2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Is Performing Stronger Than The Media Is Letting On.
Per Firebrand Left:
http://firebrandleft.com/bernie-sanders-performing-stronger-media-lets/
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Bernie Sanders Isnt As Far Behind As You Think He Is
206. Thats the difference between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders in delegates. Clintons lead is anything but insurmountable, and with most Southern States behind us, its a lead that any quasi-competent analyst will tell you is expected to shrink in the next few weeks
if it isnt overrun entirely, of course.
If you ask anyone in the media, however, theyll present you with a completely different number: 655, a much bigger chunk of the 2,382 delegates needed to win. Thats a far greater gap between Sanders and Clinton, and when you hear that number, your faith in Sanders ability to win fades away faster than your faith in humanity while seeing whats happening at Trump rallies.
Theres just one problem with that second number: Its total bullst.
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The Media Has Picked Their Favorite Horses
Some of you might be wondering why the media is painting a totally different picture from reality. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are in a virtual dead-heat, with Clintons lead being minuscule at best. The primary has only barely just begun, too. So why are so many media outlets reporting otherwise?
There are many theories circulating the web, but I like to think mine makes the most sense: those media outlets have spent the past several years telling us Clinton was a shoe-in for 2016, and they dont want to be proven wrong. Clinton is also a controversy-magnet; a Hillary Clinton presidency would surely generate some great breaking news headlines over the next four to eight years, as she leapfrogs from one scandal (invented by the right-wing or otherwise) to the next, as she always has.
CNN has been the worst of the lot. Their coverage of the 2016 democratic primary has been anything but objective: they clearly have a bias for Clinton, to the point where some have taken up calling them the Clinton News Network. Time Warner, the corporation that owns CNN, has gone so far as to make sizable contributions to Clintons campaign, so they arent even trying to hide their affections, either.
The whole article at the link.
merrily
(45,251 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)There's been so much negative talk about how badly Bernie is doing that I knew this really mattered.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Revolution took 8 years--and they were using live ammo. If they had fallen apart with every denial from King George, with every lost battle, we'd still be singing God Save the Queen instead of our own impossible to sing anthem. Well, okay, maybe we didn't win the musical battle.
Point is, steady as she goes.
A couple of reminders:
Sanders has already won: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778005
Sea changes in US politics, thanks to Senator Sanders and his supporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109865
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Voting is not enough sometimes, because with no paper record, proprietary software based touch screen voting machines make it impossible to audit elections.
Illary is hiding a lot. Neoliberalism is kind of like a global cult, whose goals is to turn back the changes in the latter part of the 20th century. They have a 20 year lead on democracy.
Its a really scary thing, its trying to tear out moral values and human rights and replace them with corporate rights, when Hilllary speaks about ending discrimination, she means discrimination against foreign corporations, not people.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)Bernie in a general election would beat anybody by a good margin, but that victory would be difficult to translate into reality because he would first of all have to win the nomination, which would be very difficult. The unknown factor would be the voter suppression and the voting machines, which in a battle between Repubs and Dems, are systematically, routinely defaulted toward the Repubs by a certain percentage, which varies depending on the particular race. The exit polls are even tilted now because of this constant built-in Repub tilt in the general elections. Huge numbers distrust the machines but NOBODY is able to do anything about it. Here in Wichita Kansas e.g., an outlier in national politics, once Beth Clarkson, a statistician at Wichita State began her crusade to verify the vote or double-check it (which should be a right of the voter anywhere), large numbers showed up at Bernie meetings to hear her and cheer her on. Of course the judicial system in KS is stacked with Republicans but even Repubs have brains and are on occasion capable of using them. Many people are aware of this. MANY.
And the second big obstacle is the media and the neo-libs and the moneyed class, which have stacked the deck and made it almost impossible for change to take place. They will not give up control easily, and the hardest stage I felt would be the primary process leading to the nomination of the Dem candidate.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)don't you wonder why?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)with Hillary the "front runner." The inevitability of her candidacy. The Chosen One.
I think people got sick of all that pre-selection and promotion by the Corporate media.
When Sanders entered, so many of us were more than ready to jump ship for a much more attractive alternative.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)I am sure they are counting on lesser evilism to save the day for Hillary.
Sanders would make the better President, but they know that and don't care. She has to win to prevent the secrets of how the country's been taken for a fool - too soon. From coming out too soon.
Sanders is being way too nice to Hillary. He's not asking the questions on what exactly was her goal and the medias goal in hiding GATS and hiding TiSA from the nation? What does it accomplish to force Americans into a race to the bottom with foreign firms on wages?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I was such an idiot to support her even as I started realizing the whole health care situation was a sham.
No more Lesser evilism.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)the Dems chances in the general election. Any good member of a political party would do the same.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)sometime in 2008 Public Citizen published a paper about the three main candidates positions on healthcare and climate were doomed by WTO trade deals and for them to do anything along the lines of what they were proposing would require WTO modifications in advance which would become more and more costly due to invisible locking mechanism, a so called 'ratchet' standstill and rollback..
