Bill Clinton invading polling places AGAIN!--OHIO & ILLINOIS!

[pinebox]

This is illegal!


You'd have though he learned last time but honestly, it seems he hasn't.
This needs to be taken care of NOW.

[Agschmid]

1. Seems like it's not illegal.

No charges have been filed in Mass.

[magical thyme]

56. It's illegal in Mass, but the Clintons are above the law. So for them it's ok.

So what if voters had to wait a few hours -- or return to work and be denied their right -- to vote.

[6chars]

79. So if Hillary wins Ohio and Illinois, is it Bill's doing?

[daleanime]

93. Would that change whether it was right or wrong?

[riversedge]

151. No one said it was illegal.

[earthside]

80. Well, it is certainly inconsiderate and rude.

If it isn't illegal, it ought to be.

If he isn't in a polling place to vote, or part of election polling place staff, then it is campaigning where people are voting.

This makes me mad -- I don't care if he is a former President of the United States, it is wrong and rather arrogant of him.

[loyalsister]

138. Even if he doesn't violate the letter of the law

He is in violation of the intent and the democratic and ethical principles laws which regulate campaign activities are designed to protect (accessible polls without campaign pressure on site).
Holding him strictly to the letter of the law is an insult to anyone who has had their right to vote questioned or challenged.

[gordyfl]

122. I Read That If You Violate That Law, (in the town in MA)....

it's a $20 fine. Bill can afford that.

[Agschmid]

134. He can afford that, but he won't have to.

There was no charge, there was no fine.

[ellennelle]

126. no, but i filed a formal complaint with the MA AG

where it asked for financial compensation, i put in $27.



the behavior of these people is obscene!

[ellennelle]

135. yeah, they were told to stop

and so bill pulled out a bullhorn.

this is ridiculous.

IT IS ILLEGAL!!

Two or more small flags of the United States approximately fifteen inches in length along the top, which shall be placed at a distance of one hundred feet from the polling place on the thoroughfares or walkways leading to the polling place, to mark the distance within which persons other than election officials, observers, police officers, and electors waiting to mark, marking, or casting their ballots shall not loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning. Where small flags cannot reasonably be placed one hundred feet from the polling place, the presiding election judge shall place the flags as near to one hundred feet from the entrance to the polling place as is physically possible. Police officers and all election officials shall see that this prohibition against loitering and congregating is enforced. (Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 3501.30(A)(4))

but more importantly, these laws exist for a reason, which is to protect voters from being approached in any way by anyone trying to sway their votes!!

yet again, as is the clinton way, they waltz right up to the edge of the law and have their way with it.

not ethical, not honorable, and not acceptable.

[desmiller]

2. Report it to the Sanders Campaign

[thereismore]

3. Oh FFS Bill! He did learn from MA! Why change the winning formula? Jeez, to think I liked the guy!

[riversedge]

4. It is not illegal and you look silly saying so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I urge Bill Clintin to try this in California

where the rules are such that EVEN MEDIA stays beyond 150 feet from polling places. In fact, I hope to be able to catch this with a zoom lens... should be fun... since yes, IT IS FUCKING ILEGAL.

[Agschmid]

14. But it's not...

Could you let me know where Clinton was charged in Mass and what he was charged with?

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Try to keep up

Massachusetts, California. I am urging him to try this shit in a state I KNOW FOR A FACT THIS IS NOT LEGAL.

I doubt any DA will charge, since we are talking of Bill Clinton, but that does not mean it is legal. Just because you get away with running a red light, does not mean it is legal... you understand now?

[Agschmid]

21. Please skip the personal insult, it does nothing for your argument.

And again it wasn't illegal in Mass. The AG pretty much made that clear.

[Kentonio]

22. It was illegal in Mass.

They simply chose not to enforce the law.

[riversedge]

24. Says who?? show your proof.

[Agschmid]

25. That's not accurate.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/04/bill-clinton-massachusetts-election-law/

[Kentonio]

66. Maybe you should have read your own link.

Massachusetts election law prohibits any person from distributing “campaign material intended to influence the vote of a voter in the ongoing election” within 150 of a polling location. In addition, “no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election,” the law reads.

[Agschmid]

73. I did read my link. And the state says it wasn't illegal.

[Kentonio]

108. As I originally said, it was illegal and they chose not to enforce the law.

The law specifically prohibits soliciting votes. Are you honestly trying to tell me he was not there with the intention of trying to solicit votes?

