've been in exile myself, serving time in England and Ireland visiting family. It was really nice to unplug. I'm hopefully going back for the summer because of the humid summers here making my condition worse. It's also great being in the loving bosom of my family and meeting up at the pub every night for a bit of the craic. It's so much different over there, and I love the self-effacing, easy laughing way they have about them.
And I cracked up reading your remark about the world stopping if you don't worry...I've got the same problem LOL!
senz
(11,945 posts)It's great you have family in such an ancient and interesting locale and can go back in the summer. Yes, unplugging feels so good, and meeting in a pub every night to hang out with easygoing friends is a wonderful way to unwind and reconnect. I too enjoy regional differences among people. We all should travel more and aim for extended stays. I think I could love doing that, and it should be possible with Air B&Bs, etc. Been seriously thinking of becoming an expat if Bernie doesn't win the GE. This beautiful country could become unlivable.
Glad to know that if I take a break from worrying, you can pick up the slack. Think how guilty we'd feel if the world fell apart on account of us! Hope everyone appreciates our noble efforts, lol.
How close to the abyss people have come over the last few days, they'll never know!!
senz
(11,945 posts)Few know, and fewer appreciate, what we do for them.
But David knew.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)
Entitled, condescending and dismissive. She's a fighter when challenged on her record, that's for sure.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)But has she ever really accomplished anything significant on her own?
She "helped" get CHIP passed. As far as I can see that is her only positive achievement. She's helped get many negative achievements passed, like tough on crime and welfare reform.
I think her negatives by far outweigh her positives, and I don't like loud and bossy women or men.
And no...Bernie may be loud (when he's enthusiastic), but he's not bossy.
Paka
(2,760 posts)...a truly humble man. This is not about him but US.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And your post wasn't even the tiniest bit anti-Sanders, just pro-Hillary. And most of the folks jumping on your back will be the first ones to holler that DU isn't anti-Hillary and the hatred of her here is just based on "policy."
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And got caught in the way. Lying is not an admirable trait no matter what the gender.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I can't think of any other explanation.
Maybe they do admire women who can get as down and dirty and dishonest as men in order to win.
Number23
(24,544 posts)admiration and support for Hillary Clinton which folks like you have made it abundantly clear is unacceptable here now.
You seem quite happy about that too, and your comment about "gender" really speaks volumes.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)She will get total agreement there.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Apparently.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)For constant reinforcement. It's almost as if some need to keep convincing themselves, by trying to censor others.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Using lies to manipulate voters is not a value any little girl should admire.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)or any decent woman who might run for president in the future.
We all deserve better. Don't settle for less.
ALBliberal
(2,340 posts)She was advocating for healthcare? Who helps her in the fact checking department. An embarrassment really.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I accept that part of politics is that they make lies of omission and commission when stating their case. It's just what they do. But if that woman told me my own head was on fire I would not believe her.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)seriously how do these types go to the post office without dying?
that's why they're so vicious online--they feel justified because of their catastrophizing of anything that happens to them
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)but that one is truly off the rails.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)they're even attacking the admins
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I believe there are women and brown people in Honduras. One of those women was just murdered. Thankfully, before she died, she singled out Clinton for her role in the rw coup. I guess those brown women don't matter.
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Broward
(1,976 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)"Amy Chozick is a national political reporter at The New York Times with a focus on covering Hillary Clinton."
and apparently a graduate of the Jonathan Capehart school of journalism.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)MuseRider
(34,108 posts)If she used to she has tarnished it saying things like this, and yesterday and the day before. I would rather have someone with enough honor to at least (in the VERY least) try to be honest. Constant apologies and non apologies or no apologies at all show how far someone is willing to sell themselves out. How far will they go to sell us out? Once, twice or maybe even 3 times in the stress and exhaustion of a campaign maybe could be forgiven but this is part of your character as many times as we have seen it over all these years. What is the truth?
EDIT: Also LOL! Imagine.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)President she will no longer bother with the apologies.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)Response to MuseRider (Reply #31)
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libodem
(19,288 posts)For some reason that ROTHFLMAO smilie seems like a gloating asshole.
Maybe too many snarky, smarmy, nose in the air, adult brats, have ruined it for me. It carries that
, I'm laughing at you, not with you, and why sre you so upset, I think its really funny, I'm not serious, why are you all bitter?
Had to dump that off my chest. All in all, glad that gloating, in your face, icon is on my side for once.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)I associate the ROFL with a number of Turd way posters.
Marr
(20,317 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)...and probably more accurate, too.
And the more of them they use, the more it strikes me that way, the more insecure they must be about their position!
libodem
(19,288 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)That has already been established!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Holy shit...
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Mbrow
(1,090 posts)oops...
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)thanking him for supporting her on healthcare. She signed it Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1993. It is the picture shown in the article linked in post #46 in this thread.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)PLEASE!!
Segami
(14,923 posts)You won't believe your eyes until you actually see it.........Bernie standing behind Hillary at Health Care Reform presser. AFTER Hillary claims that she didn't know where he was when she was trying to get health care in '93 and '94,.... ..RIGHT BEHIND YOU!........
Lorien
(31,935 posts)BUSTED!!
michaz
(1,352 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)"Where's the bunny? Why, there you are!"
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)I'm not a Bernie fan and I'm voting for Hillary Tuesday, but I still have a sense of humor.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)If there's one thing that finally swings me over to your side, it's this comedic meme.
Do you know Clinton blatantly lied about this knowing full well he was standing there 25 years ago?