When i read it I just had a feeling that it described a much bigger problem than what one would think from the absence of media coverage on the issues. I think that time has proved that that theory was correct.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)changed up her game plan since 2008 (at least switched up the timing or order or something), so its getting a bit boring. At least Bernie livens it up!
http://giphy.com/gifs/3o7abkti7UphSopcl2
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)mucifer
(23,553 posts)The news has lots of Bernie on it lately and they are stating from a polling perspective it is a tie. They are also saying they think between the demonstration at the trump rally and the rahm endorsement, Bernie is picking up steam!
Also, his adds are all over the place on tv and radio in Chicago. Something I would have never thought would happen when months ago I heard he was running.
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agracie
(950 posts)lob1
(3,820 posts)Now they just shove it in your face.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)-snip-
'If Bernie Sanders does win this primary, hell have overcome more obstacles than any other primary victor in living memory. That hes held his own and continues to challenge Clinton at every turn, despite having the full might of the Democratic Party and the mainstream media throwing down every roadblock they can muster, has already assured his 2016 campaign a place in election history, for sure. And if he loses, his own campaign will be the last place anyone will look for a source of blame.'
I have watched a lot of football games, even got to see Joe Willie Namath play at the U of A as a kid. My father used to say it is virtually impossible to beat both the other team and the referees and from this article it seems Bernie not only has beat both of them but also play on an uphill grade of about 40 degrees.
Keep the Faith.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)but I do get the analogy
Does seem like Bernie's done a fast break of some kind. With a little assist from friends.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Thank you for posting this Peggy!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The news corporations are giving Hillary free time, and MSNBC has told all of their late night hosts, "Choose: Hillary or your job"!!
It's just too obvious.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)If I were them I would start their own site..
Segami
(14,923 posts)Thanks for posting this CaliforniaPeggy............
agracie
(950 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, CaliforniaPeggy.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Has finally blown the lid off this obvious lie. For the last 25 years or so, we were bombarded with the lie that anyone left of moderate is unelectable. Sanders has helped to show that is blatantly wrong -- to the point where Clinton has been forced to campaign left rather than stay in her moderate comfort zone.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Love, Betty.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Oh my.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Vinca
(50,279 posts)he has some interesting internal polling. Whether Clinton people want to admit it or not, he's already had a massive impact on this race. The SNL skit the other night illustrated it perfectly. Hillary has gone left and not just a little left. The big question is whether she'll remain there or, if the nominee, nose dive back to the right for Republican votes.
arikara
(5,562 posts)so fast your head will spin. And if that happens I see her being a one term president just as she was a one term senator and a one term SOS.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)what she said and move to the right
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Candidates that help the bottom line through tax breaks, deregulation and too-big-to-prosecute policing are going to be rewarded through advocacy and inside information.
Those who say that corporations and the rich will be made accountable get no attention other than to say they are not viable, communistic, or unhinged.
Thank you for the heads up on Firebrand Left. Thanks also for your kindness since you joined DU.
Harriety
(298 posts)when Barack Obama was elected President over the obvious front runner in the last presidential election. Even Carl Rove had a hissy over the fact that the media a made Romney a shoe in. He sure had a WTF moment then. Well, the MSM can have a WTF moment in this election as well when Bernie become President.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and is nothing more than a right-wing propaganda machine. So, of course, they will do everything they can to destroy Sanders as a presidential candidate.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Today should be very interesting!!!
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Funny, I just checked in at Facebook and some of my least (read: completely not interested) political friends are posting pro-Bernie stuff, which is really fascinating to me. If he can get through to these people, something *IS* happening!
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jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Is a greater lead than Obama had over Hillary Clinton at any point in the 2008 primaries.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Beware, Hillary Clinton. Beware the Ides of March!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Great post!
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Thanks for the upbeat outlooks...its tough at times when all you hear is the negative like some sort of weird tribal rain dance night after night!
I proudly cast my vote for Bernie this morning in Missouri. I was somewhat shocked that the Democratic primary ballot had something like 9 candidates in Missouri and the presidential primary was the lone issue on the ballot, something that is odd because I cannot recall another primary election that was totally devoid of local issues or judges or candidates or anything else!
I am hoping to watch the returns tonight and see some Michigan-style "upsets" that run counter to the conventional wisdom and the media expectations of a Clinton coronation. My hope is that Bernie stays alive all the way through the primaries and puts a serious dent in the DLC/Third Way slant of the party to the "center-right" ground the Clinton and their lackeys are so comfortable in.
Onward to victory!
Feel the Bern!!!!!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)fuck them
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Nothing like the prospect of a raving lunatic in the White House to convince people to embrace an unabashed corporatist instead.
But they miscalculated badly.
The corporate media is geared up and ready to make the case against Drumpf, but they never imagined that Bernie would be the alternative.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's the results minus the superdelegates.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gTkqsr5OIOTRNM_vd_chGoN00SPX1PEWN-p6UdpWJ6k/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0
BTW: Some of those superdelegates signed on to her before Bernie even announced. They should NOT be considered to be a lock for her.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)Flying Shoe
(23 posts)Although the bias towards Hillary is certainly real, I think that Trump is the real ratings and headline magnet. He gets all the coverage because of this, but the powers don't like backing a wild card. Hillary is there safe bet, and thus she gets the positive media coverage.