2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI see we all are suffering from some horrible amnesia
This primary has been long and hard.
Many are now suffering from selective amnesia and wondering why people seem upset and why perhaps many of us are looking forward to Bernie Dropping out of the race.
Quite a few of us are ready to focus on the general election.
I'm at a point where I want to either move on to fighting republicans, or getting some resolution to the horrific treatment of blacks during this campaign.
Not only do we have the Donald on the right inciting violence and giving the KKK another 15 minutes of fame, but we have on the left many who marginalize us in other ways. The endless swarms dedicated to 'correcting the record' on Bernie, morphed into a thing called Berniebros.
Now that the inevitable end of Bernie's campaign looms, we have many who are now trying to say none if it ever happened. That Berniebros do not exist. That we are all imagining things or making stuff up. Calling it a meme.
Well, let me help you with that. They exist. It doesn't matter what cutesy name somebody might come up with to describe them. They are not just men, either.
Watching these people call us ignorant, uninformed, LOW INFORMATION VOTERS, stockholm syndrome victims, tell us about WELFARE a billion times, seance MLK day after day, quote Cornell West, name drop Killer Mike, say we don't understand Bernie becuse we lack internet (im on the internet now), call us master/servant class, say the south doesn't count (ya know, where a BUNCH of us live and vote), call us race baiters for discussing race, murder facebook pages and swarm black twitter, marginalize BLM and call them thugs, I FIND IT SHOCKING THAT THEY CANNOT REMEMBER ANY OF THIS STUFF HAPPENING.
Anyways. Just my thoughts on this. Hopefully Bernie will finally notice how terrible we have been treated and come fight for our rights and stuff. Or to least say sorry and ask them to stop. Although, it has been going on so long I doubt he would say much since he has had months to speak on it.
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Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We're in it till the END. Get over it already. Go Bernie. Beat the liars and cheaters. And say he's sorry? For what? For holding up voters while soliciting for his wife. They need to apologize not Bernie.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
griffi94
(3,733 posts)he didn't get the most votes or the most delegates lol.
But, besides not getting the most votes or winning the most states or being awarded the most delegates
then Bernie won hands down.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)others with convincing appearance of sincerity, would that induce amnesia? Make him okay? How many seconds would he have to budget for an apology? 30? 72? 300? Would longer be more sincere?
I do believe Sanders is not a racist as we usually think of them, but just one powerful example -- his actively arranging to ship Vermont's nuclear waste to that impoverished, disempowered Texas community -- reveals an enormous truth about Sanders, unspecified, but nevertheless as real as any truth can be.
Personally, I don't want his apology and wouldn't believe it.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)firewall. If she were out of the way, all discussion of emails, her, etc, would be dropped. Instead, intense, hostile attention would be aimed at Sanders and everyone would be speaking about this on every station and every site every day. Senator Sanders cosponsored this legislation disposing of Vermont's nuclear waste outside Vermont and actively worked to get it passed.
Btw, Bravenak, glad you're back, although in very real ways you never left of course. 
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)
MADem
(135,425 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,957 posts)
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Your OP was sort of tragic.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Woo Hoo. Go Bernie!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,957 posts)Especially considering how many times bravenak has been stalked by Sanders supporters who have abused the jury system. That's why Skinner ended the time outs for five hides.
That's the reason I have you on my jury blacklist.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)supporters. Most of the alerts here are made by Clinton supporters. Those that get banned are never Clinton supporters. We've been bullied for a long time. Skinner let the bullies out of jail and told them they wouldn't be punished if they got hides and they are taking advantage. It's isn't a surprise that those that choose the Big and Powerful Wealthy to side with would be the bullies.
Sen Sanders and we are fighting hard to save our democracy and those among us that are suffering. I know many personally. Those that you seem to be able to ignore. You have the money on your side and the powerful, but sooner or later we will prevail.
The Clintons and their $150,000,000 from graft represent the American Aristocracy. You are on the wrong side of this class war. But I understand, it takes empathy to fight for those suffering. You do know that the wealthy that you revere so much, don't really care about you.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,957 posts)
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Tanuki
(14,918 posts)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I'm still pissed. 
Many slips were in full sight on that day.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)Proud to have been Juror #1.......Disgusted by Jurors 2-6
On Sat Feb 27, 2016, 03:58 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Here's why we should ignore SC vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511355553
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Personally insults an entire state and their Democratic voters.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Feb 27, 2016, 04:06 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Feel The Bern......Of being hidden for insulting thousands of Democratic voters
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a stupid alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: SC is not a blue state, it's generally backward and full of racists. Facts are facts.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I have relatives in SC and travel extensively there. I have yet to meet a mean South Carolinian.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)racist. That's fucking priceless, wtg BernieBros.
Number23
(24,544 posts)
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)People are either clueless or are still so into the Hillary vs Sanders war here that they can't be open-minded. What's sad is these are supposed progressives. What does that say about this site and racism in this country?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Does Clinton vote in all the countries she's helped destroy?
Do you vote there?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Those of us who told them to shut up and apologized a million times don't think like that. We really are the vast majority! That's all I can do. Really. I wish I could do more, but I can't.
I hope everybody on both sides will realize that people have been treated poorly. People have inferred negative things about me. A few people have called me names. The overwhelming majority of people on both sides have behaved well.
I don't even care if you think that Bernie has 0% chance to win (I think he's got about a 1% chance to win, to be honest. Would need a miracle) I think we have to agree to disagree on who was the better candidate and get behind WHOEVER.
That last part doesn't seem to be easy for anybody, but lest of all the side most likely to win feels like they are getting an unfair deal. They think that because they won, they should get all the spoils. Perhaps that's so, but I don't change my convictions and you shouldn't either.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Ignoring the marginalization of groups that are already marginalized makes me feel he is distant and does not have my back. He should have said something. It would have built trust.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)You've been talking about stuff that's been happening here at DU. I suspect Bernie is only peripherally aware this place exists, if at all. It makes no sense at all to hold him responsible for douche-y behavior here.
If you're talking about things said/done else where, you're going to have to be more specific.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Look. They sent mail to my home. Found all of my social media accounts and hrassed me. Found my email, bugged me there too. Put everything on private. All the websites discussing politics, blacks websites be spammed, black twitter harassed, BLM harassed, john lewis harassed, Dolores huerta harassed, it goes on and on even in person they WILL ASK ME IF I WANT WELFARE as an ice breaker, probably because many think us blacks are attracted to the idea.
If it was just du i could log out. I'm in school too. The swarms of upper middle class kids lecturing the few black folks here on CIVIL RIGHTS AND MLK is just to damn much. He needs to check his peeps.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'm not sure how Bernie could have even been aware of any of that stuff, much less stopped it...but I'm appalled at what happened to you, personally. That's fucked up...no other way to put it. I can't really say I've experienced anything like that for my race, but I suspect we've similar experiences from the female perspective (I seem to remember people referring to you with the feminine pronoun...). The insulting assumptions, the condescension, the mansplaining...you know the score.
