Poll shows that Millennials would flock to Clinton against Trump

[kwassa]

WASHINGTON — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has expanded his double-digit lead among Millennials in the Democratic presidential race, but a new USA TODAY/Rock the Vote poll finds a way for Hillary Clinton to solve her generation gap: Donald Trump.

Opposition to Trump nearly unites the rising generation.

In a hypothetical Clinton v. Trump contest in November, voters under 35 would choose Clinton by a crushing 52%-19%, a preference that crosses demographic lines. Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%. Among Hispanics, by more than 4-1, 61%-14%. Among Asian Americans, by 5-1, 60%-11%. Among African Americans, by 13-1, 67%-5%.

And the yawning gender gap she has against Sanders would vanish: Clinton would carry young men and women by almost identical margins of more than 2-1.

Nearly one in four Republicans would defect to the Democrats if the GOP nominated Trump against Clinton. Just 7% of Democrats would defect to the GOP.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/03/14/poll-millennials-clinton-sanders-trump-president/81612520/

[Stallion]

1. Talking Point Flushed Down Toilet

nm

[Skwmom]

42. The attack from the other side has not even begun.

[BlueState]

62. The attack on the other side has not even begun

An equally true and very important point.

[riderinthestorm]

85. Trump's first anti-Hillary ad...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511505561#top

[fasttense]

55. That's a big stretch and leave it to the corporate media

to make the stretch.

If they wont vote for her now why would they vote for the uber rich support program later?

I guess they think the tRump is so awful it will force those who wouldn't cross the street to shake Hillary's hand to vote for her?

[Politicalboi]

88. They're so wrong

These kids aren't dumb. They'll probably vote indie as will I if Bernie isn't on the ballot.

[leftofcool]

2. Of course they will and so will Independents.

All this fear mongering here on DU about people not voting for Hillary is bunk!

[NurseJackie]

3. I question the motives of people who have been ...

... making that argument. We now know it's bunk, but I doubt that will dissuade them from continuing so to do.

[riversedge]

22. seems that folks need a boogyman--or in this case a boogywoman

Jesse Lehrich
‏@JesseLehrich

.@HillaryClinton now up 300+ pledged delegates & 2.5 million+ votes.
#ImWithHer #ShesWithUs

[NurseJackie]

26. Among unregistered millennials who have never voted, Trump beats Hillary by 2-to-1.

[billhicks76]

71. 3rd or 4th Party Candidacies Ruin This Speculation

[gcomeau]

4. Hey look, suddenly we CAN count on the millennial vote.

How fascinating. So why not pick the candidate they actually WANT to vote for instead of the one you think you can scare them into holding their nose for and get even larger margins?

[jcgoldie]

12. Or

We could pick the candidate who has been chosen by 2.5 million more people in the primaries so far including massive pluralities of minorities. Is there a reason the youth vote is more important than the black vote for example?

[gcomeau]

13. If you want to make your decisions based on skewed unrepresentative voter samples, sure.

I for one think it's a brilliant strategy when companies who want customers to buy their products tell those customers to fuck off and keep their opinions about what they want to themselves until the product launch then please come by and choose us over our competition.

[jcgoldie]

17. ?

Why is the youth vote somehow authentic and yet the African American and Hispanic vote is "skewed and unrepresentative"?

[gcomeau]

19. I was referring to...

...the combination of closed primaries and the massive frontloading of the states of the Confederacy in the first half of the primary to create an exaggerated impression of Clinton's general levels of support..

[jcgoldie]

20. begs the question

The significant differences in the states that have voted and those that have yet to vote have almost nothing to do with the Confederacy and much more to do with the percentage of minorities who make up the democratic electorate in those states. So once again... why is the youth vote more important than those other demographics that HRC is winning in large numbers?

[gcomeau]

28. No it doesn't.

A skewed sample is a skewed sample. Nobody is saying any one vote is *more important* than anothers except the people saying that based on one small sample of the primary vote one candidate should be declared the winner and the supporters of the other should shut up and accept it and just forget about all the people who haven't voted or who wreren't allowed to vote because they don't matter like the ones who have already voted do.

