2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnyone else find it a bit disturbing that we have a Democratic candidate who....
Has written off an entire region of the country whose citizens are most likely to be disenfranchised and marginalized? Of course Im referring to Bernie Sanders and the South.
We criticize Republicans for their Southern Strategy (of appealing to only southern white conservatives) so it only seems realistic to criticize Bernie's Northern Strategy (of only appealing to northern white liberals).
White kids in college towns arent disenfranchised and marginalized by society or their govt. Southern blacks are.
Thoughts?
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)This is a really stupid OP. Really. Very.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)have a position on this matter????
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Oh no wait, those are actually leftists who wrote that.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)You know I'll find out sooner or later so you could just save me some time
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)scorched earth, any port syndrome. No source is off limits for some of the Hillary supporters.....
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)a "true" Socialist Peter Diamondstone so Janey should be happy that Bernie is on the right of him. Perhaps some prefer right center or bit more on the right candidates, I don't know since a right wing PAC was used as the source to slander Sanders the other day.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)posts. I suggest your side make up its mind, Bernie is too far left and does
not vote enough with the Democrats or Miller's take that he is a sell out
going along with those Democrats warmongering. lol
What a sickeningly cynical OP but good to know how you embrace the Brock approach
to helping your candidate Hillary win.
The link you left out:http://www.libertyunionparty.org/?page_id=363
Armstead
(47,803 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Well played.
Mother Of Four
(1,716 posts)I about died. Now my kids know for sure I'm a nutball. Thanks :p
bvf
(6,604 posts)PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)"I've seen stupider"
lol
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)This is shear desperation
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Shameful OP.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That's a very weak candidate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But wouldnt it be nice to turn some red states purple or blue?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Independants don't like her, zero republicans will cross over to vote for her, and a sizeable number of Democrats won't even vote for her. She has the highest untrustworthy and negative numbers of any candidate in both parties. Not a chance in hell of her capturing ANY swing states, and very likely lose a few considered blue. Very weak candidate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)More and more every day. And if she cant win the south Bernie sure as hell cant. Or are you ok with writing off an entire region of America?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)As I figured.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Karma13612
(4,555 posts)these same voters will vote republican in November.
They want to have her as the Dem nominee since they believe she is the weaker candidate and that against her, the republican will win.
I happen to think they are right in as much as she is the weaker Dem candidate.
The republicans don't want to have Bernie as the Dem nominee since he is (and early polls have shown) the stronger candidate.
I am NOT advocating that anyone cross party lines to pull this crap, but you can be sure some have.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)allegations and innuendo about her. The lie that gets repeated enough is the one believed. We have done much harm to the Clintons over the last decades. She isn't perfect but nothing she has done warrants the nasty attacks she gets from folks here. From killing Vince Foster to causing the Iraq war...as we do ourselves a disservice.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Iowa, Colorado, New Hampshire...
She, however, is not.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The vast majority of the voters want a president who will stand up to corporate power. HRC never has and never will. POC want that more than anyone, since POC get hurt more by corporate greed than the rest of the country do.
IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)...anyone but the modern-day robber barons.
Your assertion that he only appeals to white college kids is ridiculous and reeks of desperation.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)So why did he dump massive money into Michigan and Minnesota but not Alabama and Mississippi?
IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)Not trying harder to win a state is not the same as writing people off and not not doing anything to better their lives.
Jesus, those are some flabbergasting mental gymnastics you're doing.
You know what you deserve? The infuriatingly dismissive retort I've seen from so many out-of-touch Clinton supporters..."Bless your heart."
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And Im biracial so please dont talk to me about racebaiting.
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Calling people names and personal attacks will get you banned quickly. If u cant debate in a civil manner, DU isnt the place for you. You can even edit your post before it gets alerted on and hidden. Then you cant post here anymore. Best of luck and remember, these are just pixels.
IllinoisLabour
(86 posts)Your posts in this thread are thinly-veiled race-baiting garbage and you should feel bad about yourself.
If speaking truth gets me banned while you keep spouting off verbal diarrhea, I welcome it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)marble falls
(57,405 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)It doesn't mean he doesn't care about people in these states, or won't fight for their issues. But he learned that, even though the large AA electorate in South Carolina liked him once they learned about him, that was not enough to flip their votes from someone they had felt so connected to. He is smart enough to have learned that there's nothing he can do to get that vote. Heck, even peopler here, when asked "what else could Sanders do to win over the southern AA vote," have no good answers. He would basically have to turn back time (i.e. create a presence in the south that started many years ago). No amount of money will do that. When facing a Republican opponent, he should get plenty of southern AA vote... but he's simply not going to win here versus Hillary. So his resources are better allocated elsewhere.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Choosing not to spend campaign funds in a particular region isn't the same as writing off the concerns of citizens who live there.
