Sanders campaign chief really did mention flipping non-Superdelegates (So did HRC in 2008)

[Godhumor]

On "Path Forward" call, Sanders strategist Tad Devine notes pledged delegates are not always obligated to vote as pledged...

https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/710205488411967488

Um, wow. That is not cool.

Edit: further context. Apparently he is referencing that state laws can't bind pledged delegates to vote for who the people selected. Yeah, this is low.

On edit: won't self-delete but Atomic Kitten posted evidence HRC did as well in 2008 , so I can fault Tad as much as I would like to. WTF would either be thinking to note this fact? Just not a good look.

[still_one]

1. Do we have a MSM media outlet reporting this?

[Godhumor]

6. Seitz-Wald is the MSNBC reporter covering the Dem race n/t

[still_one]

55. ok, thanks

[cosmicone]

2. Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine are slimeballs

I bet they are drawing $500K in salaries and milking the cow as long as they can.

I just hope Bernie is not left with a huge campaign debt.

[Renew Deal]

3. Devine has been involved in presidential campaigns almost every cycle for a long time and never won

[cosmicone]

9. Oh - so it is a long running scam! n/t

[riversedge]

22. The clown makes a living by losing. What a setup.

[MoonRiver]

35. Seriously, you care?

He hired those slime balls, knows exactly what they're doing and is apparently a ok with it. If he's left with debt it is entirely his fault and I won't shed a tear

[CalvinballPro]

60. Do campaigns have to report staff salaries? I also suspect that Devine is living the high life...

...through the funds of Bernie's small donors. I'd love to see what he decided to have Bernie pay him when he tricked Sanders into running.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. and if you read 3 tweets down

Which you didn't cause it would make your op wrong...

[Godhumor]

8. Nope, this is a specific comment on pledged delegates

I thought the same thing, but that is not supers.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. as i said, they are not trying, op is wrong

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Alex Seitz-Wald ‏@aseitzwald 2h2 hours ago
Devine says campaign does not "at the moment" plan to try to flip Clinton delegates to Sanders, but notes that it is technically possible.

[Godhumor]

13. You just posted the follow up that shows he is thinking about it

The comment should have never been uttered in the first place.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. same exact thing Hillary's campaign said in 2008 nt

[geek tragedy]

17. Hillary's 2008 campaign team was a bunch of dirty losers. Bernie apparently surrounded

himself with a similar group of dirty losers, like Tad Devine and Weaver.

[Godhumor]

20. Do please link to her campaign noting that in 2008

Would love to see it.

[AtomicKitten]

27. @ 1:43 she says "the same" - i.e. mind changing - "is true for pledged delegates"

[Godhumor]

32. I'll be damned.

Then that sucks that both said it. Will update the OP.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. here

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/clinton-seeks-flip-pledged-delegates

[geek tragedy]

14. so they're merely contemplating trying to steal the election at a later date? nt

[JonLeibowitz]

5. I don't know the context, though -- was he talking about after the first ballot @ convention?

[JaneyVee]

7. Tad and Jeff destroyed Bernie.

Bernie deserved better than those 2 condescending idiots with a vendetta.

[Starry Messenger]

19. +1

[MohRokTah]

29. Yep, it was a poor choice by the candidate. eom

[restorefreedom]

48. jeff has served bernie well. tad, not so much. nt

[geek tragedy]

11. Tad Devine is a dumb version of Mark Penn nt

[72DejaVu]

26. Dumber

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Tad Devine want to keep cashing those pay checks, wouldn't you?

[geek tragedy]

15. lots of $27 donations going to line his pockets nt

[Renew Deal]

23. Nice to see you around.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Jesus said...

"Better to be cast into the sea with a millstone around your neck than to lead one of my little ones astray."

[Gothmog]

18. I was amazed at this proposed course of action also

There is very little chance that Sanders will be able to flip any super delegates but that is all that he has left

[Godhumor]

21. This is about flipping pledged delegates from the primaries and caucuses

Not even supers.

[Gothmog]

42. That will be even harder to do

I am considering strongly trying to be a delegate to the National Convention and was on the rules committee at the last state convention. I also had to read the Texas Democratic Party rules and delegate selection process for the Clinton Victory Counsel program. I am the chairman of the rules committee and parliamentarian for my county convention on Saturday.

The candidate has final approval right over pledged delegates. To qualify to be a delegate to the national convention, you will be vetted at a number of different levels including with the candidate having a veto right. The people who will be selected will be strong democrats who are not likely to flip. The democratic party in Texas has a good mechanism for vetting delegates and the people who selected are strong democrats. I have only been very active for ten or 15 years in county party and state party politics and there is a good chance that I will not be selected even though I am a maxed out Clinton primary donor.

The fact that the Sanders people think that they can flip a significant number of pledged delegates is amusing but unlikely. I will check with the state party to see if an unfaithful delegate can be removed

[Kip Humphrey]

24. How is stating a fact low? Are there high facts and low facts? I didn't know.

[geek tragedy]

25. Hillary stating that Bobby Kennedy got shot was an example of stating a fact in such

a manner that it would be low.

"Nice car you got there. Pity if anything happened to it."