Every day Bernie people try desperately to smear Hillary Clinton with shameful accusations of which only a small portion have any significance. It was this tactic of moral intimidation that drove me into Camp Hillary a few months ago in the first place. Sanders' indignant supporters assured I'll not vote for him next week in Ohio, so nice job, and that's on you. I also recruited three others to join me.
Now I'm losing my sense of good nature and wish I'd just ignored this post from the humorless Bernie crowd who see every little thing as the end of the free world.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)If you stood up at a strategy meeting and suggested belittling people and using insulting terms like "turd way" to win them over to Bernie's side, you'd be back at your old job that day.
Do me a favor though, and you have a knack for this: If Hillary wins the nomination, please jump on social media to convince people that Hillary is not the liberal loon that conservatives will be painting her as. They'll call her "the most liberal senator since Ted Kennedy" and connect her to everyone from Obama to Saul Alinsky, but if you counter that by explaining that she's actually a right wing neocon working for Republican ideals you may keep them laughing so hard they'll forget to vote in November.
phazed0
(745 posts)You seem to be defending certain points that, IMO, seem quite clear as to their flaws and true intentions.
Also, to base your voting decision on the actions of one's supporters, not of one's actions and policy is a fundamental logical fallacy.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)I think demeaning my intellect is beginning to sway me. Is that how they pulled you in?
SNL did a skit tonight with Larry David as Bernie. He spoke to his supporters to ask them to "dial it back a little, I'm great but not ten posts a day great". I guess others are beginning to notice that his people are more than a bit off putting and overbearing.
phazed0
(745 posts)I wasn't demeaning your intellect (of which you have not shown here). I am attempting to point out that ignorance can be rectified with learning and facts.
I suppose teachers are demeaning to their students when they attempt to teach? Children are ignorant, but not stupid.
TM99
(8,352 posts)She lied, she got caught, and we are the shameful ones?
El Shaman
(583 posts)like Fread R . Turbo.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)I didn't know who Fread J Turbo was, so I did a search with no luck. It turns out Fred R Turbo was an imbecilic redneck character on Johnny Carson's old show, but you misspelled his name.
That's ironic because his middle initial "R" is for "Arthur", stressing how he was so dim witted he even had a hard time properly spelling his name.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)This shit simply isn't normal.
It's now and every day thing.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I have a feeling that things are looking a lot worse than they are letting on so maybe if she lies, lies and lies some more, some of it will stick.
It's what she did in '08 and it's her same game plan now.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)and that would be very scary.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Book I read about the election back then, she and Obama had met very briefly when their paths crossed at a campaign stop,
He said he could see the fear in her eyes.
And you can see it now, too, if you look closely, esp. in videos.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)They can make you do weird shit whilst appearing somewhat normal.
Her behavior has been quite puzzling lately.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)to be acting a bit odd when we saw him on the news the other night.
He was talking with a journalist at some event and only said a few words, but he seemed very 'odd'. Almost a bit 'out of it'.
I was thinking the same thing, but I often chalk it up to being a conspiracy theorist. But when my very level headed hubbie remarked about it, it gave me pause.
just kinda odd.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Maybe it is her memory.
In any event, this person should not be president. I'm sorry, HRC fans.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)fingers crossed!
Merryland
(1,134 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Clinton is trying so hard to say whatever she thinks will get her votes.
It really backfired yesterday with the Reagan-AIDS advocacy comments and again today with questioning where Sanders was on Health Care in '93.
The only laughable thing is how transparent her lies are. She is NOT a good candidate for President. It has nothing to do with her gender.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)hot tea through the nose is very unpleasant.
GO BERNIE!!!
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)EVERYTHING. Flapping her jaws without checking the historical record is foolish. And it's coming back to bite her.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)about "mishandling" a SC church dinner. Collective yawn. That the Clinton Machine would get something like this so very wrong is pretty astounding, and it's fascinating to watch social media pounce.
Holly_Hobby
(3,033 posts)and doesn't understand how cameras and film work? Not to mention people's memory of that time. I remember feeling that she failed us.
ornotna
(10,800 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Sure - right, okay. Whatever.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare
She was going to HIM for help with this. Just because he didn't put his face front and center, he's been fighting for universal healthcare since he went to the Senate.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)He just wants to get the job done. He's not concerned with recognition and accolades.
That's a real fighter and a real champion. Not the people who are looking for photo ops all the time (Flint anyone?).
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie has been LEADING on this issue for decades, long after Hillary sold out.
Don't you guys ever get tired of looking foolish?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)But don't you dare criticize her for anything Bill did, even if she's on record supporting it.
Like nailing jello to a wall.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I just got home from two weeks in England and Ireland and I'm just catching up with the news
Seems like the proverbial wheels are falling off her campaign.
I would have srious respect for anybody in the Hillary camp here who had an epiphany about her lack of ruthfulness and said as much. But apparently being impervious to the truth is a learned trait.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've mostly been staying out of GDP for obvious reasons but today it was just too tempting.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Spent a lot of time in pubs being quizzed over the political situation here. But I had a wonderful time, especially with my family and think I'm going to rent a place for the summer (in Ireland) because it's better for my MS than the brutal NY summers.
Good idea to stay out of GDP. Toxic.
artyteacher
(598 posts)So not for the clinton plan?
In fact, was he actually fighting against the Clinton plan? So he was trying for too much too fast even back then?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why would she thank him if he was fighting against her?
artyteacher
(598 posts)Maybe he can continue to support her initiatives in her administration.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)You'd fit right in.