So very sorry you have to deal with that shit. Politics brings out the worst in some people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Both? Honestly I never ever thought I'd see this kinda stuff in my life from the left and it has changed me from being ideoligically rigid to being more big tent.
I sent him texts and messages and messages to his campaign and thom hartmann and everybody else, tweeted him and facebooked him. If he did not know it is not because nobody was telling him. That is why I feel this way. Because I was sure if he was told he'd speak out but he dissapointed me. So I blame his staff. I really think that his main staff is why he has these Issues. Either they will not tell him or they do not tell him how bad things are. They get paid very well to keep his campaign going.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)The Lefts Donald Trump..
marew
(1,588 posts)Have you really been that oblivious to what the Hillary supporters have said and done on here? How nasty and name calling they have been? They are so like their Hillary! They have accomplished one thing however. They have made absolutely positively sure that I will never vote for Hillary under any circumstances! No way, no how! I will leave that space on the ballot blank!
Hillary has said she needs to do a lot of work to appeal to Independent voters but she has no comprehension that 15% of Democrats have said they will never vote for Hillary! Ever!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)The first comment I ever made on a Hillary group, a very, very mild comment, I was instantaneously banned, called names, told me I'm stupid (I have an MS with honors), they said absolutely horrible things about Bernie, cursed at me, and on and on. They have made sure, absolutely sure, I will never, ever vote for Hillary!
You are fortunate to have escaped their wrath.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)to that?
marew
(1,588 posts)Been told all you people are ignorant, stupid, dumb, get out of here, cursed at, and on and on!
It you want to deny everything, go ahead. I am sure you are convinced nothing like that ever happens on here! I no longer care. None are so blind as those who will not see!
But I will tell you, Hillary is going to lose a lot of voters because of the extreme rhetoric on here. I do not know one person who is going to vote for Hillary- she is expected to lose about 15% of Democratic voters who will write in a candidate or not vote at all, the majority of Independents don't like her, and about 20% of Democrats are expected to vote GOP.
It will be an interesting year, and outside of this place, a significant number of pundits believe both Hillary and Trump are horrible candidates. I completely agree. I used to like Hillary but after I saw what here, NO WAY!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)happened. It proves that it absolutely did not happen.
She. Nan. I. Gans.
Of course I made only one post in the Hillary group! I NEVER said otherwise!
I CLEARLY listed the FIRST problem was the Hillary group where I was quickly banned for telling the multiply documented truth! From then on it went down hill! In my list of what I experienced here after that Clinton supporters broke in MULTIPLE times on MULTIPLE days calling names, saying all kinds of nasty, horrible stuff to ME and EVERYONE involved!
You have to disparage me to preserve your personal fantasy that no Clinton supporter HAS EVER called an ENTIRE GROUP, me and many other people, horrible nasty names! Keep believing that! Its called cognitive dissonance for the purpose of self-justification!
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)You're casting asparagus.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)Yes, I made a comment and the joke going around at the time she got it was it was was a fake job! She was sent to Africa to observe elephant and did an interview with the Geico gecko! Wow! That must have been difficult!
If you want to believe Chelsea got this job as most likely the highest paid reporter in the world because of her amazing interview skills, go ahead! LOL!
Reality check!
Why did NBC reportedly pay Chelsea Clinton $600,000 a year?
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-why-did-nbc-pay-chelsea-clinton-20140616-column.html
NBC's hiring of Chelsea Clinton as a "special correspondent" in its news division was widely recognized as an exercise in corporate cynicism when it was announced in November 2011.
Now a price tag has been hung on that scandal, with Politico's reporting that Clinton has been paid a salary of $600,000. The network hasn't confirmed the figure, but it hasn't denied it either, and responded to Politico's questions by asserting that it "continues to enjoy a wonderful working relationship with Chelsea, and we are proud of her work."
It's that last part that's particularly head-scratching, for as a news correspondent for NBC, Clinton hasn't done anything to be proud of. Quite the contrary. The disclosure raises the obvious question of NBC's goal in giving a person without any measurable journalistic or broadcasting experience or any particular public following a high-profile job and apparently paying her a top-echelon salary.
The answer is equally obvious. Plainly, it was done to curry favor with the Clinton family.
Matters went downhill from there. Clinton did a couple more uplifting pieces about people "making a difference," then suddenly, like water finding its own level, she was down to fawning celebrity profiles.
She told us how Stella McCartney, the fashion designer daughter of Paul McCartney, has "taken tremendous risks for her principles, including making clear to Gucci from the beginning she would not work with leather." There was an interview with young-adult author Judy Blume, who with 80 million books in print surely was in desperate need of the spotlight that only Chelsea Clinton and "Rock Center" could train on her.
Last April came the scraping of the bottom, an utterly canned interview with GEICO's trademark gecko, the segment dressed up as "a look at some of the most popular television advertisements." A hiring that started out as merely cynical had become its own parody.
Chelsea Clinton Leaving Her Unbelievably Cushy Fake Job at NBC
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/chelsea-clinton-leaving-her-fake-job-at-nbc.html
Chelsea Clinton is Quitting Her $600,000/Year NBC "Reporter" Job
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-29/chelsea-clinton-quitting-her-600000year-nbc-reporter-job
Shortly after it was revealed by Politico that NBC had stooped to new lows in favoritist nepotism, having paid Chelsea Clinton an annual salary of $600,000 for "occasional" reporting work, in effect making her one of the highest paid if not the highest paid "reporter" in the world, the former first daughter quickly stunned everyone when, in the aftermath of her mother's just as stunning commentary on personal wealth and what being "broke" in the New Normal apparently means, she stated rhetorically that "I was curious if I could care about money and I couldn't."
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)said horrible things about Bernie, or on or on or on.
You're being, at best hyperbolic.
marew
(1,588 posts)Time after time after time Clinton people came in on conversations and out of the blue called EVERYONE in peaceful conversations horrible, nasty, outrageous names. You all are this, you all are that. I have NEVER, EVER been disparaged like this in my entire life! I NEVER observed or experienced anything like this! Hyperbole? Right! More like deny, deny, deny! EVERY Clinton supporter behaves perfectly appropriate at ALL times!
You will say anything to excuse the vitriol that goes on here every single day! Do whatever you need to do to justify you presumed superiority! Numerous, numerous others who are honest witnessed and experienced exactly what I did.
I will never understand how anyone with any sense of decency can refute what goes on here regularly!
What color is the sky in YOUR world?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)you are able to link to all kinds of stuff. Just not to the posts you claim that said you are "ignorant, stupid, dumb, get out of here, cursed at, and on and on!"
marew
(1,588 posts)Call people names, tell them their stupid, all of it. Any time anyone says anything negative about Hillary, anyone who participated in the conversation was dissed big time!
