Clinton's Double Standard: OK that Veteran was Brutalized at Her Speech:

[amborin]

Hillary’s Double-Standard on Protests

March 11, 2016

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton is lecturing Donald Trump on the need to respect protesters but – in 2011 – she did nothing to stop police from brutalizing a silent protester at one of her speeches, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Hillary Clinton has excoriated Donald Trump for failing to stop a supporter from roughing up a protester during a speech, saying “This kind of behavior is repugnant. We set the tone for our campaigns — we should encourage respect, not violence.” Yet, in 2011, she did nothing to stop security personnel from brutalizing a 71-year-old veteran who stood silently with his back to her during a speech.

The protester, Ray McGovern, a retired Army officer and CIA analyst, was wearing a black “Veterans for Peace” T-shirt, when he was set upon within sight of Secretary of State Clinton, who ironically was delivering a speech about the importance of foreign leaders respecting dissent. The assault on McGovern left him bruised and bloodied but it didn’t cause Clinton to pause as she coolly continued on, not missing a beat.

Army veteran and ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern, standing in protest of a speech by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Feb. 15, 2011.

The Feb. 15, 2011 incident at George Washington University in Washington prompted an email from Clinton’s personal adviser Sidney Blumenthal who noted that “something bad happened” and suggested that Clinton have someone reach out and apologize to McGovern. Clinton, however, chose not to do so....

Subsequently, McGovern was placed on the State Department’s “Be On the Look-out” or BOLO alert list, instructing police to “USE CAUTION, stop” and question him and also contact the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Command Center.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/11/hillarys-double-standard-on-protests/

[Major Hogwash]

1. I remember when that happened, and almost everyone here was in shock.

Hillary didn't even pause when McGovern was thrown to the ground.

[KansDem]

5. Video...

[UglyGreed]

6. Did not even

blink an eye............

[kristopher]

7. The grin at 33 sec says a lot more than any blink might...

...

[UglyGreed]

8. Yes

like OK get this done so I can continue my speech.... Very similar to the way she dismissed Ashley Williams.

[DebDoo]

12. Exactly!

She smiled, looking right at it happening.

[Unknown Beatle]

45. Yes, she was smiling when Ray McGovern was being roughed up.

That shows that she has no empathy. Almost psychopathic. She laughed when Gaddafi was killed.

[EndElectoral]

10. Tape is ugly. She never stopped her canned speech. "So this is America?"

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

AMY GOODMAN: Ray, we only have a minute, but why were you there? Why did — were you standing up?

RAY McGOVERN: I was standing up in silent witness to the fact that Hillary Clinton is responsible, partly responsible, for countless thousands of Iraqis, Americans, Afghans and, God help us, Iranians — I hope not — and that she should not get the idea that everybody is going to sit down and applaud politely when there are so many of us that are usually excluded from these sessions who are feeling very, very, very sad and very angry at the foreign policy of our government. Very seldom do you have a chance to express that. I thought that I expressed that in a most nonviolent way by simply standing quietly with my back to her with a T-shirt that said "Veterans for Peace."

[JEB]

69. I stand with Ray McGovern. eom

[Kittycat]

17. What a disgusting piece of work.

Nothing to like there with that smirk on her face. Reminds me of another smirking someone who didn't think twice of that kind of behavior. There's a dignified way of dealing with protesters, and there isn't. He was peaceful, and this was about as shitty a way to handle the situation from all ends, as can be.

[Duval]

40. The other "smirk", is exactly what I was thinking.

[passiveporcupine]

47. This protestor didn't need "dealing with"

He was not disturbing the event. He was silent. Why couldn't they just leave him be?

[Kittycat]

50. I agree with you in theory, but

We know how this works. God forbid anyone show a hint of disagreement, even I silent observation. He could have even been asked to step to the aisle, as to not obsteuct the view for others, while still making his objection known. He could have bee kindly removed, or escorted away in a more respectful fashion. But yeah - tackle football while she smirks on is the name of the trump game, she doesn't hold the high ground on this issue.

[rhett o rick]

2. Her supporters like her toughness. Trumps supporters like his toughness. nm

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. Are you suggesting anyone who supports Hillary is really a rightwinger who would support

Trump?