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magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It must be fucking exhausting for her.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)To a dishonest person it's easy to lie, second nature, no exhaustion whatsoever.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Not much better tho
Thanks for the link!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Any kind of twisted logic or scenario to smear him.
And the Hillary supporters eat it up and believe it all. Just like the Trumpsters.
Hey, I just thought of Trumpster, rhymes with Dumpster.
Gary 50
(381 posts)When all else failed Bill Clinton came up with "He lives in a bubble." You got him Bill. He does live in a bubble of honesty and incorruptibility. Don't worry Bill, you and Hillary will never be accused of that.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Autumn
(45,066 posts)Not so much. She's losing it just like she did with Obama.
Autumn
(45,066 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)like she did in 2008. One bad campaign blunder after another.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)democrank
(11,094 posts)The guy behind Hillary doesn`t look anything like Bernie Sanders. I think it`s Hillary`s dear friend, Henry Kissinger.
And that 1993 thank-you note to Bernie? Probably forged by a Socialist.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)good one.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Jonathan Capehart says it's Bruce Rappaport.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Is there something wrong with her memory? Or just her brain?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)insert foot.
She just keeps doing that. I wonder why they haven't treated her for hoof and mouth disease yet.
OxQQme
(2,550 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)jeepers
(314 posts)of congressfolk and senators behind her, who can really blame her for having forgotten one or two names.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're welcome.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)She mentions and thanks him by name.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)concussion in 2012) to determine if she needs medical treatment. Too many memory failures are occurring.
democrank
(11,094 posts)a quarter million dollars for a one-hour speech!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)a damaged brain.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/
In one email exchange on Jan. 26, 2013, Abedin asks fellow staffer Monica Hanley whether Clinton knows to call Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Hanley replies: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her. Abedin stresses the importance of reviewing the schedule with Clinton: Very imp to do that. Shes often confused.
Its not the first time the word confused has been used to describe the Democratic presidential front-runner and former top diplomat. Clinton herself admits she gets confused and even apologizes to her staff for mix-ups while she was secretary of state
On May 31, 2010, Clinton emailed Abedin on the timing of her meetings and travel schedule. After a back-and-forth over the time, she writes: Ok but Im confused since I remember talking w Lona about changing to 8 tonight.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and aide Huma Abedin in September 2009.Photo: Getty Images
On Sept. 23, 2009, Clinton is emailing with chief of staff Cheryl Mills about an upcoming State Department senior leadership retreat. After reviewing the draft agenda, Clinton was thrown by whether Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg would be there for an earlier presentation. Im confusedwill he be there in am? Can he be urged to reschedule whatever else he has and come?
Huma Abedins description of Hillary Clinton as easily confused tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clintons illegal email server, Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in a statement.
In emails Clinton turned over herself to the State Department, she apologizes several times for confusing her staff. The emails show how Clinton, who is often perceived as polished and rehearsed, makes mistakes when emailing about foreign affairs.
A day earlier, Dec. 12, 2009, Clinton apologized for confusing Guinea and Morocco in an email. She sends a note to three staffers, including Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman. Good catch, Jeff! Yestwo issues. there will be a contact group about Guinea that the French want us to be strong on too. Sorry for the confusion.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I use "I'm confused... " all the time at work. Its shorthand for "yer an idiot, so let me restate that". Huma on the other hand is making a judgement call.
Didn't see the Huma email news when it came out - thanks for posting this. Surprised people haven't been making more hay about that.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)but as someone just said I bash Hillary because she is Hillary and I'm a right winger who wants healthcare for all, an educated populace, corruption and Wall Street to be reined in......makes a hell of a lot of sense.......... :
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Perhaps she has Alzheimer's ?
Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)very well.
Yes, that is definitely a take away. The guy you say is so much better than Hillary it turns out has been a supporter of hers. That's the unintended consequence of this OP.
I find this to be a really common blindspot for ideologues in general. The lack of nuance extends to a lack of understanding that the consequences of your actions isn't necessarily what you hope it will be.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)He's a supporter of universal healthcare and he would/will work with ANYONE who wants that same goal.
It was wonderful when Hillary was actively fighting for it! No doubt! But she changed her views on it.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)IMO you've spent too much time on Fox.
ornotna
(10,800 posts)Have you seen this one.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=opedne_steven_l_080320_hillary_clinton_s_re.htm
Keep up the good work.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Yes, she spent her career lying to the public about all kinds of shit and voting for wars to advance her career and Steven was documenting it.
But then she didn't have a temper tantrum when she lost to Obama and used that to advance her career, so Steven apologized and so she apparently untold all those lies. Or something.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Hillary is the same person you bitterly and nastily criticized in 2008. The same person.
No, Bernie is not dropping out.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Welcome to team Hillary!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)So she may not have even seen him through her filters
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)It's becoming impossible to lie without getting caught these days! A real bummer for politicians!
SixString
(1,057 posts)michaz
(1,352 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)she never looks back.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)condition (lack of).
AzDar
(14,023 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Is it just an easy thing to say - cast doubt on someone but not actually accuse them of doing nothing?