[Kalidurga]

31. There will be pledged delegates that flip. A whole lot of them.

You don't need to believe me for me, I couldn't give a rip. Just watch. Watch what happens in April.

[geek tragedy]

33. Still hoping for the Indictment Fairy to pay us a visit? nt

[Kalidurga]

34. Nope I don't need no stinking indictment

I don't care about no stinking emails either. Her fingers are all over something much more dirty than that. So, enjoy this time while you can.

[geek tragedy]

36. I'm sure your sources are impeccable. lol, nt

[Kalidurga]

38. Doesn't matter history is what it is.

[geek tragedy]

39. lol, so is your source Breitbart or Ms CLeo? nt

[Kalidurga]

40. No my source is history, you know things that were written in newspapers

things that were sourced in books and documentaries. Keep on being rude and snide I don't care. Phony people have that effect on me or rather that non effect. But, hey if you want to keep playing soon my source will come to light. Only in my time not just cuz you wanna see what I got right the fuck now. However see my sig line for a preview. That darn RW Salon was a source. And that well known RW rag of the north the Ottawa Citizen. And we all know Kelly Duda was a right wing hack out to get the Clintons. So no tainted blood really came from prisons while under his watch. Oh and don't look at your tv in April.

[geek tragedy]

43. you mean that decades old story where Hillary had no involvement?

Very sad to see Bernie partisans attempting to exploit a tragedy like this for crass political ends.

AIDS should not be a football used like this is a game.

[Kalidurga]

53. No involvement, you really believe she didn't help Bill with his lawsuit.

Do you really believe she should have been so silent about the abuse that happened in prisons under his watch. Really you believe that. AND FWI don't talk about my uncle being a football, it will only make your life around me much harder. Just an FYI.

[geek tragedy]

56. She was First Lady, not Director of Corrections. nt

[Kalidurga]

57. She IS a lawyer. She IS married to Bill Clinton.

She did benefit from large donations from Richard Mays. Trust me you don't want me to continue, so I won't for now. PS don't look at your tv in April.

[geek tragedy]

58. I do want you to continue. You're just proving you got nothing

Please proceed. Please tell us what magic rabbit you're hoping to pull out of your hat.

Hate isn't a substitute for facts.

[Kalidurga]

61. I know what facts do you have again?

Oh I know Hillary is an accomplished woman. Unless there is a scandal that she might have been involved in and then she is "just the wife". I see right through you.

[geek tragedy]

62. this sounds like the Berner version of the whitey tape nt

[lunamagica]

47. So you want the party to pick the candidate, instead of the voters?

What happened to "the will of the people"?

[Kalidurga]

54. Nope I want people to be full aware of what they are choosing.

[Dsocialoutcast99]

37. SUPERDELEGATES SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED YET-

THEY ARE NOT PLEDGED DELEGATES! READ WIKIPEDIA OR SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS PLEDGED DELEGATES AS PROPORTIONATE TO DISTRICTS POPLULATION. A SUPER DELEGATE IS A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNER, SENATOR, CONGRESSMAN, ALL X PRESITDENTS, (EVEN BILL)...AND VICE PRESIDENTS.

THEY ARE NOT REALLY PERMITTED TO VOTE UNTIL AUGUST! SOME MAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS, SOME HAVEN'T MADE UP THEIR MINDS YET. BUT IF SOMEONE WITH SUPER STATIS COMES OUT PUBLICLY FOR 1 OR ANOTHER CANDIDATE, THE POLLS COUNT THEM, BUT...THEY CAN'T UNTIL THE CONVENTION!

I PERSONALLY DO NOT THINK THIS IS FAIR.

BUT 'PLEDGED DELEGATES' DO HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE CANDITATE WITH POPLULAR VOTE FOR THEIR DISTRICT.

[Kalidurga]

41. Oh dear you are new. It's okay...you are correct, but...

A lot of us older posters have been saying this for a couple of weeks now and all caps really isn't going to make them any more likely to be able to understand what you are saying.

[Gothmog]

44. The National convention is in July and it is appropriate to count super delegates at any stage

[tarheelsunc]

45. Trying to flip pledged delegates is WAY worse than winning via superdelegates.

This would be an active subversion of the will of the people and I hope Bernie and his supporters are principled enough to denounce this.

[riversedge]

46. comical toon on a Bernie fan realizing what has happened

TWEET:
dee flaherty ‏@Deemoney521 7m7 minutes ago

Seems NOW BS thinks he can flip Super Delegates after bad mouthing Democrats and PBO for weeks?? Comical.#IMWithHer

[restorefreedom]

50. its gonna be a while,

before i get tired of seeing this lol

[restorefreedom]

49. until i hear it from bernie himself, i am not going to give it any credence

more politics, posturing bullshit.

[riversedge]

51. So Bernies campaign manager is "posturing bullshirt"??

[restorefreedom]

52. i thought that was one of the primary jobs of campaign managers

not snark. arent they basically paid attack dogs/strategists?

perhaps i have a cynical view of modern politics.....

[CalvinballPro]

59. Yeah, remember how Clinton flipped so many pledged delegates in 2008 and won the primary? Oh, right

Clinton is running Obama's 2008 playbook, while Sanders is now running Clinton's. I'm pretty sure we all know how that turned out.