Get a grip!
You are all stupid, ignorant, lots of abuse, on and on and on.
REALITY CHECK!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)Practically any time several of us were attempting to have civil conversation, we were ALL collectively trashed. You all are this, that, all kinds of nasty horribly outrageous stuff. Our ENTIRE group was called out. The ABUSE was after I was blocked! DUH!
I blocked because, I believe, because of a Chelsea comment! She made $600,000 a year for a fake job and you guys could not handle it.
Yes, I made a comment and the joke going around at the time she got it was it was was a fake job! She was sent to Africa to observe elephant and did an interview with the Geico gecko! Wow! That must have been difficult!
If you want to believe Chelsea got this job as most likely the highest paid reporter in the world because of her amazing interview skills, go ahead! LOL!
Reality check!
Why did NBC reportedly pay Chelsea Clinton $600,000 a year?
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-why-did-nbc-pay-chelsea-clinton-20140616-column.html
NBC's hiring of Chelsea Clinton as a "special correspondent" in its news division was widely recognized as an exercise in corporate cynicism when it was announced in November 2011.
Now a price tag has been hung on that scandal, with Politico's reporting that Clinton has been paid a salary of $600,000. The network hasn't confirmed the figure, but it hasn't denied it either, and responded to Politico's questions by asserting that it "continues to enjoy a wonderful working relationship with Chelsea, and we are proud of her work."
It's that last part that's particularly head-scratching, for as a news correspondent for NBC, Clinton hasn't done anything to be proud of. Quite the contrary. The disclosure raises the obvious question of NBC's goal in giving a person without any measurable journalistic or broadcasting experience or any particular public following a high-profile job and apparently paying her a top-echelon salary.
The answer is equally obvious. Plainly, it was done to curry favor with the Clinton family.
Matters went downhill from there. Clinton did a couple more uplifting pieces about people "making a difference," then suddenly, like water finding its own level, she was down to fawning celebrity profiles.
She told us how Stella McCartney, the fashion designer daughter of Paul McCartney, has "taken tremendous risks for her principles, including making clear to Gucci from the beginning she would not work with leather." There was an interview with young-adult author Judy Blume, who with 80 million books in print surely was in desperate need of the spotlight that only Chelsea Clinton and "Rock Center" could train on her.
Last April came the scraping of the bottom, an utterly canned interview with GEICO's trademark gecko, the segment dressed up as "a look at some of the most popular television advertisements." A hiring that started out as merely cynical had become its own parody.
Chelsea Clinton Leaving Her Unbelievably Cushy Fake Job at NBC
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/chelsea-clinton-leaving-her-fake-job-at-nbc.html
Chelsea Clinton is Quitting Her $600,000/Year NBC "Reporter" Job
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-29/chelsea-clinton-quitting-her-600000year-nbc-reporter-job
Shortly after it was revealed by Politico that NBC had stooped to new lows in favoritist nepotism, having paid Chelsea Clinton an annual salary of $600,000 for "occasional" reporting work, in effect making her one of the highest paid if not the highest paid "reporter" in the world, the former first daughter quickly stunned everyone when, in the aftermath of her mother's just as stunning commentary on personal wealth and what being "broke" in the New Normal apparently means, she stated rhetorically that "I was curious if I could care about money and I couldn't."
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Nobody called you a name or told you that you are stupid or cursed at you or said horrible things about Bernie, or on or on or on.
I haven't done that to you, either. Yet you state (awkwardly) "You all are this, that, all kinds of nasty horribly outrageous stuff."
I think you need to take a step back and re-read some posts to which you are replying. There seems to be some rather massive distortion.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)well, the honorable thing would have been to stay out of a protected group if you wanted to spout anti Hillary propaganda. And then even more honorable would have been to be honest about your statement that your were called names in that thread that lead to your being banned from the Hillary group. You were not. And then even more honorable would have been to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to now divert your misleading statement into a new direction without any hint of supporting links.
marew
(1,588 posts)I CLEARLY said the ban was first and things went way downhill from there! What don't you get? It was after the ban (I VERY, VERY clearly listed the ban first!) that Clinton people jumped in so very, very many places out of the blue and called me and everyone involved in certain conversations horrible, nasty, outrageous names, cursed, and on and on. You are the one twisting things around! I have never been disparaged like that in my entire life. Of course, anyone in your world anyone who doesn't worship Hillary is evil! I was hardly dishonest in listing just some of the stuff I have experienced here! I have NEVER seen anything like it! Yup, I am the dishonest one! !
Yes, not only a Masters with honors but a full Fellowship at a major university. They even gave me a stipend for my living expenses so I could concentrate on my studies. I had multiple job offers when I left school. I was on a diagnostic team that including a number of professionals representing several disciplines. Whether you believe me or not, I do not care! I wrote a chapter in a book on education and was asked to serve on two county-wide committees. I am used to dealing with people who can remain civil even when they disagree. Boy, was this a wake-up call.
Truth is not propaganda!
Yes, I made a comment about Chelsea's fake job but I never used obscenities as were subsequently addressed to me and many others! The joke going around at the time Chelsea got the job was it was was a fake job! I did NOT pull that out of the air! She was sent to Africa to observe elephants and did an interview with the Geico gecko! Wow! That must have been difficult!
If you want to believe Chelsea got this job as most likely the highest paid reporter in the world because of her amazing interview skills, go ahead!
Reality check!
Why did NBC reportedly pay Chelsea Clinton $600,000 a year?
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-why-did-nbc-pay-chelsea-clinton-20140616-column.html
NBC's hiring of Chelsea Clinton as a "special correspondent" in its news division was widely recognized as an exercise in corporate cynicism when it was announced in November 2011.
Now a price tag has been hung on that scandal, with Politico's reporting that Clinton has been paid a salary of $600,000. The network hasn't confirmed the figure, but it hasn't denied it either, and responded to Politico's questions by asserting that it "continues to enjoy a wonderful working relationship with Chelsea, and we are proud of her work."
It's that last part that's particularly head-scratching, for as a news correspondent for NBC, Clinton hasn't done anything to be proud of. Quite the contrary. The disclosure raises the obvious question of NBC's goal in giving a person without any measurable journalistic or broadcasting experience or any particular public following a high-profile job and apparently paying her a top-echelon salary.
The answer is equally obvious. Plainly, it was done to curry favor with the Clinton family.
Matters went downhill from there. Clinton did a couple more uplifting pieces about people "making a difference," then suddenly, like water finding its own level, she was down to fawning celebrity profiles.
She told us how Stella McCartney, the fashion designer daughter of Paul McCartney, has "taken tremendous risks for her principles, including making clear to Gucci from the beginning she would not work with leather." There was an interview with young-adult author Judy Blume, who with 80 million books in print surely was in desperate need of the spotlight that only Chelsea Clinton and "Rock Center" could train on her.
