" 81 percent of those looking for a candidate who can win in November chose Clinton"

[riversedge]

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Well, the headline is perhaps a bit exaggerated- I tend not to count my chicks till hatched.






The Fiscal Times By Martin Matishak, Eric Pianin
8 minutes ago



................... .........Overall, the results suggest that Sanders’ surprise victory last week in Michigan was an anomaly, rather than the first domino in a series of friendly Midwest contests that would make him a major threat to Clinton...........................

After her clean sweep of the South--by blow out margins--Clinton added hundreds more delegates making her already healthy total 1,561 (including super delegates) as she marches toward the necessary 2,383 to win. Now, it’s almost mathematically impossible for Sanders to catch up.

With one of the biggest nights of her campaign behind her, Clinton delivered a stirring victory speech in Florida where she tipped her hat to Sanders for his “vigorous” campaigning but quickly pivoted to GOP frontrunner Donald Trump and the bruising general election campaign that awaits the two of them.

.................. But she stepped up her attacks in nationally televised appearances, and picked up the tempo last night.

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“We live in a complex and yes a dangerous world,” she said. “Protecting America’s national security can never be an afterthought. Our commander in chief has to be able to defend our country, not embarrass it; engage our allies, not alienate them; defeat our adversaries, not embolden them.”

She cited Trump’s most controversial promises...........................

“When he embraces torture, that doesn’t make him strong, it makes him wrong,” she said. “You know, to be great, we can’t be small. We can’t lose what made America great in the first place,” Clinton added.

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Sanders now faces the reality of becoming nothing more than a messaging candidate, using his bid to keep the spotlight on the bread-and-butter issues that have been the hallmark of his dark horse candidacy.

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Sanders spoke for an hour, without mentioning the night's election results.
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Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) was of huge importance to Clinton’s victory in the Buckeye State and serves as one of her most important bridges to the liberal wing of the party.


....................And perhaps most tellingly, 81 percent of those looking for a candidate who can win in November chose Clinton...............

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[Trust Buster]

1. And pivot she will and must. No more debates.

[blackspade]

32. No more debates?

Tough shit. No free pass for Clinton.

[oasis]

33. Right, no more debates. Let's get the GE show on the road.

[liberalmike27]

36. This is

Based on "truthiness thinking," instead of actual polling, which says she even loses to that racist Trump.

[oasis]

39. The independent's outrage on the GOP rejection of Obama's SCOTUS nom

trumps the Trump argument.

[spooky3]

57. Please post links to those polls. RealClearPolitics

Has many polls over time and nearly all of them show Clinton beating Trump.

[stonecutter357]

2. K&R!

[firebrand80]

3. There never was a revolution

Other than in Bernie's head

[Armstead]

5. And MANY millions of other's heads

[Hortensis]

14. True sort of. The vast majority want to repair

and build on what we have, not destroy and experiment with something new. Revolution is definitely a dream of a disaffected few, and of course of the wingers who always feel revolution is necessary no matter when or where they live.

I feel as sure as I can be that Bernie's appeal would be far broader if he canned the revolution stuff and spoke of erbuilding a great America in a way that still differentiated him from Hillary's similar goals, but then that's just not him, not radical enough.

[Armstead]

17. Yada, yada, Armstead. Let's cut this one off at the start.

[Hortensis]

19. Ouch! Agree.

[Armstead]

20. I like and respect you. I would hope we would be able to civilly discuss

Not today perhaps because emotions are raw....but

[Hortensis]

21. Oh, I'm sorry, Armstead. Let's just agree to say new

things when we chat, instead of rehashing the same-old/same-old that must bore us both to death to read.

Anyway, although Bernie almost certainly is not going to win, the plains and western states will be friendlier ground. Hillary mostly just has to hang in there to win, but what majorities she gets are likely to be by smaller margins, so this will probably crawl on for a while.

[vintx]

25. WTF? Destroy and experiment with something new?

Is that a joke?

[72DejaVu]

26. No, it's what revolutions do.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

60. That is not true.

Some do, some don't.

[Fast Walker 52]

41. bullshit-- I think his support clearly showed otherwise

[firebrand80]

44. 40-45% of Democratic primary voters

does not a revolution make

[Fast Walker 52]

46. well, if they started taking to the streets, it would be a real revolution

but your claimed it was only in his head, when his support shows otherwise.