Seems pretty basic...
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)and I support Bernie Sanders. Not everyone who supports Bernie Sanders is a white male from a northern state.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)erase my support just to make your point? I don't matter just because I don't support Clinton?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Im not trying to erase anything. Your vote is your vote. I wont be there when you cast it. I live in NYC. Vote your support.
seattleite
(79 posts)They condescend to you as if you're a straight, white, male no matter who you are.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'm a white woman who lives in a western state, and I support Bernie. Oh, and I'm a senior citizen, too.
So stereotyping the Sanders supporters just isn't going to cut it.
Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Honestly?
TM99
(8,352 posts)college kids in Chicago who chanted his name as they shut down Trump's hate-fest?
Or are these northern blacks less disenfranchised and marginalized? Is that what you are trying to push now with this insinuation.
Y'all must be trying to avoid the reality that Clinton has been caught and called out now on TWO major lies in TWO days.
choie
(4,111 posts)My thought is stop it with the race baiting
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Waste his time and money campaigning in states that have already voted but that would be rather stupid don't you think?
H2O Man
(73,655 posts)with the assertion being made in the OP. I know that it is highly inaccurate. Bernie Sanders will be the best president that region has ever had.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And Im sure theyre tired of being told so.
It's difficult to argue about an unidentified "they."
However, as stated, the people of the region you refer to will vote for Sanders in November. And they will be happy with his presidency. Very happy.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)H2O Man
(73,655 posts)in the south. Safe to say that no one person talks for them. Among those who are registered Democrats, however, I think it is unfair to claim that they aren't going to vote for Bernie in November. I think the vast majority of them have a sense of party loyalty. More, they live in one of the regions that will benefit the most when Bernie is elected.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)ms liberty
(8,615 posts)When you're doing it from your NYC home to promote rancor and division. This Southern woman early voted for Bernie last week here in NC. If he's ignoring the South, why are his ads all over local teevee? Your ugliness is not wanted or appreciated.
Bad Thoughts
(2,537 posts)Remember how some states ... Southern states ... don't really matter?
SamKnause
(13,112 posts)There is something I do find disturbing.
I think you can guess who and what that is.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)him for being in Florida on the night of the Michigan election, Chuck was sure Bernie was about to lose and he was deriding him for being in the South, just as you are now claiming he's ignored the South.
Hillary yesterday claimed the most villainous persons in the history of AIDS were somehow champions of the AIDS era. This crap about claiming she's the big minority candidate is done and over. It did not sell, it can't fly and your candidate demonstrates regularly why that is.
It's not just LGBT that despise Reagan and not just LGBT that were victims of the AIDS negligence and bigotry. Go read up about the HIV rates in the US and try to grasp that your candidate has lost votes from informed people in many communities.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I can't remember where I saw it. But, I clicked it read it, did an OP on it after the steam from my ears cleared the room.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Remind us again who he's writing off?
RALEIGH Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders drew thousands of supporters to a rally in downtown Raleigh on Friday, four days before primary elections in North Carolina and four other states.
At least 1,000 people showed up who couldnt get inside the 2,300-seat Memorial Auditorium, which was full. Sanders emerged on the steps of the venue and addressed the outside crowd before delivering his speech inside.
....
The Vermont senator hit all his campaign notes campaign finance reform, student debt, health care, war, pay equity and the environment among them and emphasized womens and minority issues. He met briefly before his speech with the African-American caucus of the N.C. Democratic Party, and with John Boyd Jr., a Virginia activist and founder of an advocacy group for black farmers. Afterward, Boyd endorsed him.
Caucus official Jaymes Powell Jr. said his group wasnt making an endorsement but liked what Sanders had to say on most issues.
....
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article65465677.html#storylink=cpy
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)And he debated and campaigned in Florida earlier this week.
So how is this "writ(ing) off an entire region of the country" ?
Obviously, it isn't.
