I'm absolutely baffled by folks who claim that Hillary can't beat Trump in November.

[Nye Bevan]

How many women will vote for a guy who talks about "blood coming out of her wherever" and joked with Howard Stern about "nailing" Princess Diana, when they could vote for the first ever female presidential candidate? Hillary will probably win one of the highest female percentage vote totals ever.

And what about the black vote? Latinos? Trump may well win among ignorant white males, but as Romney showed, that's nowhere near enough to become president.

[firebrand80]

1. They haven't looked at the numbers

Trump is going to get plastered

[LonePirate]

2. A Trump candidacy could result in a Dem House

It would be great to have a Dem sweep in DC for at least 2 years.

[Wellstone ruled]

3. It is our Election to lose,

no matter who is the Nominee.

[gollygee]

4. Of course she can

Bernie could have too. It wouldn't take much.

[Bonobo]

5. Really? She won't pull in independents.

That doesn't concern you?

Her historically low approval ratings don't concern you?

Those are facts that you should face.

[joshcryer]

17. The American people won't elect a racist, bigoted, sexist, fascist.

I have no concern whatsoever about this.

[Bonobo]

21. There is a vast swathe of America that would vote for exactly that.

I wish I had your confidence.

[joshcryer]

26. Hate has a ceiling.

It's about 40%.

[Bonobo]

28. 40% is too close to not be nervous imo.

A 40% popular vote combined with a lack of enthusiasm -read low turnout- spells trouble.

[marions ghost]

54. Exactly

that is a reality.

[joshcryer]

58. Trump hurts GOP turnout, not Dems.

[bettyellen]

18. She already has some Indies, and will get 3/4 of Bernie's share. And doubtless Republican women too

[oasis]

29. Independents shudder at the thought of 3 Scalia types added to SCOTUS.

[brush]

47. So you think independent will vote for Trump instead of Hillary?

I don't. Romney proved that there are not enough whites to win so why do you think Trump will?

[Bonobo]

48. Romney did not appeal strongly to a few constituents:

1. He did not appeal to hard core Republicans.

2. He did not appeal to anti-govt. type independents.

[brush]

56. Sorry, those are not convincing arguments

Latinos, blacks, Asians, gays, many women and progressive whites — the Obama Coalition — will vote for Clinton just as they did for Obama, and Trump, the neo-fascist, racist, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, penis-size arguer, handicapped person mocker will be destroyed in November.

Plus, Bernie will campaign for Clinton and bring in some independents and there just aren't enough right-leaning whites in the country anymore to win a national election. The demographics of the country has changed and is getting even browner as we speak.

The racist party can't win the White House anymore until they change — and a sea change is omost likely on the way as that party will splinter once they try to steal their nomination from Trump at a brokered convention.

[TeddyR]

6. I absolutely think that Hillary

Can beat Trump. He's probably the worst candidate in the last 40 years. I'm concerned about Hillary's ability to beat Kasich, or what happens if she's indicted over the summer. I hope that every single poster on DU would agree that we can't support a candidate who is indicted (which hopefully won't happen).

[peace13]

14. Indicted over the summer?

WTF? That ship has sailed. This does not seem to bother her supporters in the least. That is why they voted for her. What a surprise it will be!

[TeddyR]

30. When did that ship sail?

I missed it. Even the WaPo, which supports Hillary in any storm, hasn't taken the position that she won't be indicted. Maybe you aren't paying attention?

[peace13]

36. My point is..

...why would anyone vote for a candidate that may be indicted? Those folks who voted for her are riding with her in a fine ship of uncertainty. They have managed to lash all of us aboard. If she is indicted our momentum will be stopped dead and we will be the party that tried to run a person under indictment. If she is not indicted there will always be that shadow...that question. So to my eyes we are already on our cruise. I see the ship leaving dock with many happy people waiving. Most of them on shore.