[Agschmid]

115. We disagree here.

That's it, except I have the Mass. AG on record as agreeing with me.

[unapatriciated]

157. maybe it is not but it sure isn't right and tells me that he has little or no integrity .

There is no other reason for him to be at the polls other than disrupt or sway votes.

I wonder if you will support this type of behavior from the repug candidate in November, because they are taking notes.

[Kentonio]

163. There's only one potential item to disagree on

Either he was there to solicit votes or he wasn't. Are you saying he wasn't?

[Agschmid]

164. His actions were not illegal in Mass.

It is what it is.

[Kentonio]

170. I showed you the law. If he was there to solicit votes, he was breaking the law.

If you don't think that's what he was doing, then why not just say so?

[Agschmid]

171. I showed you what the AG said.

No illegal activities happened.

[Kentonio]

172. The AG can say anything he pleases.

Just like you can choose to believe anything you choose. The law is extremely clear however, soliciting votes in the defined area is illegal. Either he solicited votes or he had another reason for being there. There's no other option.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Again, I said, CALIFORNIA

do you really have that much of a problem understanding what was posted? IN CALIFORNIA THIS IS NOT LEGAL. IT IS A MISDEMEANOR, WHICH IS WHY I COMPARED IT TO A RUNNING A RED LIGHT. AND YES HE WILL GET AWAY WITH IT. CHARGING A VERY WELL CONNECTED PERSON IS NOT WORTH THE HASSLE, UNLESS THE DA SEES IT AT A POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

Partisans!

[angrychair]

36. No, the AG decided it was politically expedient

To avoid the media clusterf*ck filing charges against a former president would become. It was just easier to say "nothing to see here".
I am a trained Democratic Party poll observer. I did it twice, 2008 and 2012 in VA. I can tell you that in VA what he is doing is illegal. I assume, for states that have these types of laws, they are not very different.

I seriously doubt that if tRump or even worse that evil Sanders were doing this, you would say that it's "ok". You HRC supporters would be coming unglued.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I know this is illega in CA

due to privacy issues we had a heck of a time getting a file picture of a ballot going into the ballot box... so when people post these things I just laugh.

DAs have a balance regarding whether to charge or not, and it is a cost benefit analysis. This is a misdemeanor. I doubt somebody like Clinton, (assuming he actually drove), would be given a ticket for running a red light either. Just the hassle of having him attend traffic court...

[Agschmid]

75. Dream on.

Find a post where I've ever indicated Sanders is "evil" and stop just making crap up.

[angrychair]

117. Redirect from the point

Of our conversation. The only reason I pointed out tRump or Sanders was to make the point about double standards. Interesting though, that the Clintons are the only candidates actually entering polling stations to "talk" with voters. Seriously, you're a smart person, I've read some of your posts. May not agree all the time but your not stupid. You don't think it is, at the very least, ethically ambiguous and a little desperate looking to go into or stand right outside a polling station to "talk" to voters?

[Agschmid]

119. No it's not a "redirect" you brought it up.

You made it about me, next time don't.

"At least your not stupid"...

And you expect anyone to have a rational conversation? It's not going happen.

[angrychair]

145. First, I read Clinton group posts

We all do, it pops up on the main page all the time. You and your ilk have condensed him and his policies down to him being a tone-deaf racist and misogynist (aka berniebros) that lives in a fantasy world of unicorns farting rainbows. Don't see you attempting to correct the record. Rarely see anyone on the HRC side make any effort to control the nasty commentary.
Me, on the other hand, just within the last couple of days I asked someone not to use the term "Shillary" and they changed their post. If I see things like that I ask them to change it. I may have sharp criticism of her record (as a rule I try to stay within the last 10-15 years) and current policies but I try to keep it limited to that and not make it about her personally.

Plus, you are taking what I said the wrong way. I was making the point your not stupid. I was trying not to insult you.

[Agschmid]

148. ...

[Divernan]

92. Damned illegal in Pennsylvania, as well.

I'd love to see him try this shit in my polling place. As the Judge of Elections, I'd order him and his Secret Service contingent and his staffers and the press out of the door and 10 feet away from the entrance. If they did not comply, I'd take his elbow to guide him out, and see if the Secret Service wants to take down a 74 year old woman in front of the press.

