2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary backs Strickland for Senate, with an A+ rating from NRA & voted against assault weapons ban
Hillary Clinton supports Ted Strickland in the Ohio Senate primary.
Strickland has an A+ rating from NRA and voted against the assault weapons ban.
Must not be such an important issue for her after all. Or maybe some hypocrisy.
Im personally delighted to be here with my friend, and your governor, Ted Strickland, she said. Nobody cares more deeply and profoundly about what happens to people. He did a great job as your governor, and he will be an important voice in the Senate.
hattip: https://twitter.com/marisamcnee/status/709195180902064128
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Pass it on!
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)krawhitham
(4,644 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I already (early) voted for the other dude, Sittenfeld.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)We didn't know anything about him until I saw one of his campaign commercials a couple days ago. Further reading tells me he's far more progressive than Ted Strickland, and that's all I need to know. Ohio needs all the progressives it can get.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Team Hillary only complains when the NRA gives you a D-
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Yet she supports one of the most pro-gun Senators who is literally endorsed bu the NRA with an A+ rating.
Makes me suspicious.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)With both feet firmly planted on both banks of that river.
She takes both sides of an argument if there are only 2 sides.
She takes every side if there are more sides of an argument.
So, while she may appear to be serious, I can't take anything she says seriously at all.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Only counts against Bernie, doncha know!
And it must be frustrating as fuck that Bernie's supporters are not one-issue supporters.
Hey, you should have seen the hug Patrick Murphy got, down here in Florida. Switched to Dem in 2012, so he could run against another Republican. Voted/votes with the GOP a lot, voted yes on the Benghazi panel.
Evidently he is Debbie DINO's BFF, and Hillary loves him too.
http://postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2015/10/05/despite-benghazi-vote-hillary-clinton-so-proud-of-patrick-murphy/
But Clinton, known for her long memory of political slights, didnt seem to hold Murphys vote against him. When Murphy attended a fundraiser for Clinton in Fort Lauderdale on Friday, the Democratic presidential front-runner recognized Murphy and told donors she is so proud of him.
Because - he is a perfect specimen of a Third Way DINO. That's what I am supposed to support, to vote for? Nope.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They're really looking for people willing to play ball on certain issues like protecting their own power.
onecaliberal
(32,850 posts)#HistoryByHillary. Pathetic
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I can't think it does a lot for her in the other urbanized Northeast states.
Connecticut loves its gun control. Our governor endorsed her specifically citing her unwillingness to compromise on gun control.
Hmm...guess not.
onecaliberal
(32,850 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)He's a pro-union-busting fiscally-conservative Democrat who just balanced the state budget on the back of state-employee layoffs, cuts to hospital funding, tax-increases across the board (with a middle-class carve-out...the majority of the increases are borne by the poor and the very-wealthy), additional taxes on small businesses and independent contractors, and social service cuts.
He's like the Scott Walker of Democrats.
But yes, he's also a big recipient of corporate donations, going back to his days as the Mayor of Stamford.
onecaliberal
(32,850 posts)I'm sorry for the ignorance about politics on your state.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I like telling people who he is...he has aspirations to higher office and is thought of as some sort of rising star of that wing of the party...it would be a disaster for Democrats if he succeeded in those aspirations.
onecaliberal
(32,850 posts)I still have a difficult time wrapping my head around keeping DWS at the helm. The only explanation is they don't care about who wins the actual election because the outcome is the same for them. Their purpose is protecting the money, and power.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Cheese Sandwich.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Endorsed by the NRA:
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)k/r
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How much of a gun nut do you have to be to get that rating?
Does it come with a monogrammed AR15 ?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He must be a rock solid NRA supporter.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Surely she had a good reason?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Strickland is the former governor and a very close Clinton ally. He supported her vs. Obama in 2008.
The other Senate candidate is younger and a newcomer, and is much more progressive across the whole range of issues.
I voted for the new guy.
http://www.pgsittenfeld.com/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He mentions her name, and has a plan that mirrors hers (supposedly):
First, he will fight to close the various loopholes that now exist in our background check systemnot just the gun show and internet loopholes, but also the so-called "Charleston loophole" that allows purchasers to buy guns with incomplete background checks.