Last April came the scraping of the bottom, an utterly canned interview with GEICO's trademark gecko, the segment dressed up as "a look at some of the most popular television advertisements." A hiring that started out as merely cynical had become its own parody.
Chelsea Clinton Leaving Her Unbelievably Cushy Fake Job at NBC
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/chelsea-clinton-leaving-her-fake-job-at-nbc.html
Chelsea Clinton is Quitting Her $600,000/Year NBC "Reporter" Job
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-29/chelsea-clinton-quitting-her-600000year-nbc-reporter-job
Shortly after it was revealed by Politico that NBC had stooped to new lows in favoritist nepotism, having paid Chelsea Clinton an annual salary of $600,000 for "occasional" reporting work, in effect making her one of the highest paid if not the highest paid "reporter" in the world, the former first daughter quickly stunned everyone when, in the aftermath of her mother's just as stunning commentary on personal wealth and what being "broke" in the New Normal apparently means, she stated rhetorically that "I was curious if I could care about money and I couldn't."
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)all of you fellowships and degrees does not turn a tall tale into the truth:
The first comment I ever made on a Hillary group, a very, very mild comment, I was instantaneously banned, called names, told me I'm stupid (I have an MS with honors), they said absolutely horrible things about Bernie, cursed at me, and on and on. They have made sure, absolutely sure, I will never, ever vote for Hillary!
You are fortunate to have escaped their wrath.
None of the things you said happened on the first and only comment you left at the Hillary group.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Personally, I have not seen the behavior you are speaking about coming from Hillary supporters. Most of us go out of our way to differentiate between the ones being truly nasty and actual BS supporters.
Can you please calm down a bit and link us to these many attacks so that we might get to the bottom of this? For now, you're the one that seems to be the one hurling insults at EVERYONE and without anything to back up what you are saying.
A true reality check would require some evidence, if what you say happened lets see who said what and in what context. Given how people have been assuming many identities around here, it might simply be GOP ratfuckers at play, but vague accusations don't get anyone anywhere.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I am in Oregon.. I have not voted yet and will not vote Bernie. No way no how and it has nothing to do with Bernie. It has to do with his peeps nastiness.
marew
(1,588 posts)I feel exactly the same! There is no excuse either way! I would not vote for Hillary under any circumstances for the same reason!
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)he has a better chance of beating trump than H.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)he'll do more for all of us,not just a few.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Did you run this by your pals in the Grumble first?
Pathetic that you've all had your special place to plan your ugly, nasty attacks and accusations to bring here and then play victim. Always. 
By MIRT and other members here. Deliberately targeting people because of so much hate - on a message board - it makes you wonder how they function in real life.
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Anti-Semitism, false claims of racism, sexism - every filthy thing you and your little mean girl gang could come up with was applied here to his supporters from day one. A whole crew whose single purpose was to spread filth -if it wasn't about Sanders himself, it was his supporters. And not a single fuck was given.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Deflection!!!
polly7
(20,582 posts)bullshit claims.
How would he even know of your secret planning place?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Wow.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)An attempt at character assassination in order to deflect the conversation away from brutal racism. Someone's character just took a big knock. It sure as hell wasn't yours.
Response to NCTraveler (Reply #111)
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lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)
Some folks seem to want to have amnesia in the very thread talking about amnesia! How utterly precious.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)
I see a PPR in a juror's future.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I didn't click all of your links, but here's another beaut in case you missed it:
I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.
Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.
Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 6 Comments
Fundie Index: 3
WTF?! || meh
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360
Why are Skinner, et al. turning a blind eye to the toxicity brought to DU?
840high
(17,196 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I don't understand.
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)Do you ever hear yourself type?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)And busy. Lol. So they seem everywhere. I have been kicked off so much from a board I have used over a decade, because though civil, it opposed Sanders and majority rules. I came back this time ready to express without majority having the ability to silence me. I don't know if I am done yet with my less than sensitive posts. I hope I work it out of me soon. But a Sanders supporter friend came into one of my threads and I felt bad my happy dance in her loss. She is a good woman and I do not want her to feel bad.
I hope most stay out of GDP.
But the hardest thing with this primary is people I always rallied with on the same side of the street are now on the other sidyour post was refreshing. Thank you for reminding me of our better selves.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"Those of us who told them to shut up and apologized a million times don't think like that. We really are the vast majority!"
Not dismissing one word bravenak said and you didn't either.
"I hope everybody on both sides will realize that people have been treated poorly. People have inferred negative things about me."
I have been called sexist, racist, anti-Semitic, etc.. It pales in comparison to what is being discussed. Not trying to be aggressive or rude.
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)
kath
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)there's no need to continue dividing POC from progressives to get your candidate the nomination. Been nice knowing you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You just made that up
leveymg
(36,418 posts)All in one sentence with Trump and the KKK. You can't worm out if this. What a shitty thing to say. Thanks a lot.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Testing the redrawn boundaries tonight, aren't we?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)is coming from, as if the daily posts, attacks and disgusting comments are not "wrongs" themselves.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)That's projection on your part. Which happens often here and in real life as well.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Certainly not the one you claimed.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)of a dying meme of primary season dirty tricks, 2016. So much starch, almost no wrinkles.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)when another poster expresses an opinion you don't like. What's next? The 'cone of silence'?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I am humbled.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)You're batting two for two!
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Why are we typing in metaphors. Let's just say what we really think. The OP is a provocateur. It does this place no good and brings no light to the issues. What is your take on her?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)is that many of my black friends here, not just bravenak, have been treated with patronizing condescension by some on the self-described left. I would like it to stop and won't shut up about it until it does.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Let's face it, this place can be like a Junior HS lunch room. All cliques and insecure factions. Not a lot of boys seem to be able to resist flinging English Muffin pizzas, and the girls just try to look so tough. Some seem to make a big deal about feeling persecuted. But they just envy the bullies.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Things got better in High School. Good night.
marew
(1,588 posts)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It's really super clear that "KKK" was connected to Donald Trump.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)The OP did no such thing. This is just a nasty personal attack.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:41 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sounds like a misunderstanding that can be worked out. Talking it out instead of hiding sounds like the healthy alternative for long-term harmony.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I refuse to hide a post where someone may have misinterpreted what someone else wrote. Educate and help your fellow community members instead of having an itchy alert finger.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: IMHO, the alert should be on this divisive, disingenuous OP.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I find the OP to be more offensive. It is a sweeping attack on Bernie and his supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this post is deserved. the OP is incredibly divisive, offensive and seeks conflict and attention.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Thanks for equating the Left with the KKK. I'm sure you'll go away again for good, once
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1520012
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
The OP did no such thing. This is just a nasty personal attack.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:41 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sounds like a misunderstanding that can be worked out. Talking it out instead of hiding sounds like the healthy alternative for long-term harmony.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I refuse to hide a post where someone may have misinterpreted what someone else wrote. Educate and help your fellow community members instead of having an itchy alert finger.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: IMHO, the alert should be on this divisive, disingenuous OP.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I find the OP to be more offensive. It is a sweeping attack on Bernie and his supporters.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this post is deserved. the OP is incredibly divisive, offensive and seeks conflict and attention.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Response to chervilant (Reply #36)
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riversedge
(70,208 posts)
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)
And a Big K&R
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I feel better now. 