The arrogance and entitlement of the Royal Clintons knows absolutely no limits.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. I'd pay to watch that and yes my camera would be rolling

[classykaren]

118. Even illegal in Florida

[brooklynite]

114. Since you KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL...

...how many feet away was President Clinton from the Polling Place? How many voters have been prevented from voting? Since you KNOW FOR A FACT THIS IS NOT LEGAL, please share the details.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. Well the state requires 150 feet

that is quite simple and easy. If he was INSIDE the polling station that is not 150 feet from it. In California he could be charged (won't) with a misdemeanor.

By the way, this is not about Bill, by the way, certain people get away with a lot more due to political and social connections. This is called impunity before the law, and it is a symptom of corruption. And if this was Sanders you would be screaming to high heaven.

[brooklynite]

123. You apparently didn't watch the video where he was standing outside...

...but I guess you didn't need to since you KNEW IT WAS NOT LEGAL.

...and you KNOW I'D SCREAM TO HIGH HEAVEN if Sanders did this? My, do you do know a lot. (nb - if Sanders did this, I don't think anyone would complain at all. The only aspect of Sanders' campaign that's been a matter of controversy was that whole "accessing the Clinton database" thing.)

[nadinbrzezinski]

132. You mean the video of him inside a polling station last election?

you mean that video, where it was also ilegal, but I am not surprised the DA refused to charge.

Look. you are fine with this since you like the Cintons. I don't because of what it tells me about the direction of the country and has squat to do with an election. You like corruption, I do not.

For the record, if he ran a red light, I do not expect him to be charged either... for that matter I do not expect well connected people to be charged. You are ok, I am not. This is a symptom of corruption and impunity that I have seen in places like Mexico. La corrupcion somos todos... you go enjoy that state of affairs, we are all the source of corruption.

And you are ok as long as in the short term it benefits your candidate. I am looking at this in the long view, which you lack

And I will repeat, if this was Sanders, you would be screaming. The difference is that I would be joining you. See how that works?

[brooklynite]

136. The one in Massachusetts? That wasn't illegal either?

NewsCenter 5 reached out to Brian McNiff, spokesman for Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin, for an answer.

"No one was prevented from voting," McNiff said about the New Bedford event. "The city and voters were notified well in advance of the event."

Additionally, Galvin is quoted by the New York Times as explaining that poll workers were warned in advance of Clinton's arrival. He told the newspaper that they took the extra precaution because, "You don't usually get a president doing this."

McNiff also clarified that Clinton broke no laws during his visits to the interior of polling places because he was not handing out any flyers or voting materials for Hillary Clinton. He was seen shaking hands with workers in West Roxbury, but not handing out information.

http://www.wcvb.com/politics/state-explains-why-bill-clintons-polling-place-visits-were-legal/38282842

nb - the Commonwealth Secretary is a Republican, so let's not claim he's "in the tank" for Clinton...

[nadinbrzezinski]

140. Yes, yes it was

the DA refused to charge. They refused to charge becuase it is a misdemeanor, and it is a pain to charge the well connected.

As I said, he won't be charged for running a red light either. It is for the same exact reason and the fine is about the same.

Hell, to bring Trump into the picture, He is not being charged for incitement and it is for the same reason... it is a pain to charge the well connected.

BIG PICTURE... try to get it.

[brooklynite]

142. I have the Commonwealth Secretary's assertion that no violation occurred...

I have an anonymous blogger's assertion that a violation did occur...

Who to believe...

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. I have the knownedlge of how this works too

we call it corruption, When you READ THE FUCKING LAW AND STAFF WAS CALLED AND REMINDED OF THE LAW, SOMETHING WAS BEING DONE THAT WAS NOT KOSHER.

Look, I can recognize corruption and impunity. I grew with it. This is a standard statement when protecting the powerful, "no violation happened" even when one did."

I see this as a BIG PICTURE ITEM AS CORRUPTION IS GROWING IN THE UNITED STATES... AND CURRENT TRENDS THE JNITED STATES WILL MATCH MEXICO IN THOSE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS BEFORE THE NEXT DECADE IS DONE. That is the big picture.

And you know what, I have the words of a fucking blogger on DU telling me that they talked with whoever, becuase you attend salons and you are well connected. To be brutally honest, you are part of the social class that will benefit from this new state of affairs.