[TeddyR]

33. Setting aside the issue of whether she'll be indicted

Please point me to the last presidential candidate who was being investigated by the FBI. To be clear, Hillary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI because she possibly committed a crime. The only other politician who springs to mind is Nixon.

[peace13]

41. Please see post 36.

[NCTraveler]

7. Everything goes against the thought of a Trump win.

Then again I have been wrong on every single thing I've said about him except the fact he is a racist xenophobic bigot.

[jzodda]

8. They are talking with their hearts not their heads

The polls are all Clinton if the race is against Trump.

Also trump's numbers will NOT go up. How much you want to bet he makes fun of her looks or some other sexist nonsense?

Her numbers will continue to rise.

[Bleacher Creature]

9. I think it's just bitterness.

She's been fairly obvious in her strategy, which is to recreate the Obama coalition. She did a great job of it during the primaries, and Republicans are about to gift wrap the perfect candidate to finish the job.

[joshcryer]

10. I bookmark a post a day.

Been doing it ever since I saw people making this absolutely ridiculous "prediction."

[Persondem]

11. Exactly this. THANK YOU!! a big K & R nt

[peace13]

12. To win she will only have to do one thing...

....and that is Get Her Story Straight! Seriously, all she has to do is review her videos and her past votes and comments and get.... The ..story ...straight. Thinking people want an honest leader and the only way that she will appear as such is to get her story straight. How much is that to ask?

[UMTerp01]

13. Its quite foolish actually

There is going to be so much anti Trump vote that it is going to favor whomever the Democratic nominee is. All Hillary needs to do is maintain a certain number with white voters. That will be the key. She is going to win Latinos, Asians, Blacks, overwhelmingly. Key to that as well is Latinos. You can't win a Presidency these days without high Latino support, and they are not voting for Trump in the numbers he will need. She will win. Bernie would win. End of story.

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. The problem she creates is in turnout.

That's where Hillary loses. She'll suppress turnout among liberal independents and young voters. She'll massively stimulate turnout among the far-right (there is no more hated politician among that crowd, not even the president). Moreover, she polls poorly among moderate independents, one of the most critical demographics. If they show up in large numbers, she'll get killed there.

And while her female vote percentage will be unprecedented, so too will likely be her male percentage...unprecedentedly low.

All of this doesn't just doom her in swing states, it dooms the downballot everywhere.

I suspect it's effectively over. Hillary won too big in FL and OH. November will be a disaster.

[bettyellen]

19. Bernie didn't raise the turnout as he needed, because a lot of people are fine with either candidate

I;ve seen a lot of that out here, and more than usual at DU.

[Nye Bevan]

20. When you talk about "that crowd" that hates her, you are mostly talking about ignorant white males.

Which as I have mentioned Trump may well win but will be nowhere near enough. She will also pull in quite a few more intelligent white males who are smart enough to appreciate the dangers of Trump in the Oval Office (or at least these folks may well stay home when they would have turned out in a heartbeat for Rubio or Cruz).

[Lizzie Poppet]

22. Their votes count the same as anyone's, and she'll attract MANY more of them to the polls.

Those intelligent white males you mention don't represent additional turnout. Some of the conservative one's might stay home rather than vote for Trump, but I'd bet everything I own that'll be nowhere near the amount of dumbshits that flock to vote against Hillary. It's certainly not enough to make up for the huge crash in young voters, a key component of Obama's coalition.

[Nye Bevan]

23. Don't forget that Bernie will likely be campaigning for Hillary, encouraging young voters

to turn out for her.

[w4rma]

38. Everybody knows that there is no way that she would put Bernie on the ticket

Because she's too vindictive and too bought off to do it. And they are from opposing wings of the Democratic Party. She would rather smother the progressive wing, if she could.

[Nye Bevan]

39. No, Bernie won't be her running mate.

But I expect that Bernie will campaign for her anyway.