And that would be YOUR camp. For almost the entire fucking primary.

[jcgoldie]

37. you changed the topic

This thread is about millennials voting for Clinton. You claimed that we should choose the candidate they don't have to "hold their nose" for. I never claimed anyone should shut up about anything.

[gcomeau]

38. I really didn't. YOU brought up the voters other than millenials.

I was on topic until you dragged us off of it.

And if we're now returning to the topic of millennials, my original point remain un-rebutted.

[jcgoldie]

44. wow you really dance a lot

Your original premise was that we as democrats should select the candidate that appeals to young voters rather than expect them to vote for the opposite candidate begrudgingly. My question asked at least three times in this thread: why should we give precedence to the preference of young voters over the equally strong preference of minority voters in the opposite direction?

[gcomeau]

46. Speaking of dancing...

The OP was about millenials. I said IF you want millennial support try picking the candidate they actually want to vote for. That's it.

Then YOU came in with all the jabbering about every other type of voter under the sun and why we weren't talking about them. I addressed that and you accuse me of going off topic because I'm not talking exclusively about millennials anymore when that was what the OP was about.

So I go back on topic and refer back to my original unaddressed point about the millennials and what happens? You drag out all the other voters AGAIN!

If I answer you AGAIN are you going to accuse me of going off topic AGAIN because I'm talking about anyone other than millennials AGAIN?

Sheesh.

[jcgoldie]

48. still no answer

sheesh is correct.

[gcomeau]

50. No answer TO WHAT???

If it's your "what about all the other voters" question, when I answer it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1505309

and here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1505354

AND HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1505489


...you reacted by accusing me of changing the topic because, and I fucking quote, "This thread is about millennials voting for Clinton. "

Then I returned to the point about millennials voting preferences and you accuse me of ignoring the non millennials again.


Make Up Your Fucking Mind

[jcgoldie]

67. impressive use of fuck as an adjective

Seriously, why keep responding if you arent even interested in the question?

[gcomeau]

72. I ANSWERED IT IN THREE DIFFERENT FUCKING POSTS.

So why keep responding indeed. It's like talking to a pre-recorded message.

[riversedge]

24. .@HillaryClinton now up 300+ pledged delegates & 2.5 million+ votes.

Folks ARE voting for the one they want to.

Jesse Lehrich
‏@JesseLehrich

.@HillaryClinton now up 300+ pledged delegates & 2.5 million+ votes.
#ImWithHer #ShesWithUs

[gcomeau]

29. *Some* folks. Others haven't yet. Others are kept away.

[Lorien]

82. Independents don't vote in closed primaries. There are more of them than Dems and repugs.

and most will either vote for Trump, or not vote.

[Politicalboi]

89. Excellent point

I'm not holding my nose. I'm not a millennial but a boomer who is tired of the lies and the deceit from Clinton's.

[bobbobbins01]

5. I don't think flock is the appropriate word here.

They would reluctantly vote for her in one of the most depressing elections ever because she's just the best they fucking have to choose from, which isn't saying much.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. ^^this^^

Or they won't bother to vote at all. 3 millennials in this house, none wants her.

[NorthCarolina]

6. Millenials won't vote for Clinton in large number, this is just a polling

exercise put out with the hope that saying it will make it so. It won't. millenials identify Clinton as a major part of the current problems with our Government. A system of graft that benefits the benefactors with little to no regard for the general public.

[elljay]

59. The ones who bother to vote will support her

But anyone who thinks they will come out in the mass numbers that they would for Bernie is deluded. They are motivated by issues, not by supporting a candidate merely because she is female.

[bunnies]

7. Too bad they dont vote!

Ammirite?

[Ron Green]

8. The plan was always to drive fear-based voters to Clinton.

Trump and the media have done it.

[Nye Bevan]

9. Also, don't forget that Sanders will (I hope) be urging his young followers to vote for Clinton.

He should be a real asset to her on the campaign trail in this regard.