Now again, how many Bernie supporters on this board have said outright they will not vote for Hillary and how many reverse?

My recollection is dozens who wont vote for Hillary, none who wont vote for Bernie.

I can find the thread if necessary, but I would rather you just admit it and answer my question.

[rhett o rick]

29. I appreciate the question although I am surprised that you are confused.

I was in no way at all suggesting that Clinton supporters were right wingers. I do think it's important to note that the Clinton supporters I've spoken to like her because they see her as tough. When I suggest that empathy is more important they generally stare at me. No one has accused Clinton of having too much empathy.

Of course some Sanders supporters have pledged to not vote for Clinton if she wins the primary because they don't think toughness is enough. They want their candidate to follow Democratic Principles and that doesn't include representing Big Money. Now you can try your hardest to explain the benefits of the lesser of evils, but it will fall on deaf ears. We've been blackmail too many times. If you want Trump then vote for Clinton and you will only have yourselves to blame.

Why would Democrats support someone that is beholden to the Big Money?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

32. Deaf ears, yeah, I kinda figured that.

I call that selfish and childish.

If you dont get what you want, no matter the harm to others, you will walk away.

I call that as I see it.

[Fawke Em]

46. Isn't it childish and selfish to vote for the Democratic contender who can't beat the Republicans?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. Dont know, I am voting for Bernie.

[rhett o rick]

63. Ok let's say you are correct, you're not, but let's say you are and these Sanders supporters

are acting childish and "walking away". So what do we do now? Without them we will lose the General to Trump. So a smart person would say, "Let's all support Bernie, and that way we will win the General." So those that say, "No, I'd rather lose the General than support Bernie", are being childish and selfish and are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

What it seems you and Clinton supporters don't understand is that many of Sen Sanders supporters wouldn't even be involved at this point if it wasn't for Sanders and the People's movement. They have come out because they reject the corrupt culture that Clinton represents. They will not be bullied (she is tough) into voting for the lesser of evils.

"If you dont get what you want, no matter the harm to others," I take that personally. I have friends and family that have been severely harmed by the corrupt culture that is the status quo. That's the "harm to others" that we've been dealing with. So no more status quo.

At some point true Democrats have to say "Hell no to the Oligarchy" and fight for our Democracy.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

73. So your bottom line is you or they wouldnt be involved were it not for Bernie, and if he isnt

the candidate, you walk, no matter who it harms.

Yes?

No?

Do you believe it cant get worse than it is now for anybody? You think a GOP White House along with the rest of power wont result in much more harm to many?

If you are a serious person (not you personally, people taking this position) then you cant possibly sit there and tell me you dont see how much harm there is if any GOP candidate wins.

[rhett o rick]

74. You see the same question applies to your side. If it were obvious that Sanders was

the only candidate to be able to defeat the Republicon candidate would you still vote for Clinton knowing the consequences?

There is a problem with trying to blackmail progressives, it won't work. There were those that tried to talk our countries founders out of revolting against the tyranny of the crown. We are faced with the same problem today. The Ruling Class has been draining the resources for 30 years and must be stopped before anymore of us slide into poverty.

I don't want to see the GOP win and that's why it's critical we nominate Sen Sanders.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

75. I am a Bernie Sanders voter. And I dont know any Hillary voters who have said they refuse

to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate.

Is there even one here?

Might be one, but in contrast there are very many in the other camp.

So there is that.

and

I want Bernie to win, but he probably wont if the stats are what they are. I will still vote for him and work for him and want him to win, but he may not, right?

Then what?

[rhett o rick]

76. I don't know what should happen. I don't know what I will do. I took a pledge in 2002 to

never, ever support the &%#@ that betrayed their Party and bowed before Bush. They betrayed us when we needed them the most.

Let me ask you a question. What should we have done in 2000 when the Ruling Class interfered with our election process? Our Party did nothing. Al Gore jumped over the net and gave Bush a big handshake. But we the People did nothing also, and lives were lost and ruined and we lost our democracy. How long do we crawl before the Ruling Class?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. What could we have done? What possible thing could we have done?