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)A+ for Team Clinton's efforts in orchestrating effective smears
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Denying his record seems to be their most desperate tactic.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"I have been a civil rights activist like this all of my life, and I have been to Chicago many times for many different campaigns that the community there - the Latino community was there. I have, to this day, to meet Mr. Obama. I have never encountered him in any of these big campaigns that we have done in Chicago on different issues. And, as I say, I have never yet to meet the man."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on
Dolores Huerta: Como se llama Obama?
http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/
It's all templates, recycled materials without any actual grounding in reality. 'Obama we never saw him, we call her Hillaria and we say about him what's his name?" Barf. Sh
dana_b
(11,546 posts)interesting... well, it's NOT working for them but if they have to keep casting disparagement on Bernie, then I guess that they should keep up this method.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)and standing behind her...she is such a deceptive liar!
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)A lot of her supporters will shut out the truth and never know any better. I don't know where she was when she said this, but it was likely heard by some number of people before it was corrected. Those that heard the uncorrected quote may never know any better.
Take DU for instance. I know quite a few Hillary supporters have trashed the primary boards so they can live in their own safe haven with unchallenged beliefs. The thing about living in an echo chamber is it reduces the knowledge pool while simultaneously reaffirming beliefs that are already held. That's not helpful to making well-informed decisions in the long run.
So how do you help spread information to those that intentionally close off avenues of information? Is it an uphill battle, or is it impossible?
Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)I was planning on either voting O'Malley or No Preference on Tuesday, but I have hit rock bottom with the constant revisionism. The Contras were not a noble cause: they attacked hospital workers and nuns doing charity work. The Reagans were no friends to those suffering from AIDS. And Clinton herself bore some responsibility for the failure of Health Care reform in the 1990s.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Welcome to team #FeelTheBern
O'Malley is a good man and I hope that he and Bernie work closely together once Bernie wins the nomination.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)did not want her to succeed. And she didn't. He was in the minority helping her.
And this is how she shows her appreciation for that?
What a lowlife.
Smears him with blacks after all the stuff he did for civil rights and top notch support of their causes in congress.
Smears him with latinos after all the stuff he's done for latinos - not just in this country.
.
And now this.
Ok, I'm convinced. She really should not be president. She has no heart or soul or something. There is really something fundamentally wrong with this person. I'm sure of it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I don't.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)and that 1993 or whatever photo of her and Bernie together with writing a thank you note below it might have sent a message to someone whose memory isn't fried to say "I don't think you should go there because there is embarrassing proof that you created and wrote and has already been published demonstrating this as a pathetic lie."
Obviously, this is the second short circuit in the last couple of days (the other being Nancy Reagan BS).
I defended her in the Reagan thread but this? I can't defend it. It's despicable and outrageous. Obviously, I was wrong to defend her in the other thread. She's f***ed up in the head.
When some of Bernie's supporters won't come out for her in the general if she makes it, think of this day. It is crap like this that should make it clear enough why some people who are angry and outraged by this won't be able to bring themselves to support her. She's going out of her way to lie and real low to do so. And this isn't the first time in this campaign nor 2008 against Obama (I'm sure some remember how Keith Olbermann reacted to this behavior. He'd rip a strip off her and name her "worst person of the month".)
If her memory is so bad that she can't remember the Reagan's and LGBT/AIDS and she can't remember Bernie repeatedly supporting her on Hillarycare, then she should withdraw. If she does remember it, she's so unconscionably deceitful, she's unfit for the Oval office. Unfortunately, in her tunnel vision, screw-everybody-at-whatever-cost-so I-can-be-President effort, she's probably forgot things like decency, integrity, good sense and good graces too. That all goes out the window if she can deceive a few more into voting for her.
The Far Left
(59 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)True, that.
polly7
(20,582 posts)He's a good man who never did a thing to her or anyone else to deserve this.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)it's called narcissism. Most people are a bit narcissistic and the term does get over used. However, as someone who has some family members who are pathologically narcissistic, I can attest that the pattern of behavior is quite obvious. When they don't get what they want...look out. They will stop at nothing. Lying, gaslighting, manipulating. It's par for the course. They can be unbelievably endearing and caring when things are going their way...and usually they are quite smart. Just don't get on their bad side. And...just to explain - they don't CARE when they are caught lying or smearing. Somehow, they will make it YOUR fault, YOUR problem. You watch.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Trump supporters are the same. The facts don't matter, they'll see and hear what they want to see and hear.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)She was and is very generous with thank you notes to people who express their support to her. But that does not mean they actually did any hard work.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Both Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch (the authors and driving forces behind the bill) say otherwise.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The childrens health program wouldnt be in existence today if we didnt have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)But privately, some lawmakers and staff members are fuming over what they see as Clinton's exaggeration of her role in developing SCHIP, including her campaign ads claiming she "helped create" the program.
...
Kennedy said he patterned the SCHIP plan on a similar program Massachusetts had approved in 1996. Kennedy's account was backed up by two Bay State healthcare advocates who met with Kennedy in Boston to discuss the possibility of taking the idea nationwide: Dr. Barry Zuckerman, director of pediatrics at Boston Medical Center, and John McDonough, then a Democratic state legislator and now the executive director of Health Care for All, a healthcare advocacy group.
...
McDonough, a Democrat who has not endorsed a presidential candidate, also said it was Kennedy who developed the SCHIP idea after that meeting. "I don't recall any signs of Mrs. Clinton's engagement," McDonough said. "I'm sure she was behind the scenes, engaged in lobbying, but it is demonstrably not the case" that she was driving the effort, he said....
...
But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.
"The White House wasn't for it. We really roughed them up" in trying to get it approved over the Clinton administration's objections, Hatch said in an interview. "She may have done some advocacy [privately] over at the White House, but I'm not aware of it."