[GummyBearz]

30. After all the lies and smearing her campaign has done to him I can't imagine urging anyone to vote..

for her. If I had personally done great things for purposes as important as civil rights, and then had someone lie about those things in order to personally smear me, I wouldn't encourage any of my supporters to vote for such a person.

[LonePirate]

45. You will have crow to eat when Bernie's convention speech implores people to vote for HRC in the GE.

[GummyBearz]

52. You can have my share, I'm not that hungry for crow

I can think of better things to eat.

[ibegurpard]

83. you are VASTLY overestimating his sway

People are for Bernie because of his MESSAGE and his unique ability to convey that message...not for HIM. they're not going to follow him into territory that doesn't match that message.

[sufrommich]

10. There's a lot of negative wishful thinking

going on here. Regardless of Bernie supporters issuing dire warnings here and elsewhere,those warnings aren't based on fact.

[Waiting For Everyman]

11. It's one thing to ask the question AT the polls,

it's quite another to get those same millennials back to the polls to vote for Hillary. Maybe rough, tough, Super Hillary can do it, but I doubt it.

Also if any are counting on Trump to scare them into it, I'll bet he will be undergoing the biggest makeover since Jekyll and Hyde before the convention. He'll be transformed into Presidential Donald, or I'll be very surprised.

[Nye Bevan]

14. Making history by electing the first ever female president?

Or helping out Donald "blood coming out of her wherever" Trump by staying home?

I think quite a few young people will do the right thing, to say the least.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. That appeals more to older women.

Millennial men, probably meh too.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

35. kids dont care about that and i agree

Many other countries have elected women for years, and kids dont see gender or race like older folks do. I raised my boys to not care about such divisions. They dont see hillary as a woman, they see her as a corporate candidate.

[LibDemAlways]

64. If anything, they'll write in Sanders or vote for

Jill Stein. These kids have principles and they aren't loyal to a party.

[RoccoR5955]

40. How about

we make history by electing the first Jewish president from the 4th largest city in the country, Brooklyn! It's about time that there was a president from my home town!

[jzodda]

15. It won't make much difference.

They don't vote in large numbers anyway!

Of course they will go in huge numbers but not necessarily for Clinton but against Trump. He's going to be crushed in the overall popular vote.

This demo may not show up on election day, as they usually do.

[JaneyVee]

18. There goes the #narrative.

[Avalux]

21. Comply or else!

That's the option they'll be given as the establishment tries to scare them with Trump. FLOCK? No.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Of course they would. Some Sandersians believe their own hype

[basselope]

25. They won't turn out.

[riderinthestorm]

27. Not my 2 millennials. Nor their friends or the ones in my Sanders office

They're pivoting to Jill Stein.

You mis-underestimate their climate change fear. HRC is a dinosaur in that area.

[calguy]

31. Pretty much EVERY sane person

will flock to Hillary with a Trump nomination.

I predict Hillary will win in a landslide and have long coattails.

[wyldwolf]

33. if it isn't an online poll, it isn't true

[azurnoir]

74. but it was an online poll

The poll, the second in a series, is part of USA TODAY's One Nation initiative, a series of forums across the country on the most important issues of 2016. The online survey, taken by Ipsos March 3-10, polled 1,541 adults ages 18 to 34

[wyldwolf]

90. I'll clarify

It was a poll, conducted online, with randomly selected participants. You (nor I) could have voted in them.

[azurnoir]

91. exactly

[Buddyblazon]

34. Supporting...

and showing up are two entirely different things.

[NWCorona]

36. If they didn't come out for Bernie

I'd highly doubt that they will for Hillary but what do I know. I figured that they would show up in the primary lol

[RoccoR5955]

39. Yet another flushable talking point

Destined to the septic tank, with the rest of them.

[GardeningGal]

41. You have to get them to the polls first.

I'm not a millennial but I am an Independent voter in a swing state and for the first time in my life I can see myself sitting out an election if it is Clinton vs. Trump.

[SoapBox]

43. Good luck with that.

Dems will show up in historic LOW turnout for her.