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)sick attempt to absolve the left from any responsibility for its failings and pretends that ideologies inoculate them from engaging in harm.
The victim-blaming is off the charts. Why is it so hard for Sanders supporters to accept that there are problematic people among them?
“To their credit, Sanders campaign people are finally acknowledging the problem,” she said. “BernieBro ‘truthers’ aren’t helping them, and that’s also a disservice to all the Sanders supporters who are wonderful and thoughtful.”
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2016/02/22/yes-progressives-berniebro-problem/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)People need to read it
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Isn't it hilarious how righteous BernieBros are?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1517429
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Divisive, broad brush attack of the type that will make unity this fall much harder.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:51 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Again, the implied racism by labelling a person a "BernieBro" must stop. It's wrong and deliberately provocative and against Skinner's new directive. Just stop the smears
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Camp Hillary's sudden calls to have Bernie drop out betray a nervousness about the road ahead.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511518550
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This post is a direct lie and has no link to substantiate it's claim.
the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Silly post, and incorrect assertion, but it'e not attacking anyone.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Geez, why was this harmless post alerted?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter, what is the "direct" lie? Where is the TOS that says a poster cannot state his or her opinion? Bad faith alert.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see where the lie occurs here, honestly, nor why the post would require a link. Doesn't seem to imply that there is an official HRC position, just a poster airing an opinion or impression. Vote to leave it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ridiculous alert. It's an opinion, not a lie.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)It must be so hard being able to run around posting whatever bullshit they see fit & yet still play the persecuted victim card.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)
Cha
(297,196 posts)on that sucker.. you broke no TOS. they just didn't like what you had to say.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And sadly it would have been hidden just a few days ago. So hats off to Skinner for freeing this place for real discussion again.
Thank you for posting this.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Which is fucking sad
zappaman
(20,606 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)that one was nice as well.
Autumn
(45,072 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)But I want them to know I know what they fuck they did was wrong as fuck
Autumn
(45,072 posts)or focusing on the GE? Okay have a nice evening.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts) bravenak
(34,648 posts)I was thinkin it
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)He's a potent weapon. The Hillary campaign needs to get started as soon as possible concentrating on challenging voter suppression laws in key states. Sanders can't withstand the stampede forever. Perhaps, after the New York primary would be a good time to tip his hat to Hillary.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We need a coalition pounding at them day after day.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)AND openly not knowing or even caring about the candidate's policies IS THE DEFINITION OF A LOW INFORMATION VOTER
it's the DNC's delegate mechanisms that make the South not count--because, y'know, it doesn't vote Democrat
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The superiority of BSS is so awesome. It must feel good to be so much smarter than those of us in the majority.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too." - Hillary Clinton
"AIDS is a disease of the Reagan-Bush years. The first case was detected in 1981, but it took 40,000 deaths and seven years for Ronald Reagan to say the word "AIDS." It's five years later, 70,000 more dead and George Bush doesn't talk about AIDS, much less do anything about it."- Bob Hattoy addressing the Convention that nominated Bill Clinton for President.
Amnesia.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)you're helping Bernie by trying to hijack this discussion.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)public display of amnesia. I'm interested in real world political events, not meta DU dramatics. I'm interested in what candidates say far more than the gossip their supporters engage in. We all have our priorities.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)out of partisan fervor. But feel free to pretend wr can't see that.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Here is the thing. You have to be able to understand what brave is saying. I'm not saying to agree with every word in her op. Just show some empathy. They have been the direct target of brutal racism. Don't dismiss that because of the bigotry we have witnessed.
I know that isn't your intention. It's anger. Pretty justifiable considering some of the justification that recently happened. Some from people I respect. It fucking sucked to read. But come on, you aren't just a poster, you are an educator.
Fuck bigotry. It really did hurt to red some comments here about the AIDS comment from Clinton. I am really sorry about some of the things typed here.
We also need to remember every time it is brought up, Mr.Stockholm was just as brutal to the LGBQT community.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I remember the fact that neither one of the Rayguns said ANYTHING about AIDS that helped people suffering from this disease. It was an all new low for the Rayguns. I even remember when Raygun put the nail in my brother's coffin when he said that there would be no money for early research into "gay cancer."
I shall never EVER forget this as long as I live. The Rayguns of this world killed my brother, and ANYONE who tries to change the truth of this story shall NEVER have my support.
It is therefore that because of Clinton's lie about Nancy Raygun "starting a conversation" that Clinton shall NEVER have my support. She is trying to further the myth that Raygun was a great guy, and his wife was better, when the truth is the exact opposite.
No Clinton, this is a family matter for me, so vilify me if you will, I shall stand with my family, and had there actually been a conversation in the 1980s, as was alleged, and there was some moneys for early research, my brother might be alive today, and would not have died such a painful, and suffering death. It hurts me today when I hear the name Raygun. But when one lauds one of them, I just want to beat the truth into their tiny heads.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts) bravenak
(34,648 posts)And knocking it the fuck off, and an end to the whining about us discussing how fucked up they acted. A few could apologize since they were they worst or just stop doing it and chill out.
Because nobody is gonna stop bringing it up especially if we keep getting told that there was not a fucking thing wrong going on.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)I hope they are just being made by a minority of people here. Very disheartening.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)knowing they can't silence your truth any longer.
I mean seriously; I'm Joe Generic Whiteguy and that nonsense was blatant even to me. When my people notice it, it's bad. Nice to have you back, Bravenak.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Nice to be back. Yeah, it really was astounding.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)I grew up in the post-civil rights era, and live in Seattle, where black people are a small minority (especially in the northern half where I live). The subtleties of racial politics are frequently lost on me. But even I get that it's pretty damn shameful to call black people in Alabama "Confederates."
Not to mention the repeated arguments that the primary votes and delegates in the southern states shouldn't matter because they vote R in the GE (but hey, here comes Bernie with some BIG WINS! in Idaho and Utah!)
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Many of them are in denial about it now but I will never forget.
Among a few other white privilegey things people said: calling someone a 'race baiter' and even 'race nagger' for mentioning issues of race, accusing people of being corporate sellouts if they posted anything remotely critical of Sanders or some of his more obnoxious supporters, suggesting that the southern votes don't matter as much or should only count some fraction like the infamous 3/5 compromise that counted black lives 3/5 of those of white lives for the purpose of representation before the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment outlawed it, and those who continue to trivialize it by saying 'get over it' or post images of tiny violins or other such bullshit.