[firebrand80]

47. Where else is it?

It's a primary contest, one that he's losing. There is no revolution, other than the one he thinks is happening. All the while, turnout is DOWN compared to '08.

[Fast Walker 52]

49. my main point is millions of dollars in individual contributions and 45% of the Dem electorate

indicates that there is a deep yearning for a more progressive candidate and the revolution wasn't just in Bernie's head.

[firebrand80]

51. my point is that if he can't even win a party primary

or even increase turnout over the last primary, then his support may be strong, but they're aren't enough people on board to call it a "revolution"

[Fantastic Anarchist]

61. The primaries aren't over yet.

[firebrand80]

62. they are effectively over

whether you want to admit it or not

[Fantastic Anarchist]

64. No, they are not "effectively" over.

If that were the case, then Clinton would "effectively" have the nomination.

[Armstead]

4. That's certainly something to be real fucking proud of

Let's break the back of the hopes and dreams of a large share of the people who have voted in democratic primaries.

Yeah that attitude is going to get Clinton to the White House.

[riversedge]

6. Nobody said that except you. Shameful of you to do so.

[Armstead]

7. "Hillary Clinton Breaks the Back of the Sanders Revolution"

There are many otehr phrases that could have been used to describe it that are not as deliberately provocative and violent

[riversedge]

16. The title referred to the Revolution --not the

actual people like your post did. Learn to read. You are one that inserted 'violent' comments.

[Armstead]

22. Last I heard, breaking backs involves a certain amount of violence

even if it's emotional and political rather than physical

[azurnoir]

59. and the REAL headline to your OP article that is :)

[cosmicone]

8. At the end of the day, someone has to lose

It is condescending to say that Clinton supporters don't have hopes and dreams. Do only Bernie supporters have hopes and dreams?

[Armstead]

10. I am referring to "breaking the backs" of those who supported Sanders

I'm planning to vote for Clinton in November.

But if everything that I believe in keeps getting trashed and/or is swept under the carpet , I might develop an awful case of the flu on that day. I suspect millions of others feel likewise.

[cosmicone]

13. It said "breaking the back of the revolution"

not people.

Not a phrase I'd have used but under the circumstances, it is quite cogent.

[Armstead]

15. Whatever....Clinton is going to need a hefty share of those who support that Revolution

[riversedge]

18. Yes, we know that but you inserting and saying the title referred to actual

people is wrong--!!. You are one inserting violence by saying it was people instead of a figurative use of words. Grow up.

[Armstead]

23. "Sanders' revolution" is the revolution of his supporters who are people

[cosmicone]

34. Cars are made of nuts and bolts

A "car is broken" doesn't mean all the nuts and bolts are broken ... amirite?

[Science Crow]

48. I hope the Hillary supporters reply to this.

I've been trying to figure out her plan from day one, but other than vague nonsense about "getting things done" and having "more robust plans" than Bernie Sanders, I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

Help me out, Hillary people? I see more war, more trade deals, fewer decent jobs, and a cabinet filled up with Goldman Sachs vipers.
In other words, the status quo. Honestly, what do you expect her to do that makes her such a better choice than Bernie Sanders?

[MADem]

56. Good grief--you have the world wide web at your fingertips--and you're claiming that you need to get

your information from "Hillary supporters?" The information you seek has ALWAYS been available to you. The only reason you aren't up to speed is ... YOU. You can "help yourself" with a click of your mouse or built in pointing device!

I don't rely on Sanders supporters to explain his views to me. I do what a sensible person does--I go to his web pages. Cut out the middleman! Get the material straight from the source! Love the 21st Century in this regard--so much better than trudging to the library!

Here--I googled it for you....here it ALL is, in one convenient location. I will advise you of this, though--you will not absorb the information if you do not take the time to READ it:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Click on the READ MORE links under each area of interest to you. Enjoy!

[Science Crow]

58. I know I'm just a lazy dummy, but...

My question is, what do her supporter's expect her to do?

Yes, I've read her proposals and honesty, it looks like she was peeking over Bernie Sanders' shoulder during exam week.

I also know her history and her voting record. Have you all just pretended it doesn't matter? Do you expect the multi-million dollar recipient of Goldman Sachs' largesse to again, as she says, tell them to "cut it out"? Do you expect Kissinger's protege, and the Bush-Cheney cheerleader of the Iraq War to keep us from further disastrous adventures overseas? Do you really think that the one who called the TPP the "gold standard" of trade deals, the supporter of NAFTA, honestly had a change of heart? Do you think that the politician who voted for BAPCPA after telling Elizabeth Warren how horrible it was can be trusted for any of these things on her list?