"I do like her," Hatch said of Hillary Clinton. "We all care about children. But does she deserve credit for SCHIP? No - Teddy does, but she doesn't."
This was the first NY Times report on it ... not a word about Hillary
Hatch Joins Kennedy to Back a Health Program
Here's Hillary standing behind Bill Clinton's effort to shut it down
Senate Unwilling to Amend Budget Resolution
Besides the highway votes, the only measure that threatened to put the two bodies on different tracks was an effort on Wednesday by Senators Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, and Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, to raise tobacco taxes to pay for health insurance for children who lack it.
That measure was killed with the help of President Clinton. Today Hillary Rodham Clinton, who led the Administration's failed health care effort in 1994, defended the President's action.
''He had to safeguard the overall budget proposal,'' Mrs. Clinton said at a luncheon. ''He will look for ways to demand full coverage for minors' health.''
... which was BS because they already had a way that eventually passed .. a 15 cent tax on cigarettes ...
As the bill passed, NYT looked at who deserves the credit:
Through Senate Alchemy, Tobacco Is Turned Into Gold for Children's Health
Mr. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, was the major political driving force behind the effort, along with Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, whom he enlisted in early January.
Away from Capitol Hill but in lockstep with the political efforts of Mr. Kennedy and Mr. Hatch, the Children's Defense Fund organized one of the most feverish grass-roots lobbying campaigns ever on an issue. Within a matter of weeks, the organization brought together a coalition of 250 groups ranging from the Girl Scouts of America to the American Association of Retired Persons, won the aid of Hillary Rodham Clinton and two of her predecessors, Betty Ford and Rosalynn Carter, and began a nationwide radio and newspaper advertising campaign that asked politicians and the public to choose between ''Joey,'' a cherubic 4-year-old boy, and ''Joe Camel,'' the widely known cartoon character that until recently was featured in advertisements for Camel cigarettes.
Before getting too excited about the Children's Defense Fund, remember, the Edelmans had already ripped the Clintons for the welfare bill and left having anything to do with the Clinton administration. So Hillary steals some credit from her "old friend", Marian Wright Edelman, who said in 2007 they were not friends politically going back more than 10 years - before this bill.
Hillary was one of 250 groups that got behind the bill. Did Hillary give past First Ladies Betty Ford or Rosalynn Carter any credit for similarly being a cheerleader for the bill like her.
Hillary did not have much to show for her time in the White House in terms of "getting things done". She dreamed up sniper fire in Bosnia, getting the peace deal in Ireland and this because she was desperate to show something. All she really did was some cheerleading. She already wasn't popular because of all her scandals and because of the divisiveness of Hillarycare. Having her out in front would have hurt the legislation's chances.
After the bill passed in 1997, Hillary wrote on oped in the NY times for it ... after the fact.
Then a couple of months later, after the heavy lifting to get the bill passed:
Hillary Clinton Begins Drive To Improve Care for Children
Largely absent from Washington's policy battles since national health insurance died in 1994, Hillary Rodham Clinton embarked today on a campaign to improve child care for working parents, particularly for people moving off welfare and into jobs.
Hillary started working on the issue of childrens healthcare in public AFTER the sCHIPS bill passed. Before then. she was too toxic from Hilarycare .. and congress and the Edelmans didn't like her much either after that.
I think Ted summed it up pretty well:
Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.
"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts."
If Ted or any one else gave Hillary much credit for CHIPS later, they were throwing her a bone because she didn't have one. On the record in the media back then, Hillary didn't go to the public on it to try to get it passed in any substantial way and congress didn't like her so they weren't going to be influenced by someone who was still toxic politically from Hillarycare.
So let's sum it up, according to the media coverage in 1997:
1. She flat out lied about creating the program. That is beyond debate. Folks in MA and Ted Kennedy came up with the idea.
2. She did not write the legislation. Kennedy and Hatch did.
3. She couldn't do much in congress because she'd been neutered by her Hillarycare failure. Kennedy and Hatch did the bulk of that in a bipartisan way
4. She did not go the the public to campaign for it in any substantial way according to the NYT who published her first OpEd on it .. after it had been passed. Kennedy and Hatch and the Childrens Defense Fund got the group of 250 together and ran the ads campaign to put pressure on the White House - not Hillary
5. She's on record originally backing her husband turning down the legislation in close to it's final form just a couple of months before it passed
Then 10 years later when she hopes everybody has forgotten and needs to pad her resume for running for president, (paraphrased) "oh yeah, I was a big driving force behind sCHIPS!" (because she had no legislative achievements to point to - just her Hillarycare failure ...) - not unlike Bosnia snipers .. because she had no 3AM/Foreign policy experiences. When Hillary's got nothing, she lies.
I think the way we should be approaching anything Hillary says going forward is to start by assuming it is a lie or deception because I think the odds are in our favor that we're right the majority of the time out of the gate.
Let's cut out Hillary's fantasy crap because once again, this is just cleverly veiled and crafted BS and let's get back to the reality of our regularly schedule campaign.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Pretty pathetic that a DUer would take right wing anti-abortion zealot Orrin Hatch's word over Ted Kennedy's.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)isn't going to work either. There were a lot more messengers than Hatch in that post. It is fair to cite Hatch because he was the Republican to champion the cause on the GOP side. Without him, there's no legislation.
Ted Kennedy, the New York Times, the Boston globe, several other politicians called her out.
