#Which DailyKos? #Which Markos?

[John Poet]

Hillary Clinton:

..."doesn't deserve fairness on this site" because she "fails the test of the guiding principles of this site"...

..."may be the establishment's choice, but real power in the party has shifted"...

"The last thing we need in the White House is another out-of-touch, tone-deaf Bush-style presidency, unable or unwilling to admit mistakes and change course as a result."

"Clinton's campaign is counting on low-information Democratic voters selecting Clinton based on little more than name ID."

"Does she think her audience is that stupid? Apparently so."

~ Markos Moulitsas, Spring 2008 ~


The irony is thick over at DailyKos.
KOS was against her, before he was for her.
IMHO, he's now PART OF the establishment, whose gates he "stormed" in 2004.
Now he has more in common with the one percent, than with working people. ~J.Poet


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[Betty Karlson]

1. Is he still going through with his "Ministry of All Praise All Day Long"?

Well, that's the end of Daily Kos then.

Clinton will be dragging a lot of hitherto respected names down in her fall. Her own daughter, Steinem, Albright, Lewis, Dean, Kos, HRC, Planned Parenthood...

Even the Onion...

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I can hardly blame Obama for shying away from endorsing her.

[John Poet]

2. As far as I know, it still is.

It was all dependent on today's contests, but it presumed runaway Hillary victories at the time he originally posted it...

I don't really frequent the place anymore, but these quotes were killer. LOL

[Betty Karlson]

3. Oh so what will he do when Sanders ends up winning most of today's states?

"Important Men" don't like to admit they have egg on their face.

(Nate Silver couldn't even bring himself to admit his mistakes; he had an acolyte write and post the oopsie-message.)

[Tortmaster]

10. "The end of daily kos"?

I've heard that almost as much as I've heard it is the end of the Republican Party. Or the end of Drumpf.

The math is the math. Eventually you have to accept it. If Secretary Clinton manages a 300+ pledged delegate margin on top of the current 441+ margin in unpledged delegates, it is over. She currently sports a 1.6 million vote margin in the popular vote. That will go up. You can ignore a fact all you want. The fact doesn't care; it will wend its way around your universe shaping your reality because that is what a fact does.

[delrem]

11. Yah that's what I tell the survivors in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras, Yemen,...

The refugees, esp. the ones who lost their whole families, whole cities like Fallujah. I tell them that they might not like it but it's a fact. They can try to ignore it all they want but the fact doesn't give a damn. It'll wend its way around their universe shaping their reality because that's what a fact does. Then I laugh and tell them how happy I am, that I've got mine, and I can crow about it daily on sites like DU. It's fun.

[Tortmaster]

15. What do you tell ...

... the 15+ million wounded or dead from guns in America since Bernie Sanders went on his NRA voting spree in 1990? He's voted against gun control more than 15 times. Are you going to tell the victims--like Bernie did--that urban America just has to understand rural America on guns?

[delrem]

19. Ridiculous.

[Lucinda]

4. No, he's just an adult, who realizes that sometimes our candidate doesn't prevail

and that keeping the POTUS in Dem hands is extremely important.

He's made it clear that the results today will determine the focus of DK from this point forward. Should Bernie do better than expected, then there will be no change, but otherwise, he expects his forum to rally around Clinton. His playground, his rules.

[John Poet]

5. His 'playground'.

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So much for 'adult'.

You'd think anyone whose family fled from a right-wing government in Central America would be less tone-deaf about playing the dictator, but it seems to me he's forgotten from whence he came-- especially to back the candidate (Hillary) who helped a new right-wing government take root in Honduras which is now murdering its own people.

[Enthusiast]

6. I will no longer support people that have no principles.

[Tortmaster]

9. "I will not ...

... campaign for, vote for or support any candidate, even in my own party, who does not support common-sense gun reform.”

--President Barack Obama

[delrem]

12. In April 2007, Mrs. Clinton looked to contrast herself from then-Sen. Barack Obama,

In April 2007, Mrs. Clinton looked to contrast herself from then-Sen. Barack Obama, who was caught saying some people in small towns in Pennsylvania “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them … as a way to explain their frustrations.”

“I disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration,” Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Indiana, according to news reports at the time. “You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl.

“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter,” Mrs. Clinton said.

Mrs. Clinton cast Mr. Obama’s comments as “elitist” and “out of touch.”

“They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know — not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York,” she said.

Mr. Obama responded in kind, chastising Mrs. Clinton for “talking like she’s Annie Oakley” and acting as if “she’s out in the duck blind every Sunday.”

[Lizzie Poppet]

17. Then he'd be just fine with Bernie.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[azurnoir]

7. Eventially everything becomes establishment and aboveground

that is the price of success, the question becomes how that success is handled

[Tortmaster]

8. Your story has no nuance. No context.

Everything is not black and white. For example, I was a supporter of President Obama in 2007-2008. I had followed him from when I lived in Illinois, and as he fought for the Illinois Senate seat, I knew he would be President one day. I was angry at Senator Clinton for being in his way!

But, then she won me over.

It was her tremendous work in uniting the party in 2008 after she lost a really tough campaign, and the work of her husband, Arkansas Guy, what's his name--it escapes me now--was thrilling. Then, she took the position at State and did an excellent job. She is by far the most qualified for the presidency and in the best position to win, with coattails, come November.

[delrem]

13. You were for Obama, now you're for Hillary Clinton. Now that's nuance! /nt

[Tortmaster]

16. There's a bunch of us.

Senator Sanders shouldn't have spent so much time running away from President Obama.

[delrem]

18. Wow, that's even more nuanced! Please post more.

[tk2kewl]

14. I hope Kos is overrun with kami-Kos-ies