Oh and I have the word of NC law enforcement that there are no charges against Mr. Trump, even though the incitement to violence is clear as day. See how that works? Don't expect you.

[brooklynite]

146. But you have more than my word...

...I don't hide my identity, so feel free to check my FEC filings.

You do however, have my word that I started out as a Ward Committeeman in Philadelphia, so I also know what the rules on electioneering are, and I have the experience of dealing with politicians to know that they understand what the rules are and how to work with them.

I also have enough intelligence to know that VISITING ONE POLLING PLACE isn't going to affect the outcome of a Statewide race, and that people wouldn't incensed about this if it didn't allow them to reinforce their existing hostility towards one of the candidates.

[nadinbrzezinski]

147. Cute

have a wonderful day defending impunity and corruption. And if this was Sanders I would be joining you. Core principles, try it sometime.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

81. If he does it in California, who's going to stop him?

He has his own (well, Secret Service's) private army.

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. Well I know this will be run by many media

it is like when we had a hotel collapse during the recent floods. It was minor damage, but 2 battalion chiefs responded with a two alarm. (As well as every media outlet in town), We all ran it... and we were not precisely kind. The FD had actual real emergencies. The PIO was highly irritated and so were we. So we all ran it, kind of an embarrassment story.

To tell the truth, it was a non story

[jfern]

173. Rules are for the little people

[bkkyosemite]

8. Oh and Bill doesn't look silly in a polling place on OH.

[pinebox]

10. It is illegal and you look silly not knowing the law.

Just as it is in MA
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/2/1494728/-Bill-Clinton-Law-Breaking-at-Polling-Station-Beyond-Doubt-Video-Shows-Loudspeaker-Campaigning?_=2016-03-02T18:15:54-08:00

Ohio Two or more small flags of the United States approximately fifteen inches in length along the top, which shall be placed at a distance of one hundred feet from the polling place on the thoroughfares or walkways leading to the polling place, to mark the distance within which persons other than election officials, observers, police officers, and electors waiting to mark, marking, or casting their ballots shall not loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning. Where small flags cannot reasonably be placed one hundred feet
from the polling place, the presiding election judge shall place the flags as near to one hundred feet from the entrance to the polling place as is physically possible. Police officers and all election officials shall see that this prohibition against loitering and congregating is enforced. (Ohio Rev. Code Ann. § 3501.30(A)(4))
During an election and the counting of the ballots, no person shall do any of the following: (1) loiter, congregate, or engage in any kind of election campaigning within the area between the polling place and the small flags of the United States placed on the thoroughfares and walkways leading to the polling place, and if the line of electors waiting to vote extends beyond those small flags, within ten feet of any elector in that line…(5) solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any elector in casting the elector’s vote. (Ohio Rev. Code Ann. §
3501.35)
https://www.supportthevoter.gov/files/2013/12/state-laws-polling-place-electioneering-102912.pdf

[senz]

33. Laws should be for EVERYONE! We don't have royalty in this country.

[pinebox]

35. Precisely

[renate]

34. god, he's obnoxious

It's against the rules and he damn well knows it. But laws are for the little people.

He's SO ICKY.

[senz]

39. I know!

No respect for law. Not even for the sanctity of the voting process.

[LonePirate]

137. Is there proof he was behind the flags, assuming they were erected?

Is there proof he was doing more than simply observing as allowed by OH law? Or has DU simply imposed another of its guilty until proven innocent moments of faux outrage?

[pinebox]

150. He was INSIDE the building as shown on TV

[LonePirate]

155. That is not against the law. Observers are allowed per the law posted in this thread.

I ask again, was he actively politicking and promoting his wife? Unless he was, this is another of the rampant guilty until proven innocent moments that have infested DU this primary season.

[pinebox]

156. It is illegal

as already posted in this thread. Politicking and electioneering can not be done inside polling places.
Is he registered to vote in said states? No? Then he has no business being there at all. Zero.
Get a grip, why else would someone show up at a polling place who isn't registered to vote? To hang out and have a donut and walk people's dogs?

Again, this is illegal what he did.

[LonePirate]

159. Observing is not illegal and is permitted by the law.

If you think it is so obvious he was politicking, then prove it. Shouldn't be too difficult if you feel as strongly as you do. Or does the rule of law mean nothing to you?

[RiverLover]

11. Its illegal in Ohio.

150 yards from the building.