First example of Hillary taking credit for the program:
February 12, 2008 - New Clinton Ad Casts Health Care As "Obligation"
"She fought for universal health care, long before it was popular"... "Got health insurance for six million kids"
As First Heroic Liar, Hillary Clinton claimed "She" - giving credit to no one else - not Ted Kennedy - not Orin Hatch - not the Edelmans & the Children's Defense Fund - "she" as in Hillary Rodham Clinton and she alone got health care insurance for six million kids all by herself.
Second example
January 31, 2008 Transcript of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate
"And certainly during the eight years that I was privileged to be in the White House, I had a great deal of responsibility that was given to me to not only work on domestic issues, like health care -- and when we weren't successful on universal health care, I just turned around and said, well, we're going to get the Children's Health Insurance Program. And I'm so proud we do, because now six million children around the country every month get health care."
: Again, Hillary claims the leadership and full credit for the existence of this program.
Third example:
Nobody has worked harder or longer to improve health care than Hillary Clinton. From her time in Arkansas when she improved rural health care to her successful effort to create the SCHIP Childrens Health Insurance program which now covers six million children, Hillary has the strength and experience to ensure that every man, woman and child in America has quality, affordable health care.HillaryClinton.com 2007
Her website "her successful effort to create SCHIP" again, no Ted Kennedy, No Orin Hatch, No Edelmans - all Hillary lies all the time.
Fourth example:
"She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance."HillaryClinton.com 2007
"She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program" again, no Ted Kennedy, No Orin Hatch, No Edelmans => just pure bullshit like Hillary has done for years.
And she lied about this many times. It was actually cooked up from her Senate campaign when her opponent raised the fact that she had never accomplished anything legislatively.
Did you ever read her book, Living History ? It spent about 100 pages on her life before the White House. It wrapped up with about 24 pages on her campaign and victory to become a US Senator. It devoted about 500 of it's 624 pages on the White House campaign and her time as as First Lady. She wrote volumes on her failed effort to pass HillaryCare. Do you know how much text she devoted to all this "wonderful" work she did for sCHIPS (State Childrens Health Insurance Program)? One f**king sentence on page 295:
"I worked behind the scenes with Senator Kennedy to help create the Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP)"
Relative to a lot of dull garbage in the book, you would think that would be of interest, particularly since it was "behind the scenes."
How do you explain that? If she was that instrumental and did all kinds of work to help get this sCHIPS program passed, and it was after her Senate adversary called her out for not getting anything done, why wouldn't she tell us all about the one significant legislative accomplishment of her lifetime (to 2016). Lazio (sp?) was right. She had done nothing significant and successfully legislatively.in her life in Washington. And she still hasn't.
This year she touts herself as the one to elect president because of her track record to "get things done". As of 2016, she still has no track record to get things of significance done legislatively. It's all smoke and bullshit. Those are the facts. I'm not making it up. Nobody has been able to come up with anything of significance.
If you want to continue to believe her lies and the propaganda they tried to put out to cover her lying tracks on this, that's your prerogative. She flat out lied her head off about this as she has so many other things throughout her lifetime in Washington. It's classic Hillary Lyin' Clinton.
As Ted Kennedy said about Hillary's bogus claims on this "Facts are stubborn things. I think we ought to stay with the facts." The above are the troubling facts for Hillary and why she never made a big deal about it in her book. She didn't do anything here to make a big deal about ... except lie about it.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)In Oct 2007, she looked like she was going to be the nominee. so Ted threw her a bone because she had none - trying to help the party.
In 2008, Kennedy jumped on Obama's band wagon. This issue had been coming up in the debates and the media. The Obama campaign called her on it. The Boston Globe article in mid-March, 2008 (well after Oct 2007) looked into it. Ted knew Hillary had been into lying about other stuff and pulling some dirty tricks so he withdrew his bone and along with others in congress, the New York Times in 1997, etc came down against her. the Boston Globe reported this :
.http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/?page=full
Kennedy has endorsed Obama, a move that deeply upset the Clinton campaign. Hatch initially endorsed Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, then switched to Senator John McCain of Arizona after Romney left the race. Hatch, a longtime Kennedy friend, said he didn't want to criticize Clinton, but felt that the record should be set straight about how the SCHIP program was developed.
Asked whether Clinton was exaggerating her role in creating SCHIP, Kennedy, stopped in the hallway as he was entering the chamber to vote, half-shrugged.
"Facts are stubborn things," he said, declining to criticize Clinton directly. "I think we ought to stay with the facts."
Aside from Kennedy & Hatch:
privately, some lawmakers and staff members are fuming over what they see as Clinton's exaggeration of her role in developing SCHIP, including her campaign ads claiming she "helped create" the program.
Henry Waxman "It was a bipartisan bill. I don't remember the role of the White House. ...It did not originate at the White House."
"I don't recall any signs of Mrs. Clinton's engagement," McDonough said. "... but it is demonstrably not the case" that she was driving the effort, he said.
The whole article sinks her outrageous claims in her ads and during the debates.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The childrens health program wouldnt be in existence today if we didnt have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/
Yes, facts are pesky things.
You can keep posting your spin if that's what makes you happy. It won't change the facts.
I'm done kickng this stupid thread.
Buh bye.
Mr. Brutus
(14 posts)fierywoman
(7,683 posts)I'm a Luddite, so I don't know how.
If he was standing behind her, doesn't it *usually* mean he "backs" her idea?
treestar
(82,383 posts)be in the same room and photographed with Kissinger and you are Kissinger's acolyte.
Be in same room with Hillary Clinton during the early 90s health care push and you are just as much to be credited as she was!