And of course all the hides of posts by you, 1 Strong Black Man, Empowerer, Liberal Stalwart, Chitown Kev and others who actually got hidden when honestly speaking their minds about racism here at DU. And for me the all-time winner, those who continually refute there is any racism among the left and claim that anyone called them a racist. Note to you folks: if someone says you did or said something racist, they are not 'calling you a racist' so stop claiming that.
And I even got a couple of creepy posts suggesting that I, as a white friend and ally, shouldn't post in the African-American group here. Note to those folks: I'll post wherever I feel comfortable and especially around super witty smart people, thank you very much.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But can I say I am not surprised that people tried to take you away from us? I am not surprised.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Like a bully going 'Why hang at the fun party when you could be miserable with me?' 
bravenak
(34,648 posts) Number23
(24,544 posts)poster here in the face for months on end.
A post which -- tellingly enough -- was NOT hidden, but paraphrasing and referring to that post somehow is.
And I even got a couple of creepy posts suggesting that I, as a white friend and ally, shouldn't post in the African-American group here.
Given the unending lies and "concern" about the AA group here, this should surprise me. But it doesn't. At all.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Meanwhile the most vile patronizing racist post from that stockholm syndrome dude saying he agreed with a post basically calling black people stupid was voted to stay just a few minutes ago.
Doesn't surprise me either. Still creepy as hell. Like an appeal to restrict my freedom of association. I know what that's like in real life - jealousy rearing its ugly head.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... go ahead and focus. Bernie Sanders is not stopping you. His supporters are not stopping you. DU is not stopping you.
Your candidate, in your estimation, has an insurmountable lead so you don't have to pay any attention to this primary if you don't want to.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)21st Century Poet
(254 posts)Burst out laughing when I saw that. You really hold a grudge, don't you?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)A little smartassedness on my part.
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)admittedly not a hard thing to accomplish, but he is low energy!
I almost felt sorry for him when he told the crowd to "please clap." Hilarious moment.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)It's not what you said in the OP, but it's good.
rock
(13,218 posts)Thanks! 
bravenak
(34,648 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Mark as unreadDelete this messageBlock this sender
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On Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:00 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
I see we all are suffering from some horrible amnesia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511519949
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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sweeping, divisive attack on Bernie and his supporters - disruptive, says she wants to move on, while broad brush smearing over half this forum
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)We came back at the same time. Stronger.
revmclaren
(2,520 posts)they know that Skinner IS watching and changes are coming. Many BS supporters have already posted too much S%$t to stay after Clinton gets the nomination. They have berned thier bridges. So They are all ready to fall on their proverbial swords and go to that 'other forum' and hang with NoWay Manny, NYSkippy, The Lord Of The Flies, and all the other Bernie Bros long gone and soon to leave us. Will be nice
Note to juries.... Nope, don't really need this anymore!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You just made me crack a big ass smile!!! 
revmclaren
(2,520 posts)
revmclaren
(2,520 posts)Its a wonderful day in the DU neighborhood!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is no longer being rewarded.
Cha
(297,196 posts)
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)the exact same language to a t.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts) NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Protests. Disruption. Vandalism. Riots.
I'm in. It's working.
The true revolution cannot be hijacked. Over the last month the white independent "revolution" has knocked BLM and others off the front page news. Blatant racism at Trump rallies make his sick supporters even more enthusiastic. That is the real power of what we are fighting. You and I both know it won't be tolerated as the time for increased action is here. Tactics will become even more aggressive. No one is off limits.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)First, let me preface this argument by pointing out that this entire debate over whether or not Bernie’s supporters should throw their weight behind Clinton in the general election is (intentionally) misleading, as it maintains an underlying assumption that Hillary Clinton is the inevitable Democratic nominee; an assumption that we have been force-fed for years by both the media and operatives of the Democratic Party. Despite the incredible efforts to push this narrative, millions of Americans continue to outright-reject the “inevitability” of Hillary Clinton, and have been doing so long before Bernie Sanders (who is undoubtedly an inspiring alternative to Clinton) stepped into the race. By focusing on whether or not the supporters of Bernie Sanders would be willing to vote for Hillary Clinton as a potential-nominee not only sets the stage for the media to act as if the primary race has somehow been decided, but it forces progressive figures (who otherwise wholeheartedly support Bernie Sanders in the primary) to needlessly pledge their support to Hillary Clinton for the general election, effectively shifting the narrative.
Rather than falling victim to this purposefully-deceptive framing that has been perpetuated by both the media and the Clinton campaign, voters must remember: we are not currently in a general election; we are in a primary election. Additionally, we are not currently deciding between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump; we are currently deciding between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. So, it raises the question: why would any rational political observer believe that Bernie’s supporters should simultaneously pledge their hypothetical, future-support to the candidate who they are clearly trying to prevent?
Second, it is fallacious to assume that those who are claiming “Bernie or Bust” (i.e. those who refuse to rally behind Clinton if Bernie is not the nominee) are staunch Democrats to begin with. It is even more fallacious to believe that Hillary Clinton is somehow entitled to the support of Bernie’s voters, just by her very nature of running for President as a Democrat. Bernie is posing such a significant threat to Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment because of the fact that he is able to effectively accomplish something that Hillary Clinton has proven time and time again that she cannot: expanding the base of the Democratic Party. Throughout the last few months, it has become increasingly more clear that Bernie Sanders is succeeding precisely because he is bringing in new voters to the Democratic Party’s primary elections, including (but certainly not limited to) first-time voters, Independents, moderate Republicans, Civil Libertarians, Green Party voters, and the politically disenfranchised. It is arguable that these Bernie supporters, who by many accounts do not consider themselves to be bogged down by a staunch alignment to our two-party system (a trend that is becoming increasingly-popular amongst Americans) would not have been Clinton supporters in the first place. In fact, we now know that many of Bernie’s supporters would have instead opted out of voting in their state’s primary elections, had it not been for his presence in the race, which explains the record-breaking voter-turnout in many of the primary elections won by Bernie thus far, and the devastatingly low voter-turnout in the states won by Hillary.
Third, to say that Bernie’s supporters have an obligation to vote for Hillary Clinton in a general election assumes that the two candidates are advocating for the same things, which is objectively false. While Hillary has made it clear that the objective of her potential presidency would be to maintain already-existing policies, she has also made it clear that she is unwilling to fight for significant change, in order to avoid a “contentious debate” with her Republican counterparts. Hillary Clinton, despite all of her recent efforts to emulate Bernie Sanders’ unwavering record of advocating for the people, cannot get past the fact that she is, in many ways, the poster child for the corrupt system which Bernie is arguing to reform. In recent years, the American people have caught on to the fact that it is no longer just the Republican Party that participates in a corrupt political and financial system, but that establishment, corporate-funded Democrats like Hillary Clinton and the head of the DNC, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, are in many ways just as culpable in terms of perpetuating the existing-system of political corruption.