Seriously, I want to know. Like most politically aware people, yourself included, I pay attention to what's going on around me. What have I seen? Sanders' people say, he wants universal healthcare, he wants money out of politics, he wants to make public colleges free for all. The list goes on and on.

Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but do you know what I hear most Hillary's supporters say? She's winning. End of story.

So please, illuminate my lazy ass. What makes her the better candidate? I ask her supporters as I want to know what they honestly expect from another Clinton presidency, not just how she's kicking ass in the primaries.

[ibegurpard]

9. Good luck getting people whose backs you've broken

To lift a finger to help your neoliberal hero finally achieve her ultimate resume enhancement.

[deutsey]

11. +1

[casperthegm]

24. +2 and a lot more

One issue candidate? Auto bailout lie? Koch brothers smear? Yeah, let me jump right on board the Clinton train...

[SamKnause]

27. +3

[Fantastic Anarchist]

63. + zillion

[Impedimentus]

12. Feel the Gloat

Feel the Gloat - 2016

[riversedge]

37. There is no place for personal insults on this board. Shame on you.

[Helen Borg]

30. If true... It is because the media keep spreading disinfo.

All relevant polls out there show that Sander is more electable than Clinton in matches against all Republicans. That is the only data that counts. Everything else is disinformation.

[blackspade]

31. A continuation of the electability myth.

mSNBC did that last night by ignoring thier own polling on the subject.
Typical M$M.

[tex-wyo-dem]

35. Hillary's greatest asset last night was Trump...

People are scared to death of Trump, especially after the violence at his campaign stops over the last few days.

Last night many who may have normally given Bernie their vote, voted Clinton because they think (wrongly) that she is the safe choice to beat Trump.

Trump is doing Hillary some huge favors.

[SmittynMo]

40. 81 percent of those looking for a candidate.........

Really? Every poll I've seen chose Bernie over HRC to beat Trump. In some cases, it was double digits for Sanders over Trump.

So, in essence, the oligarchy and big money win again, which only confirms a corrupt political system.

I can also guarantee that many dems will not vote if she wins in the primaries. People are really fed up with SOS politics.
This alone, and the fact that GOP voting has been up, should give it to Trump.

I'm going to go back to this thread in 8 months, to see how accurate I was.

Then I'm moving, as I don't think I could do 4 years of Trump.

[Science Crow]

42. Does this sentence mean anything to you?

"Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) was of huge importance to Clinton’s victory in the Buckeye State and serves as one of her most important bridges to the liberal wing of the party".

I'll tell you what it means to me. I'm part of the "liberal wing" of the party and I'd like representation, not just a bridge, thank you kindly. Who do you think Hillary is going to work for if she wins?

Us? Not likely.

[Fast Walker 52]

45. great-- so she clearly is not part of the liberal wing and needs a "bridge" to it

Just fucking great.

[Fast Walker 52]

43. the fact remains that Hillary is a terrible match up against Trump

He can call her out for foreign policy disasters and corruption and remain above the fray.

Granted, Trump has his own problems, but he's turning into a good politician and can really hurt Hillary.

Bernie can counter Trump much more effectively on policy.

[Science Crow]

54. I know, right?

Trump has no experience in governance, and is a serial liar. Hillary has a lot of experience in governance and is also a serial liar. Trumps supporters don't care. Democrats and independents will.

You can easily imagine how the debates will go. When Trump asks her directly about those Bosnian snipers and the Reagans starting the conversation about HIV/AIDS, among other things, you can expect to hear the word, "misspoke" in a lot of the answers.

He'll gain strength, she'll look foolish. But hey, it's her turn, right?

[Armstead]

50. Thank you for changing the title

[gcomeau]

52. Showing how many voters don't pay attention to GE polling. -eom

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. Clinton's lead of 300 - double the largest lead Barack Obama ever had over Hillary Clinton in 2008.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-back-track-win-dem-nomination-n539696

Obama was a revolutionary candidate whose presence drove huge turnouts.
Sanders will have more wins, but no matter how favorable he ground, he will find Math a much larger obstacle.

[Gothmog]

55. Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate in the field