Oh wow, look at this
Bernie is a Jeb follower!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)He was not fighting to push Hillarycare through.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)He knew the 12% tax on the Vermont middle class such a program needed would be toxic to his political career. Suddenly, he couldn't find a microphone to talk to his constituents.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He did introduce legislation in the US Senate.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)That was in 1993, when she was getting started. She graciously thanks people who tell her they support her.
By 1994 she was being eviscerated by insurance companies on TV over Hillarycare. Bernie was not in the fight with her. Standing behind her in a photo op at Dartmouth is not proof of him fighting in the trenches with Hillary.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
arcane1
(38,613 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)So you offer sexist accusations that Hillary went "to bed with" insurance companies. She did not. While Sanders was listening to his own voice in empty chambers of Congress, Hillary got SCHIP passed covering 8 million kids.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And spare me the sexism canard, getting into bed with big money interests has nothing to do with gender.
Her record says different - She took MILLIONS FROM THEM.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Up until then you couldn't shut him up about it. Every Brunch with Bernie he talked about how "we" are getting single payer in Vermont and it will be the "model for the nation." But when the bean counters announced a 12% tax on the middle class would be required to pay for it, suddenly it became "them" and Bernie could not find a working microphone to talk to his constituents.
Seriously BMUS, that "not my job" excuse is pathetic.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)There was nothing he could do about it, talk to Shumlin, he's the reason it failed.
He introduced legislation in the US Senate.
You guys have no idea how government works, don't they teach civics anymore?
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Everyone, including Bernie, ran for their political lives once they found out how much it would cost.
Bernie used the bully pulpit to get the Vermont single payer law passed. But he just walked away from the fight when it came time to pay for it. Mainstream VT Democrats saw no reason to take it on the chin for single payer when they saw the state's (indeed the country's) most prominent Democratic Socialist running for cover.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You are just regurgitating talking points you read without realizing how it makes you look.
By all means, keep digging.
And PLEASE keep kicking this fabulous thread!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's infamous for that "logic".
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The Far Left
(59 posts)I don't see how a small state could pay for universal care without an undo tax burden being placed almost entirely on the working class. The very rich could simply switch states...
The burden for universal care should fall on everyone because the rich benefit from not having to cover employees where they are covered.
So universal health care should be paid for at the federal level, IMHO.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)When someone is on stage giving a speech, they often have their team or backers behind them on stage.
Geeze, you people will do anything to protect her, won't you?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)What in the holy hell is wrong with her campaign?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
casperthegm
(643 posts)More of the subtle, or not so subtle, jabs and innuendos. Love this, the auto bailout double down lie, the Koch brothers, etc. How the HRC supporters are ok with these kind of smear tactics is beyond me. Is it because you've become so jaded, so accustomed to "politics as usual" that you can't see the ethical problem with these tactics? And they wonder why HRC has trust issues...
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)They don't care at what cost. They really don't. They defend her every lie.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I can't stop. I remember when she did this. I was so proud of her, she really did a stunning amount of work and became very knowledgeable. She stood up there with all those men looking at her and explained to them and us what she had found and what she suggested. She was BRAVE. I don't remember the dates but I think that Rush was fairly new and there was a lot of "How dare she?" and "When did the American people elect her?", lots of jibes probably lots of them pretty sexist but I did not listen to the show but heard about it from friends or TV. I have always respected her for the smarts, incredible work and the guts to do that. Now I find myself wondering how someone jumps into the fire like she did and does not remember those who helped or supported her? That is one very large character flaw. Either that help means very little to her or she does not care to be honest when she thinks a lie would get her in a better position, no matter what kind of pain or loss her lie might inflict on someone who actually helped her.
Honesty in someone running things for us is important to me. Even more so when running our country. I assume everyone feels that way, right?
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Back then I was in my 30's and I used to aggressively get in people's faces when they trashed the Clinton's. I used to crow to them "we are gonna have 8 years of Bill and then 8 years of Hillary. I just adored her (I am a male FYI). But we all make mistakes in judging character especially when we are only fed the mass media, and remember, back then there were no vibrant discussion boards allowing people to collaborate and educate and learn.
At some point the Clinton's decided to cash in on their name, and I see no reason to give them further, serious consideration as they are bought and paid for.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I was just a bit older than you and home with little one's. Sometimes now I can't imagine how we ever knew anything. In order to check something you had to go to a library.
I was a supporter but not that big of a supporter but as a woman at home I was so very proud of her. In actuality I still am, for that anyway. I do not remember the content of her proposals but damn that woman had guts. Having been a nurse during Reagan I remembered the changes made to health care and insurance payments and was very worried about the trend then along come Ms. Clinton with ideas. It was something for women at that time. I have lost my respect for her now but will never forget when she stepped out. As a woman that was a proud moment, what came next was not good.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I have kept quiet here for most of the primary season because I honestly wasnt' sure up until the day before I cast my vote. So much of it because of the mud-slinging back and forth, not so much by the candidates, but by their supporters here.
I remember those days too. I remember reading Clinton's autobiography and falling a little bit in love with her, for who she was then. I remember getting into angry arguments with women who thought she was doing women an injustice for staying with Bill in light of his "troubles." It was, after all, her marriage and her life...
Now, I can't reconcile that with this person I see before me. This person who puts on a huckster voice when she speaks down south. This educated woman. This woman whose supporters negate my own status as a female because I don't blindly support in the hopes of a female president (which I very much would have loved to have happen this cycle). I just can't.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)That picture will look great in my sig line.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)One of her biggest supporters during that battles and she TOTALLY FORGOT?
valerief
(53,235 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Not exactly a winning slogan, is it?