[pkdu]

59. I'd say you do , for that file path that has your name in it. nt

[Plucketeer]

98. So it's not illegal.

That makes it OK to disrupt the work of a polling station so you have a shot of sleeping in the White House again? Bill Clinton - professional SCUMBAG.

[Land of Enchantment]

5. Hey! Didn't you know

all those laws were written for us icky 99%ers? Bullhorn Bill, gasbag.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

7. Rules are for thee; not me. Clinton Rule #1.

nt

[NCTraveler]

9. Go Big Dog!!!

I love building excitement for democrats.

[jberryhill]

16. One might think that people AT a polling place are sufficiently excited to have turned out to vote

[NCTraveler]

23. Not necessarily.

This will be a great memory for them.

As Ken Burch appropriately pointed out this morning, the Democratic Party is the party for progressive change. And there is no democrat as recognizable as the Big Dog.

[greymouse]

97. A great memory?

deliberately preventing people from voting? And don't say he doesn't know it after Massachusetts.

This just makes me despise all the Clintons more. Their corruption stinks.

[NCTraveler]

99. They aren't preventing anyone from voting.

Wish they would have shown up at my polling place.

[Gene Debs]

100. You talk about progressive change and Bill Clinton like they have anything to do with each other.

[NCTraveler]

104. The Democratic Party is the vehicle for progressive change.

I like people building enthusiasm for the party.

[Gene Debs]

121. The Democratic Party hasn't been a vehicle for progressive change in thirty years, at least. If

progressive change is coming from anywhere, it's crashing the Party from outside. Progressive change is going to have to be shoved down the throats of the DNC and the Party leadership by outsiders and new voters. Progressives are finally starting the push to reclaim the Democratic Party from the Clintons and the Wasserman Schultzes and bring it back to the FDRs and the New Dealers.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

107. This sentiment makes me feel ill.

That you would endorse illegal activity. Before this whole primary fiasco started, I'd developed a good feeling about you, and enjoyed your posts. It's too bad (I will admit my involvement too) that we have had so much division and nastiness. I will be very happy when we finally get a nominee - no matter who it is! Everyone should pull the STRAIGHT TICKET lever. (when's the last time you can remember pulling a lever).

But, NCT, I still want to come together as democrats after this is over. No (permanent) hard feeling, OK?

[senz]

19. If that's the case, then you must adore

Donald Trump. He's pretty nice to Hill, for some reason, but he's calling out Bernie and Bernie supporters. So far, he hasn't invaded our polling places, but maybe Bill's disrespectful behavior will inspire him?

[NCTraveler]

32. If that's the case, you must adore...

Do you ever get tired of making such assumptions?

[LondonReign2]

61. Ethics are for other people, amiright?

[NCTraveler]

62. I'm sure you are always right.

Love generating enthusiasm in the party!!!

[LondonReign2]

63. Do you also love our party engaging in illegal activities, as long as it is for the benefit

of the correct candidate?

[NCTraveler]

65. No. I was happy to see Uretsky fired even if the damage had been done.

Still waiting to see the correspondence between him and Weaver. Fat chance. They are in a different club.

[LondonReign2]

67. Exactly. Someone associated with Sanders should be fired for ethical

breaches, but someone associated with Clinton should be celebrated for ethical breaches.

I guess it isn't surprising that a so-called Democrat can support unethical and illegal behavior considering the candidate they support, but it is disgusting.

[NCTraveler]

68. Love this. Thank you.

GOTV!!!

Big Dod is building party enthusiasm. The Democratic Party is the vehicle for progressive change. Great day for us.

[LondonReign2]

69. No, thank YOU. I always like seeing a Clinton supporter admit they don't give a shit

about ethics.

[vintx]

71. How else could they support her? nt

[LondonReign2]

72. Indeed. I'd like a Hillary supporter to post a "I don't give a shit about ethics

as long as my candidate wins" OP and see how many of their friends they can get to give it a recommendation. Seems like if they were honest it would be the vast majority of them.

[Ken Burch]

88. Invading a polling station isn't "building excitement".

And HRC isn't the only Democrat in the race.

Sad to see you cheering a violation of election law.

[senz]

12. I am so sorry to see this.

They really have no shame, no ethics whatsoever.

[ncliberal]

13. Hillary is doing the same in NC. nt

[pinebox]

15. That was just shown on CNN!

This is NOT good!