If you are proposing a 3rd party option, then count me IN, as John said.

But until that is viable, we work with what we have.

[rhett o rick]

79. I don't know what we should have done. But if we don't do something, it will continue to get worse.

And at some point we will go past the point of no return to democracy. I think this election is the point of no return. If we can't get the Ruling Class to back off, we won't survive another 8 years. The lower classes will be decimated and have even less power. We will be rip for a fascist type leader. Some are ready now.

For the record I don't advocate for a third party because the Democratic Party is ours and if we can't hold on to it, we won't be able to hold on to a third party either.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

80. Good talk, next we can discuss how we cant really have any progress

in our economy until we institute protectionist trade policies like we used to have.

[bvar22]

82. Some things are worth protecting:

*The ability of the American Worker to put food on the table for his/her family

*the sovereignty of the American People (or ANY country) to protect their environment, human rights, UNIONS, and Worker Rights from Secret Tribunals run by the World's richest people.
SEE: NAFTA, Chapter 11 (and from what I've seen, the TPP is even worse)


Nobody advocates for the old style protectionism, but a balanced, rational approach to International Trade that produces a level playing field, and doesn't abandon the American Worker to compete with Slave Labor for their jobs.

[sus453]

37. Jackie, I don't think it makes a

difference how many will or won't vote for Hillary should she win the nomination - we are, each one of us, individuals. I live in a solidly blue state, and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. My conscience says, (to quote a certain presidential candidate) - "Basta". It also says, "Jamas".

[passiveporcupine]

48. You hit it.

[grasswire]

3. stunning

She's cold as ice.

[thereismore]

25. I've said a similar thing before: she is dead inside. nt

[maxsolomon]

38. She's willing to sacrifice our love

I've seen it before, it happens all the time.

[Ken Burch]

65. "...She's willing to sacrifice our love"

Sorry, you threw me into a Foreigner moment.

[Ikonoklast]

71. ...and twice as brittle.

[tk2kewl]

4. I did not know he was BOLOed

[EndElectoral]

9. Jesus, even Blumenthal wanted her to apologize and she wouldn't.

[Wilms]

11. I didn't know that. Good for Sid!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511273845

[farleftlib]

13. He was put on the BOLO list?!!!

After being beaten up and dragged out??!! She's such a loser.

[kath]

14. Wow. Just for him turning his back on her during a speech?!? this really needs to go viral.

[AzDar]

15. K & R &...

[Octafish]

16. Ray McGovern got ''The Treatment'' protesting Hillary speech in 2011

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511404020

[FailureToCommunicate]

18. Ice water...

[zentrum]

19. That's frightening.

[Betty Karlson]

20. Double standard? Hillary? Clinton? No that can't be...

that can't be news anymore.

[Fuddnik]

22. And people can't understand why many people refuse to vote for her.

[turbinetree]

23. That's the first amendment under threat........................peaceful one as that ......

Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Sunlei]

24. I think security hurts people moving them out, but he wasn't punched by a follower or told he will b

or told he will "be killed next time". Like Trumps follower did.

[farleftlib]

31. It's really petty to minimize somebody's pain and suffering

I saw the pix of him after he was "escorted" out, his face was swollen and bruised. He had been beaten. Also, he is a veteran, war-hero and former CIA-analyst who did his best to expose BushCo's lies about WMDs in Iraq. Try and show a little respect.

[Sunlei]

35. You can see "security" handle him roughly and hurt him in the video.

[passiveporcupine]

54. He was an old man. He was peaceful.

They did not have to beat him.

[Sunlei]

55. In my opinion one kick or punch by police or 'security' and they should be fired.

But that never happens.

[Ivan Kaputski]

59. Security = Trump supporters?

[Sunlei]

60. At that event they look like police officers.

[Ivan Kaputski]

61. Only a change to brown shirts is needed.

[SoapBox]

26. Ugh...she is not Presidential material.

No More Clintons Ever!

[DustyJoe]

28. protesting versus disrupting

Obviously it was felt he crossed the line from 'protest' to 'illegal disruption'.
I couldn't see it in the pictures, but maybe he crossed that line.
But I seriously doubt it.