And every fucking batshit crazy Rump supporter / Hillary hater will be out in force.

Also anyone that thinks the lame MSM will begin to push Hill over Rump....

[CajunBlazer]

53. Please don't attempt to judge Democrats and left leaning independents based....

... on your perspective. Some on the far left will vote Green are not vote - but they are not going to vote for Trump. Trump will definitely animate the left of center base; they will vote, there is no question about that.

[azurnoir]

69. no but take a look at the voter totals by party even last night the GOP turn out

out stripped the Democratic by a couple of million - now if you take by candidate it looks real good but there are more Repub candidates than Democratic -wanna see the Repukes unite-put another Clinton up there and millennials at least the ones I've talked to well they see a Clinton whoever the GOP candidate is as a no win for them either way-the difference between Obama and Clinton is this-Obama courted and won the votes of young people whereas Clinton has spent the last year denigrating them and now it's too late for her to believably change course-they are not afraid of a Trump or any other Repuke presidency - they have time on their side

[CajunBlazer]

76. Remember, that Trump's disapproval rating are far worse than Hillary's

Republicans voted in droves because of the interest of Trump vs No Trump battles. More than half of the Republican voters turned to prevent Trump from becoming their nominee. Many of those people fervently hate Donald Trump and do not want to him to be the leader and face of the Republican Party. They will not be excited to vote for him in the general election. I suspect that man establishment Republicans will state publicly that they will not support Trump. Some ordinarily republicans (the article cites one quarter) will cross over and vote for Hillary.

On the other hand, far less than half of the Democratic voters so far have voted for Bernie and and Hillary has a very favorable rating among most Democrats and left leaning independents. That's a fact. It is only a small faction on the far left which will not vote for her.

Also, many Democrats and left leaning independents will be very interested in ensuring that Trump never gets close to moving into the White House.

I think the problem you have is that you and those who you have talked to are not at all representative. All you have to go on anecdotal stories. In addition people under thirty always have the poorest voting turn out records.

But you know what, this discussion is rhetorical. Hillary will be the nominee, Bernie will not. What will happen going forward will happen regardless of what you or I think.

[azurnoir]

77. disapproval among who and where as I said it's primary season

and the Repukes will unite against a Clinton

[CajunBlazer]

78. And the country will be united against Trump

[azurnoir]

79. sounds ah hopeful to me

[ibegurpard]

87. It's laughable

And it's based upon a sterotupe they have about the people who support Trump. They travel in circles of people who can't imagine how anyone could support him. They are foolish. They should be very afraid.

[gabeana]

47. Sweet n/t

[Cryptoad]

49. Will Bern sell,,,

the stolen HRC data to the Trump?

[azurnoir]

51. according to a USA Today clickety click poll? well if it gives you comfort go for it

[Jitter65]

54. Is there enough room for them under the bus? nt

[LovingA2andMI]

56. No, they won't...

They will sit this election out.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are plotting their next move to stop Trump and keep things the way they always have ran in the GOP. The next GOP nominee will be a part of the last GOP nomination ticket, in 2012.

[SunSeeker]

57. K & R

[Wibly]

58. Corporate Poll

From a corporate shill of a newspaper, makes claim in favour of Hillary.
Why am I not surprised.

There will be a widespread movement calling on Sanders to run as an independent should he be defeated by the super delegates.

Remember, Sander's money is coming almost entirely from individuals, and he has broad support outside the Dem establishment. All he would have to do to stop any hope of a Clinton Presidency is run as an Independent.

The DNC should be treading very carefully, and the Clinton supporters should stop their vitriol right now. It could hurt them. They need to be real nice to Mr. Sanders.

[HockeyMom]

60. Millennial daughter (Sanders supporter) is going around

telling everyone she knows, including on the Net, what Trump said to me when I met him back when we were young adults in NYC.