[renate]

38. that's weird

I wonder why she's registered to vote there?

[morningfog]

53. I doubt she is and I doubt she voted. SHe just went in there to campaign.

[senz]

29. Planned disruption.

How did we ever become afflicted with this family?

[Kalidurga]

54. The media didn't do their job.

If they had that scandal infestation would have never gotten anywhere after the Health Care Associates boondoggle.

[senz]

58. This poor country is so fucked up

and that family and their buddies, the Bushes, are exhibit A in this mess.

[Le Taz Hot]

17. What's to learn?

He got away with it before!

Son of a bitch!

[GreatGazoo]

27. "Ah did not have campaiging relations with that polling place or places."

[Carlo Marx]

28. Bill Clinton connects with the under 50 crowd about as well Mitt Romney.

These antique politicians are blind to the sands shifting below their feet.

[GoneFishin]

30. "If the Clinton does it then that means it is not illegal."

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

31. Well, of course he learned. He learned that he could do it with impunity. nt

[KPN]

37. Why am I not surprised?

This is exactly the kind of Clinton bullshit that led me to Bernie in the first place. And the more I see of it, the less likely I'm going to be able to hold my nose and check the Hillary box should she win the nomination -- not that I think she will.

[senz]

43. Yes, it's like a challenge to Bernie supporters.

Like raising a finger at us.

They have no respect.

[Zorra]

40. Is the idea for him to get arrested as a cheesy dirty deed PR stunt? nt

[oberliner]

41. Not illegal

Invading? Come on, now.

[choie]

44. That hubristic

Fucker never learns.

[monmouth4]

45. He's an obnoxious yahoo, that is his true self..n/t

[jillan]

46. How very Presidential of him. What really saddens me is my ex husband was right.

We used to argue about Bill. I thought he was one of the greatest Presidents of all time.
He used to say that the Clintons will say & do anything to be in power. And their greatest strength was showmanship.

I really wasted a lot of time arguing when I should have been agreeing.

[senz]

94. Your ex was a smart person, like you.

It sounds that, like me, you wanted and needed to believe.

Nov. 1992, dancing in Puerto Vallarta to "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow, " happy as a clam, a little teary-eyed, someone approached me, we talked a bit , I could see he was a fellow lefty, an intelligent guy, and he warned me there were serious problems with Bill Clinton. I chose to ignore the warning. In the ensuing years, I made excuses like crazy for all the weird stuff emanating from the White House because I was so relieved to have a Democrat in charge again.

If this is the blindness that afflicts their current supporters, then perhaps I can understand them. I, too, had an inadequate grasp of the real and dangerous problems developing in our country and in our party. I thought a Democrat in the White House would undo the damage done by Reagan. Now I know how wrong I was.

But in 2016, that much ignorance is almost criminal. I've seen some Clinton supporters laugh at the notion of oligarchy, scoff at our concerns for democracy. Either it's willful ignorance or they're not what we used to think of as "Democrats."

[Buns_of_Fire]

47. The title makes it sound like he's like an invasive species or something.

Is your polling place having a problem with Clinton Infestion? Call xxx-xxxx!

The terminology just struck me as funny. Probably not so much so to Hillary supporters.

[casperthegm]

48. If I run into him or Hillary on my way to vote today

I'll be sure to ask if they found the transcripts yet.

[Waiting For Everyman]

49. Oh, I hope they both get busted!!!

The arrogance of these Clintons. Wow!

I'm wondering how much more they can manage to disgust me. I expect this from smarmy Republicans but seriously, from a former President? Really?

They are a stench on our good name.

[All in it together]

50. Whatever it takes to win is the Clinton's motto,

while they continue to profit from their political connections, lobbyists, megacoporations, other countries. A great racket to have different rules than the rest of us.
Detain him until the polls close.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. The rich, famous, and unethical, play by different rules.

[valerief]

52. Why wouldn't he do it? There were no consequences when he did it last time. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

55. Has anyone called the police?

[Madam Mossfern]

57. Think of it this way

How many polling places can they tactically get to in one day. How many Bernie supporters will switch their votes just because of the presence of a Clinton? How many Independents will be swayed?

Yes, it appears slimy, but I don't think it will have much effect.
If someone is at a polling place and this is going on, then a large sign should be posted regarding the rules, or someone can hold it up near where a Clinton is electioneering, if within the restricted area. If they are past that marker, they are doing nothing illegal.