[downeastdaniel]

30. Hillary is so consistent in being an asshole...why do you suppose she's the most disliked?

[Duval]

33. Damn!

I had forgotten about this. UGH! Just UGH!

[pdsimdars]

34. Many on DU reflect Bernie very well . . .

with issue after issue, you never give up trying to persuade others about the character of Clinton and Bernie.

My cynicism is bouyed up by your consistent effort and patience. I've pretty much given up trying to persuade these people, since they don't seem to respond to fact, or video, even video of Hillary contradicting herself. . . nothing seems to mean anything to them.

You guys keep trying, it is a thing of beauty.

[JDPriestly]

36. A lot of Hillary supporters are really nice, kind people. They don't realize what

the woman they are supporting is really like.

I do not know Hillary personally. But I have watched her career.

I don't trust her. She says the right things in many situations, but she can be very vindictive. We don't need that in the White House.

I must say that there is probably no one that agree with 100% on every issue (unless maybe Bernie), and that is true of Obama. But if there is one thing you can say about Obama, it is that he is an exemplary, wonderful person -- patient, kind, loving, just a wonderful example for all Americans.

But Hillary -- I cannot say that of her. And this campaign she has gone overboard with dirty tricks -- innuendo and dishonest slams.

Please vote for Bernie. He is more like Obama but a bit tougher.

Obama is a one-of-a-kind president and human being. We are so lucky as a country that he is our president. And I say that although I often disagree with his appointments and some of his policies. As a human being, he is wonderful!

His children prove it.

[Duval]

41. Beautifully expressed comment. nt

[Land of Enchantment]

39. What a Piece of Work She Is

Her indifference is chilling.

[A Simple Game]

57. Please watch the video again, that's not indifference, that's enjoyment and humor on her face. n/t

[SusanaMontana41]

42. These daily revelations won't affect the Clintonistas, but

they can affect those on the fence in a BIG way. They can be persuaded:

During our caucus, I sat next to an elderly woman — a real sweetheart — who said Hillary was her candidate. But her neighbor and I talked Bernie to her until it was time to pick a side.

She switched.

It wasn't difficult. All we did was tell the truth.

[Uncle Joe]

43. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, amborin.

[SCantiGOP]

44. Can any Sanders supporter

ever put up something that is actually the truth without the hyperbolic misleading bullshit?
Or, did Clinton actually say that it was "OK that a veteran was brutalized" at her speech? Will you stand behind that statement?
Crap like this just destroys any credibility that you might have.

[Fawke Em]

49. She didn't apologize.

How is standing with your back to someone "threatening" to the point that they're roughed up?

Speaking of credibility...

own it.

[SCantiGOP]

56. The OP is a false statement

A lie, whatever you want to call it.

[riversedge]

51. Thank you for our couragous comment. I stopped reading once

I realized the subject and issue. Shameful subject line.

[Ken Burch]

67. She had an obligation to tell the cops to leave him alone.

No one deserves to be manhandled for a peaceful, silent act of protest.

[Ken Burch]

66. Doing nothing to stop the cops manhandling the guy is the same as approving of it.

There was no good reason for her NOT to say "he's doing a silent, nonviolent protest-leave him alone".

I assume you'll agree that Ray McGovern did nothing to deserve that treatment.

[yourpaljoey]

53. Ugly business there. Ray McGovern is a great and gentle man.

[Ivan Kaputski]

58. It figures. No wonder she and Trump are friends.

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. Right wing trash

[amborin]

64. no, it's the truth; "kill the messenger" title of Brock's book? nt

[Enthusiast]

68. Kicked and recommended!

[NCjack]

70. And no one stood up to protest the treatment of that man. I don't recall protestors being

beaten in Obama and in Sanders rallies.

[Bonobo]

72. Brutal. Contrast that with how Obama deals with that.

Hillary is not on our side.

[KoKo]

78. And having the young BLM Activist escorted out at her Donor Fest in Charleston, S.C.

It was disgraceful and that she still keeps lying and the fact checker's can't keep up with it.

[d_legendary1]

81. They can keep up with her

Its just that many refuse to do so since a couple have bought our by the media.