Second, PG believes we must hold gun dealers and manufacturers accountable by revoking the licenses of dealers who have a history of selling to criminals and mandating that manufacturers include child safety locks on handguns to avoid accidental shootings.
Finally, PG believes, as former President Reagan did, that military assault weaponswhich are designed for war-time combathave no place on the streets of our cities. And while he is working to pass legislation that will ban these guns, he will also fight to keep firearms out of the hands of domestic abusers, as well as those with severe mental illness.
The establishment looks after its own, to hell with everyone else.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)He had some good positions on social security on his site as well.
I guess Strickland is going to win though just because as the former governor he has near 100% name ID. And the new guy is not well known at all.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, he had to shoot a hunting friend of his in the face to get that type of rating!!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Yeah, you really have to go out of your way to earn that grade.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
senz
(11,945 posts)so much so that her opponent, Barack Obama, spoke out about it:
Autumn
(45,066 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)and such old school, moderate pablum gork, bleech rot. Can't wait for Black Lives Matter folks to see this and call her (again) on her bs. I LOVED it when Bernie said he did not want Rahm's endorsement. She COULD do the same but won't. Spots on the ole leopard.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Candidate Clinton's energies are largely expended on acquiring wealth. We've had enough of that.
I am, of course, mainly referring to the millions of dollars she has collected for making what must be some "amazing speeches". The fact that she is opening plying "her trade" growing her wealth shows the extent of the large numbers of other politicians are doing the exact same thing, grabbing the money.
It has become a norm in politics everywhere. Americans seem to expect that from politicians.
RandySF
(58,794 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I already voted for Sittenfeld.
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Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Or is Ms. Giffords suddenly OK with these shenanigans, as long as they come with a pair of ovaries? Remember, this comes right on top of Clinton's attendance of an NRA fundraiser!
Does Ms. Giffords still care to discourage or even seek retribution for deals with the NRA?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)She's been vilify ing Bernie for his D+ and gives this shit a pass? SMH...
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)He was the bobblehead behind her in that infamous "shame on you" speech against Obama regarding health care in 2008.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)it is a non-issue.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I can't deal with Clinton's breathtaking hypocrisy.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I'd like to talk for a second about what I am going to term "Paper Democrats"--those candidates running for office as Democrats, may even hold a majority of Democratic positions, but whose differences, where there are differences, from the platform of the party will actually work to prevent us from achieving anything with a small majority and may even be more harmful to the Democratic party than their losses would be. They're Democrats on paper whose actual positions are a great deal more complicated on priority items on the Democratic agenda; they're likely to fold in any close vote and prevent us from achieving the major policy positions that get Democrats elected elsewhere.
This is not a simple issue of run the candidate that can win everywhere. Those losses have ramifications elsewhere in the nation for other Democrats in elections. As an example, I'll talk about my own Congressional representative...my friend, Elizabeth Esty, whose campaign I am donating both time and money to. The most vulnerable Congressional seat here in CT (CT-5) is vulnerable specifically because the Democratic office-holder (Beth Esty) of that seat (which represents Newtown, CT among other CT towns) promised her constituents she would fight for far more comprehensive gun-control nationally. The fact that she failed because of people like Joe Manchin and may continue to fail because of people like Ken Strickland...may cost us what should be a safe Democratic House seat...it's being used by conservative PACs to astroturf and false-flag against her in a state that strongly supports even stronger gun-control nationally than its current strongest-in-the-nation gun-control.
Ideally, I'd like a Congressional majority devoid of Paper Democrats. Minimally, I'd like to not run them anywhere we can win with a more-staunch Democrat. Ohio's Senate seat is one of those places. Strickland is, to me, an unnecessary evil, much like Patrick Murphy running in the primary against Alan Grayson and also endorsed by Clinton, until a few years ago Murphy was a Republican and moved only slightly leftward to gain a nomination--in all but name, he remains Republican.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)I live in Ohio and don't care to see Portman re-elected. I would also like to see the Democrats take the Senate back. I will vote Strickland, if it's o.k. with Sanders and his supporters.
polly7
(20,582 posts)moving back right in preparation. Not taking Sanders or his campaign seriously from the start (except for the odd few days at a time when she's had to try to appear progressive when her polls were tanking badly) could be her undoing. I hope so. Millions of people across the planet will celebrate.