[highprincipleswork]

60. The former President of the United States is a CREEP!

[Marr]

64. There's a reason the Clintons have always been mired in scandals.

This is it. They seem to think rules don't apply to them.

Elect Hillary and we'll have at least four more years of watching Democrats defend this sloppy arrogance.

[fredamae]

70. If this is true-this is the day Bill

Lost My vote for HRC-should she win. Period. Fed Up - Finito - Fin - With smarmy Election Tactics.

If you Can't win Honestly, you haven't Earned it.

[Oilwellian]

78. Same here, fredamae

You will not find one post of mine that says I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she won the nomination. That changes today.

[fredamae]

83. I had resigned myself

to doing so...but you know what? As I said If this is true ... That's it. And when I'm Done? I'm Fkg Done. I don't look back.
I refused to allow ordinary HRC supporters affect my decision....No candidate can control their millions of supporters-that's Unreasonable..But Bill "ain't no ordinary supporter" and His words and action DOES affect my decision. He Ought to fkg Know better.
On top of that, there is This I just found...More really bad optics for HRC-true or Not.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/15/this_kkk_grand_dragon_reportedly_just_endorsed_hillary_clinton_because_she_has_a_hidden_agenda/

I'm not a big Salon fan....and likely this is Bullshit...but now it's "out there". I should think HRC supporters would be more inclined to put this little fire out than focus on Sanders

[mylye2222]

74. It is not illegal for HIM.

There is the law that apply to everyone and there is the parralel law that apppy to the Clintons ( or on the RW side to people like Cheney, Rice and so on)

[xloadiex]

76. Here is the video from Chicago

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Bill-Clinton-Campaigns-for-Hillary-Clinton-in-Chicago-on-Election-Day-372124682.html

He's with Tony Preckwinkle. She must be doing Rahm's dirty work. He's probably hiding today.

[alcibiades_mystery]

82. Preckwickle doing Rahm's dirty work?

Um, haha, no.

[pdsimdars]

87. Shows they don't think they can win without tricks and cheating. . . . . just like the GOP

[brooklynite]

131. Right, the only way to win is to influence the voting at ONE SINGLE polling place...

[questionseverything]

143. 49 comments and not one is positive

obviously the clintons are above the law

[WDIM]

77. Laws don't apply to aristocracy. nt

[brooklynite]

84. So, it's illegal according to an anonymous twitter handle

You know what he's doing and where he's doing it? Please feel free to elaborate.

[hobbit709]

89. See post #20.

[brooklynite]

109. Show me the evidence that he violated the "no electioneering" boundary

I saw a video of him standing on a street; no indication of where the polling place was or how far away,

[LonePirate]

160. The conspiratorial, persecution complex suffering, excuse hunting crowd here needs no proof!

Guilty until proven innocent is de rigueur nowadays on DU.

[Avalux]

86. There were no consequences in Mass, why not keep doing it?

I know Hillary supporters are saying it's ok because it's not "illegal", but that doesn't make it right. It's appalling, really.

[book_worm]

90. Got any proof other than that tweet?

[dorkzilla]

103. It's all over the news

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Bill-Clinton-Campaigns-for-Hillary-Clinton-in-Chicago-on-Election-Day-372124682.html

[brooklynite]

110. "It's all over the news" that he's been campaigning? Good to know...

...now show us the news that he's been seen violating (by action or location) the no electioneering rules.

[jalan48]

91. WTF? Another example of Bill's 'In your face' attitude.

[Gene Debs]

96. Why the hell would he have learned anything? It's not like there were any consequences in MA.

[brooklynite]

112. ...because what he did wasn't illegal?

[AzDar]

101. Once again... proving the Clintons are corrupt and shameless. Should NEVER be in power again.

[PatrickforO]

102. Of course he didn't 'learn' anything from MA.

No sanctions were imposed on him.

So why not do it again?

[brooklynite]

111. Maybe "no sanctions were imposed on him" because he didn't violate the rules?

NewsCenter 5 reached out to Brian McNiff, spokesman for Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin, for an answer.

"No one was prevented from voting," McNiff said about the New Bedford event. "The city and voters were notified well in advance of the event."

Additionally, Galvin is quoted by the New York Times as explaining that poll workers were warned in advance of Clinton's arrival. He told the newspaper that they took the extra precaution because, "You don't usually get a president doing this."