Think she will just sit home, not vote for Hillary, and let this de"spic"able man get elected? THIS Granny will do everything she can to not see a President Trump, including voting and encouraging everyone to vote for HILLARY. Call me a(Sanders) traitor if you will, but I am a DEMOCRAT first and foremost, and so are my Millennial and Gen X daughters, and their spouses.

[stupidicus]

61. the fear of rightwingnuttery card is not to be underestimated

it has figured prominently in 3rdway political theatre from the beginning

just another way they are like the rightwing cousins they collaborate with

[davidthegnome]

63. This millenial concurs.

I would absolutely support Clinton against Trump. I would much rather have Sanders as my nominee... but Trump VS almost ANY democrat? I'm damn sure voting for the democrat. Hell, I'd vote for almost anyone over Trump or Cruz. Two of the biggest assholes on the planet, IMO.

I'm not crazy about Clinton, but I will do everything in my power to prevent a Trump Presidency, should it come to that.

[PatrynXX]

65. I'd hope so

but I have my doubts. I'll keep my lips tight for now.

[AlbertCat]

66. Vote poll finds a way for Hillary Clinton to solve her generation gap:

Hold your damn nose again and vote for the lesser of....

[2banon]

68. "Flock" is not a term I would use to describe what the Millennials Might do in the General.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. These kinds of polls are misleading.

[whatchamacallit]

73. More like a massive no-show n/t

[ChiciB1]

75. Been Talking With TWO Bernie Groups For Several Hours Today...

Have to say THE FIGHT IS STILL STRONG! And there's a general consensus that I've thought about for quite some time now. WE just do not understand why it is that Bernie has rallies that attract many thousands of people AND THAT he continually raises money after each election. AND yet for some reason this phenomena doesn't transfer over to voting. It's hard to explain WHY so he has THE ENTHUSIASM going for him, his positive number are so much better than Hillary's, she's viewed as a person who will change her position simply to garner support and most importantly she's been shown to LIE so much of the time and there's evidence showing this within hours or less. Too many simply don't really have confidence that she'll change much and no matter what she's saying now and have no doubt she's going to RULE much differently than what's she hawking about now. She's giving Bernie speeches these days and her supporters aren't even able to recognize this simple fact.

Hard to mesh this against her ability to win. None of us have a good answer to this, BUT there's something else we've begun to feel and the reason we WON'T stop our support and work for Bernie. There IS A FEELING, whether it comes out or not that something big could very well happen that will UNVEIL the real Hillary. Bernie keeps talking about the transcripts and this is an issue that hasn't gone away and I think there MUST be something there. The question is WHY? There's almost 7 months to go.

It's OUR job to keep donating and supporting Bernie. This is no time for giving up because he has done something NONE of our current elected officials have had the cohones to do for many, many years. Even if he doesn't become the nominee HIS MESSAGE and HIS MOVEMENT is very much ALIVE!

He may not have won yesterday, but he still gained delegates and he's still says HE'S NOT GOING AWAY!

Just wanted to relate what I've heard so far today and it's helped me feel SO MUCH BETTER! Keep Feelin' The Bern, and we may not HAVE TO vote for a person most of us feel doesn't represent what we feel deep in our bones.

There IS A REASON BERNIE has come to us now. Maybe it's as simple as resurrecting DEMOCRACY in America!

[Impedimentus]

80. "Millennials would flock to Clinton" Sorry to inform you that millennials aren't geese.

Or sparrows.

[Lorien]

81. Once again the mainstream media attempts to create the reality that they want

they couldn't be more wrong. No one will flock to Hillary. I know of many independent Brnie supporters who would jump to Trump, though.

This is an anti-establishment year, and you can't win against an anti-establishment candidate with the ultimate establishment candidate.

[onecaliberal]

84. my daughter who is volunteering for Bernie, said he's the only one who reporesent her generation.

They'll stay home.

[Impedimentus]

86. Yes they will

You nailed it.

[blueniteflower]

92. preference does not equal votes

I prefer Hillary to Trump just like other Millennials, but that does not equal to a vote for her at the voting booth. I'm not personally staying home because I need to vote for our down ticket, but I know many who are not motivated to go to the polls.