Notice that the above argument is made without denigrating anyone on the basis of race or gender. If you're interested in reading more, go here.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)should apologize for all the lies and distortion.
edited to add: I am not saying that all Clinton supporters have been dishonest.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)who's been called a "race nagger", "house nigger", and stalked offline, give any sort of a damn about your hurt feelings.
I'll admit, that takes a special kind of moxie.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)She should apologize to Bernie for taking part in the smear campaign against him.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Keep burning the bridges.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
Fla Dem
(23,661 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)
jfern
(5,204 posts)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I can show you hundreds on twitter
jfern
(5,204 posts)But no one is running a year long campaign fucking demonizing them.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)and then there's all of the above.
Serious skidmarks on the net-streets nowadays; at DU and beyond
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This amnesia is honestly pissing me off worse than the intitial crapfest
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I should not have been, but I was surprised to see Black voters called "the Confederacy" by groups I had thought of as US. I have watched a hundred variations of "black voters just don't understand" posts with dismay. I saw #BlackLivesMatter rejected and then attacked and then used.
And there were worse things that I don't like to repeat.
And there is what I consider stalking, to silence unwanted voices.
This primary campaign has surprised and distressed me. It has left feeling dirty.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts) PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)has been hurt?
Cool, you're not at all empathetic.
Great, pat yourself on the back. You deserve it.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)May I remind you of our mission here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)If you have a problem either ignore or trash the thread...you response is providing more evidence for the OP.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts) Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Not a minute before.
Chris
BernieBro
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Bless your heart.
Me, I'm going to focus on getting my guy past the finish line before that other candidate.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am special. Thank you.
I will be getting my candidate a jet pack to fly right over your candidate across the finish line so she needs not break a sweat beating him.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Agree to disagree?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We can agree to disagree since you wanna be fun and stuff
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Because you need him. You need a real candidate to represent the values that are there to protect and benefit you, even if you don't know it.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)But please carry on at this point you've just become something to shake our heads at.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)And go on shake your heads, I am not the one who needs Bernie's help.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)of "help" Sanders is offering. But thank you for assuming you know what's good for us. 
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I am not sure what is wrong with you folks that you want to constantly divide Democrats on the basis of race time and again. It boggles my mind.
But either way, Sanders is the best for this country...so if you are American... you are part of that group, whether you like it or not.
Look, the Republicans don't have a monopoly on "voting against their own interests"... Democrats can pretty good at it too.
Clinton is voting against your own interests.
That's something you have to square with.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Omfg. This one is the gift that keeps on giving!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... to laugh
Codeine
(25,586 posts)It's like you don't even hear yourselves! Posts like that just floor me.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's absolutely stunning
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)You'll likely find their own posts doing it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's funny cause some of the main people showed up to act insulted
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)enjoy
bravenak
(34,648 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)In 10 years SCOTUS won't even matter as an issue.
I find the OP narcissistic and narrow.
Sad.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Hi11ary supporters are only about insuring that she wins the nomination. Apparently, her gaffes, her deceit, her corporate funding, her support of fracking, and her lack of interest in climate change do not matter.
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)Why did you double and triple down? Insensitive.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)A Guru, of any color, not.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I'm actually dumbfounded that you thought you had any business discussing this anymore.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And I do not believe that POC are incapable of having that discussion, do you ???
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Nope.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I guess I could have said "Are you Fucking Stupid ???"
Or... "Are you fucking nuts ???"
Both questions are a distinction, without a difference.
Truth is.. you have no better clue that anybody else.
AND... You tend to speak for ALL African Americans...
Which of course... you do not.
Loudestlib
(980 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Loudestlib
(980 posts)
brer cat
(24,562 posts)I love this OP and I love you. Huge K&R for truth!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And we survived the jury!! Yay!!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
lovemydog
(11,833 posts) bravenak
(34,648 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Gothmog
(145,195 posts)
betsuni
(25,506 posts)
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)My suspicion is not that they don't remember but that they see nothing wrong with it.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)that it's all about a fucking politician...and an obviously unprepared one, at that.
It's not as if these issues between white progressives and black people (progressive or not) didn't already exist; indeed, they existed for decades.
And Sanders seems to have been oblivious to some of these issues...maybe living in Vermont as opposed to, say, Brooklyn, enabled him to not see them...
..even with that...he knew the primary schedule and what needed to be done...but of course to many of Bernie's followers, Bernie can do no wrong.
The sad thing is I rather like Bernie Sanders. I don't think that Tad Devine has done him any favors. And I don't think that some of his supporters have done him any favors either.
Anyway, the problem here long predates the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.
William769
(55,146 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)happened.
I was on juries that using "berniebro" was alerted on and hidden.
There definitely were berniebros.. can't rewrite that history. Now if they don't want to be called that anymore then ask nicely and quit calling Hillary names.
They conveniently throw it down the rabbit hole..
How Nice you can give your thoughts now, Bravenak.. and not get censored for it.. like you did before Skinner allowed you and so many of our friends, Amnesty!
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Thank you for a fantastic post Bravnak.
Watching these people call us ignorant, uninformed, LOW INFORMATION VOTERS, stockholm syndrome victims, tell us about WELFARE a billion times, seance MLK day after day, quote Cornell West, name drop Killer Mike, say we don't understand Bernie becuse we lack internet (im on the internet now), call us master/servant class, say the south doesn't count (ya know, where a BUNCH of us live and vote), call us race baiters for discussing race, murder facebook pages and swarm black twitter, marginalize BLM and call them thugs, I FIND IT SHOCKING THAT THEY CANNOT REMEMBER ANY OF THIS STUFF HAPPENING.
I've been watching with shock and awe. It is bad enough it is coming out of the Trump rallies but we have it in our own Party. If we want to combat all the racism and all that is wrong on the Right, we have to be better than that.
Cha
(297,196 posts)murielm99
(30,738 posts)It is not a myth, as declared by someone upthread.
That denial reminds me of the way Hoover denied the existence of the Mafia, and mafia members themselves denied its existence.
I love this thread, bravenak. K&R!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)"Stop telling me how I feel"
"Let me explain to you why you don't really feel that way..."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... in both words and deeds.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)good to see hear your voice again, bravenak.
Sid
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)
obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'm a liberal, and so are most other Sanders supporters.
Donald Trump is a racist.
Study those two lines for awhile.
William769
(55,146 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)This post is a huge, steaming pile of bovine fecal matter.
I see in the penultimate paragraph you are projecting.
Perhaps when Clinton loses the election, because independents will not vote for her, you will realize, should, on the off chance, she should be nominated.
Oh, and I happen to think that Cornell West is an excellent speaker who brings up many relevant points that make people think.