Someone's gone a little loopy today.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I'm not convinced NC is in the tank for Hillary, but guess we'll know Tuesday night.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)were beyond semi-open. They were all wide open. Don't think it did him that much good.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)pro-weed folks, Latinos, Moral Mondays supporters fed up with Republican abuses, college students, hippie-dippie Asheville types (I'm being facetious!), hunters...
It is a military state, though, with a lot of wealthy retirees moving to it. Large AA population. Opposed marriage equality something like 61%-39%, so there is that nasty social conservative streak.
I'm just getting the feeling that it's going to be much tighter than the polls suggest. We'll see who's most motivated and gets out and votes.
Jarqui
(10,131 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)senseandsensibility
(17,194 posts)Or improvisational comedy?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)The lengths....oh man the lengths.
Uglystick
(88 posts)with anything anti-Sanders.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'm not kidding maddie.
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)So it's not so much Anti-Sanders as it is Anti-ssssssomething else.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Response to JaneyVee (Original post)
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Number23
(24,544 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Bizzaro world thinking again.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I have a party that has written off the voting membership since the neo-liberal takeover.
I find the corporate takeover of the political process in this country to be deeply disturbing, and the fact that neo-liberal Democrats have been enthusiastic participants to be even more deeply disturbing.
I find the conversation I watched between Sanders and Jesse Jackson at the Chicago Rainbow Push meeting this morning to be enlightening and more representative of Sanders than so many Clinton supporters want to acknowledge.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1482216
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)and only cares about getting votes from African Americans, not the policies that genuinely affect their lives for the better. Of course I'm referring to Hillary Clinton.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Hard for me to believe that you don't see that. So I will guess you do.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Supporters bounce around from one reason to the next as to why Sanders is not a good candidate reminds me of how the bush admin bounced around from one reason to the next to justify the invasion of Iraq.
1st it was WMD
2nd was because of terrorist ties
3rd was to bring democracy
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)So not only are the rest of the country misogynists, but anti-South bigots as well. Vote HRC to prove you're not prejudiced!
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm Southern and I know that the media ignored him here. It's not his fault.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)has written off the entire progressive base of her party.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)would be given a good long break from DU.
You misrepresenting Sanders over and over only speaks to your desperateness as a Clinton supporter. You have nothing to support and nothing to believe in, it seems. I doubt many here believe you or take you seriously.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think he tried to win the south but after months and months or trying to connect it simply didnt work and he has given up.
For sure I agree with your point that we need a candidate that connects with folks in the south.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the Republican Southern Strategy because this primary season could be called Southern Strategy2.0 Clinton's Firewall
Vinca
(50,322 posts)Given his history and his words, the man has been on the receiving end of a boatload of disrespect. If you ignore him, deride him and refuse to vote for him, should he just stick around and let the primary election go by without trying to win in other places? Your loss is another part of the country's gain.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Well not really cuz he's done no such thing, but I do find Team Clinton's race baiting, disgusting fuckery of the highest order.
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Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And that was mainly due to the repetition of the false claim that Bernie was indifferent about race.
Bernie never "only appealed to northern white liberals".
He was always just as outspoken against racism as HRC(and moreso, being more progressive than she is).
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I'm far more disturbed by the mere continued existence of viability of Hillary's candidacy. It's like she's Teflon...she could admit tomorrow at high-noon that she assassinated JFK, eats babies and bathes in the blood of virgins...and her supporters would still rather make excuses for her actions and positions than drop their support of a terrible human being who would make a terrible President. She's a proven liar who is unapologetic about taking money from big banks and big business to support their positions against the interests of the American public and is comparatively-hawkish to Dick Cheney. I don't see how she isn't being run out of the Democratic party, let alone remaining a viable candidate for the nomination.
Her supporters are as incomprehensible in my eyes as Trump's. They're both personality-cults seemingly totally-inured against the failings and disqualifications for office of their respective candidates.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)to hear a candidate heap glutinous praise on Nancy Reagan for her "silent activism" on "starting the conversation on AIDS" when Nancy and Ronnie did nothing but deadpanning that conversation.
And people may not remember this, but back in those days this was very difficult. You see, SILENCE = DEATH back then.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Of this I am sure.
Even if you did not give his candidacy a boost it could have used, he is relentless in his support of regular Americans of all kinds.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seems to me that to always have an outsized, inordinate and early influence on the nominating process may be called many things, but "disenfranchisement" it sure-as-fuck isn't.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No.
Not worried about made up stuff.
More worried about Repug Lite pretending to represent us.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)the Democratic Party to divide the party along racial lines (for the money).