McNiff also clarified that Clinton broke no laws during his visits to the interior of polling places because he was not handing out any flyers or voting materials for Hillary Clinton. He was seen shaking hands with workers in West Roxbury, but not handing out information.

http://www.wcvb.com/politics/state-explains-why-bill-clintons-polling-place-visits-were-legal/38282842

[JonLeibowitz]

158. Behavior is illegal or legal irrespective of whether a DA chooses to prosecute.

Would you agree?

[brooklynite]

165. Yes I would. And legality is determined by hard evidence. Would you agree?

[JonLeibowitz]

166. Yep.

[brooklynite]

167. So anyone who signed a petition demanding action based on..

...an anonymous tweet and a video that didn't show If Clinton was violating any rules, did so without hard evidence.

[JonLeibowitz]

168. That does not mean Bill's behavior was legal. I think you know that too.

[fbc]

106. Clinton Foundation donors got weapons deals From Hillary Clinton's state department

and haven't been prosecuted. I seriously doubt they are worried about election laws.

btw: before you report this, have a look at the title of this article: http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187 (Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department)

[cyberpj]

113. this should get recs and a lot of attention -

[elleng]

120. Not 'charged,' so clearly doesn't think it's illegal.

Unfortunately that's the way the game's played, and I do mean PLAYED.

[KauaiK]

124. WTF!?!?!

How is it that he is allowed to do this??? Politicking at the polls IS illegal. It's just one more nail in the coffin for me and Hillary.

[ananda]

125. Were there any consequences in MA?

NO. So why should he learn?

[brooklynite]

128. Should there be consequences for something that's not a violation of the rules?

[dorkzilla]

133. It just made him a little more careful this time

"Bill Clinton's appearance at Massachusetts polling places warranted a caution from the state, but officials believed no laws were broken."

You would think that the reaction he got from MA would make them (Hillary is doing the same thing in NC) think twice about doing it again if only just for the optics. These people disgust me.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-campaign-laws-massachusetts/

[dorkzilla]

127. So funny how some people are saying "it's totes legal" - even if that is technically true...

It's creepy as fuck. If Trump or even Bernie was doing it those same people would be clutching their fucking pearls big time. So sick of the fucking double standard.

[jwirr]

129. I just called the WH and asked that the President stop this

because it obstructs voting. It would not hurt that others call as well.

[brooklynite]

139. Tell us how...

Were you there? Do you know when he was in relation to the polling place? Do you know if he obstructed voting? Or is complaining about anonymous tweets sufficient grounds these days>

Add to which, what role does the President have in carry out elections in the State of Illinois.

[SoapBox]

130. Good gawd...Damned Clintons!

I just cannot believe the shit they do...it's beyond outrageous and illegal.

Just fucking infuriates me!

[brooklynite]

141. Well, I guess we've identified our conspiracy theory for the evening...

[riversedge]

152. "This needs to be taken care of NOW." the OP will take care of it you know

[pinebox]

154. I've guess we've identified the one Clinton supporter

who has marked out so much that he apparently doesn't think what the Clinton's did is illegal.
You can lead someone to water but you can't make them drink it even when they are dying of thirst.
Wake up. What they did was illegal and if this was a GE and a Republican doing it you'd have a fit.

[99Forever]

149. I wish I could take back...

...all of the times I defended that asshole.

[Bjornsdotter]

153. Ditto n/t

[doc03]

161. What did he do illeagal? How was he in

two states? Is there some kind of law that the spouse of a candidate can't go near a polling place? I hardly think it will swing the election.

[Buns_of_Fire]

162. Strictly illegal in this case, probably not. Tacky, definitely so.

There doesn't seem to be much need for Bubba to "get out the vote" since the people there were ALREADY there to vote.

And since he wasn't covered in "I'm 4 Hillary" buttons, he couldn't be accused of electioneering, since I'm sure none of the voters recognized him or remembered that he was somehow connected to one of the candidates.

The laws were written before such a situation was envisioned. So be it. Like so many things in this cycle, it's all uncharted territory.

But it doesn't stop me from thinking that it's pretty damned tacky. At least it's physically impossible for them to just "drop in" to every precinct voting today.

[berningman]

169. fucking liars and cheaters. what more needs to be said. those

two dirt bags deserve each other.

[RBInMaine]

174. More radical nonsensical hyperbole. Yawn.