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I thought I knew Hillary, and it hurts me that I was wrong. I'm a lover not a fighter,l.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, FlatBaroque.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)"You know there's tape, right? And intertoobz?"....oh. Wait....
ejbr
(5,856 posts)Everyday is something new!
Moral Compass
(1,520 posts)Wow. She has all these smart people working for her and they couldn't keep this total face palm of an attack from leaving her mouth? Really?
Nay
(12,051 posts)is her staff not vetting the speeches before she gives them? It's hard to know whether she has a memory problem, a character problem, or whether she's simply desperate for an edge over Bernie.
madokie
(51,076 posts)He's been at the forefront of all that we need and must have his whole adult life.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)that does not mean he spent a lot of time on the issue, geez.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bernie never stopped fighting for single payer while Hillary sold us out for MILLION$:
Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
Damn those pesky facts again!
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)of the two of them, saying thanks for your support on healthcare.
I would say she is forgetting that he was involved.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)He surely wasn't invited, and definitely wasn't back there with others who were actually participating.
Nope, not at all!
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ever having been involved or interested. He must just duck into these shindigs for the appetizers and coffee. Maybe he was looking for the bathroom.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)She signed this!!!
:large
Fuck her.
.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)WTH is wrong with her?
I wonder if Hillary supporters look at that photo and don't see Bernie either
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Carlo Marx
(98 posts)Rather than outsourcing her lying to the likes of David Brock, Bill & Chelsea, John Lewis and 98 percent of the Democratic Party--she's courageously doing her own dirty work.
Initech
(100,068 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)HRC isnot prgrsv
(13 posts)...oh, oh be careful, HRC supporters are going to start crying 'cause you are bashing her.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)She's a mess.
senz
(11,945 posts)Has the woman no gratitude? No sense of who's on whose side? Or maybe she doesn't see see "sides" they way we do. Maybe there's just pro-Hill and that vast wasteland of everything else.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)No shame at all
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)moments of great social and political import. Sorta like Forest Gump!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Ha ha.
PufPuf23
(8,774 posts)that attention seeking socialist Sanders oozed his way in to the publicity shots?
Or maybe Hillary Clinton has a foot in mouth fetish as she skips down her path of self-destruction.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I heard it on the internet Al Gore invented.
elljay
(1,178 posts)Just like there are two Trumps, according to Ben Carson. It was the other Hillary in those photos. Wonder whatever happened to her?
deutsey
(20,166 posts)She's obviously suffering from memory problems associated with the PTSD she has from surviving sniper fire in Bosnia.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I haven't laughed so hard on DU for a long time. And yet, I can't stop shaking my head. I guess this is how she repays people who supported her during her very real struggles? She forgets them altogether. I guess Hillary voters should take note - perhaps a preview of what would happen if she becomes president.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)"Where was Bernie when I was dodging sniper fire in Bosnia!!!"
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)Well, I've been going back and forth between laughing out loud and shaking my head. In the end she exhausts me.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)My brother had seizers during high school. his memory is depressingly bad.. and it's not 40 yet 3 1/2 yrs younger but I remember stuff up to about 4-5 yrs old. brother can barely remember stuff 10 years ago let alone stuff I remember vividly from 87 to 1990. So clearly age has nothing to do with memory. so Bernie has a better memory. I'll go with him clearly
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)funny
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)What an effing hack.
cer7711
(502 posts). . . you can't see someone if they're standing behind you.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)taking her comment literally by posting a photo of them together.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)than to believe what she says on the campaign trail.
She doesn't mean any of it literally. It's all figurative...including any plans she may talk about that would actually help the 99%.
Triana
(22,666 posts)Response to FlatBaroque (Original post)
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Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)raging moderate
(4,304 posts)And then there are all those times he held the floor in the House or the Senate through the years....
Jon Ace
(243 posts)Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)1993:
1994:
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)Thank you!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Never saw him...nope, not once
Fearless
(18,421 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,026 posts)and the hillshill threads have less than 20. Really. There is a reason.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)INB4 the Hillary-can-do-no-wrong group says it must be because its on the internets, and any poll/rec system is flawed.
Unfrickenbelievable.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Late seeing this one, but wow!
Have we had this big of a liar in politics in recent memory? Was Lyin Ryan this bad, or no? Maybe Newt Gingrich. I'm thinking Hillary has to be the most prolific, if also inept.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Hopefully, somehow miraculously, this will help to put an end to her train wreck of a campaign.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)I don't know how she does it. Every day I discover new lies from her. I can't keep up with all her prodigious lying and am astounded at her production. Telling lies to puff herself up is like her default mode. Pathological.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)remembering voices and presences that actually were there!
Hey Hillary: praise Nancy!
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Why can't Hillary remember anything?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)She was under sniper fire at the time, you know.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)She probably forgot due the the PTSD she suffers from dodging sniper fire.
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)this is actually sad-funny level of a bad tactic blowing up in one's face, worthy of Wile E. Coyote, super genius.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)It's a shame. Very disappointing but I guess it's better to see it...every bit of clarifying information is good.
Sad though
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)stage left
(2,962 posts)This or praising Nancy Reagan to the skies for the Reagan's "activism" in the Aids crisis. Some of us lived back then, too, Hillary, and we remember.
different equation
(69 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)I didn't know that there were actually 600 people posting here!