So please get off your high horse. This Bernie supporter is in it for the L-O-N-G haul. I have been advocating for most of the issues that Bernie brings up for a very long time, and will continue to do so as long as they exist.
The primaries are not over, and it is well within the realm that Bernie shall win.
NO SURRENDER, NO DEFEAT!
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)people for not voting for Bernie, will either not vote or vote for Trump to get back at them.
I think many of them will want Trump to win, now.
America will deserve every bit of pain and suffering she receives if petty, childish people win out.
messiah
(1,092 posts)are low info voters. Black people support who the media tells them to support. Right wingers vote against their and so do black people.
What your saying is essentially that black people are conservative sociopathic right wingers with the blind following of Hillary Clinton.
People follow and vote for people blindly because the media tells them that other people have no chance.
Low information is the correct term for most people because most people don't look at the information.
If you think the US population is highly intelligent then you have some really major problems.
Most of the first world votes against their own values because of lies.
This seems like fake anger just to prop up Clinton.
Do you really care about anything voting for the sociopathic Clinton. You seem empty of any empathy to humanity in doing so.
You might just be a white collar sociopath.
I'm black I'll post a picture with my forum name for verification (if that matters).
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... isn't a racist but damn those who use vile words and stupid memes sure seem to orbit him no?
regads
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)throw the election instead. MLK probably told him to do it like that
It's been a rough season for sure. Almost over!
Walk away
(9,494 posts)doesn't care how his followers have treated POC, Women and every Democrat south of the Mason Dixon Line. Now they are desperately demeaning the votes of people over 50.
I predict that you will never hear a word of apology from him, his campaign or any of his followers.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)How some of the comments of his supporters and his campaign's actions are viewed by many of us in the real world.
Turin_C3PO
(13,983 posts)Hello from a white, male, Sanders supporter!
DU and white liberals in general need more racial awareness and less condescending attitudes toward minorites, especially towards Black Americans. I'm also including Hillary supporters because they (not all but many) were horrible to Black people in 2008 so color me skeptical that they've all suddenly become civil rights champions. I'll believe it if they're good behavior continue after the election (which I hope it does).
Anyway you'll really see the racial bias on this site when a thread about Kanye or Beyonce or other popular black entertainers or entertainment pops up. The venom and vitriol is terrible. They'll point to their supposed love of Jazz and Blues as evidence of non racism lol.
I have work to do also. I actively have to work on and check my paternalism towards women. I "guysplain" far too much lol and I'm trying to stop that bullshit.
Peace Bravenak!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Bravenak, agree with you wholeheartedly. Great post!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)equality than the Conservatives ever have. Do you really think that Goldman-Sachs and the Big Money that you revere want to see progress toward equality? No. They love the division that you seem to help with. Divide and conquer right? You have disparaged the middle class while revering the wealthy class. It has been the middle class that has always worked for social justice. The Rich and Super Rich like see millions locked up in prison. In fact BLM said the following:
The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”
“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”
Clinton wants to amass as many millions and millions for her own wealth.
But not to worry, the Left will continue to work for racial equality in spite of your efforts to alienate us.
hay rick
(7,611 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Of having Stockholm Syndrome?
I can provide a link if that is necessary
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)would that be racist? I think it's racist to use racism as a tool to bludgeon and bully others. WillyT is not a racist. He was purged because your side can't stand up for yourselves you must act in mobs and hide behind bullies. I stand up for the 99% while you grovel before the rich and powerful.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Not only did our side stand up for ourselves but a number of people on YOUR side condemned his racism.
So if that is the way you feel, then get the "bullies (as you call them) of your own house in order, if needed.
of all the unmitigated gall...
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)has been poorly-run. He has struggled to become a multi-issue candidate, he struggles to expand his appeal to moderate Democrats as well as non-Whites, and he either is unaware of the online bullying from some of his supporters or he refuses to put them in check. All they have been doing is turning would-be supporters off from him and further incentivizing Hillary's supporters to remain in her camp. Bernie is well on his way to a decisive loss in the primaries.
Cha
(297,196 posts) 
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and....
Here's something that I found quite fitting....
https://myunclesmaynotapprove.wordpress.com/2016/03/18/why-i-and-i-think-a-lot-of-black-people-dont-feel-the-bern/
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I remember some of the things that were said and done. I say even though I disagreed with you and others on specific issues, terms, tactics, or meanings of things.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)I am having a really hard time sympathising with you.
1st of all. Do you stop and think about all of the things that Bernie Sanders deals with on a day to day basis? No, how about an hour by hour? HE is being called names, being accused of of false things, being ignored by the media, being undermined by the DNC, veing sabotaged by any and every big money institution that wants to take a swipe at him. Have you ever heard of David and Goliath? David had a stone. Bernie Sanders has a pebble. He HAS supporters that are suppose to SUPPORT him, not the other way around. He is our voice. We are his hands and feet and we echo his message.
I am outspoken and I always voice what I think that 
we need to do in so many areas for our country and the world in FB and other places where I can reach people in a written way. I may lose friends but I have the right to free speech and I think that this election is particularly important because we have an insane candidate who might be the Republican candidate and we have a Democrat candidate that is a once in a life candidate that is speaking for the majority of Democrats.
I don't care what people say about me or my ideals. I don't care about the labels. We (the Democrats have been living with labels like " forever" . It is par for the course. We need to take our minds off of ourselves and think about the great good.....see the big picture.
This election isn't about just you is about all of us, just like a war isn't about the soldier, it is about all of the soldiers. It is the President of the United States and the Generals that run the war.
Just remember, if Bernie wins, we all win.
coyote
(1,561 posts)You said over at Dailykos? You said you don't even like Hillary. Why are you so angry at Bernie supporters?
http://m.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60165323#comment_60165323
840high
(17,196 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,957 posts)Spot on Bravenak. But the Sanders supporters don't want to hear this. That's why they've abused the jury system to silence you. The truth hurts their little fantasy world.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Of "Thread-Stalking". Now that is a term I have never heard before.
Roflmao
Cha
(297,196 posts)
gordianot
(15,237 posts)The Clintons play in this world and play well at the Progressive line. I doubt they avoid quid pro quo acceptance of Wall Street money. Trade deals are in the works that should negate the promises of both those who claim they are conservative or progressive. The ridiculous email scandal underlies a basic flaw in how Hillary conducted Government business. For myself I fear an October surprise that will negate the progressive rhetoric of the Clintons. For now I still support Sanders Fascism is knocking at the door and could actually win by default. People have been treated badly on DU but that pales in comparison to how we will all be treated if Trump wins apparently even some Republicans have figured that out.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Your views on African-Americans and Jews. Right up there with MM's views on gays and children. One angry, the other working from bad information. Uh-huh.
You'll get over your shock.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)Obviously you have forgotten about the racist dog whistles Hillary used in 2008.