[w4rma]

43. Like I've been saying. She's toast in the general, if she gets there. (nt)

[brush]

53. Nah. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

Bernie will campaign for her and bring in some independents. Latinos, blacks, Asians, gays, many women and progressive whites — the Obama Coalition — will vote for Clinton just as they did for Obama and Trump, the neo-facist, racist, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim, penis size arguer, will be destroyed in November.

We already saw that movie with Romney starring in it in 2012. Times and the country has changed. A candidate can no longer win with whites only voting for them.

[El Supremo]

16. Me too

I met one of these guys at my caucus in Colorado. I said Bull!

[ThePhilosopher04]

24. I don't think she can beat any Republican

She's pissed off half of Bernie supporters who won't vote for her, and she'll need every vote just to keep it close. It's going to be ugly I'm afraid for the next 4 years.

[Nye Bevan]

32. So when Bernie urges his supporters to vote for Hillary,

they won't respect his wishes?

[Carolina]

42. Not do sure he'll say that

He'll be gracious in his personal concession if it comes to that because that's the kind of person he is. But the bridge has been burned and his supporters are disgusted by the lesser of two evils shit that has brought the country so far right of center that Nixon would be a flaming liberal today.

Third wayers have destroyed the Democratic Party and aided and abetted repukes in destroying the middle class. This election was the last straw and I, for one yet far from alone, will not vote for the top of the ticket if HRC is the nominee. I cannot support a war mongering, coup supporting, arms dealing, fracker promoting free trader who has been bought and paid for by Goldman-Sachs, big pharma, Monsanto, etc.

Enough is enough!

[DJ13]

25. Read some of the Bernie supporters posts talking about leaving the party

Then read the responses by some of the Hillary supporters saying stuff like "bye, dont need you" , "dont let the door...", and there shouldnt be any surprise.

[davidn3600]

27. You are assuming things based on 2008 numbers....it's not the same electorate.

This is a much more angry, anti-establishment, and anti-elitist electorate on both sides than it was in 2008.

[Nye Bevan]

31. I'm pretty sure the percentage of women and nonwhites has not changed much (nt)

[davidn3600]

44. But that's all you are relying on...identity politics

You got a lot of white, middle class voters who feel disenchanted with the party. They feel the party is not paying any attention to the economic issues that are effecting them. That's why they are going to Bernie right now. Many of these are union workers that usually vote Democrat, and voted heavily for Obama in 2008. They are seeing their jobs being shipped overseas. They see a Democratic establishment in as much favor of free trade agreements as the Republicans. They see Hillary supporting visa programs that bring foreigners into the US so corporations can use them to replace higher paid American workers.

Against Donald Trump and his populism and anti-trade, anti-immigrant rhetoric, he may very well resonate with many of these voters who are angry about this. Hillary is going to lose these swing states, especially in the mid-west.

[marions ghost]

57. right

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[artislife]

52. This minority woman, Latina is looking

further left if Bernie isn't on the ballot.

[Doctor_J]

34. I'm baffled by folks who claim she's a Democrat

[Kalidurga]

40. I am baffled as well...

She says and does things that if a Republican did them people would scream bloody murder around here. And it wouldn't just be Bernie supporters.

[farleftlib]

46. You said it, Doc

With the exception of choice, which she's already waffling on, she's a Dem in name only.

[w4rma]

35. She had better hope that Wall Street can seriously fund her campaign to pay her staff, since she

apparently can't win many volunteers.

[PADemD]

45. +1000

[EndElectoral]

37. If you worried about Bernie's points, get ready for an onslaught. Just hope she isn't indicted...

during the election season.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. I think we are flying into uncharted territory

But i think he will have some problems, yes.

[artislife]

50. Look at his numbers.

She may get half of the Bernie numbers. Maybe.

[hobbit709]

51. there's this woman for sure.

[NurseJackie]

55. Pessimists. Bitter. Disappointed. Angry. (Way too much negative energy for me.)

I totally get it, but I don't need it.... BECAUSE I'M HAPPY!!!